Hour 1 - Minneapolis ICE Shooting Fallout

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode Summary: “Hour 1 – Minneapolis ICE Shooting Fallout”

Date: January 26, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the fallout from the recent fatal shooting in Minneapolis during an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operation. The hosts scrutinize the event, the role of protesters, political reactions, and the broader implications for law enforcement and immigration policy. They combine real-time news reaction, political commentary, personal perspectives on firearm safety, and listener insights—anchoring the discussion in the context of ongoing national debates about immigration enforcement and policing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Minneapolis ICE Shooting: Context and Initial Reactions

• Centrality of the Incident:
  Buck opens by naming the ICE shooting in Minneapolis “the biggest story in the country by far” and underscores its relevance to Trump’s immigration enforcement efforts.
  [02:53]
  “Minneapolis has become the frontline, the battlefront when it comes to the Trump administration's immigration enforcement efforts…” — Buck Sexton

• Trump and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz’s Phone Call:
  Clay reports that Trump called Governor Walz, indicating a possible de-escalation of tensions and a willingness to coordinate.
  [04:07]
  “Seems to me that both Walz and Trump are trying to dial back the temperature a bit…” — Clay Travis

Notable Quote

[05:16]
“Certainly a different direction than Walz was heading in when he openly compared ICE enforcement operations to the Nazi Gestapo…” — Buck Sexton

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2. Walz’s “Anne Frank” Analogy and Political Rhetoric

• Criticism of Walz’s Language:
  The hosts dissect Governor Walz’s comparison of ICE actions to the Gestapo and Anne Frank, denouncing it as an inflammatory and reckless parallel.
  [06:14]
  “Comparing this or bringing up Anne Frank in this context is pretty, pretty horrific… But I think that the slander is the point.” — Buck Sexton

• Intent to Politicize:
  Buck and Clay argue that the use of such rhetoric is intended “to inflame” public opinion rather than to inform.

• Clay’s Take on Protesters’ Motives:
  Clay asserts that some protests are deliberately intended to provoke violent confrontations and create politically damaging scenarios for ICE and law enforcement.
  [07:21]
  “The intent when you are showing up in the middle of ICE operations is to provoke, is to in some way create…these violent interactions… Axios published a story that said the goal was to get people shot and try to create momentum politically against ICE itself.” — Clay Travis

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3. Detailed Breakdown of the Shooting Incident

Analysis of Events and Firearms

• Sequence of Events:

  • The suspect, a 37-year-old protester, reportedly disarmed and possibly had his firearm accidentally discharged before being shot.
  • Clay describes it as a tragic accident exacerbated by choices on both sides and heightened tensions.

• On Armed Protesters:
  Both hosts stress the risks of bringing weapons to protests, calling it a poor and reckless choice—even if legal.
  [10:39]
  “If you're going to carry a firearm into a sabotage operation, you are being a moron. It was a very stupid thing to do.” — Buck Sexton

• Firearms Mechanics and “Accidental Discharge”:

  • Buck discusses technical details, stating that accidental discharges without trigger pulls are exceedingly rare.
  • Alludes to controversies over specific firearm brands but avoids naming them.

Notable Quotes

[14:52]
“This is what I'm saying doesn't happen. Basically doesn't happen. …the gun just went off because somebody's finger got in the trigger and pulled it…” — Buck Sexton

[16:21]
“…when I looked at the evidence so far, I don't feel the same way about this one [compared to other shootings]. This really needs a full investigation because it's not obvious what happened right away…” — Clay Travis

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4. Law Enforcement Perspective & Caller Insights

• Expert Analysis Call-Ins:

  • John from Syracuse: Emphasizes “reasonable officer standard” as defined by the Supreme Court—officers must be judged by the moment, not with hindsight.
    [33:30]
    “A reasonable officer at that moment in time, not in the micro analyzation of the video after.” — Caller (John)

  • Michael from Texas (mis-labeled 'Bob')—Retired law enforcement, firearm instructor: Argues for restraint in drawing conclusions without comprehensive body cam analysis, highlights the “fog of combat,” and the need for quick decisions.

• Officer Experience with Accidental Discharge:
  Buck shares military and agency standards—accidental discharge can have dire consequences and instills high tension in those present.
  [35:47]
  “If you're in the midst of dealing with somebody and an accidental discharge happens… you're going to react as though you've been fired at.” — Buck Sexton

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5. Broader Implications & Immigration Enforcement

• Contrasting States:
  Clay observes that Florida and Texas have ten times the ICE arrests but no similar protest disruption, suggesting protests in Minneapolis were “intentional adversarial opposition and obstruction.”
  [17:38]
  “This isn’t a tragic accident. This is part of the intent of what they are attempting to do…” — Clay Travis

• Political Calculus:
  The hosts repeatedly frame the protest tactics as attempts not just to demonstrate but to obstruct, sabotage, and generate political leverage against immigration enforcement.

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6. Societal Narrative & Media Commentary

• Movie Reviews and Cultural Critique:
  Brief diversion as Buck critiques “Hamilton” and an Oscar-nominated movie ("Sinners"), tying media narratives of anti-police and racial divisions back to the episode’s central themes.

• Media & Social Media’s Role:
  Callers and hosts highlight the “armchair warriors” of social media who inflame public reaction without understanding real law enforcement pressures or procedures.
  [34:53]
  “The problem with the whole thing is social media…cops are real people, too. They have real fears. And those cops, you know, just…went through the worst moment of their life.” — Caller (John)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:53] – Show opens; framing the ICE shooting as the nation’s top story.
• [04:07] – Trump/Walz phone call summary and early interpretation.
• [05:16] – Walz’s Gestapo/Anne Frank comparison criticized.
• [07:21] – Analysis of protester motive, Axios article reference.
• [10:39] – Open carry debate, risks of armed protest, escalation.
• [14:52] – Firearms mechanics; skepticism about involuntary discharge.
• [16:21] – Comparing this with past shootings; investigation called for.
• [17:38] – Protest tactics; differences in ICE protest climates by state.
• [32:59] – First law enforcement caller on “reasonable officer standard.”
• [33:30] – Officer experience with accidental discharge, need for context.
• [35:47] – Adrenaline and decision-making under fire.
• [43:02] – Caution against premature public narrative by DHS.
• [44:09] – Second law enforcement caller on video review & investigation process.

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Memorable Quotes

• “Comparing this…to Anne Frank in this context is pretty horrific, reckless. But I think that the slander is the point….inflaming this is exactly the idea.”
  — Buck Sexton, [06:14]

• “If I were advising my own kids and they were going to protest, I would say don't take a weapon. You may have the right to have a weapon, but I think if this guy hadn't been armed on that day, I don't think he would have been shot.”
  — Clay Travis, [09:52]

• “If you're going to carry a firearm into a sabotage operation, you are being a moron. It was a very stupid thing to do.”
  — Buck Sexton, [10:39]

• “You can't prevent people from enforcing the law because you don't like the law. And that's exactly what's going on here.”
  — Buck Sexton, [11:02]

• “It's an unfortunate situation, but yeah, you're in a fog of combat. You got a nanosecond to make a decision.”
  — Caller (Michael, retired law enforcement), [44:58]

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Tone and Language

Clay and Buck maintain their signature blend of bluntness, humor, and pointed analysis, frequently veering from legal-technical discussion to cultural and media criticism. They both strongly side with law enforcement, voice skepticism of protester motives, and caution against premature public narratives. The hosts also create space for expert caller perspectives, particularly from former law enforcement.

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Summary of Takeaways

• Minneapolis is currently a flashpoint in the national debate over immigration enforcement.
• Political figures like Governor Walz are criticized for inflammatory analogies (e.g., Anne Frank).
• The specific ICE shooting should undergo a full, careful investigation, especially regarding claims about accidental firearm discharge.
• Protest tactics in Minneapolis are viewed by the hosts as deliberate efforts to provoke and challenge federal enforcement.
• Armed protest is legal but extremely risky and escalating.
• Listener calls add real-world context about law enforcement standards and the profound impacts of officer-involved shootings.
• Media and social media reactions often exacerbate tensions and misunderstandings about law enforcement realities.

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This episode is especially relevant for listeners interested in current politics, law enforcement, gun policy, and the evolving discourse on protest, policing, and immigration in America.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

The Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, also known as Clay and Buck to many of you across this great land. Biggest story in the country by far, as I'm sure many of you know. If you were tuning in online or on TV or anything over the weekend, opening a newspaper, it is another fatal shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota, involving Immigration and Customs Enforcement. We will give you the details of this. Minnesota Minneapolis has become the frontline, the battlefront when it comes to the Trump administration's immigration enforcement efforts. There is no other policy, initiative or action that is anywhere near as contentious right now and I would argue central to the success or failure of the second Trump administration here. Clay, you just told me that moments ago President Trump shared that he had called Tim Walls. Why don't you tell us what the Trump, what the Trump, what the president Also the Trump is telling everybody about that phone call.

[Clay Travis]

Just a few minutes ago, President Trump posted as follows. Governor Tim Walls called me with a request to work together with respect to Minnesota. It was a very good call and we actually seem to be on a similar wavelength. I told Governor Walls that I would have Tom Homan call him and that what we are looking for are any and all criminals that they have in their possession. The governor very respectfully understood that and I will be speaking to him in the near future. He was happy that Tom Homan was going to Minnesota, and so am I. We have had such tremendous success in Washington, D.C. memphis, Tennessee and New Orleans, Louisiana, and virtually every other place that we have touched. And even in Minnesota, crime is way down. And even in Minnesota, crime is way down. But both Governor Walz and I want to make it better. President Donald J. Trump so that Buck has come out in the last 10 or 15 minutes, seems to me that both Walls and Trump are trying to dial back the temperature a bit, I think is an easy way to read pretty transparently that statement and the phone call that they just had, well, that's.

[Buck Sexton]

Certainly a different direction than Wallace was heading in when he openly compared the ICE enforcement operations to the Nazi Gestapo hunting down Jewish men, women and children in the Netherlands, for example. Here he is talking about how we've all read Anne Frank. This is cut one. Someone's going to write an Anne Frank story about Minnesota. We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading that.

[Clay Travis]

Story of Anne Frank.

[Buck Sexton]

Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota.

[Clay Travis]

And there's one person who can end this now.

[Buck Sexton]

And I, I'll go back to it again. Please show some decency, pull these folks.

[Clay Travis]

Out, reset this situation and allow us.

[Buck Sexton]

To do the job that the Attorney General myself were elected to do, protect.

[Clay Travis]

The people of Minnesota and carry out.

[Buck Sexton]

The laws of Minnesota. He, he doesn't want to carry out the laws because he doesn't want federal law enforcement to do their job. He's still in America. Minneapolis, despite what they may think, very much falls under the jurisdiction of the United States federal government. Clay, Comparing. Comparing this or bringing up Anne Frank in this context is pretty, pretty horrific, reckless. But I think that the slander is the point. I think that inflaming this is exactly the idea.

[Clay Travis]

Look, we need to dive into the specifics on this. And I'm actually curious for people out there that have worked in law enforcement that have analyzed these videos and everything else. But yeah, the Anne Frank analogy is absurd. The third day of the Battle of Gettysburg. Analysis from Tim Walls was awful. This is not a smart man who certainly is not very able to interact, I think, in a dynamic, ever changing situation in an intelligent way. But let's go into.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, to take us through the play by play video here in the situation. Yeah, so.

[Clay Travis]

So first of all, I hate to be right, but you and I were entirely correct about this. The intent when you are showing up in the middle of ICE operations is to provoke, is to in some way create these situations, these shootings, these, these violent interactions and people out there who say, no, these are peaceful protesters. There's no intent. Back in July, Axios published a story that said the goal was to get people shot and try to create momentum politically against ICE itself. And so this individual, this 37 year old looking at the video and again, 800-282-2882. I'm not interested in casual observers, people who have been involved in shooting investigations and everything else. I watched this thing Buck. I'm sure, as you did many, many different times from a variety of different angles, this guy was armed. What appears to happen to me is when he is disarmed, it looks to me like his weapon is then discharged in some form or fashion and then there is a panic and that this individual is shot. I think it's a tragic accident. And again, I think it's a direct result of both individuals engaging in behavior. All of these protesters who are trying to antagonize and create violent situations, violent interactions, and the ICE agents who are on edge because they're constantly being accosted by all of these protesters. And so unfortunately, this is the intent, this is the goal. This isn't a full on accident. This is what they want. They want violent confrontations. And much like the Renee Good situation and now this situation, it would have never occurred if protesters hadn't been showing up trying to obstruct ICE agents from being able to do their jobs. Now, I think there should be a full investigation into the shooting to figure out whether or not it was a legally authorized shooting. I think ice, to be fair, the statement that this, this guy was a domestic terrorist or he was trying to mow down people, I. Unless they have additional evidence, and maybe they do, I haven't seen anything to suggest that that is true. I don't think it's helpful to get way out narratively in advance of things that you can't prove. If I were, and I don't know if you would sign off on this or not, Buck, but if, if I were, I said this and I've said it for a long time, if I were advising my own kids, there's a difference between a right that you have and something that aids and increases risk. If I were advising my own kids and they were going to protest, I would say don't take a weapon. You may have the right to have a weapon, but I think if this guy hadn't been armed on that day, I don't think he would have been shot. I think the idea of taking the weapon to a protest is a poor choice in my opinion, when it comes to safety. And I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal. I'm saying I think it aided in this situation, in the intensity of the response because they found the gun. And I think that led even more to them believing they were in under peril.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, Clay, I could, every time I went out to walk the dog here in my neighborhood legally now in Florida, carry my short barrel AR with suppressor on it and sling it around my shoulder, I could. It doesn't mean it's a good idea, right? I mean, you know, it's one thing if I'm going to the range or it's one thing if I'm defending myself or something, but I mean, if you're just Doing it to do it. I know there's open carry advocates out there going to get mad at me for saying this, but because people don't do it around here, there's not a lot of hunting in Miami Beach. Okay? It's not a good. Again, I'm not saying it should be illegal or legal or anything else. I'm just saying it's not a good idea. And carrying a firearm into a situation where. And this is where it really. I've been saying this, Clay. I put this on X. These are sabotage operations. These are not protests. They're not trying to convince the ICE officers or convince the American people via video of them shouting in the cold that these things that are going on are bad. They're trying to stop them from happening. They're trying to make it harder for law enforcement to do their jobs. They now, whether cops are arresting some, you know, maniac on the street who's shouting nonsense or they're engaged in ICE enforcement operations, they have a lawful right to be able to conduct their duty without a mob forming right around them, without people, you know, getting in their face and shouting at them while they're doing their job. Like, you can't prevent people from enforcing the law because you don't like the law. And that's exactly what's going on here. And so if you're going to carry a firearm into a sabotage operation, you are being a moron. It was a very stupid thing to do. And if you're engaged in any kind of illegal activity, and I would argue that obstructing law enforcement, well, I mean, it is illegal. But I'm saying, it seems to me that that was the intent here. Remember, initially people were saying, oh, yeah, like nothing. They always. There's always the initial report. It just happened to be passing through. No, he was part of this anti ICE operation. And anytime you are carrying a firearm on you, firearm on you, and you're dealing with law enforcement, Clay, there's heightened tension. I could tell you any concealed carry class worth, worth its salt. They'll tell you, you know, when you are get pulled over and you have a gun, even if it's totally legal and if you're a concealed carry permit holder or even if you don't need to have a concealed carry permit in your state, you want to be very calm and very easy and forthright with the officer about what's going on. Because the speed, the distance between I have a gun on my hip or in my, in my jacket or whatever it may be, and I'm Shooting at somebody is about a second, maybe two seconds is a pretty good, I mean that's, that's slow for like somebody who's really preparing. But the point is it's a very quick situation and cops have to worry about this stuff. Remember that, that guy that got pulled over, he had been like an Afghan interpreter in Afghanistan. There's video of this and the cops pulled him over. It went from this guy being belligerent to pulling his gun out, shooting a shooting officer. I think he killed the officer. Shooting him a number of times at point blank range in a second.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

So yeah, you're going to carry a pistol. Why does he have a pistol on him to go into this situation? What is the point to go harass law enforcement with a gun on you? I mean, you know, if I, it's just, it's so, it's so belligerent and stupid and I'm sorry, this guy is dead. He did. You know, from everything we've seen so far, he, he certainly didn't deserve to lose his life in this process, but he made some very bad decisions. Now, it is possible that law enforcement here may have messed up. It's possible. I've seen this video. Looks like there's a discharge, if there's a discharge and people are even saying maybe the pistol discharged without. And now I'm not going to get into pistol brands here.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, but you're, you're a gun guy. How common do you think the gun just discharges on its own? An ad.

[Buck Sexton]

An accidental discharge on its own from a gun that hasn't been dropped.

[Clay Travis]

It was in the guy's hand at the time that it would have discharged.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I'm saying doesn't happen. Basically doesn't happen. Now there are. Now this is a whole other thing. Please do not. I do not take, I do not have and I don't want. It's funny, usually you're worried about like defaming people. I don't want to defame a, a firearms brand here.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this is ironic after your attack, your, your vicious attack on the old men and their guns. Oh, cold 19.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I mean old men gun. That's fine. That's just the Colt knows It's that 1911 is an old man gun.

[Clay Travis]

But you know, that's fine.

[Buck Sexton]

You can like your old man gun or not. But this is about a serious safety issue that is being argued about, you know, and many of you know what I'm talking about. It's a very, very well known fire manufacturer and There are a lot of people online, a lot of people in the community, the firearms community, 2A folks who believe very strongly that that gun can go off without. And this is. There are huge arguments about this. And I do not have a. I don't own that firearm, actually don't own any firearms made by that gun company. And I don't take a position on it because I haven't done the testing myself. But that is being brought into this discussion too, because I believe. I have to check again. I believe that the firearm involved here is made by that company. But I'd have to make sure of that. Notice I'm speaking very cryptically because I don't. Clay, you watch the videos, you watch these things usually and everyone goes, oh, the gun just went off. Yeah, it just went off because somebody's finger got in the trigger and pulled it is what happened. They didn't realize it. Heat of the moment, they didn't think they did, but that's what happened.

[Clay Travis]

That, that is my concern here is that somebody, if I were sort of going back based on the evidence, I think that they found out the guy had a gun. They yelled gun. Somehow the firearm gets discharged. And then in the midst of the arrest, some of those guys panic over the discharge again because they're, they're, they're. All of their alert sensitivities are on the utmost level given what they're dealing with on a day to day basis. And unlike in the Renee Good situation where I watched it and I thought, okay, this guy immediately had peril for his life and we analyzed the shooting and I feel confident that he's not going to face real charges. I don't feel the same way about this one based on just having looked at the, at the, at the evidence so far. So we will break all this down. Some of you out there are experts, you have dealt in situations such as these. If you are an expert, we would be curious to hear what you have to say. Talk back or 800-282-288.

[Buck Sexton]

He was just to be clear, he was carrying the gun that people say has a history of this. I. So this Clay, we could take a lot. A lot of people feel very passionately on the subject, but he was carrying the gun that has this reputation.

[Clay Travis]

And as we go to break, I mean here is the big picture. I do think this is important. Texas and Florida have had 10 times the arrest from ice. None of the protest. To your point, Buck, this is intentional. This is an adversarial opposition and obstruction that is intentional. And unfortunately this isn't a tragic accident. This is part of the intent of what they are attempting to do by opposing here. And ultimately the question is how do you get 10 million illegals plus out of the country? It's not going to be a pretty process. I mean, I think that's the challenge.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

I think that if you had power, a lot of people, hundreds of millions of people in the middle of a snowstorm. I think most people were sitting around. You know, I wish you asked who the quarterback for the Patriots was in the, in the commercial break. I really wish that I had told you that Tom Brady came out of retirement and had led them to see if you would have bought. In retrospect, Drake may of course, second year quarterback, Patriot, Patriots and the Seahawks will be in the Super Bowl. But I wish that I had said on air and seen if Buck would buy along that Tom Brady had come out of retirement and will be playing in the Super Bowl. He did call the NFC championship game for Fox. But yes, Seahawks, Patriots, both pretty entertaining. The Denver game. Buck was played second half basically in a blizzard. So it was pretty fun to to watch. And our prize picks pick one. So we had a high scoring game between the Seahawks and Rams. So if you took Matthew Stafford and you took Sam Darnold to throw more than one and a half touchdowns, then you Won our prize picks pick three to one nearly payout. So there you go. I'm reading right right now. By the way, Governor Walls, his office now shifting gears, has described the talk as productive with Trump and says that Trump agreed to look into reducing the number of federal agents. We will see whether that's true or not. It seems to me, Buck, that there could be a trade here. Minnesota has evidently been holding and not releasing some of the people that the ICE is attempting to deport. It seems like maybe if Minnesota would agree, hey, we'll hand over these violent criminals, which, by the way, how is it crazy that they're not unconstitutional?

[Buck Sexton]

Jumping. Yeah, they're not jumping at the opportunity. Remember, we're not just talking about illegals. We're talking about people who came this country illegally and then preyed upon their fellow human beings here and committed crimes against them. So they should be out. They should have been out of here yesterday. They should have never been here. And yet there's still this Democrat lunacy about the open border stuff. Before we dive back into this and actually want to get to a bunch of calls, I did want to just take a moment here, Clay, because you asked me about my weekend and I forgot to watch the football. But I did watch Sinners after Kerry went to bed on Friday because I was just curious that, you know, I was at a trivia night on Thursday down here in Miami Beach. Kerry and I go to a little trivia night at a restaurant. It's very fun. We go with friends. Did we win? Yes, we've won. Have we won three of the four times we've gone? Yes, we've won three of the four times. Am I maybe something of a ringer in trivia night? I don't know. Can neither confirm nor deny. But there was one question I got wrong. The question was, Clay, the most Tony awarded musical of all time? I'm not a musical guy.

[Clay Travis]

I have. I know nothing about musicals. 2. I have two immediate guesses which I would have.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you got you. This is not nom. There are rules. You get one guess. What is your one guess?

[Clay Travis]

I would go Les Mis.

[Buck Sexton]

Not a bad guess. It's Hamilton. Oh, so right. Exactly. That's my. That's. I said wicked because I don't know anything. But. But yeah, I got nailed on that one. We needed Tim Wallace for the show tunes. Broadway help. But it is Hamilton. And I bring it up because I knew that Hamilton was garbage before I saw it just by reading about it and understanding the premise. And then I actually sat through and watched the whole thing. I watched it on YouTube. I didn't watch like in the theater, but I, you know, and it's terrible. Ok? Like, I don't care. People can say I like it. You're wrong. It's bad. It's just objectively the rap, the rapping is bad. The whole premise is absurd.

[Clay Travis]

It's.

[Buck Sexton]

It's, it's trash. But it get. We all underst. We all get it right? We all understand. It's like, oh, but this is like the ultimate of like DEI and inclusiveness of like we have a new founding that this is garbage. Sinners is like murder porn of white people. It is horrible. It is horrifying. It is.

[Clay Travis]

Did you make it through the whole thing?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah, I watched it. I mean, I was very unhappy with it. But there's like a whole scene where it's just mowing down all these white people and there's just all this stuff. It's all like the racial undertones that they put. It's like, what is this? And it's not even good. It's not. It's not. So whoever it was that call it, you were embarrassed yourself.

[Clay Travis]

It's you.

[Buck Sexton]

Once you see it, you'll see. No, it's worse than I thought. Clay and I thought it was bad. Why am I talking about this? The most Oscar nominated movie of all time. Really? More than the Godfather? More than. More than Braveheart, More than. You know, Name your favorite movie. The most Oscar nominated movie of all time.

[Clay Travis]

You know, like all of the greatest movies that have ever existed in history. It is, it is absolutely absurd.

[Buck Sexton]

All we're missing is like a cameo by St. George. Floyd. You're just like this Descend from the heavens. I mean, there's like all the. The sort of racial stuff in this. All the white people are so bad and we need to murder all these white people who are actually vampires, by the way, trying to take away the black people's being so cool. Like they're so cool and the white people are bad. It's horrible. It's a horrible movie. Absolute trash. Garbage of the first. Like I, I can't even believe that it got made honestly. And it's the most. And it's really gross. Like the whole premise is it's poorly made, poorly written, poorly acted and the whole message is really immoral and divisive and bad. And we're talking about all the stuff going on at ICE and we're about to get back into that in a second. But you know, messaging matters and narrative matters and this movie is something that people should like. It's something that should not have been put out there because it is degeneracy and it just makes our country. It just makes everything worse. That's what I'll just say. It just. It is literally one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And the fact that it has gotten more Oscar nominations and I will, I will fight anybody.

[Clay Travis]

It is terrible.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, they have one actor playing the twin brothers. Oh, that's so clever. The whole thing, it's just horrible, dude. I mean, I really, I cannot say. And I wish I could curse just so I could really express my feelings about this movie. Most Oscar nominated movie of all time. Because it's like this, you know, this, this religion of elevating the.

[Clay Travis]

The.

[Buck Sexton]

The narrative of, of white oppression and you know, they got to murder all these white people. The whole thing is crazy.

[Clay Travis]

It's horrible.

[Buck Sexton]

It's racist, it's bad. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. So I waited till Curry went to sleep. I didn't make her sit through it. It's not even a good vampire movie and I like vampire movies.

[Clay Travis]

I would like to be able to tell you that I had a good movie review. I watched of course, the NFC and the AFC championship games and then tried to watch the rip, which I actually thought started off pretty well. I was probably 15 or 20 minutes into it and then we had a power issue in the house because we're in the middle of the ice storm. So I'm gonna try to watch. It's on Netflix. It's the Matt Damon, Ben affleck movie. First 15 or 20 minutes was solid. Hopefully we'll have some full power, be able to watch it.

[Buck Sexton]

All right.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people wanting to weigh in on the videos that they have seen. And we should mention, by the way, that there is a report that just came out that a lot of the officers were wearing body cameras and that those footages are being reviewed. Which might have better idea of what happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Back on this for a second. Let's just say. Let's just say that there was a firearm discharged during this scuffle, not by an officer. If you are in a, like in a scrum of people and you know that you have somebody who's resisting arrest and being a problem and a gun does go off, your reaction to that is going to be very. Now you're going to get really into the weeds here on like what was seen, what happened, everything else. And that should happen. There should be. This is one where I'm saying yes, absolutely. Like the full investigation thing that people call for sometimes.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

When they're. When they just want to delay what's so obvious. No, this really needs a full investigation because it's not obvious what happened right away. It was obvious with Renee. Good. As soon as you saw the video, ran into a guy with a car. Can't do that. This one is not as obvious.

[Clay Travis]

John in Syracuse, New York, former law enforcement officer. What have you seen based on. Again, we're trying to analyze the videos. These are external, not officer videos, so we don't have their full perceptions, as Buck was just laying out. But what stood out to you?

[Caller]

I'm still laughing about the Tim Walls on the show tunes. But on a serious note, Graham V. Connor and Clay. I know you understand this, Bucky. I'm sure you probably do too. The reasonable officer standard was established and verified by the scotus. And what it means is a reasonable officer at that moment in time, not in the micro analyzation of the video after. And you've been at the range.

[Clay Travis]

I know.

[Caller]

Buck, have you ever been around an accidental discharge. The first thing every cop I've ever been around says, what the hell happened? Excuse me? Where did it happen? Who did that? I've been around a couple. And you don't know when a gun goes off around you exactly where it came from unless you physically witness it. Now, if they're down wrestling with him, what it's going to boil down to is how they articulate in their statements what they saw and what if they feared for their life or the lives of others. And nobody knows that until they analyze it all. So the problem with the whole thing is social media. Social media. Every armchair warrior comes off and they probably watch too many Dirty Harry movies. Cops are real people, too. They have real fears. Nobody wants to hear that. Cops are supposed to be bulletproof, but we're not. And we're human. And those cops, you know, just did. As any cop when you teach after shooting review, every cop just went through. Involved in an officer involved shooting, just went through the worst moment of their life. They know their life has changed now and their head is not right. So, you know, there's a lot of factors in there that the DOJ teaches that says, you know, you have to. You can't analyze everything after and expect that the officer knew all that too. And that's going to be the linchpin in all of it.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, that's excellent. All really excellent analysis from somebody who understands what he's Talking about. Thank you for calling in, sir. I would just say, to add to a few things there, Clay, and everything you said is spot on. The adrenaline dump. He mentioned ad, accidental discharge and the policy that I was under when I was in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you had an ad, you actually got sent, you were sent home. That's how seriously it was taken. So at the range, moving in a vehicle, if you had an ad, it was pack your bags, because obviously everyone's carrying guns. We've got a lot of people carrying guns everywhere. And it's not only you've let a round go and it could hit somebody. That's the most immediate concern. But also in the wrong situation, you know, if you're at a checkpoint or something and someone ad. Now all of a sudden we think we're under five, you know, and you can cascade the danger.

[Clay Travis]

The danger grows with. Every time a trigger goes off.

[Buck Sexton]

Because I have. I've been on a. On a. At a range a long time ago at the agency where someone had an ad. I'll tell you something, everyone is like, what the. What. You know, because no one's expecting gunfire, right? So when they. When it goes, you have that moment where you're like, is that coming in my direction? Like, you know, did I get hit? I mean, so it's. So an ad is a really serious and really, you know, jolting thing. And if you're in the midst of dealing with somebody and an accidental discharge happens like that, you're going to react as though you've been. You've been fired at. Now, what I. If that is the fact pattern that is really, truly established here, rather if that is what comes out of this. Clay, I think what you're going to have is a situation where none of the officers, when all said and done, will face any charges because none of them would have acted in a way that was criminal or wrong or anything else. This goes into more of the tragic accident category. And then you're talking about, you know, a $10 million check. Like, I could see this going in that direction. If that were to happen, or if that is in fact what the videos.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Birch Gold Group welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Let's see. I don't know if you want to dive into. Well, start here. Let's go to Bob in Georgia. We're trying to take some of your calls. 800-282-28882 as we are reacting to the shooting that took place in Minneapolis. Bob in Georgia, what you got for us?

[Caller]

Yeah, horrible and sad. Man lost his life. And this is about Kristi Noem. Not to defend her. However, her comments about the possibility of this person was going to kill a lot of ICE agents. Why do you go with a gun with lots of extra ammo? Okay, why do you go there without an ID and then a follow up to what y' all been talking about? Nobody has been talking about how, how would there be an accidental, accidental discharge. I'm not a gun owner so I'm kind of out of my depth here. But that, why was that a safety, was the safety off? And how did that safety come off?

[Buck Sexton]

So some guns don't have, some guns don't have a safety and the gun in question here has a history of, of, of accusations that if it basically it's a malfunction internally, the design that it can just go off.

[Clay Travis]

So thank you for the call by.

[Buck Sexton]

The way, which is a, which is a huge problem for a gun maker and a gun company. It's about the worst problem you can have.

[Clay Travis]

So yeah, what, what I think DHS had to be careful of and they obviously have already put stuff out is I always say I don't want story to be out without evidence to support it. So when they said that he was interested in committing acts of violence and that's why he took the gun there, so far as I know Buck, there hasn't been any evidence to support that accusation. By which I mean they haven't said hey we found all these postings, we found all this evidence, maybe it's out there, but I think you have to be very careful of getting far ahead of the evidence. My position on this is I look at this as a, as a dad and if my kids came to me and they said we're going to go protest and we're going to take a gun, I would say that's a really bad idea, horribly stupid thing to do.

[Buck Sexton]

You should not. Bob in Texas. What have you got for us? Another Bob. The two Bobs. Bob, hello? Yeah man, you're on retired law enforcement from Texas. Talk to us.

[Caller]

Yeah, this is Michael, not Bob, but I'll answer to anything.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's all right. It says Bob on the screen so you know, I can't, I can't be held accountable. Code red for producer Greg. Go ahead, Michael.

[Caller]

Yeah. I spent 21 years firearms instructor, tactical officer, shooting team investigator. And I don't like to use the word good shooting. I use the word clean or not so clean because no shooting. Good one man. It messes with cops heads just like it does everybody else's. We're human and nobody wants to go through that. But until all them body cams, every single one of them, including the woke videos that the purple haired people took, until they're all analyzed from every single direction, you're not going to be able to reconstruct that shooting legitimately. And I mean, yeah, it's an unfortunate situation, but yeah, you're in a fog of combat. You got a nanosecond to make a decision.

[Buck Sexton]

Bob Totally agree with you. That's exactly how I feel about this. I want to see all the footage and everything. Whereas in the Renee Good situation, once you had seen, you know, there's a level at which you've seen enough to know. I haven't seen enough to know. I want to see more of the footage and see this investigation play out. Clay will come back and talk more about this.

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