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Clay Travis
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We are excited to hang out with all of you for the next three hours. Let me hit you with the guests that we have coming down the pike here in the second hour. The chairman of the FCC will be with us. And then that is Brendan Carr. There are a bunch of moving parts in the fcc. Buck probably has not been following it as closely as I have, but also the Paramount versus Netflix battle for Warner Brothers has really heated up and I love all these media stories and so maybe answer questions about that and more. At 2:30, we will be joined by the FDA commissioner, Marty McCary, and we will dive into a bunch of different discussions with him. So both of those stories are on the horizon, Both of those guests on the horizon as well. Several things that are happening as we start off the day. Hillary Clinton is testifying about Jeffrey Epstein and basically she is saying, I've never met him and I've never been on his plane. Uh, tomorrow her husband, Bill Clinton will testify. Um, and we'll see what happens there.
Buck Sexton
I just really want her to look into the cameras and go, what difference
Clay Travis
at this point does it make?
Buck Sexton
Just for old time's sake, you know what I mean? Just go full Hillary.
Clay Travis
Go full Hillary. And here is that cut that Buck just referenced. Old school producer Greg on the ball. This is a flashback to 2013.
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What difference at this point does it make?
Clay Travis
There you go.
Buck Sexton
I didn't even know that we had that on the cut sheet. That was, that was a mind meld there. Look at that.
Clay Travis
There's a story that I think should be a way bigger story. In fact, I know she doesn't do media very often, but producer Ali, can you put in a request for Susie Wiles, the chief of staff for President Trump? I'm guessing she's probably not going to want to come on the show because she doesn't do very much media at all. In fact, I've only seen her speak in public a few times. She's doing a great job. Uh, but Buck, this story is wild. There are reports that Susie Wiles, when she was Donald Trump's campaign manager in the 2024 election, was under surveillance, as was Cash Patel, who is now the director of the FBI. But that Susie Wiles own attorney was aware that their conversation was being listened to by the FBI, but she was not. Have you seen that report? I, I just, as a lawyer, the number of situ. First of all, I, I can't imagine ever agreeing while I was representing someone without my client knowing that we were being listened to. While in theory, I am providing legal advice to him or her to allow this to, to occur. This report, this story is out there. The fact that she was under FBI surveillance while being the campaign manager is crazy in and of itself. I mean, it is much more of a substantial infringement probably than anything related to Watergate. But that her attorney would have been in that situation is really kind of a crazy story. So I don't know how much attention you pay to that buck, but it's one that I think there could be more revelations from. And I would actually like to hear from Susie Wiles herself.
Buck Sexton
Well, if you think about it, it's not surprising at all that the previous administration would have done that. One thing that I was, one thing that I was mulling over during the State of the Union as Trump was verbally slapping around the Democrats here and there, was that essentially most, almost all of those politicians wanted, hoped and thought Donald Trump would be sitting in prison right now. In prison, actually, in prison. Now, we have gone past this. We have, you know, moved on, I think, quite a bit too fast from where we were in the election year. I know it's been, you know, a year and a few months, but the whole plan was to bring criminal prosecutions against Donald Trump and lock him up. Why would anyone think that they would just be bringing prosecutions against Trump and not trying to ensnare. If you're gonna lock up a former president, why not try to lock up his advisors? Why not try to lock up people around him? And we know, even like I forget, like a facilities manager at Mar A Lago at one point was included in one of the indictments. These Democrats were, were on a ruthless rampage of political retribution against Trump. The retribution just for him having been president for four years. I mean, they really were after him. And I think we've forgotten because it did get a bit, the escalation of Trump taking a bullet in the ear and then another guy hiding in the woods. And you saw exactly where that was and how close that was and that he got a rifle there and they had to shoot at this guy to stop him. It was the second would be assassin of Trump. I know we just had a guy with a shotgun. Now, Trump wasn't at Mar a Lago then. But it just goes to show you, there are still crazies out there trying to, trying to assassinate this president because Trump took a bullet in the air. We forget that it was completely normalized among Democrats to weaponize the justice system and try to lock Trump up. It wasn't just, oh, we're going to, we're going to illicitly remove him from the ballot. Another thing that they tried to do that everyone seems to have. When I say forgotten, I just mean it. It's not talked about anymore. It's not. Remember, they tried to take him off the ballot in, well, certainly in Colorado and we're early stage in this in Maine, but they actually wanted to put this guy in a prison cell. Yeah, that was the plan here. And I just think that. So when you read this stuff, Clay, I think there's even more that we don't know about that's going to come to light about the surveillance, state abuses.
Clay Travis
And there's also reports, and look, you and I told everybody that this was going on, that our good friend Fannie Willis from Atlanta was traveling to D.C. to coordinate her charges that she was bringing against President Trump. And we talked about this a lot. But I know it's easy to forget their plan, and it was foiled by, thankfully, judges who actually applied the law. But their plan was to keep President Trump in courtrooms. They started in New York City. They wanted to have him in Atlanta. They wanted to have him in Washington, D.C. they wanted to have him in South Florida. Their plan was to keep President Trump in courtrooms for the entirety of the 2024 political cycle. That was their concerted effort. They wanted him to jump from one courtroom to another. They wanted to imprison him for the rest of his life. They wanted to bankrupt him. And instead, I do think we didn't even mention this yesterday on the show. And I, and, and I think some of you sometimes, I think, buck, because of our age, we don't notice things that other people who are older than us do. Trump stood up and spoke for, for nearly two hours at 80 years old in the front of that State of the Union and showed no ill effects at all. I do think it's worth constantly reminding people of the difference between Joe Biden and President Trump just from a physical and mental capacity. I was with my parents yesterday. They are both 81, about to be 82, and they were saying, hey, you know, you should, you should point out that President Trump is 80 years old and he's doing that. And just how remarkable it is for that context. And I think for a lot of you that are in your 70s or certainly for those of you who have been fortunate enough to reach your 80s, even people who are retired and in their 60s, they may understand the energy and, and, and, and, and requirements on that that frankly you and I might not. And I do think that's pretty extraordinary.
Buck Sexton
I recently had to do Clay a, a commercial of sorts because, you know, got a lot of, got a lot of hats, a lot of things going on. Speaking of hats, number four in the New York Times bestseller list. It's not really a hat.
Clay Travis
Congratulations.
Buck Sexton
There we go.
Clay Travis
Thank you everyone for. I want there to be an investigation into Jon Meacham ending up in front
Buck Sexton
of you on the absolute, absolute nonsense total.
Clay Travis
Is this like Biden getting 81 million votes to meet you?
Buck Sexton
There's just no way. Because I know his Amazon ranking. So somehow, I mean, I know that they push his book at every. I mean we crushed him on Amazon.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
Which is where about 80 to 80 something percent of books are sold on Amazon. He wasn't even top 10 on Amazon after the first couple of days, but he's number three in the New York Times bestseller list. Really?
Clay Travis
Really.
Buck Sexton
Someone explained that to me. I know they built like shrines to him everywhere because he's a smug lib. They built shrines to him in these little bookstores with the purple haired nose rings, you know, left wing Kamala voters. But I don't think that's enough to make up for the deficit on. Unless they were doing bulk. But now there's all these games they play too. They go, oh well, there were bulk buys, by the way. I didn't have any major bulk buys because they put a little thing next to you, a little knife or something. I didn't have bulk buys. I just had people like you. Thank you. Buying the book. And I still love. My favorite thing is the review that I'm getting from people where they're saying it's actually really good and there's real research in it, which is sort of like this is a little bit like when clay bench press 225 ten times. People are like, wow, Clay actually can bench press. It was a lot of surprises. Like, why is that so surprising everybody?
Clay Travis
But it's a similar vibe. I think it is. To be, to be fair, I think a lot of people have come to recognize that most people who are famous and famous is being defined broadly here. Famous enough to write a book. Like 90% of them do not write their books, right. Oh yeah. If you go and look. And I think people are getting smart enough to recognize that. So not only did we write them, uh, we also recorded. You can get the audiobook of Manufacturing Delusion, which is entirely read by you as well.
Buck Sexton
Yes, indeed. Thank you. Oh, but going back to hats, other than the book, which is New York Times bestseller.
Clay Travis
Yay.
Buck Sexton
Go get your copy. Manufacturing Delusion, it's actually a good book. That's. I should put that on the COVID It's actually a good book. You will enjoy it because of all the surprise people are having when they read it. And there's really cool history and you'll learn some interesting things. But I did an infomercial, basically like a commercial, you know, got to pay bills.
Clay Travis
Where's this going to air?
Buck Sexton
You don't need to worry.
Clay Travis
I just want to know, am I going to look up on television and just see you doing a commercial?
Buck Sexton
I mean, quite shamwow, but it was stuff, you know, it's a very nice product. Sometimes Buckster's got a hustle. The point is I had to stand up for like over an hour. I had to change my shirt just from being standing in the lights and everything else, whatever, to so Trump being up there.
Clay Travis
Because I got.
Buck Sexton
I got so wet. They were like, they were like, you're leaking. I mean, I was just like having a rough time there. So Trump standing up and doing the speech as long as he did, I have tremendous respect for that. Because standing and talking, believe it or not, is tiring. In fact, sitting and talking for three hours, I know you're all taking out your small violins, but it is kind of tiring.
Clay Travis
Two hours standing up there for an 80 year old. I do not think very many people could have done that. And we actually now are starting to see some of the results that are coming in. And let me make sure that I get that. I get the one that I wanted to have here. Cnn, as we told you, would likely be the case if you just watched and you said, hey, you know what, I want to objectively watch this and see what I think. It was the most patriotic pro America state of the union that we have seen in a very, very long time. And Here was. Cut five, CNN admitting the President Trump surged 10 points during his address. Cut five.
Buck Sexton
Look at the growth President Trump made over the speech.
Clay Travis
So pre speech it was.
Buck Sexton
54% of speech watchers said his policies
Clay Travis
will move the US in the right direction.
Buck Sexton
After the speech, that number goes up 10 percentage points. So Donald Trump made some progress with people watching the speech from their pre speech expectations to what they saw in the speech itself. And that 64% number that's pretty much in range across all of his State of the Union addresses in his first term last year, the joint session, that's
Clay Travis
about what we've seen is roughly 2/3
Buck Sexton
have walked away from his speeches thinking he's going to move it in the right direction.
Clay Travis
Yeah, look, and I think that's a credit to Trump. Now, a lot of people who watch State of the Unions already agree with the president. You know, there's not as much hate watching necessarily. But for the persuadable middle out there, that was, I thought, a very significant result going on. By the way, if you're out there and you're thinking, okay, 2028 voting is underway. Buck. Tuesday is the Texas primary. We're going to have a lot of the Texas primary people on, but this will be, I think, the first real test. If you're listening to us in Texas, which I think is our number one state in the whole country in terms of audience. Yes, you got to get out and vote. These are big decisions that you're making, particularly on the Senate side.
Buck Sexton
I've got to tell you, I'm seeing some numbers that show you've been a little dismissive of our lady, Ms. Jasmine Crockett.
Clay Travis
She would love.
Buck Sexton
She is within striking distance.
Clay Travis
Jasmine Crockett won the Democrat nomination.
Buck Sexton
She is not, it is not the Talarico campaign. It's not a joke, man. She's within five points, which is clearly a doable situation. This is what I'm hearing. This is what I'm being told that she's, she's in striking. Now, how many of our listeners bet the farm?
Clay Travis
What do you think, Buck? How many of our listeners do you think in fact, I'll open up the phone lines. We will give you immunity. Are die hard Republicans and they're voting for Jasmine Crockett in the Texas primary.
Buck Sexton
You mean Russia's Operation Chaos continues on?
Clay Travis
Is is Operation Chaos underway right now in Texas where a lot of people look very competitive. Three great candidates, I would say, on the Republican side, Jasmine Crockett. I think this one is interesting. We'll open it up. Phone lines. You can also talk back. Are you voting for Jasmine Crockett as a Republican to help her be the nominee? Just curious if it's going to be tight. That would be fascinating.
Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Let's get the calls quick here because we have people weighing right in on the topic of the moment from a minute ago. John in Austin Texas. John, you're a diehard Republican, but who'd you just vote for in Texas?
Caller
Jasmine Crockett.
Buck Sexton
There we go.
Caller
Operation Chaos lives just about.
Clay Travis
Is this a big discussion right now in Texas among Republicans? John, do you get the sense that, that lots of people are making this choice?
Caller
No, man, I'm in Austin. There aren't any Republicans.
Clay Travis
We're going to keep the phone lines open. Phil in Houston, really quick. Phil
Caller
also am a lifelong conservative, but I'm registered as an independent in Texas. So you can take your primary here. And I voted for Jasmine Crockett. Never have voted in the Democratic primary except for one other time when I
Clay Travis
voted for Bernie Sanders because I thought
Caller
Trump had the best shot at beating him.
Buck Sexton
I love you guys. This is great.
Clay Travis
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Caller
I, I voted for Crockett mainly because I'm pretty comfortable with any of the Republican candidates for Senate. So I'm a registered independent. Texas is one of those states right on the ballot it says you are not allowed to vote, you know, in one party if you're registered with the other party. But if you're an independent, you get to choose. And I thought Jasmine would be an easier one to defeat.
Clay Travis
And let me just reiterate this. You are comfortable with, you said either Ken Paxton, John Cornyn or Wesley Hunt, who are the three contenders on the Republican primary side. So you want one of them to win. And strategically you're like Jasmine Crockett's going to lose to all three.
Buck Sexton
Yeah.
Caller
Any one of them would be better than Jasmine Crockett, in my opinion. And so that was the more important choice for me to make.
Clay Travis
Okay, thank you. James, in Texas, how have you analyzed this primary? As we sit again, a lot of people sneaking up on them. Be aware all throughout Texas. Tuesday is primary day in Texas. Tuesday, first primary that we're gonna have of 2026. How are you voting, James? What do you think,
Caller
Clay? I'm going to assume Greg, promoted to you that I'm going a little bit past the primary to the. To the main. What I'm a little bit concerned about is that either Paxton or Cornyn is going to win. And there is a lot of angst between those two groups of Republicans. What I'm a little concerned about is that no matter who wins the Democratic primary, we're going to need whoever wins the Republican primary, we're going to need that other group to come support the person they didn't vote for, or we're going to end up with a Democratic senator.
Clay Travis
Thank you for the call. Yes, that is. He's 100% right. Buck, how many callers did we have say they were so upset that Trump won the primary that they were not going to show up? People wanted to throw fits in March and April of 2024.
Buck Sexton
Oh, oh, wait. Did we get. Did we get people yelling at us from both sides, saying that we were too pro Trump or too pro DeSantis or, I don't know, just mad at us over that whole thing? Yes. And what did we say? You don't want the Communists to ruin the country. You're going to show up and vote for Trump. And that is what happened. And then. And then everyone lived happily ever after. That is how this goes.
Clay Travis
Yep. And so I am skeptical that even. Yes, I get it, that passions are intense right now and you want your guy to win, but I am very skeptical that very many people will stay home when it comes to the actual midterms if they're to be fair.
Buck Sexton
We are the dinner table where the. Where the frustrated Republican uncle can just let it rip sometimes. You know, that's fine. We're here for that, too. That's fine. You know, we. We take that. That's no problem.
Clay Travis
Yeah. The number of people who vote in primaries and don't show up to vote in generals is infinitesimally small. Right.
Buck Sexton
If you care enough to have the best Republican candidate possible, I think you care enough to not have a communist. Yeah, I think so, so the number
Clay Travis
of people who vote in primaries and do not show up to vote in generals is almost non. Existent. Right. If you're. And we want all of you to go vote in the primary, but the number of you who are doing that, that will not show up when it comes to the general because your guy or gal didn't win is very low. Jamie, in Houston,
Caller
I did not vote for Jasmine, but I am a registered Republican. And if someone gave up, I just think our gubernatorial races and all of that are extremely important right now. Attorney General. So I would never vote out of the party and these people voting for her. I get the strategy, but we need it now. We need good candidates on the Republican side running in November.
Clay Travis
Thank you. I. I get that. I. I get the challenge. Strategically, I think there is a 100% chance that Jasmine Crockett will lose. I think that James Talarico will lose as well. But if you are out there and you are of the perspective, hey, I'm fine with the Republican cand. Whether it's Ken Paxton, whether it's John Cornyn, whether it's Wesley Hunt, I'm fine with any of those three, as one of our callers just said he was. Then if you want to guarantee your side wins, you can do it in the primary by voting for Jasmine Crockett. I. There again, I rarely say there's a 0% chance of something happening there. Book. Are you signing on here with the. Or do you.
Buck Sexton
Can I just point something out? Because I feel like you were a little. You were a little dismissive when I was saying. When Jasmine Crockett was saying crazy stuff. Rewind the tape. Six months, I said, clay, she's building her brand. Yes. She's an imbecile. Doesn't matter. She's building her visibility, her name recognition. And now here we are. And it's a situation where even if she, you know, even if she loses, she wins. Even if she's not somebody who's able.
Clay Travis
I don't disagree. One of the most astute things you have said in five years with me and I can't beat it is, wow, no one loses by running for president.
Buck Sexton
Yep.
Clay Travis
Even if you lose, people know you more. You make more money from speaking. You end up in the cabinet, whatever it is. I can't think of a guy or gal who's run for president and lost. Even was a guy, Asa Hutchinson. I mean, he got 1%.
Buck Sexton
The vac ran the most preposterous presidential campaign I've ever seen in my life. Okay. Which Was, I love Donald Trump so much that I'm going to be president so that he can be my mentor. He was actually saying this stuff, but now he's probably going to be governor of Ohio. Huge national recognition from this maga. Loved what he had to say. He obviously never attacked Trump, so the game worked. But I mean, the whole thing was, was like, this is like the weirdest thing I've ever seen. He's up there, he's like, I'm running so that Donald Trump can mentor me. It's like, yeah, buddy, sure. That's what Trump wants to do. He wants to not be president and let you make the decisions, but he'll call you sometime. It was, the whole thing was like, we were idiots, but it worked.
Clay Travis
Allen in Las Vegas, by the way, let me just say this. Democrats are much more diabolical when it comes to voting strategically to get people who can win usually. And this is why we said last week or the week before, whenever it happened, it was not a coincidence that James Talarico was scheduled on Stephen Colbert show that they canceled. Canceled the interview went up on YouTube.
Buck Sexton
Totally an OP.
Clay Travis
He made $2.4 million on the day that early voting started. Democrats know that Jasmine Crockett has no chance. And they want. Here's the other thing they want. Even if James Talarico loses, they want Republicans to have to expend substantial dollars in Texas that could otherwise be spent because the money is fungible. Right? If you have to spend in to protect your guy in Texas, then you don't get to spend as much in Michigan or you don't get to spend as much in New Hampshire or Georgia, where that money could end up flipping a seat. You have to instead protect your own. So even if Talarico loses, they know that they are going to force the Democrat, the Republicans to spend more money.
Buck Sexton
Can I just tell you real quick that this is where the Democrat, Jasmine Crockett, if she's going to, if she's going to do the Democrat playbook. It's time for a fake hate crime. It's time for, like, someone wrote, someone wrote very bad things on the, you know, the door of my office.
Clay Travis
It's racial slur. Time for Jasmine Crockett to really like fake. You're right. Fake this week.
Buck Sexton
Fake hate crime time is where we are right now. She would raise. She'd raised $10 million in a day. And you know what? When it all came out that it was fake, she'd be like, I was just raising awareness. Let's move on. That's it.
Clay Travis
This is what I always say. If being a victim of a crime is the greatest thing that could happen to you, maybe we should all be a little bit more skeptical about the fact that you were a victim of
Buck Sexton
crime, especially if the crime is mean words. If the crime is mean words like. And you become a millionaire from it,
Clay Travis
where you don't actually have any. Like, if you get punched in the face, like, okay, that sucks. Like, getting hit in the face hurts somebody saying something mean, and you get paid millions of dollars because of it, and it makes you more likely to gain power. We should definitely be a lot more skeptical. I still think we don't talk enough about how funny the Jussie smile.
Buck Sexton
I was just going there. The. The. The Jussie smell. That documentary on Netflix. I know it does eventually do the. Like, Jussie says that he's still out there. I mean, he's OJ Hunting for the real killers. Like, we all know it's so preposterous, but the cops going through the, like, this is what happened. Thing is, it couldn't be any funnier. Like, them just sharing their recollection of, like, yeah, so he's standing there in his own apartment still with the noose around his neck. Like, what is that? Who would do that?
Clay Travis
And also, I mean, it was. Wasn't it, like 2am on the coldest day in the. In Chicago, and there's a couple of random dudes in MAGA hats supposedly who recognize Jussie Smollett. The 1% of Trump voters have any idea at that time who Jussie's. They're watching Empire, and they're aware that he's gay and opposed to Trump, and they're so concerned about him that they're waiting outside. But I wouldn't stand outside at 2am if it's cold. Like, I mean, it's one of the funniest stories out there.
Buck Sexton
No human being had ever said, this is MAGA country until Jussie Smollett told the cops that that's what his attacker said. It's not even a thing. He. He knows so little about Trump voters that he didn't even know how to pretend be attacked by Trump.
Clay Travis
Folks, this is gonna be. This is gonna be the first time you've ever heard me say a positive thing about the Minneapolis protesters. Buck. I wouldn't protest anything if it's zero degrees. Like, I. If it is, I wouldn't watch the super bowl if you gave me tickets and it's zero degrees outside. I'd Be like, you know what? This is amazing. I'm going to stay in the heat. People made fun of me. If you remember, my University of Tennessee played a game against Ohio State. They were like, yeah, it's going to be like five degrees at kick. I was like, you know what? I'm going to stay in my house. I also thought we were going to get beat, but I was like, I'll be in 68 degrees, 70 degrees, climate controlled comfort. There is nothing. I would protest at zero degrees outside. It's too cold. Alan, Las Vegas. Let me hit you really quick. You got 30 seconds, then we got to get to break.
Caller
Yes. Just wanted to weigh in on the Crockett race. I love the Republican strategy here. Politics is a dirty game, and nobody was better than Dirty Harry Reid here in Nevada. He knew that there were less voters in the primary. He would hand pick the opponent and shape a narrative. And it's good to see our side is starting to learn some of that and take advantage.
Buck Sexton
Fantastic. All right, we'll come back. We have also a throwback that you're definitely going to want to hear about this whole situation. We'll get to it in a moment. A good night's rest makes all the difference. Look, I've got Cozy Earth sheets on. I've got about six pairs of Cozy Earth pants in my closet. Truly. I've got a Cozy Earth sweatshirt that I now keep downstairs when I'm watching movies with. With Care Bear and Speed and of course, Ginger Spice. I just got Cozy Earth all over the place. I love the bedding. I love. I mean the, the. What's the bubble. The bubble blanket.
Clay Travis
Bubble blanket.
Buck Sexton
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Actually, I think we do have time. I was wondering about how the clock would work on it, but we were talking Operation Chaos. Let's hear from the one and only Rush Limbaugh on Operation Chaos. This is back in 2020 cut 32 operation chaos created by me 2008 get Republicans in primary states where their votes no longer matter because McCain had become the nominee. Switch over and vote for Hillary to keep the Democrat race going. Now the media is talking about Operation Chaos happening in Texas. They're talking about happening in North Carolina.
Clay Travis
South Carolina.
Caller
Well not.
Clay Travis
Not South Carolina.
Buck Sexton
It's Super Tuesday states and here is a columns the Washington Post again. I was at an event last night where an experienced Texas analyst said that five person this is a huge number by the way. Five percent of the Texas Democrat early vote from people who had voted in the Republican primary in the past four
Clay Travis
statewide elections 2012 through 2018 operation can
Buck Sexton
Republican vote if 5% 5% of the
Clay Travis
Texas Democrat early vote. That's huge.
Buck Sexton
Is Republican voters crossing up.
Clay Travis
That is a major Operation Chaos operation.
Buck Sexton
There you go Rush talking Operation Chaos and Texas no less.
Clay Travis
Well, the data shows, Buck, that there have been more votes cast in the Democrat primary so far than the Republican primary. Now Democrats tend to early vote more as a standard, but I'm feeling like based on the calls and the responses we're getting, certainly there are going to be tens of thousands, maybe more of a Republican voters that are out there for Jasmine Crockett.
Buck Sexton
We need to invite Jasmine Crockett on the show.
Clay Travis
I just told producer Ali to extend the invite.
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This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
In this energetic and news-packed first hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the mechanics and political intrigue of "Operation Chaos" in the context of the 2026 Texas primaries. Revisiting Rush Limbaugh's famed campaign to encourage partisan crossover voting, the hosts explore whether Republicans are now employing similar strategies by voting in the Democratic primaries to boost weaker candidates. The discussion expands to recent controversies involving FBI surveillance of Trump advisors, media manipulation, the physical vigor of Donald Trump versus Joe Biden, and strategic voting’s impact on both major parties. The episode blends humor, personal anecdotes, and incisive political analysis, with live listener call-ins that underline the show’s interactive and grassroots feel.
| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:43 | Upcoming guests; overview of big headlines | | 04:32 | FBI surveillance of Susie Wiles, Trump’s campaign manager | | 06:25 | Buck contextualizes post-2024 legal proceedings against Trump | | 09:04 | Orchestration of Trump prosecutions; “courtroom trap” | | 10:36 | Trump’s physical and mental fitness versus Biden | | 11:15 | Book rankings, bestseller list shenanigans | | 14:44 | CNN’s poll: Trump’s post-speech popularity jump | | 16:04 | Texas primaries & 'Operation Chaos'—call-in segment begins | | 23:16 | John in Austin: strategic crossover voting confessed | | 28:10 | Ken in Houston: strategic calculation for Jasmine Crockett | | 33:32 | “No one loses by running for president” – career boost logic | | 35:54 | Buck jokes about “fake hate crimes” for political advantage (Smollett reference) | | 39:04 | Allen in LV: lessons from Harry Reid, the value of strategic voting | | 43:52 | Rush Limbaugh flashback: “Operation Chaos” explained, Texas context | | 45:49 | Clay notes: Democratic primary votes now outpace Republican, possible Operation Chaos impact |
This hour brings the mechanics and mischief of primary politics to life, illustrating how seasoned political players (and their audiences) are learning to game the system—sometimes taking pointers straight from the history books. Whether reviewing the surge in strategic crossover voting or unpacking the backroom drama of presidential campaign surveillance, Clay and Buck deliver an hour that’s both informative and packed with punchlines, making the complex world of American elections feel accessible and, above all, entertaining.