Buck Sexton (3:44)

Well, you know, Clay, there's a, some would say, fabulous book coming out next month that addresses this very phenomenon. The book is Manufacturing Delusion. How the left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you goes into mass hysteria and authoritarian and totalitarian mind control tactics that get people to do things from blow themselves up in suicide bombing, to lie down in streets to stop climate change, to. These are irrational, these are absurd, insane acts. And yet we see it time and time again for this woman, she's from Colorado, right, To show up. By the way, pre order is available. Manufacturing Delusion. Wherever fine books are sold, go get them. Go get it hooked up. Oh, you thought you were shameless, Clay. You're on book number five. This is book number one for me, buddy, and this may be one and done. So. So my shamelessness is gonna. You're gonna be like, buck. A little too much selling, buddy. A little too much selling. But no, really, please go get the. Cause they'll do more prints of it. So please go get your. Your pre orders going now. Manufacturing delusion. Clayandbuck.com, we've got a link up there too, if you want to get them nice and easy. But no, the book really does deal with this, because this has been. How do you make people so crazy? I mean, this is my fundamental question about the Democrat Party really became during COVID Clay, a near obsession of mine and yours because you also were like, hey, mask guys, we all know this is stupid, right? And no, actually they did not. Everyone did not all know that this was stupid, which was a shock to a lot of people. There's something wrong and deranged about the Democrat base. And we see this playing out over and over again, whether it is a celebration of Charlie Kirk's assassination, wrong, deranged, deeply unsettling, or the desire to take your hands and super glue them to priceless works of Renaissance art because of climate change, or in this case, to try to use your car to stop immigrations and Customs enforcement officers from enforcing the law. This woman, it's sad. It's sad that she died, and I wish that she was still alive. But this woman seems to think that she gets to nullify federal immigration law and she doesn't. Nor do any of these other protesters and maniacs who run around now and threaten and harass and impede law enforcement efforts. And you'll notice not a single Democrat Clay will speak out in defense of ice. As a general matter, not a single Democrat will say, these are federal law enforcement officers in the conduct of their duties. What does that tell you about whether Democrats really respect the law?

Clay Travis (6:29)

No, look, I mean, Democrats respect the law only as it pertains to whatever happened on January 6th, which they obsessively marinate in. Otherwise, they think that police, law enforcement, ICE officials are awful human beings who are unworthy of respect. And look, I understand that people have different caliber jobs. There really needs to be an investigation into how in the world can all of these people show up at noon on a random Thursday in January and be harassing all of these ICE agents. I mean, first of all, I thought maybe I was wrong. I thought, hey, it's so cold in Minneapolis right now. People are not going to be willing to go stand out in the frigid cold and protest. You, you got this right. And I do think it was when, when all the college kids were protesting on campus. We pointed out that it didn't happen in January and February, that everybody took over Columbia's campus in New York City. It only got to happen when it was April and May and the weather starts to get pretty good. And it's not that bad to be outside and like, you can't.

Buck Sexton (7:41)

You only want to save, you only want to save democracy on campus when you can play hacky sack barefoot in the quad. That's the rule.

Clay Travis (7:48)

Totally. And I'll be honest with you. I remember back in the day when I was in Colle when the weather was perfect, it was a lot more fun to go get a beer on the patio. Right? Like you want to be outside. You want to be hanging out. I'm watching right now live on Fox News. There are hundreds if not thousands of people that are showing up and harassing these ICE agents as they are trying to do their job in the middle of the day in Minneapolis. The reason I'm asking this is somebody's paying for this, right? I, I don't buy that. This is a completely organic thing that people are just showing up and they're deciding, hey, I'm going to stand out in the cold in Minneapolis and protest ICE and harass all of these ICE agents, which, by the way, they want to have another incident of violence. This is what they really want to have happen. They're going to claim that they were horrified by what happened to the woman who was shot in Minneapolis, this moronic mom who put herself in this situation that led to her death, but really they want it to happen. They want her to be shot because it allows them to argue, oh, look at these jackbooted thug ICE agents that are coming into our communities and now killing innocent people moms. My question is, and I do think it's a good one, who's paying for this? And second, what in the world is going on that a mom, I think it's a single parent mom, so she's the only parent of her child, is deciding that she should be spending her time driving her vehicle to try to obstruct ICE agents from being able to do their jobs. What have we created when her death is something that, in many ways, let's be honest, the left is celebrating. They want it to happen. And, and where exactly is it all going to go from here? Because unfortunately, they want more violence. That is their goal. And I think that's what they're hoping is going to occur.

Buck Sexton (9:51)

I think that they're going to rally around this. Now. It's obviously a midterm election year and you're going to see a lot more of this and everything that you had heard last year from Democrats about, oh, Biden made some mistakes on the border, maybe we should have. No, no, no. Now it's going to be, Trump is racist, xenophobic, the border ICE are jackbooted thugs. I mean, you're going to hear all of this craziness in the hopes that the people listening enough of them will forget about what was said before and will not be able to figure out that there is no principle at work here for these Democrats. They can't even tell us, what exactly is the alternative to having ICE agents apprehend and deport people from the American interior? What is the alternative to this? The alternative is millions and millions of people get to stay in the country forever in violation of our laws, and as we see, go on welfare, take money from us, money from the American people, which I might add, if you don't pay, you go to prison. So you are told to pay taxes under threat of your freedom so that foreigners from the third world can come here by the millions, avail themselves to whatever benefits they can legally and illegally. And if you have a problem with that, you're a bad person. This is actually where the Democrat Party is, I might add. They there won't be anyone who comes forward to debate this issue from the Democrat side because they are not capable of winning elections if they speak for clearly and honestly about how they feel when it comes to immigration enforcement. They don't want immigration to be enforced.

Clay Travis (11:39)

All of that is true. Let me also point something else out now that I've got my handy quad box so I can see what everybody is being exposed to on a day to day basis on msnbc. Not as a huge fan like Buck Sexton is, but just so that I am here for.

Buck Sexton (11:53)

Oh, you're sneaking some looks in your quad box at Morning Joe in the morning, drinking your crocket cold coffee. Come on.

Clay Travis (11:59)

Now, they are not showing the video that clearly illustrates that this guy had contact made with him on the shooting. They, they're constantly repeating because if you watch one of the videos, it's very hard to see who his shooter is and it looks like he comes from the side and shoots because of the way the video is shot. They're not showing the one which I want to make sure that we've reinforced so that you can watch it for yourself where you see that this guy was directly in front of the car and that she made contact with him in an aggressive manner. They're not showing that video. Now I do think that there has been a little bit of oh, this was a cold blooded murder dialed back because of that video. And, and this is where I'll point out for you, Buck, I think is very true. The fact that we almost never hear about unjustified shootings now because there's way more cameras. This shooting that, that I have seen the, the angle of it that is the best again, they keep showing the not primary angle is the one that appears to come maybe off a house or off a building down the street, which clearly shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was in front of her and that he was being struck at the time that he fired that shot. So again, they want more of this. This is the reality. They are desperately hoping that ICE kills someone else because that is their, that is their undoubted goal.

Buck Sexton (13:39)

Well, they want to turn the American people against immigration enforcement because they can't make an argument about it. It has to be based on some false martyrdom narrative because the argument Clay they would have to make is Biden let 10 million people into this country, they all get to stay. And in fact, we should do that again as Democrats. The next time we have the White House, let's let another 10 million in and another 10 million because you know what? We need a lot more frauds like we see in Minneapolis from the Somali community. And by the way, that it's just the tip of the iceberg for what is happening with so many of these government programs, especially as they pertain to issues that might be politically sensitive or politically protected. So it's, you know, childcare, for example. Oh, you don't want money for childcare. You don't want local, local community money for the. Well, it's actually just going into people's bank accounts and not taking care of any kids. This is across the country, just Minnesota is particularly egregious with this. So something else that they don't want us to look at. And also how many legals are getting, but they always tell us illegals don't get welfare. That is a lie. It is always a lie. They get all kinds of benefits that they're not supposed to have access to. But we'll come back into this momentarily. Certain things happen more often in January than any other month, and one of them is committing ourselves to dieting. And some people do dry January, but cutting back on expenses after a usually a profligate Christmas period, there's my word of the day. The list goes on and on. So if you want to cut back some expenses, how about looking at your cell phone bill Using this month to save start saving $50 a month or more on that cell phone bill. All you have to do is switch your cell phone service to my carrier, PureTalk. You may save 600 to $1,000 this year alone. PureTalk saves you 50% or more off your existing cell phone bill without sacrificing any quality of Service. That's because PureTalk operates on the same cell towers in the same network as one of the bigger cell phone companies, but without all the overhead expenses. You get great 5G coverage on the nation's largest network. Your costs can be as low as $20 a month for unlimited talk, text and 3 gigs of high speed data on Pure Talk superfast nationwide 5G network. Dial pound two five zero, say Clay and Bach. Pure Talks US customer service team will help you switch in minutes again talk, text and Data for just $20 a month. Once more, dial pound250, say Clay and Buck. You'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Pure Talk, America's wireless company making America.

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Buck Sexton (16:17)

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. You got a little bit of a challenge here. Minnesota, the perhaps worst mayor in the country and among the worst governors in the country coming together and maybe the worst attorney general, although that's also steep competition. But you're certainly in the running. Minnesota, you've got a terrible mayor in your main city of Minneapolis and you've got an awful governor. A joke of a governor. And Tim walls. Here's cut 13. Play Tim Walls saying that protesting against the Trump administration is a patriotic duty. Play 13.

Tim Walls (16:50)

I want Minnesotans to hear this from me. I the desire to get out and protest and to speak up to this administration. Wrong. This is that is a patriotic duty at this point in time. But it needs to be done safely. And I think the commissioner simply just laid out some of those parameters. We can do that. This is the peaceful resistance that we need.

Buck Sexton (17:09)

Resistance to what I want to, I want everyone to keep this in mind. The policy is not that they're out there shooting people in cars just because that was a self defense incident with a law enforcement officer. Is it resist clay ice enforcing the law or is it one instance of what they claim is excessive force? Those are different things.

Clay Travis (17:32)

I think that we need to have all these people arrested. I just don't even see this as a very complicated or difficult call. We had this sort of flare up in la. Do you remember back in January, February, March. I don't remember the exact dates but Trump called in. There were we had all the anti ice protests. You remember that? They were throwing the bricks at everybody and it kind of got really intense. They listened the waymos on fire and then it vanished. I think we're going to have to do the same thing in Minneapolis now.

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Clay Travis (19:01)

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. Let's roll on this, boys and girls. Tim Walls is right now giving another update on the shooting. It will be interesting. Again, the video is so clear and we were talking about this off the air whether Jacob Frey and Tim Wall start to walk back their basic accusations that this was a murder. This is where I say all the time, hey, step back. Look at what the facts are. There is if you look at the shooting and by the way, we may have people out there who have been involved in in in litigating or been involved in shooting investigations such as these. 802A 22882 Good shoot, bad shoot is one way that is sometimes synthesized. A bad shoot charges are brought. Good shoot is you are legally justified to have taken the action. So Buck, when I look at it, the bullet goes directly through the front of the of the windshield. That is the woman who is killed is shot. And if you're out there in your ballistics or analyzing the trajectory of bullets and I know many of you are far better at this than I am, but the shot going directly through the front windshield would be indicative that he was directly in front of her at the time that he fired the gun. There then is also the video which again they are not showing on msnbc. They are not showing on cnn. But, but we shared it for you. They just retweeted it. You can go watch it. You can clearly see that he is being contacted by her car. That is the individual in the front who fires this shot. So do they, Buck, in your mind, start to dial back their oh, this is murder. The histrionics surrounding it because the evidence actually indicates that he was able to. Or are they so committed to the emotion of the response here that they do not acknowledge the reality on the ground and what the evidence shows all.

Buck Sexton (21:20)

In on the emotional agitation and inflammation that they can get in these initial hours, in the initial day or two after this. They want as many people as upset as possible because that then energizes the base and people are mobilized and they're activated and they're interested where this actually goes as an investigation in the Weeks ahead. I don't think it matters at all to the people who are currently the loudest voices about it. And as I said, it's not a minor thing. Clay, what would people be protesting? Are they protesting ICE in the city of Minneapolis, enforcing the law, or are they protesting one case of excessive force by one ICE officer? By the way, I don't agree that it was excessive force, but I'm just saying they're going to try to conflate those two things. They're going to suggest that this one incident is somehow undermining or should undermine the entire effort to enforce immigration law into the Trump administration. Why is that? That's completely irrational. Why is that the case? You know, this would be like saying if we. If we were fighting a just war against a foreign country that had invaded us and we dropped a bomb and it hit the wrong building and some civilians died, well, the whole war is now. Is now immoral. The whole war should stop. Which, by the way, Democrats do that kind of stuff all the time. But this is yet another instance where they just want its classic Alinsky. Once you get people mobilized on one issue, you get them mobilized on pollution, you can get them mobilized on political pollution. That is corruption. Right? Once you get people going out and protesting, Clay, they get used to this. They want to do more. That's all they care about. Want to give you just anti Trumpism, really, all through this is just anti Trump reflexive rage.

Clay Travis (23:20)

I partly think, Buck, that Tim Walls may use this shooting to walk back his decision not to run as governor because politically he's going to say, we need to have the state involved in this investigation. The federal government is going to cover up this shooting. The state has to be involved. And I need to run to ensure that the state of Minnesota is being respected in protecting the lives of the people here. Because we know Donald Trump won't do it. It gives him. And again, I'm not signing off on this as something that I agree with, but think about it. It gives him a pivot from all the Somali fraud. Remember, the reason why there's so much investigation going on in Minneapolis right now is because of the billions of dollars in fraud. But it pivots from. Let's talk about the Somali fraud which was destroying Tim Walls political viability to Trump is killing Minnesotans, and I've got to try to protect their lives. Now, again, I'm not 100% sure that he's going to try to make that pivot, but I'm just saying the conflict with Trump as opposed to his own responsibility and culpability for fraud. If the story is instead of that, hey, I've got to stand up to Trump, who's trying to kill Minnesotans. And that gives him an argument that he needs to continue the job. I'm just saying, if he wants to maintain political viability, I just want to.

Buck Sexton (24:59)

Point out that we are, and this is maybe preparing for when I dive into all of the New Mexico talkbacks, the clapbacks at Clay from the state of New Mexico, which does have some wonderful things about it. It is not just Gila monsters and tumbleweeds, as some elites from the coast and apparently Tennessee may think. A lot of good stuff in New Mexico, Clay. Minnesota, we're giving Minnesota a lot of rough stuff right now as a, as a state. We got a, we got a great station in Minneapolis. We got great listeners in the, in the Minneapolis St. Paul metro area. Just to point out, I pulled this up the last election. It was 1.6 million Democrats against 1.5 million Republicans. So there's a lot of sane people, obviously, listening to this show. And even beyond that.

Clay Travis (25:49)

Yes. I mean, in the state of Minnesota. Spoke to those people on our show yesterday, and I actually heard from, believe it or not, several different Minnesotans who texted me and said, you got to get Michelle Tafoya to run for the Senate in Minnesota, Clay, because there hasn't been. To your point, Buck, a Republican has not won statewide in Minnesota since, oh, six. What did Trump lose? I'm doing this off the top of my head team in New York, if you can check this. I think Trump lost Minnesota by 50,000 votes in 2016. He came super, super close to flipping the state in 16, and it got tighter in 24 than it was in 20. I think four points or so.

Buck Sexton (26:30)

I bring this up because I think the focus on Minnesota should be a moment for people to realize, certainly in that state and around the country, it is not politically a lost cause. I am in a state right now that had 250,000 more Democrats registered than Republicans in 2018, and now it's a million more Republicans than Democrats registered. Now, there was obviously Covid and DeSantis and some, some very powerful forces that, that brought about that transformation. But that's a massive transformation. The state of Minnesota, you're talking about 100,000 votes separating the presidential candidates the last time around. 100 and call it 120,000. Doing some quick math, you're looking at the numbers. That's not crazy, that Clay. That's a turnout issue. That's A GOP on the ground getting out the vote. I mean, I'm sure if you looked at how many Republicans are registered and independents, they could have got out to the polls. Minnesota, look, I think Biden, if he had stayed in, probably would have lost Minnesota.

Clay Travis (27:31)

I think the data was reflecting that he likely would have. And remember, they lost ground 20 to 24, despite the fact that they put Tim Walls on the ticket team, by the way. 16. Minnesota, 44.5, 000 votes. So 44,500 votes. I mean, it was a very tight line there between getting flipped in 16.

Buck Sexton (27:51)

And what you have in Minnesota is electorally speaking, pretty close. I mean, it's really a purple state with some radical blue policy going on. So this is where the. This is where you should have the corrective. This is not a lost cause politically like California has been, sadly. And we'll talk to Katie Zachariah about California later in the show and what's going on there. I know some people say that's not even a lost cause politically, but it's a bigger. It's a bigger lift.

Clay Travis (28:22)

Remember, Minnesota was, I believe, the only state that Reagan lost in 84. That was the only. I mean, it was 49 to 1 electoral college. So I don't think Minnesota. Again, we'll look up the team. I don't think Minnesota has voted Republican in some time, but what a lot of.

Buck Sexton (28:45)

Do you remember the. The Al Franken Senate race club?

Clay Travis (28:49)

Oh, yeah.

Buck Sexton (28:49)

It came down to at one point. I forget what, the final couple of hundreds. Yeah, hundreds. Not hundreds of thousands. Not ten, not even thousands. It was hundreds of votes for that Senate seat.

Clay Travis (29:02)

Yeah. And by the way, we should mention this, they shut down school in Minneapolis, you say Thursday and Friday. They're shut down for the rest of the week. They're not. Kids are not in school in Minneapolis right now.

Buck Sexton (29:15)

Well, that's because this is. Now this gets to exactly though, Clay, what we're talking about here, because what is one of the backbone street mobilization support networks that Democrats can count on in Minneapolis? St. Paul? Teachers unions.

Clay Travis (29:33)

And I bet some of those teachers are showing up to protest. Answering my question big time. Who in the world are these people at noon on. I mean, look, Buck, there are hundreds of people right now. Breaking news, like just every shot is out there on the streets. Hundreds. They said it was only four blocks where she was shot, relatively close or within a couple of miles of where the George Floyd thing happened. They want this to be George Floyd 2.0. That's what they are desperately hoping For.

Buck Sexton (30:06)

Clay, we have said from the very beginning, I said this right after Trump won the election. The place where they're going to mobilize. You go back and pull this. And you saw this too. We agreed on this one. The place where the Democrats are going to mobilize is as the deportations ramp up and as. Because Stephen Miller told us himself, he told us on the show, he told everybody who will listen, we're really doing this immigration enforcement thing. This is not all talk. This is not, not just us throwing some stuff around for election time. This will be what they try to rally and mobilize around. I'm going to, I'm going to say it. I mean, I think that because this is a kind of a like affluent upper middle class white woman, it doesn't have quite the, this is the truth. It's not quite the martyr that the Democrats were looking for for mobilization purposes. And again, I feel sorry for her family and she shouldn't be dead and all that is true. But she's not the archetype of the lib martyr that they need for the movement. That's one of the only reasons, Clay, I think this will fade. This will.

Clay Travis (31:08)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (31:08)

This will.

Clay Travis (31:08)

They needed it to run out of black woman. They needed it to be a black woman. Right.

Buck Sexton (31:11)

Black guy or, or an old, like an older Latino woman who was being, you know, I think that may have.

Clay Travis (31:18)

Been for them to.

Buck Sexton (31:19)

You think it has to be a black woman?

Clay Travis (31:20)

Well, maybe could be a black guy. By the way, last time a Republican won Minnesota, 1972 presidential election. So this is maybe one reason to hit on your point that they are so nervous is you've seen Democrats flip traditional red states. You haven't seen as much. Now, I know we've seen it in Pennsylvania, Ohio. You know, there have been a lot of battleground states. But to flip Minnesota would be such a shot across the bow because again, Republicans have not won Minnesota since 72 and Trump came within 44,500 votes. And even with Walls on the ticket, it was very close in 2024. I think the right candidate, I think the right candidate in 2026 could win statewide for the Republican Party in Minnesota. And I think the reason why Tim Walls dropped out is not actually anything other than the pressure that he is under is monumental over the fraud. And now they're trying to pivot and turn it into a different story. Look, I want to tell you guys, you want a different story. You want a fun story about Price Picks now available in all 50 states? You get $50. You can play in California, you can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia, you can play everywhere. You get $50 when you play. $5. And I've got a pick for you right now. Headed into the weekend. By the way, big game tonight, but do you have any idea who's playing tonight? Buck Big college football game with great.

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Scott from New Mexico (34:47)

Hey Clay, this is Scott from New Mexico. Got a bone to pick with with.

Clay Travis (34:52)

You.

Scott from New Mexico (34:54)

About New Mexico. We are the second largest producer of crude oil in the United States. We have a $65 billion sovereign wealth fund. So New Mexico leads in in at least a few areas.

Clay Travis (35:14)

Yeah, I actually, this is true. I didn't realize. I actually did my research the degree to which New Mexico is an oil and gas heavyweight. I am. I'm gonna. There's, there's other states that would make more sense, I think to remove. So this is one where I now.

Buck Sexton (35:34)

Clay is taking an L on this one. He's willing to say he's walking.

Clay Travis (35:37)

I I'm open to being hey, the evidence is not supporting the argument that you made. And like I I'm not sure now which state is the most least desirable of the states they don't deserve, in bachelor terms, the rose of the United States relationship. If we had to trade. And the news just broke, by the way, Buck, that the US Is considering a hundred thousand dollar per payment per resident payment to Greenland, which we talked about a little bit. This is what's the impetus on this. What would be the trades that would be worth making if we were going to get better assets in exchange? So we'll hit you with some of this detail again as I am speaking to you right now. News coming out that the United States is proposing to go to Greenland and say, hey, we'll give every resident $100,000 basically to become a territory of the United States instead of Denmark. We kind of suggested this might be coming. And that doesn't seem, here's a thought, though, idea at all.

Buck Sexton (36:43)

He couldn't do this while he's still president. But you know how we renamed the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America? Greenland's kind of a boring name. If we buy it, shouldn't we eventually call it Trumpland?

Scott from New Mexico (36:59)

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