Hour 1 - Moron or Intent?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: "Hour 1 - Moron or Intent?"

Release Date: September 17, 2025
Main Theme:
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton examine the aftermath and media reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, focusing on the motivations of the shooter, credibility of emerging evidence (notably the suspect’s text messages), and the broader implications for political rhetoric, extremism, and public discourse in America. They scrutinize attempts by media and some on the left to reshape the narrative or minimize the political dimension of the attack, interspersed with their signature humor and skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Media Reaction and Narrative Framing

• Opening Observations

  • Buck introduces a central theme: the reaction, commentary, and investigation following Charlie Kirk’s assassination, including analysis of media and political figures' responses ([02:18–05:21]).
  • Quote: “Democrats, the left are living in a fantasy world… they allow [normie Democrats] to convince themselves, ‘Oh, Democrats aren’t really that crazy.’” — Buck Sexton [04:20]

• Role of High-Profile Democrats

  • Discussion of Barack Obama's first public comments post-assassination and how establishment Democrats act as a "psychological Trojan horse" to keep moderates aligned with the party ([04:30–05:21]).

2. The Stephen A. Smith Debate: A Model for Civil Dialogue

• Buck congratulates Clay on a public debate with ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith, highlighting the rarity and value of high-profile, respectful political disagreement ([05:21–05:59]).
  • Quote: “I wish there’d be more of this... so few places now where... we have these open forum debates and discussions.” — Buck Sexton [05:23]

3. Dissecting the Shooter’s Texts: “Moron or Intent?”

• Analysis of Released Texts

  • Hosts read and analyze texts between the shooter (Robinson) and his trans furry partner, scrutinizing whether the suspect’s admissions were genuine or calculated ([07:44–09:49]).
    • Quote: “If you truly had committed a murder... the worst thing you could do is text all of these things to anyone.” — Buck Sexton [07:44]
    • Quote: “Left the rifle behind... that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.” — Buck Sexton [09:37]
  • The hosts note the formal, unnatural tone of the messages and debate if the shooter was “making a record” to deflect suspicion from others.

• Motive and Narrative Creation

  • Clay and Buck explore alternatives: Was the shooter foolish, or was he deliberately building a narrative to protect accomplices or claim credit? ([11:57–14:04])
    • Quote: “It feels like he’s making a record... to make people think this was entirely me and nobody else was involved.” — Buck Sexton [13:20]
    • Clay points out how strange it is for a supposedly smart individual to leave such a digital trail if he was actually concerned about evidence ([14:04]).

4. Media Handling and Misrepresentation

• Pushback on Misdirection

  • Clay underscores early, disingenuous attempts by media or leftist internet voices to blame white supremacists or claim Kirk was killed for being insufficiently right-wing. The release of the texts makes such spins harder to sustain ([20:33–23:17]).
    • Quote: “There's been a concerted effort to try to make it appear… the responsible parties... were white supremacist—that Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't far right enough… These text messages are making it more difficult to argue with a straight face.” — Clay Travis [20:33]

• Comparison with Islamist Terrorism Narratives

  • The hosts repeatedly draw parallels between current media hedging (“we may never know the motive”) and how motives were obscured during high-profile jihadist attacks ([23:17–24:17]).
    • “They did this with jihadist terrorism all the time... ‘We may never know the real motive.’ Remember that?” — Buck Sexton [23:52]

5. Radicalization, Rhetoric, and Political Responsibility

• Online Extremism

  • Discussion of FBI using anti-jihadist playbooks to track left-wing extremism, with cutaway to Kash Patel summarizing emerging threats from far-left online communities—especially “nihilist violent extremists” ([25:14–27:45]).
    • Quote from Patel: “...under the counterterrorism... umbrella are nihilist violent extremists… We are producing record numbers of arrests under that umbrella organization.”
  • Hosts assert that the shooter did not act alone in ideological terms, and that such acts are the logical extension of demonizing rhetoric—especially equating conservatives with Nazis or Hitler ([27:45–30:28]).
    • Quote: “If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi... the logical extension is, I've got to kill these people.” — Buck Sexton [27:45]

• Distinguishing Ideology vs. Insanity

  • Clay and Buck detail the difference between senseless violence due to insanity and ideologically coherent violence, arguing that the killer’s beliefs—however warped—follow a certain logic, and the left’s rhetoric creates “grounds for somebody to feel justified in murdering any of those Nazis” ([30:28–32:20]).

6. Media Empathy or Spin? Notable Soundbites

• Media’s Humanization & Double Standard

  • ABC and CNN clips are critiqued for framing the shooter sympathetically (focusing on his “love” for the partner or emotional motivation) instead of his political motives.

    • ABC’s Matt Gutman: “It was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn’t expect... a very intimate portrait into this relationship...” [35:09]

  • Buck and Clay highlight the contrast to how a white supremacist shooter’s texts would be covered, questioning the empathy on display ([36:20–37:44]).

    • “Do you think... (media) would refer to a text exchange between the shooter... if he had texted his girlfriend sweet things... Would they say it was very touching? Of course not.” — Buck Sexton [36:20]

• CNN’s Montel Williams:

  • Williams downplays political motive, suggesting the shooter simply wanted to defend his significant other, not an ideology ([44:45]).
    • Buck and Clay ridicule this as “defiantly delusional,” arguing the motive is explicit and the denial is self-serving for the left.

• ABC’s Gutman Apology

  • After backlash, Gutman issues a statement acknowledging his failure to underscore the horror of the crime rather than “the jarring contrast” in the texts. Buck and Clay lampoon the non-apology ([42:49–43:42]).
    • Quote: “He did not include, ‘I am a moron and should not be able to continue to do live news reports.’” — Buck Sexton [43:34]

7. Deeper Worry: Celebration of Violence

• Societal Breakdown
  • Hosts express alarm that hundreds of thousands online appear to endorse Kirk’s assassination, drawing a line between fringe celebration of violence and a wider societal problem ([34:15–34:59]).
    • “When you are on the left and you are a killer, people lionize you... I am less troubled by one person making an awful decision than I am by the celebration of that person making the awful decision, which is the world in which we now live.” — Clay Travis [36:20]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I wish there’d be more of this... so few places now where... we have these open forum debates and discussions.”
  — Buck Sexton ([05:23]) (On Clay’s debate with Stephen A. Smith)
• “If you truly had committed a murder... the worst thing you could do is text all of these things...”
  — Buck Sexton ([07:44])
• “Left the rifle behind... that’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.”
  — Buck Sexton ([09:37])
• “It feels like he’s making a record... to make people think this was entirely me and nobody else was involved.”
  — Buck Sexton ([13:20])
• “There’s been a concerted effort to try to make it appear… that Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn’t far right enough… These text messages are making it more difficult to argue with a straight face.”
  — Clay Travis ([20:33])
• “If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi... the logical extension is, I've got to kill these people.”
  — Buck Sexton ([27:45])
• “Do you think... (media) would refer to a text exchange between the shooter... if he had texted his girlfriend sweet things... Would they say it was very touching? Of course not.”
  — Buck Sexton ([36:20])
• ABC’s Matt Gutman: “It was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn’t expect... a very intimate portrait into this relationship...” ([35:09])
• “He did not include, ‘I am a moron and should not be able to continue to do live news reports.’”
  — Buck Sexton ([43:34])

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• 02:18–05:21: Overview of episode’s focus: assassination, media response, Democratic leadership facade.
• 07:44–14:04: In-depth analysis of the shooter’s texts (“moron or intent?”), and what this means for the investigation.
• 20:33–24:17: Media narrative versus reality, efforts to misdirect responsibility.
• 25:14–27:45: Radicalization, domestic extremism, and the FBI’s new priorities (Kash Patel).
• 27:45–30:28: Left-wing rhetoric and its potential to incite violence; “calling your opponents Nazis” argument.
• 35:09–37:44: Media empathy toward the shooter; critical review of mainstream coverage.

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Summary Takeaways

• Critical of Media Spin: The hosts argue much mainstream coverage and left-wing commentary is either misrepresenting the shooter’s motives or downplaying the ideological component to blunt the political impact.
• Narrative Construction: Skepticism surrounds the plausibility and purpose of the shooter’s text messages, with strong suspicion of intentional narrative-building either to shield others or claim credit.
• Political Responsibility: The dangers of relentless dehumanization in politics are emphasized—when opponents are framed as Nazis and existential threats, violence becomes, for some, a perverse logical extension.
• Broader Societal Concerns: There’s visible alarm not only at the act itself but at the significant online and social sympathy for the killer, suggesting a corrosion of democratic norms and a celebration of violence among significant left-wing communities.
• Consistent Tone: The episode blends analysis with sarcasm and exasperation, maintaining the show’s “intelligent but irreverent” flavor throughout.

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For Further Listening

• Next episode will include: More reactions from Clay’s debate with Stephen A. Smith, additional audio clips from media coverage, and updates on the investigation as new details emerge.

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Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

It's more of a conversation.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by the way, all due credit to Stephen A. For being both respectful and, you know, well, eloquent clearly, but respectful and eloquent in the. In the exchange as well. So I wish there'd be more of this. I wish people of relatively similar standing. You know, you're a big name on the right and have a following in this show and an outkick. And Stephen A, you know, obviously has a big following at espn. You guys disagree on some stuff. You agree on some stuff. I wish this was much more common. So that's something we can talk about later. There are so few places now where. And in the aftermath of the Charlie assassination, it just feels like, where can we have these open forum debates and discussions? So we'll get into all of that. But first up here, Clay, I'm going to read this to you a little bit. And there's been some reaction to this in the. In the news media as well that we will discuss. Do not worry. We. We read it. We read it all night and then all morning. And we're aware of what has been said by some about this exchange. So this is from the shooter, Robinson to his trans furry roommate, lover. I think that's the. I think that's an accurate discuss. Transferee. Roommate, lover. I was looking for the word yesterday. I was like, paramore. Sounds like I'm, you know, writing a, you know, like a romance novel or something. So teen, furry, trans lover. And I'm sorry, Trans furry lover, whatever. You get what I'm saying? Here he is, Robinson. I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in ORYM for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle. Still, to be honest, I hope to keep this secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to involve you. You weren't the one who did it, right? The roommate says I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude. They interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of this side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Clay, your reaction to the. Let. Let's. Let's just start going through this, you know, piece by piece. What's your sense of this. This text exchange between the shooter and his lover?

[Buck Sexton]

I think a lot of times this is the case, you play moron or intent. And this guy, according to reports, was very smart. Did fantastically well, 99th percentile on the actual. Got a scholarship to college. I would think that he would know that every Text that he is going to send is going to be reviewed, admissible and used against him. So my first thought is, and this is just me being someone who's been involved in investigations before, if you truly had committed a murder like this and wanted to keep it secret, the worst thing you could do is text all of these things to anyone. You probably would at least make a phone call because you can always argue and lie about what was said in the phone call. And you'd be like, no, it didn't have anything to do with the Charlie Kirk situation. It seems very strange to me that your first thought would be to put in writing that you are responsible for this. So moron or intent is what I immediately come to.

[Clay Travis]

So the, the roommate lover says, and again, I'm reading from these texts that have come out, the FBI has released these. Why Robinson? Why did I do it? Roommate. Yeah, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Let's pause for a second here. Clay left no evidence is. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like this guy, he had prints all over the rifle. He left the rifle, left the rifle behind. You thought that the, that, that the FBI wouldn't find. I know he's this. I'm just saying he's supposed to be so smart. High, you know, high sat or act rather. He thought the FBI wouldn't find the hunting rifle that he used to kill this guy that he left at the scene. I mean, that's the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Buck Sexton]

I agree with all of that.

[Clay Travis]

So again, to your point, something weird is going on.

[Buck Sexton]

Moron or intentional text, I think is the question that you should have in your head.

[Clay Travis]

You know, is he trying to establish a text based record of. Well, this person had no idea whatsoever. No idea that I was going to do this. I want to, you know, and it's interesting because I think there's a lot of inference here that at least the shooter was driven to do this at some level by his clear, I'm not, you know, he's having a sexual relationship with it with a trans transferry person. And so it's interesting that he would have done this but not told that person.

[Buck Sexton]

Also that he would have done this, not told that person and decide to tell them in text. Again, wouldn't this be something that you would make a phone call about.

[Clay Travis]

Totally. Totally. So I. I agree with you that we're reading this through to you, to all of you, so that you can know something doesn't add up here. Okay. Here you go. I've had enough of. We talked about this yesterday. Enough of his hatred. You're going to kill somebody because you don't like his words and you think he's the hateful one. These people, they're insane. All right, roommate. How long have you been planning this? A bit over a week. I believe I can get close, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. So he was going to go back to the scene, Clay, and try to take this rifle. I wish I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I went to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back my grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it had a serial number. Obviously it does, but it would trace to me. I'm worried about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. I didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. But how will I explain losing this to my old man? I left the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The messages. There's a lot of, you know, f words in here. I'm not going to read those. Obviously, the messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulges on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm going to leave it very. Why would you do this unless you were trying to create a narrative that you wanted to create? Right, Clay? I mean, that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. I mean, I think the only reason to do this again, he's either a moron, and he believed there was no way to track text messages. And. And he believed that his lover was going to delete all these text messages and they would never be uncoverable, or he wanted there to be a record of all of these things to make it look like he was acting completely alone. So which is it? And look, sometimes people behave as morons. So I think you can make the argument, hey, he was a moron in the way that he acted in the wake of an assassination. What I come back to over and over again is if all of this was true, would you text. Seems very strange not to call someone. And I understand some of you out there who have kids and grandkids may. The reality might be they don't talk on the phone as much as you or I might have. But wouldn't you FaceTime if you were going to?

[Clay Travis]

Also, the way. Yeah, absolutely. But also the way that it's written strikes me as a little bit weird. Just that it feels very. It feels very formal. It feels like this is almost like a courtroom transcript. Do you know what I mean? Why did I do it? Well, I did it because I had, you know, there's. There's this. This isn't really how people certainly 20 somethings speak.

[Buck Sexton]

It feels like he's making a record. And I think the most likely. So you ask me, so. And I'll get your reaction on this, too. My most likely take here is he's trying to make it look like he acted entirely on his own and nobody else was involved. And that is why he has been so direct in providing all of this information to the. To the FBI. There's also the possibility that a part of him wants credit, and this was his way to ensure that he got credit. Look, there are multiple different angles you could take on exactly why he did it. To me, the most likely is to try to make people think this was entirely me and nobody else was involved.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I think that that's certainly what makes sense. What we're seeing here doesn't make much sense to me. It's very strange also that we're told this guy is so smart, but that he lacks the. The technological sophistication to understand that they would see all of this stuff and that he like the notion. If you're worried. Here's my thing. If you're worried about leaving evidence behind, why would you write a confession online? This is.

[Buck Sexton]

It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't want.

[Clay Travis]

I don't want to leave the rifle, but I did it. Is what this guy. Literally, I mean, this is what this guy is doing here. I mean, clearly. Right. That's bizarre. So you have this pretense of. I think I, you know, the shooter thinks he can get away with this heinous crime, but he's also confessing online and to your point, not even in a phone call. So there's either something funky going on here, or this kid is actually somehow a moron, even though he got good grades, which that wouldn't be the first time.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it just doesn't add up.

[Clay Travis]

It doesn't add up. It seems very intentional to create a narrative here. And I would remind everybody of what. What was Said yesterday by Cash Patel. And I was talking. You know what? Actually, Clay, can we come back to this? We need them to go online and see what's going on in these dark corners of discord and the Internet. FBI is doing that. Looks like FBI is using the jihadist counterterror playbook to go after these left wing Tran tifa terrorist types. You know what, we can. We can discuss what the name will be, but I do think that they recognize that this is necessary and there's some. We're going to find out some really chilling stuff online from what's going on here. All right. Speaking of online cyber scammers, they're out there. They're all over the place. With the rise of AI, they're finding really creative ways of tricking you. The bad guys, unfortunately, are smart. They'll use AI to construct believable emails that will trick you into clicking a link. I get. Clay, do you ever get. I get these emails.

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I've got a bunch of these.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. You can weigh in and let us know what you think about these text messages. I do think the positive of all of this coming out, although we're going to play you some audio to suggest that it still hasn't completely gotten through. A lot of people have been arguing and we told you and we think it's important for you to understand what's being said across the entirety of the political spectrum. There's been a concerted effort to try to make it appear that the responsible parties for the Charlie Kirk assassination were, believe it or not, white supremacist, that Charlie Kirk was killed because he wasn't far right enough. And those have been aggressively argued and laundered on the Internet. I do think these text messages are making it more difficult to argue with a straight face that this was anything other than what we all knew to be the case, which is this is left wing motivated violence. And I do think the FBI, the more they put out, including interviews with the parents, because you saw the dishonest talk where they had headlines saying, oh, this is a huge Trump supporting family. And they're all this guy was a Trump supporter. And they did their best to try to make it seem as if the people responsible for Charlie Kirk's murder were not. Now, I actually think the evidence that they released points to there being more of an involvement of multiple people. And this was this guy's attempt to try and drive everybody else away from recognizing that this was part of a larger conspiracy. He may well have acted alone in the shooting, but I think it's going to come out that there were lots of people aware, maybe multiple people involved in planning the overall shooting here. Because to your point, Buck, if you're going through the trouble of trying to hide the gun and if you're going through the trouble of trying to change clothes and all those things, it seems very odd that you would just admit to all of this via text message and that you would try and cloak whoever the, you know, your boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever classification we want to put this person in was not involved. And again, he's evidently not cooperating with authorities at all. That has been the report that has come out. In other words, he turned himself in, but he hasn't then sat down and answered every question and tried to explain exactly what his motivations were and where this came from. That would seem to run in direct conflict with all these texts which provide essentially a roadmap for exactly why he did what he did.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I think that the investigation into this has already given us more than enough for us to know what the motivation was for this attack. I think we knew the motivation the moment that we knew that Charlie had been shot. This, this is not a. This is not a difficult thing to figure out, but it is a game that the left plays when they don't like the storyline and who it points to. Then all of a sudden it's, we may never know. And certainly they used to do this with jihadist terrorism all the time. We may never know the real motive. Remember that? That was a big thing during the Obama years, too. We'll never know the real motive. And the guy would be someone who ran in with a suicide bomber vest on yelling allahu akbar and like, this is for isis. And they're like, we'll never know the motive. No, we know the motive and we know the motive. With Charlie Kirk and the efforts that you see in the media to pretend otherwise, it's just pure disinformation and playing into the left's delusion that they haven't created this atmosphere and that there aren't monsters that agree with their same, you know, with the same beliefs that they have.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Come back in here to play and buck. We have been discussing the investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk and where things stand right now. And Cash Patel was speaking earlier at the house Judiciary Committee. And yesterday I brought up that when I had done counterterrorism work years and years ago, they would go into these extremist chat rooms where people would, yes, they would share. This was all about Islamic terrorism, which I think you all know. They would share Koranic verses. They would say a lot of mean things about Americans and about Christians and about Jews, particularly about Jews. Now, that's not illegal. But sometimes they would then start to say, you know, maybe we should start to plan something, to put something together. And that's where the, the conversations turn to something actionable for law enforcement or at least further scrutiny. Perhaps you put an undercover in place, things like that. Right. So that I think needs to happen. And that whole apparatus of tracking ideologically based violence, terrorism, same thing, that needs to be a priority of the FBI. Because this guy, the shooter of Charlie Kirk, he did not do this in a vacuum. He had other people that shared his beliefs. He has a lot of people from very high up actually magnifying many of these beliefs. Just the fact that they use the term genocide to speak about trans people, not that anyone's killing all the trans people, but they're erasing them because they're refusing to live in their delusion. And that is considered by the left a genocide. I mean, right, you think about the way, just the tortured logic that is involved in all this. But here is Kash Patel speaking about what they're finding online already. This is cut 12, maybe most importantly, under the counterterrorism and domestic terrorism umbrella are nihilist violent extremists and those that label themselves 7, 6, 4, who wish to go online and convince children to maim and mutilate themselves and commit suicide. And we are producing record numbers of arrests under that umbrella organization. We even stopped an individual in the 764 network who wanted to conspire to kill an adolescent girl. He is now in custody. Clay, there are lunatics out there that believe in the same left wing as Cash said, nihilistic, violent extremism of the left. And this is going to be something that we have to face up to and we have to defeat this movement.

[Buck Sexton]

This is why I said, and I hate to say it, but I don't think this is going to end with Charlie Kirk. This guy believes he's a hero and he is willing to kill on behalf of as this guy is and many other people on behalf of the idea that Trump is Hitler, that we're all Nazis, that we're in a fascist dictatorship. And that's why I think the lies that are being told about this assassin on the left are so significant, they recognize that it is debilitating to their political arguments among normal people if they understand why this guy acted the way that he did. And I, I just, I don't even see this as being remotely complicated. And I know most of you agree with me. If you spend 10 years calling someone Hitler and calling someone a Nazi, and there are enough people that go down the rabbit hole here and are willing to buy into the argument that you're making, the logical extension is, I've got to kill these people. I mean, and this is, this is. Was back in the day, we used to have this as kind of a ridiculous debate. But you would say, would you kill baby Hitler? Right? And people would say, oh, it's a baby. And you'd say, oh, but it's Hitler. And you know what he's gonna do? In World War II, and this was in the pre Trump era, you would have people kind of sitting around a dinner table or you'd have a beer at the bar, and you're debating this. And these guys buy into the fact that Trump is Hitler. They buy into the fact that we're all Nazis. And frankly, they're sharing things that Charlie Kirk never said to create this cartoonish Hitler, like SS member criteria for Charlie Kirk, and it led to him getting killed. I, I, I just. The fact that there's not an acknowledgment of this. Now, saying individual people are responsible for the actions of others is more challenging, obviously. But people say, oh, well, there's violence on both sides. And what do they point to? They point to the Minnesota state legislature members who were killed. And then you saw that that guy had written a, a sort of manifesto, and it was clearly a crazy person. There was no logic behind it at all. The logic behind this guy's actions, while perverse, while awful, they actually add up. He believes words are violence. He believes Charlie Kirk was filled with hate, and he believes he is justified. This killer does to kill Charlie Kirk.

[Clay Travis]

As a result, this is also bringing it into the Islamic terrorism context. This is. They would justify the most heinous things imaginable by saying, we are under assault. They meaning the West. And by the west, they mean they call us crusaders and Jews. Right? For the US And Israel, Great Satan, Little Satan, all of that. That because of the horrible things they have done to us, anything that we do to them is justified in retribution and to prevent more of what they're doing. So the jihadist philosophy was if we Go into a marketplace and we kill, you know, 50 people in some. In some country, even if we kill mostly Muslims, those Muslims will go to heaven. This is, by the way, this is straight out of their. Straight out of their beliefs. And, you know, trust me, we had cracked the code. We knew what they were texting and on their phones and everything else. The innocent Muslims that, that they kill go to heaven. Or if they weren't jihadists themselves, then they were going to hell anyway, and they're evil, so it doesn't matter. So the point is. And then if they killed some other people, right, you know, some Americans or then that's like bonus to them, they had an entirely coherent. In the sense that it followed, and it was an ideology that was widespread, that even had nation state support at that time, depending on which countries you're talking about. It wasn't just someone who was hearing crazy voices that said, go kill somebody. Like that happens too. That is a different thing, right? Having a coherent belief system that drives you to violence, especially one that's being amplified from the very top of the Democrat Party in this country. If you're calling your opponents Nazis without basis, which is what they've been doing for over a decade, you are creating the grounds for somebody to feel justified in murdering any of those Nazis. That is what they have done. And they've created a monster. I mean, this is Dr. Frankenstein's monster. This is straight up what they have done.

[Buck Sexton]

I think this is scarier than somebody being crazy. Two points. One, somebody who is crazy. There's always, and unfortunately going to be a lot of crazy people. And they behave in ways that are completely illogical. For instance, someone who is in the midst of schizophrenia might attack and kill someone because they believe that there's some sort of evil spirit involved in another body or something like that. And you see it and you say, okay, that is someone in the grips of extreme mental.

[Clay Travis]

What's the. What's the frequency, Kenneth? What's that story? Who's that? You know, I'm talking about the R.E.M.

[Buck Sexton]

Song.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, no. There was a. There was a guy who, Who. Didn't he push somebody or something, you know, or he was hearing voices? Was it Dan. Yes, it was. It was Dan Rather, right? Yeah, Dan Rather was. I'm sorry, I'm trying to remember the stories. I'm talking to. Dan Rather was assaulted by a guy who is screaming. What's the frequency, Kenneth?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that.

[Clay Travis]

That's. That's neither right nor left. That's a lunatic. Right? Truly, that is a Lunatic.

[Buck Sexton]

There are lots of people.

[Clay Travis]

There's. There's no New York Times article saying if we don't find out the frequency from Kenneth. Yeah. You know, all hell is going to break loose.

[Buck Sexton]

No. Yeah. So crazy people.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you, producer Mike, by the way. Everyone's looking at me like I was crazy. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Crazy people behave in irrational fashions and trying to make sense of what they do is impossible. And attributing their decision making to any individuals is difficult to do. This guy responded in a coherent and rational way to the argument of Hitler and Nazis. Second part, Buck. And this is the scarier part to me, he's being celebrated. And we'll play some audio for you where they're trying to deny that this is happening. But tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people have gone on their Facebook Pages, Twitter pages, LinkedIn profiles, wherever you are, TikTok on social media, and they have endorsed and celebrated the killing of Charlie Kirk.

[Clay Travis]

That reminds me, Clay, we talked about the text exchange, which we read, and it feels just the language, the whole thing feels stilted and weird. And also, I'm not saying this guy was obviously some kind of a criminal mastermind. He had no record before. But I just can't imagine someone is so dumb that they think they've left no evidence and then they're confessing online like I don't know what world. And also he thinks he's not going to be seen on video. He's caught on video many times, you know. Anyway, the text exchange is very strange to us for those reasons. ABC has a reporter named Matt Gutman. And I'm just going to let you all hear what this guy is, how this guy is describing the text exchange between the evil assassin and his transferry boyfriend, girlfriend situation. Ok, play it. We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it. But also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and as Pierre said, riveting press conference. Clay, do you think for one second any employee of abc, NBC, cbs, cnn, any of those news outlets would refer to a text exchange between the shooter of the, of the black church, you know, the mass shooter in that black church in South Carolina, if he had texted his girlfriend sweet things in one of the exchanges where he was, do you think that they would say that there was? Of course not. Right. There's a, there's a, as they shouldn't, there's a bizarre sympathy here on display from abc.

[Buck Sexton]

Not only abc. I think we're going to play a clip from CNN last night where they're, they're trying to now turn this killer into a victim and say, oh, he was motivated by his deep love of his trans partner and he felt rejected by his family and Trump supporters. And so the only thing he could do was murder someone in cold blood. This is not someone who deserves in any way empathy or sympathy or respect. And unfortunately, when you are on the left and you are a killer, people lionize you. I mean, we didn't talk about it much, but down the street from where we are right now in New York City, there were people on the street celebrating when charges were dropped against Luigi Mangione yesterday. Now, I think dropping the charges was moronic, but again, I'm less troubled by one person making an awful decision than I am by the celebration of that person making the awful decision, which is the world in which we now live. And we'll play some of these cuts because I think it's important for you to understand what is being said about this, about this individual and the defenses that are out there for him when we come back. In fact, we'll play some of those.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton SHOW. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We should mention, by the way, the ABC employee who we played the cut for after massive criticism online decided that he was going to apologize for what he had said. And this was that when he tried. Well, I'll just read his apology. This is Matt Gutman, ABC News reporter.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, can I just say I didn't know that he had apologized. So Clay knew this and he just told me yesterday.

[Buck Sexton]

I tried to underscore the jarring contrast between the cold blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk, a man who dedicated his life to public dialogue, and the personal disturbing text read aloud by the Utah county attorney at the press conference. I deeply regret that my words did not make that clear. But let there be zero doubt, I unequivocally condemn the horrific crime and the pain it caused Charlie Kirk's family, those who were forced to witness it at uvu, and the millions of people he inspired. He did not include. I am a moron and should not be able to continue to do live news reports.

[Clay Travis]

That was the subtext.

[Buck Sexton]

But that is, I think, something that many of you may well feel in the wake of him trying to humanize.

[Clay Travis]

There are so many. There are so many people on tv. Clay and I talk about this. You guys are, first of all, many of you used to rush and now you listen to us and you're used to people who just talk and think on the fly all the time. There are a lot of People that you see doing stand ups with a microphone in their hand going on ABC News at night and if they haven't prepared what they're going to say about the news thing that they're going to talk about, it goes off the rails really fast.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I, one of the many clips that are out there that I think is important. This aired on cnn. Montel Williams. I, I don't know how Montel Williams ended up as one of the CNN talking heads.

[Clay Travis]

He was horrible on Covid, I'm going to tell you. He came after me very aggressively on Covid online and he was wrong and he should apologize because he was an.

[Buck Sexton]

At one point a moron, truly.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

At one point Montel Williams had one of the most popular shows on television. Now he's just one of eight talking heads. But he said, look, listen to them try to spin the assassin into a victim. Here, listen to cut 27. This is what you would have heard on CNN last night.

[Clay Travis]

I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this was motivated emotionally. I think this was a emotionally stunted person who literally want to say this way, just hear me, tried to defend his significant other, not trying to defend some ideology. We're not all stupid and we're not all going to fall for people saying incredibly stupid things because it makes people who should do some reflection feel like they can avoid it. Clay, remember, it was a long time ago. It was actually a very sad story. There was a guy for the Colombian national soccer team who in the World cup scored a known goal. His last name was actually Escobar.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And he was killed and someone shot him and said thanks for the goal. Right. Imagine if everyone said we don't know why he was shot. That's pretty much where we are with Charlie Kirk, one of the most prominent right wing talking heads in the country, building a right wing movement close to Donald Trump, close to his family. This is as obvious as that guy getting shot for the ungodly. A terrible story. But I just, you know, and he said why he did it. The shooter has said why he did it. We all know. So who are these people that are walking around saying the dumbest things imaginable? They are defiantly delusional.

[Buck Sexton]

And they're delusional, but also aware that if they don't try and explain away why this guy acted, it's going to hurt the left, which is why they're so aggressive in trying to come up with new ideas. All right, when we come back, we'll play a couple of more of these clips for all of you. Plus, Buck was in attendance. We did a big debate last night between me and Stephen A. Smith.

[Clay Travis]

I kept telling Clay, tag me in, I'll sweep the leg or I'll come off the top buckle. But he didn't tag me in. It's okay, he didn't need it, but.

[Buck Sexton]

It was a good time. We'll play some of those cuts and we'll dive into more of these details. Keep hanging with us here on Clay and Buck.

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