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Let's look at what we have on the docket for you all today. Why is Abigail Spanberger having trouble in Virginia? The best answer, some people are saying. The best answer you're going to hear anywhere. The most hilarious. We will get to that in a bit. That Virginia governor's race, of course, very important. More updates on Kami Mamdani in New York City and what is going on there. Marco Rubio, the secretary of State, talks about his view of blowing up these narco boats. We've got the military going kinetic on narco boats off the coast of Venezuela in international waters. And we shall discuss that. A little more attention being paid to what's getting in the middle of this whole shutdown fight, including the cost of health care, which I really hope people will start to pay more attention to too. But we're going to dive into something else here for a moment. I was watching this morning. I was. I was getting prepped and I flew. Flew back home. Had to get to the Nashville. By the way, Nashville airport is so civilized. It's such a nice airport. Great airport. Great airport. My Miami airport is trash. I love Miami. I love Florida. Miami airport. MIA port is trash. Anyway, Nashville airport, lovely, civilized. There's, you know, practically a bluegrass band. Actually, sometimes there is a bluegrass band just playing whenever you walk around there hanging out. Uh, but I was flying back this morning and I saw this story and I watched some of this press conference and I was like, oh, boy, this is like clay Travis outkick DEFCON 1. This is quite a thing, the NBA betting scandal. Let's just start this off, Clay, before you take us on a whirlwind tour of all the madness. FBI director Cash Patel announcing these arrests. These the betting scandal, the mobs involved. Oh, my. Play one. As you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones and Terry Rozier were taken into custody today. Former current NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course of years. The FBI led a coordinated takedown across 11 states to arrest over 30 individuals today responsible for. For this case, which is very much ongoing. The men and women that are standing up Here today worked tireless hours, days, months and years, and the fraud is mind boggling. It's not hundreds of dollars, it's not thousands of dollars. It's not tens of thousands of dollars. It's not even millions of dollars. We're talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery across a multi year investigation. Clay, I've got to ask you because I've already had three people ask me to ask you, as I've asked walking my dog on the street, what does Clay think about the betting scandal? Clay, take it away. All right, so this is like maybe my most epic wheelhouse. I've been on Fox News all morning and I watched and listened to the entire Cash Patel press conference. So let me break it down for you twofold. And by the way, some of you may have questions about this because I think this is going to be one of those stories that it connects everywhere because some of the details are just so crazy. So let me, let me break it down for you. Basically, the FBI announced two different indictments which were interconnected. The first one, it feels like a movie. The mafia was rigging poker games and they were using some of the details here, Buck contact lenses that could look through cards, X ray machines to know what cards were coming. There were cameras in chandeliers, and they were using what they called face cards. These are famous guys. Imagine they're almost all men to draw in the, the, the, the card players, the poker players. And one of them was Chauncey Billups. Allegedly the head coach right now was of the Portland Trailblazers, who was arrested early this morning. So this is the mafia, which we haven't heard a lot about for a long time, rigging these high end poker games. They said the amounts of lost money were in the tens of millions of dollars. One guy lost $1.8 million in one game. I bet, I bet that we have listeners right now who were in these games. I bet, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna toss it out there in that. Some of these high end poker games, you guys went and you thought, man, I just, I really had a rough night, yo. No, no, you were the fish, you were the rich guy. Probably almost all men that they brought in and they rigged these games. Okay? There is a man named Damon Jones, former coach and player in the NBA, who was charged alongside of Chauncey Billups in this case. And then there was. He was the linchpin to a second case which had to do with brazen sports corruption and insider betting scandal. Do we have just Tish? Because this really kind of sums up the NBA side. She said that Terry Rosier, an NBA basketball player right now, Buck, for your Miami Heat, who was previously playing for the Charlotte Hornets. He told everybody he was going to leave a game early, left after only nine minutes. There were $200,000 wagered on him not achieving the numbers that were prop. Betted for that particular game. Points, rebounds, assist. Um, and they said the proceeds were then delivered to his house where they counted the $200,000 in cash. Now we have that cut. 3. Listen to this, and I'll give you a take on a couple of different angles here. In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves out of games to make sure that those bets paid out. One example occurred on March 23, 2023, in Charlotte. Terry Rozier, an NBA player now with the Miami Heat, but at the time playing for the Hornets, allegedly let others close to him know that he planned to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using that information, members of the group placed more than $200,000 in wagers on his under statistics. Rozier exited the game after just nine minutes, and those bets paid out, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit. The proceeds were later delivered to his home, where the group counted their cash as the NBA season tips off. His career is already benched, not for injury, but for integrity. Yeah. What. What is your takeaway, Bob? Can I ask. I feel like the kid in the classroom. Like, I have questions. I have questions. Okay. How much money does this guy Rozier make? Because NBA salaries. I'll tell you. $26.6 million this year. So this is an epically dumb decision that is potentially going to put him behind bars and make him basically what he makes on an average NBA game. Thank you. This is, this is what I was wondering about. Cause to me, okay, so it is mind blowingly stupid. Mind blowingly stupid. Forget about the integrity and all that that's. That's baked into this. We of course know you shouldn't do this, but you're going to risk a $26 million salary for 200 grand is like $24,000 per game right now, Buck. So he risked basically one half of a game salary, one half of one game salary for to lose all of it. Astonishing. Astonishing. It's. I don't even know what to say. I. That's one of the dumbest criminal capers I've heard in a very long time. Yes. And. And look, I've got so many takes on this. I mean, I'll hold it up for people watching on video. I mean, I was watching this press conference live and my jaw just kept dropping. The detail of the ways that they would rig these poker games. I mean if you put it in a movie, a lot of us would say there's no way that could actually be true. And listen to it. I think we have cut four. This is U.S. attorney Joseph Nacella might be mispronouncing his game, describing the way that they would cheat in these poker games. They used off the shelf shuffling machines that had been secretly altered in order to read the cards in the deck, predict which player at the table had the best poker hand and relay that information to an off site operator. Defendants used other cheating technologies such as poker chip tray Analyz, which is a poker chip tray that secretly reads cards using a hidden camera, special contact lenses or eyeglasses that could read premarked cards and an X ray table that could read cards face down on the table. Buck. I mean this is, this is crazy stuff. And so I believe what happened, this is my theory in general based on watching this press conference is they became aware the mafia was involved in rigging these games. And then based upon the surveillance of the people who were involved in these games, they were then able to find out that this NBA rigging of individual bets may also have been going through the linchpin connector here, which was Damon Jones, who is accused on both sides of this, these charges. Remember when they were bringing that preposterous RICO case against Trump in Atlanta and you and I were talking about how it was absurd and RICO is really something that you think of for cross state mafia illicit fraudulent activities. This to me looks like a big RICO case, right? I mean if you're talking about the mob. 11 states fixing games in 11 different states. Massive fraud, millions and millions of dollars. Uh, and I, I know they've had dozen, they've had dozens of people already indicted. Is that right? The I over 30 is the number of people that were indicted. One current player, one current coach, one former coach and player connected to the NBA. So now Clay was inescapable this morning. You know, I'm making, I'm making my Crockett coffee. Clay's on the tv, I'm listening to this, to the radio. Clay's other talking about this. So I have to ask you this, I'm sure others have asked you. I haven't heard you address this one yet though. Do you think this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this kind of fixing? Or is this the worst of it? Have we already heard the worst of it or is there more? Well, some people don't like the fact that I like sports gambling. And, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion. Just like some people don't like the fact that I like bourbon. You know, I, I, I am a center when it comes to, to things like that. I love to gamble. I like to have an occasional drink. I actually think, Buck, that legalized gambling makes it more likely that we catch people for this, because the sportsbooks who were described as victims here, the sports books typically catch illegal irregular wagering patterns. Almost like stock market, SEC stuff, Right? Like if someone bets the farm the day before the big announcement comes out. That's right. That they can tell they caught an Alabama baseball coach, for instance, because he had an associate allegedly going, I think, to a Cincinnati, Ohio sportsbook and bet, try to bet a ton of money on a random college baseball game. And they just said, well, you know this, like, it's one thing if you walk in and you say, hey, I want to put five grand down on the Super Bowl. That's not an uncommon bet. They wouldn't, it wouldn't raise eyebrows. If you walk in and you say, hey, I want to put $5,000 down in a random sports book on a random college baseball game, women's field hockey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. If you suddenly walked up and you're like, hey, I'm going to put 100k on a WNBA game, they would be like, sorry, they want. In other words, they put limits in place. A lot of times you can't get down the full amount of money that you do. Therefore, you try to go around to different books. Usually it gets flagged. And that's why the line is adjusting constantly. Right. There's a market, and if tons of sharp money, they call it, comes in on one side or the other, they wonder about injuries, they wonder about things like that. I think what has happened, Buck, is the sunshine of legalized sports gambling has shown us how often, in my opinion, this has been happening over the past several decades and not necessarily gotten caught because there isn't a regulatory mechanism by which it gets caught. Look, the sportsbooks want games to be on the up and up more than anybody because they risk. If there's a rig, they're the ones who are risking the money oftentimes and being taken advantage of. We'll get into more of this. I'm sure a lot of you are going to have some takes. I'm curious what questions people have out there because this is a crazy story. Well, theoretically, sports, sports should be an area where it's actually a totally fair market because there's really no, I mean the teams are the teams, so. And no one knows what's going to happen. Opposing forces. So it's very clear fraud if somebody is affecting that clear marketplace because of individual gain, illicit profit. So I totally see this as, you know, if you have laws against insider trading, you gotta have laws against people shaving points or doing these prop bet things. And I know we do, but I'm just saying you have to enforce those laws too. Yeah, no doubt. We'll talk about this. I'm curious what questions you guys might have because this is a crazy story. They're gonna make movies about this. I mean there's gonna be Netflix documentaries, there's gonna be Netflix series. It's like Rounders, which is super popular game for, for poker players. Maybe some of y' all even feel like maybe you were in some of these high end games. We'll talk about that. 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And Here is the U.S. attorney who was making this announcement at the press conference saying look, you got to remember the sports books are actually the victims here. Play five. Did the illegal conduct cross with the legal sports betting platforms in any capacity? And if so, is that the search warrants that the police commissioner just referenced? I'm not sure I quite understand your question. You're asking if the illegal conduct, if it crossed with like the sports betting industry or the online sports betting industry in any capacity. The sports books themselves are victims in this case. They themselves did not, as far as our investigation has concluded, they did not perpetrate anything unlawful. Can I just ask like, what does he mean? Give me a little, I'm going out like 30 seconds. But how are they the victims here? I mean, I know they didn't do anything wrong, but how are they victimized in this? Because the player rigged the game and they had to pay out the winnings based on an improper effort and illegal act by the players. So they had to pay out to the betters who won the the game. So they lost all of the money. So they think it's a 10 to 1 that you're taking and really it's not. Yeah, the game was rigged. I mean, and, and that's why that, that we're able to catch this. I'll explain that a little bit more because it, it is an interesting dynamic. When you got kids under your roof, you don't play around when it comes to keeping them safe. I'm just six months into being a dad. But I understand that instinct to protect my family at all costs. Before our son was born, my wife Carrie and I, we made sure that we had self protection tools from Sabre here in our home. And now we've got even. Their pepper gel gun is a great example. 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Have you considered the example you are setting by supporting your family with sports betting money? Katie is very angry. She sent me a bunch of messages. I think that all of sports gambling, or alcohol or fatty foods for that matter, anything in moderation, I am in favor of. I like picking winners in sports and it makes to me sports more fun. Now, there is a line between legal wagering and illegal wagering. And obviously according to the FBI, these guys have crossed it. Um, and I understand there's a religious element out there. Some people probably, I don't know what percentage of this audience, a lot of you wish alcohol was illegal still. And my concern is if you go back and look and study the history of prohibition, we actually created way more crime than we prevented by keeping alcohol off the streets. And it's fascinating eras of history. Go back and study all of this. In my opinion, Buck has been going on, but it's been happening for decades without the bright light of regulation being able to be shined on it. And now we're catching people and people are saying, oh my goodness, look, there's illegality that's associated with sports. I mean, it started a hundred years ago with the White Sox. I mean, Pete Rose, when Pete Rose got caught gambling, gambling wasn't legal in this country. And so I think you're more likely to catch It. But this is what ESPN said. Stephen A. Smith, I haven't even heard this. I saw it trending. Stephen A. Smith went on and drew a connection to Donald Trump over these charges being brought. Listen, how many times for one incident after another have I said, Trump is coming, he's coming. We'll say it on national television again. Bad Bunny is performing at the super bowl and all of a sudden you hear an ice is going to be there looking to engage in mass deportations. The super bowl disrupting things. Big night for the NBA when Beyona put on a show that has now been smeared because we're talking about this story. But I've been saying he's coming. He's coming because in his eyes, folks tried to throw him in jail. In his eyes, he's innocent. They try to put me behind bars. I'm getting everybody. He's not playing. And so this, in a lot of people's eyes, talk to people in the NBA, talk to people in the NFL, talk to people in the world of sports. They think this is like the tip of the iceberg. These are the kind of words that are coming out of people mouth. It's not a surprise. It's very disheartening. It's very concerning. We don't know where this is going to go, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. Everybody's going to brace themselves. Okay, Mr. Stephen A. Has veered into my lane now because he is invoking Trump's name and politics into this. Clay, is he suggesting that there wasn't fraudulent illegal gambling? Remember, there are actual victims here, right? There are people who thought that they were betting on a fair contest who lost money because the contest was fixed. This is not. Okay. That is. That is fraud. Right? And fraud, it's very. Fraud goes right to the. Our society. If we don't have contracts that can be enforced and if we don't have a system that we can count on, whether it's for stocks or for things like this or, you know, for. Or business activities of any kind, things get very ugly very quickly. Is he suggesting that this is somehow a Trump reprisal thing, though? I'm. This is a. This is a bad. That's a bad. That's a real. Stephen A. It's a very, very bad take. I mean, this is a foolish and silly take. Not, not good. If he thinks he's gonna run for president, this is the kind of thing. I'm sure he's a great sports analyst, Clay. Not a great political analyst. This is not about Trump. Okay, so this is a multi year investigation. First of all, if you listen, you know, a lot of the people that were. But also they either did it or they didn't do it. Correct. So this is Right. Like how does Trump didn't make them do this. I don't think Trump was involved. I don't think this case is significant enough for Trump to have been involved in it in any way. And, but, but I do think that this is a sign of Trump's power that anything happens and people immediately point to him and say, hey, this was, this had Trump's fingerprints all over it. Look, this is a, what I think is potentially the tip of the iceberg is, I will just tell you, I'll tell you right off the top. I've been invited to super high end poker games because people know I have money and they probably know also that I'm not very good at poker and that makes me the fish in this scenario. And you like to gamble. And I like to gamble. I've never gone. I played poker stars, you know, or whatever it's called Poker After Dark. I did a celebrity poker with Mr. Beast and Ted Cruz and that's out there. And I enjoy occasionally playing poker, but I don't want to play against card sharks who are infinitely smarter than me. Where I think at poker, where I think this is interesting, Buck, is if you can lose $1.8 million playing poker in one night, as is alleged in this indictment, some of the guys that were victimized here are super famous, I think, and likely very, very rich. And these kind of games are happening all over the country with really rich guys. Primarily some women play poker, but mostly it's a male sport with really rich guys. And I think some people listening to us right now who have played in these games, your eyebrows are going up because you're saying, wait a minute, they used, according to this indictment, Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones, who, if you're a sports fan, you would certainly know Chauncey Billups may well know Damon Jones to try to draw in famous guys. I, they said this was 11 states. The mafia may well be rigging a lot of private poker games out there that have a lot of money at stake. And then this is what I'm asking you, is this, is this the beginning of that? I think, I think very real, possibly very true. I think this could be very true. I think there are guys out there listening who are like, oh, because maybe you're paying, you know, you're playing for thousands of dollars a Night maybe some guys are in hundreds of thousands of dollars where lots of money swings hands. And I know they have these kind of games in high end poker tables. Buck. I've seen $50,000 hand face to face poker matches in inside of a casino. Like one guy's betting, they're betting $50,000 a poker hand against each other. So there are lots of these super high end that are taking place in casinos. And in theory you would be somewhat confident that they're not using x ray tables or contact lenses that, that allow you to be cheated in the poker match at a casino. But I think these, if the mafia saw this, Buck, they saw how much money was involved and they started running the math on what if we put these games on and we start taking our share and then using the mafia to collect. Because if the guys lose the money, you got a dude showing up who's different than your average poker player saying hey, where's the cash buddy? Right. Well that's where, where, where this becomes something that organized crime is going to be, you know, it views itself as having the in is one the risk of doing these things illegally. Right. A lot of people don't want to go to prison. People who are in organized crime, that's part of the, that's part of the, the, the life. And then beyond that to use muscle to collect. Right. That's the other thing. Like you can't, you know, even if, if you lose money in a whole bunch of other capacities, worst thing that happens, if someone takes you to court, maybe bankruptcy, something like that, no one's allowed to show up. No one's allowed to show up and break your kneecaps. Yes, the mob does that. That used to have debtor prisons back in the day. And we found out that that was not a great way to, to deal with debt. So. And I remember one of the guys I work with, the nypd had spent a career doing Russian organized crime. I think I've talked about this a little bit before on the show. Said first of all, a lot of Russian organized crime isn't even Russian. It's anybody from, you know, the guys could be from Turkmenistan or Albania and they'll say, you know, they'll be all, it's a Russian organized crime thing. Like the way the reporters will talk about it or if there's any touch, because the Russian thing sounds scary to people. But he used to tell me that they, they would be ultra violent back in Russia because they could totally get away with it. But in this country they wanted to run Scams. Yeah, they wanted to run. Health care frauds. They wanted to run. I knew, I knew this thing I talked about where they were doing the oil from the back of the restaurants, the fry oil. Millions of dollars because people actually pay for that stuff. And they would steal it in these organized crime, into that organized crime. They like to get into things where they're breaking the law and making a lot of money, but they're not necessarily leaving dead bodies because people, when you leave a dead body, people know. You take some guy, some super rich guy for a million dollars at a poker game, Clay, maybe he doesn't even want to pursue it, you know, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a famous person who doesn't want it to be known. Maybe a whole bunch of things can happen. Maybe he's embarrassed. Maybe wife doesn't know. Maybe kids don't know. Yeah, that's why I think this is potentially the tip of the iceberg. Also, they arrested over 30 people. How many of those guys might roll over and give up larger issues that are in play. Right. If you're suddenly Terry Rozier and you are looking at years in prison and giving up your golden seat there at the NBA or Chauncey Billups, do you know other guys that maybe have engaged in behavior like this? I mean, again, how many other poker matches like this? Let me just toss this out there. The Mafia doesn't invent an X ray, table, card table, and only use it one place, right? I mean, if you got contact lenses that allow you to look and see cards, if you've got cameras and every. They weren't just doing this in New York City. They found out, hey, this is what I mean, this could be a lot bigger. And I also, Clay, think there's a lot more they're going to find of people in the sports world who are, who are cheating too. I just think there's too much. There's too much money. There's too much opportunity. There's a lot of morons. There's a lot of morons. Again, risking your $26 million contract for 200 grand and prop payouts. That seems. And only doing it once, that seems highly unlikely to me. And. And again, this is where the bright light shines. You don't think people were fixing other games though? No, no, I do. I'm saying it feels highly unlikely to me that you just did this exactly right. Yeah. Pulled over for speeding. What are the odds that that's the only time you've sped in a month? I mean, you most People don't get caught when you're Clay Travis. You could probably clock, you could probably clock the last time you got pulled over for speeding because you only go to the airport at a hundred miles an hour in your suv. I got, I got pulled over in North Florida. Nice gentleman. Tiny little, tiny little town driving back from the Miami FSU game. And some of us play kids like to drive to speed limit as much as we may get made fun of for it. I need, I need my own driver so I can just sit in the back, not have to pay attention to the, the speed limit. Just work away in the back seat. We'll take some of your calls. 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So we're going to focus in on, on some of the politics here going on today. But you had Cash Patel, FBI director with this big press conference, all these arrests. Even I, this is Clay, even I know who Chauncey Billups is. So, you know, Yeah, I mean, 17 year NBA veteran, NBA hall of Famer, I mean current coach of the Portland Trailblazers. He is a super famous NBA star. Yeah. So it's definitely, definitely a big deal. Let's take some calls here. Jim in Cincinnati. What's going on, Jim? Hey, Clay and Buck, Pleasure to finally talk to you guys. I'm, I retired from sports officiating about 12 years ago in 2014. And sports gambling was always part of our yearly training. How to avoid it, how to spot it, you know, things like that, that, you know, we were trying to always be on the up and up. And I said when the sports gambling became legalized, it was going to hurt the bookie and it was to hurt the mob. And because they were behind all of that action that was going on for the last 75 years. Yeah. And I have a feeling that, you know, these players that got caught up in this racket probably got into trouble with these mob bosses or some of these guys and owed them for him to win $200,000, which is peanuts. He probably owed them a favor and said, look, okay, I'm going to play these nine minutes and I'm going to be under, under, under. He bet on it because he told his, his, his group of guys, look, I'm going to bet on this. But the mob, and this is where Cash Patel is saying there's tens of millions of dollars. The mob guys were saying, okay, we're going to get even and we're going to get our payday. And yeah, we're all betting heavy. Yeah, this is, this is a great, this is a great call. And thank you for calling in this is why they flag irregular bet patterns. So to, was it Jim, to the caller's point that we just had there, Pete Rose and a lot of you out there were making illegal wagers with your bookies in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, even when technically sports gambling was illegal everywhere, basically, except for Las Vegas. State of Nevada was grandfathered in, which was always strange in and of itself. You could get on a plane and go place huge wagers in Las Vegas or in Reno, but you couldn't do it anywhere else in the country, which was why New Jersey sued over this. It's really just a cartel, let's be honest. I mean, when you just have one place that has control over an industry because it has control over the industry, it's a cartel. So they got that special cartel treatment. And, and, and so here I don't know if that is true what, what our caller alleged. It could be and that's always been the fear. But the problem is you can't get down that much wager on games that are not really big, like the Super Bowl. I was using an example. Billions of dollars are bet on the super bowl on a random Charlotte Hornets prop bet of how many points a player is going to score on any given night. It's unlikely that there's much more than a few hundred thousand dollars across all the sports books that you could even get down on that issue. They will limit you, trust me. I know. So coming up here in a few minutes, race. Let's dive into some of the big races that are just weeks away from being decided. New Jersey, New Jersey governor's race, Virginia governor's race, New York City mayor in that Virginia race. I think we might have the worst, the worst political analysis I've ever heard on msnbc. Clay. Almost as bad as Stephen A's take on Trump being behind these arrests today. It's a really good, really bad take. We'll come back to it in a minute. The NFL international games continue on NFL Network. And here our stars come out in the morning. 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