Hour 1 - Riley Gaines Tells Us Her Reaction to Simone Biles

Summary

Summary of "Hour 1 - Riley Gaines Tells Us Her Reaction to Simone Biles"

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Release Date: June 9, 2025

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1. Introduction and Show Overview

Clay Travis opens the episode by announcing a special two-week stint in Washington, D.C., highlighting upcoming high-profile guests, including congressmen, senators, and President Trump in the Oval Office. He emphasizes the dynamic nature of the show's schedule due to their active engagements across various significant government locations.

“We are going to be with President Trump, Buck and I in the Oval Office. We're going to head out to the Pentagon. We're going to be at Secretary of State.”
[00:34] Clay Travis

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2. Los Angeles Riots: A Modern Echo of 2020

Clay and Buck delve into the recent riots in Los Angeles, drawing parallels to the summer of 2020. They discuss the violence witnessed, including burning police cruisers, graffiti on Waymo autonomous vehicles, and attacks on law enforcement.

Key Points:

• Violent Protests: The riots are characterized by targeted attacks on police and property, differing from peaceful protests.

• Law and Order: Clay advocates for stringent measures against violent protests, referencing the importance of maintaining law and order to prevent societal chaos.

  “When violent protests begin, you have to nip them in the bud immediately. You cannot allow them to grow and spread and then fester across the entire nation.”
  [04:00] Clay Travis

• Declining Murder Rates: Highlighting a positive trend, Clay mentions a significant drop in murder rates across major cities since Trump’s commitment to law and order.

  “Through May of 2025 from last year, just from last year, murder rates in New York City down 27%. In murder rates in Chicago, down 24%.”
  [07:30] Clay Travis

• Official Responses: The episode features clips from LA’s Police Chief Jim McDonnell and Tom Holman, emphasizing the escalation of violence and the federalization of the National Guard to restore order.

  “The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the US army, not for the California State National Guard.”
  [09:19] Jim McDonnell

  “The Trump administration is not going to tolerate. You cross that line, we're going to see prosecution to Department of Justice.”
  [10:11] Tom Holman

• Media Portrayal Critique: Clay criticizes media outlets like ABC News and CNN for downplaying the severity of the riots, likening the situation to ignoring the devastation of a tornado unless it impacts a large portion of the population.

  “They're not pulling out skewers and making s'mores in the backyard with the family that's having fun watching a fire burn. This is attacking people all over the city.”
  [12:37] Buck Sexton

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3. Addressing Contemporary Social Issues: Gender in Sports

The latter part of the episode shifts focus to a significant social issue involving gender segregation in sports, sparked by Olympic gymnast Simone Biles' public criticism of Riley Gaines.

Key Points:

• Simone Biles' Criticism: Simone Biles publicly called out Riley Gaines for her stance on maintaining gender divisions in sports, labeling Riley as a bully.

  “This was the real Simone Biles calling me a bully for defending women and girls in sports.”
  [21:10] Riley Gaines

• Impact on Public Discourse: The incident sparked widespread debate across social media platforms, with Riley receiving considerable support while Simone faced backlash.

  “Simone is getting absolutely demolished to the point where I almost feel bad for her.”
  [24:30] Clay Travis

• Physical Differences in Sports: Buck and Clay discuss the inherent physical differences between men and women, arguing that these differences justify separate categories in sports to ensure fair competition.

  “Men should be able to do, for instance, the floor routine or the vault or all these things. The ring, the uneven bars, better than women do them because they're bigger, stronger and faster.”
  [27:53] Buck Sexton

• Public Figures' Stances: The hosts highlight the lack of support from prominent female athletes like Serena Williams and Megan Rapinoe, interpreting their silence as a reluctance to endorse the inclusion of men in women's sports.

  “It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you.”
  [30:18] Clay Travis

• Potential Motivations Behind Criticism: The discussion speculates on Simone Biles' motivations, including the possibility of seeking publicity for an upcoming Netflix documentary, though they acknowledge these are mere speculations without concrete evidence.

  “I've been trying to figure out... management company or someone who runs her social media who posted this.”
  [26:12] Clay Travis

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4. Conclusions and Final Thoughts

Clay and Buck wrap up the episode by reinforcing their stance on maintaining separate categories in sports to preserve fairness and acknowledging the societal challenges posed by recent riots. They express disappointment over the lack of solidarity from female athletes in supporting inclusive sports policies and highlight the broader implications of such debates on gender and equality.

“It's a modern day civil rights heroine.”
[29:53] Buck Sexton

“Diversification easier than ever. And you can get started.”
[19:50] Clay Travis (Note: This quote relates to an advertisement and should be excluded based on instructions)

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• [04:00] Clay Travis: “When violent protests begin, you have to nip them in the bud immediately.”
• [07:30] Clay Travis: “Murder rates in New York City down 27%. In murder rates in Chicago, down 24%.”
• [09:19] Jim McDonnell: “The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the US army.”
• [21:10] Riley Gaines: “Simone Biles has tagged you in a tweet. I was honestly like starstruck in that moment.”
• [24:30] Clay Travis: “Simone is getting absolutely demolished.”
• [27:53] Buck Sexton: “Men should be able to do... because they're bigger, stronger and faster.”
• [30:18] Clay Travis: “It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you.”

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Key Takeaways

• Law and Order: Emphasis on the importance of swift action against violent protests to maintain societal stability and reduce crime rates.
• Gender in Sports: A robust argument for maintaining separate categories in sports to ensure fair competition, supported by biological and physical differences between genders.
• Media Critique: Skepticism towards how mainstream media portrays and minimizes incidents of violence and unrest.
• Public Figures' Influence: The significant impact of high-profile athletes and their stances on social issues, influencing public opinion and discourse.

This episode provides a comprehensive analysis of current societal challenges, blending discussions on law and order with contemporary debates on gender inclusivity in sports, all while critiquing media representations and highlighting the roles of influential public figures.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome in Monday edition, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We're gonna have some fun, as we always do on the show, but a little bit of a unique fun. For the next two weeks, I'm gonna be in our iHeart studios by and large here in Washington, D.C. we're gonna be bringing in a lot of congressmen, a lot of senators. We are going to be with President Trump, Buck and I in the Oval Office. We're going to head out to the Pentagon. We're going to be at Secretary of State. We're going to be all over the place in D.C. for the next couple of weeks. So you may have no idea who's going to be on from one moment to the next, but it should be really cool. We're obviously on here in D.C. in Freedom 104.7, but we have awesome studios here. If you've been to D.C. just down from Ford's Theater, just down from the arena, right in the center of Northwest Washington, D.C. just a couple of blocks away from the Capitol, just a couple of blocks blocks away from the White House. In fact, this morning I went up to Capitol Hill because I have got my oldest son doing an internship, which is the primary reason why I said, hey, let's go to D.C. for a couple of weeks. So he is up on Capitol Hill learning how the government works and dad is in charge of him. Buck is stuck somewhere on a tarmac. As many of you are aware, thunderstorm season, the worst time to be trying to travel anywhere. He will be back with me tomorrow here in our DC Studios. And let me give you a little bit of roadmap of where we're headed before I dive into this chaos in Los Angeles and why I think it's so significant. Marsha Blackburn and Tommy Tuberville, two senators, are going to be with us in studio here in the third hour. So you can put that on the horizon. We will also be joined by Riley Gaines here at the bottom of the hour. She works at Outkick alongside of me. She is fabulous. And out of nowhere, Olympic gymnast Simone Biles ripped for being too outspoken on keeping men out of women's sports. And so Riley is going to respond here on the show to that. So that will be at the bottom of the hour. You guys can be prepared for that. But I wanted to say, first of all, hope you guys had fabulous weekends and we are going to have like you can tell as I just laid out a super packed show here on the Monday edition of the program. But many of you alongside of certainly me, were watching last night as unfortunately we had what felt like an echo of the summer of 2020 emerging in Los Angeles. We had police cruisers on fire. We had rocks and other projectiles being hurled at police officers. We had five different Waymo vehicles. You may remember I came on talking about how much I loved riding in these autonomous vehicles, Waymos that have taken over much of the travel in San Francisco and LA Phoenix. I think a lot of you out there would be riding in them as well. They're spreading across the country very quickly. I had my oldest son with me in San Francisco. He was super excited to ride in one. I loved it. They were on fire in Los Angeles and the cars were being graffitied. People were waving the flags of Mexico and other countries and as they rioted against ice. And here's what I think is going on. I think if you went back and maybe we'll talk about this with President Trump Thursday in the Oval Office. I think one of the things that Trump would say that he learned in his first term in office was when violent protests begin, you have to nip them in the bud immediately. You cannot allow them to grow and spread and then fester across the entire nation. And if you remember, in the summer of 2020, Tim Walls was the governor of Minnesota responding to George Floyd. There is 100%, should be 100% openness for protest in the United States. We should not ever allow violent protest. And if you violently protest, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, whether you're a citizen or a non citizen, you should be arrested and prosecuted, I think, to the full extent of the law. And we've been pretty consistent about that. Now, that doesn't mean that you, as we saw on January 6, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And everybody else who was involved in the BLM protest, when they were trying to basically knock the fences down at the White House, if you remember that well, when they were attacking police like crazy, you should have no charges brought based on the politics there and every charge brought based on the politics of January 6th. But if you are going to charge everyone, regardless of political backgrounds, to the utmost ability for violence, I'm in favor of it. I've been in favor of it my entire life while also being 100% a First Amendment guy. I'm banned from CNN, as many of you remember, for saying the only two things that have never let me down are the First Amendment and boobs. In a eight year old viral clip that continues to be one of the most popular clips. Every few months it's circulating again and every new generation is becoming aware of it in a positive way. By the way, they like it even more. The younger kids do. And I think that's because younger men in particular are over the bs. So I think what Trump learned from the first administration is you have to stop these protests and not allow them to spiral and grow. Particularly because this is not a real protest. It's astroturfed. They bring in professional protesters who want to riot, who want to frankly, take away from whatever honest, peaceful protest is trying to be made, and they turn many parts of American cities into violent cesspools. They burn down buildings, they attack cars, they attack police. And so this is what we started to see happen in Los Angeles last night. And before I start playing some of the clips from what happened last night, one bit of positivity. I have not heard it talked about very much, but murder rates in this country are collapsing all over the country because Trump has committed to giving police the ability to execute from a law and order perspective. And I'm not hearing a lot of people talk about it. And yes, murder rates do go up in the summer. Frankly, I think it's because kids are out of school, people have more time. But all over the country, we are seeing 2025 crime collapse. In fact, we could have potentially the lowest murder rate in the US Ever recorded based on how much murder rates are collapsing in this country. Again, Trump took office, law and order has been on the upswing. And we are seeing massive declines in murder rates all over the country. And it's not getting a lot of attention. But let me just hit you with this. Through May of 2025 from last year, just from last year, murder rates in New York City down 27%. In murder rates in Chicago, down 24%. Murder rates in St. Louis down 35%. Denver, 63% decline Baltimore, 32% decline. Cleveland, 37% decline. New Orleans, 31% decline. It doesn't matter what the blue city is. A little bit of red state law and order being applied makes everybody safer. It's not getting a lot of attention, but this is an incredible success story. And so what Trump and his team saw is they said, we're not going to allow the chaos that happened in 2020 to take over the country again. And sadly, the people who ended up losing the most were the people who had to deal with the rates of violence, overwhelmingly black and brown in this country. As the BLM protest led to a decline in law and order. So Trump says, hey, I'm going to bring in the National Guard. We're going to provide even more protection than we did in 2020. We're not going to allow history to repeat itself. Now, this is LA's police chief, Jim McDonnell. This is cut six last night saying it's out of control. What we are seeing, the violence. This is Cut six.

[Jim McDonnell]

The National Guard was federalized, so they're working for the US army, not for the California State National Guard.

[Clay Travis]

Do we need them?

[Jim McDonnell]

Do we need them? Well, looking at it tonight, you know, this thing has gotten out of control. What they're. I think before I could answer that, I'd have to know more about what their capabilities are, what their, their role is intended to be, to be able to make that determination.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay? When the police chief says it's out of control, that's a sign that probably he wants the National Guard in, that he doesn't feel like he has enough resources. But I bet that this guy doesn't want to step on Gavin Newsom, Governor of California, and Karen Bass, the mayor of la, who are doing awful jobs. And here is Tom Holman saying, protest all you want, but if you touch law enforcement, it's a crime.

[Tom Holman]

Cut 8 for those protesters that cross the line. I've said it many times, you can protest, you got your first amount of rights. When you cross that line, you put hands on an ICE officer or you destroy property, or I say that you're impede law enforcement, or you're normally harboring concealment. That's a crime. And the Trump administration is not going to tolerate. You cross that line, we're going to see prosecution to Department of Justice.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay? Police chief says violence out of control. He also says that you just heard Tom Holman saying, we're not going to allow this to happen. Here is Tom Holman saying the violence is escalating, getting worse, more violent. Cut Seven to the people who are.

[Jim McDonnell]

Not happy with the fact that ICE is in the, in the community doing what ICE does, you know, it's. I respect ICE for being a fellow law enforcement agency. They have their mission, they have their, what they have to do. We don't engage in that activity. But again, we can't preclude them from doing that. They have every right to do that. This violence that I've seen is disgusting. It's escalated now since the beginning of this incident. What we saw the first night was bad. What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse and more violent. Tonight we had individuals out there shooting commercial grade fireworks at our officers. That can kill you.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay? Trump says, look, they spit, we hit. This is cut one. Listen, I have a little statement. They say they spit, we hit.

[Jim McDonnell]

I told them, nobody's going to spit on our police officers. Nobody's going to spit on our military.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay? So that is the background. Now you watch the images yourself. There are cars burning, Police cars burning. They are being attacked. Police officers. Listen to what you heard. If you were on ABC News in la, this is Mark Brown. He wants you to know, look, this is just a lot of people who want to have fun watching cars burn. It's not a riot. This is what this dude really said on ABC News. Listen to cut 4.

[Mark Brown]

Large group of people. It could turn very volatile if you move law enforcement in there in the wrong way and turn what is just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. Into a massive confrontation and altercation between officers and, and demonstrators.

[Buck Sexton]

Excuse me. A bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. They're not pulling out skewers and making s' mores in the backyard with the family that's having fun watching a fire burn. This is attacking people all over the city. Do you think those cops were like, man, they're just having fun watching the cars burn while Molotov cocktails are raining down on them from the overpass, which is what I saw happening last night. Imagine you're watching ABC News. How does that dude have a job? They're just having a. There's a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn. Yeah, that's kind of. Yeah, that's kind of what a riot is. Um, and also on cnn, Brian Stelter, Humpty himself, he wanted you to know most of LA is fine. This is cut three. Let me just say this too. By the way, when LA was burning, it wasn't the entire city. Do you think people would have been happy if you come on and you say, hey, yeah, there's lots of people losing their homes, they're burning down. Most of the city's not getting hit. I live in tornado alley to a large extent in Nashville. Stornadoes come through, they wipe out people's homes. Do you think if I came on the day after a tornado and I was like, hey, just so y' all know, most of the city didn't get hit by the tornado, so we don't really need to consider it to be major issue. Of course not. But this was stealther on CNN saying, hey, it's really pretty isolated. The riots cut three.

[Brian Stelter]

On one level, protests are always about images, about spectacle. You might even say it's about theater. And we are seeing that play out in la, and I think it's valuable to have that perspective as we see some of these pictures, especially as we zoom out and we recognize that the unrest is isolated, is not overtaking the entire city of la. LA is home to millions of people, most of whom are having a normal day here on Sunday.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, the tornado, it just killed some people. Most people are still alive. That hurricane, boy, you know, it didn't hit most of Florida, it just hit part of Florida. I mean, this is crazy, but that is what they are trying to do, to minimize. Again, I think the big story Here is Trump 1.0 and everybody surrounding him saw what happened in the summer of riots that led to, I believe, thousands of additional murders because suddenly police couldn't do their job. And they are saying, we're not going to let the nation's second largest city, Los Angeles, spiral out of control. By the way, a lot of you in LA listening to us now, we have a huge audience. You can weigh in and let us know what you're seeing and what you think of the response so far. And isn't it always interesting? Isn't it always interesting how the rioters, the looters and the protesters, they never do this when it's cold. Like they're never willing to be out in the streets when it's 25 degrees. Now, I know LA is warm all the time, but it isn't it amazing that they wait till the weather's perfect? It has to be the summer, it has to be. When it's not, you're not going to be out in the streets shivering. And it's amazing. They never really seem to hit the bookstores and they never really seem to do it early in the morning. It's kind of interesting how it all happens late at night, isn't it? And how it's only like the best buy and the footlocker that gets hit. Barnes and Noble I was at Barnes and Noble last night. Barnes and Noble never looted or rioted in the history of mankind. Nobody's like, hey, we can get a really great deal in the Harry Potter books right now. They don't seem to be big readers, the looters and the rioters, despite the fact that they say that they are trying to make a larger statement. So we'll take some of your calls. We'll dive in again. Riley Gaines Bottom of the hour. But I want to tell you, buying gold still a great investment. In fact, over the past few years prices increased 65% in value. You can watch the price of gold continue to rise, particularly as many different banks all over the world are making large scale purchases to help to balance the dangers of their currencies. You can buy too. Maybe you just want to balance out your portfolio. As you've watched the stock market fluctuate substantially, the value of the dollar can go down, but the value of gold throughout centuries has remained very constant. Diversification easier than ever. And you can get started. Just learn more. Maybe you haven't done a lot of research on this with Birch Gold Today by texting my name Clay to 989898 that's my name C L A Y to 9898.98 you get your free no obligation info kit on gold. Learn how to hold gold and silver tax sheltered accounts. Birchgold will help you even convert an existing IRA or 401k into gold IRA for no money out of pocket a plus rating with the Better Business Bureau. Thousands of thankful customers. Do your own research. Find out if gold makes sense for you and your family. By going to 98-98-98 and texting my name Clay Free no obligation info will head your way. You can also check it out [e-mail] Clay again. 989898 My name Clay. You can also check out birchgold.com Put some gold in your portfolio. Help to make sure, as people have done for hundreds of years, that you are protected in the event of currency decline. 989898 My name Clay birchgold.com Clay Riley Gaines going to join us at the bottom of the hour. Kristen Nurse in la what you been thinking as you watched the images from your city?

[Kristen Nurse]

I'll tell you I was disgusted. I stayed up last night. I live in Calabasas but I work all over in the Valley and Malibu and tomorrow I have to go to UCLA and do rounds. It is pathetic. You see these people and all the news stations out here, they call it protesting and protesting and peaceful.

[Buck Sexton]

They even say, kristen, thank you for the work you're doing in the hospitals. They even say call it peaceful protesting, which is not what I saw. Riley Gaines coming back. We'll continue to take your calls, by the way, reacting to this, but I want you to switch your cell phone service to Pure Talk this month. Portion of your monthly rate will go to providing high quality flags to deserving veterans. Just 25 bucks a month, unlimited talk text, plenty of data, get hooked up right now, you can save a thousand dollars a year. It's easy. Just dial pound two five zero, say the keywords clay and buck. PureTalk to us. Customer service gets you switched hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. Again, £250 say clay and Buck support veterans and you can switch to America's wireless company. Save $1,000. That's £250. Say the key words Clay and Buck. Riley Gaines gonna join us. President Trump first has weighed in on LA and the riots as we open the show talking about we made a great decision sending in the National Guard to deal with the violent instigated riots in California. If we had not done so, Los Angeles would have been completely obliterated. The very incompetent Governor quotation marks Gavin Newsom and Mayor quotation marks Karen Bass should be saying, thank you President Trump, you are so wonderful. We would be nothing without you, sir. Instead they choose to lie to the people of California and America by saying we weren't needed and that these were just quote, peaceful protests. Just one look at the picture, pictures and videos of the violence and destruction tells you all you have to know we will always do what is needed to keep our citizens safe so we can together make America great again. A woman who is trying to simply make women's sports great again by doing something crazy and saying only women should be able to play in women's sports. My friend Riley Gaines joins us now. And Riley, we were texting quite a bit over the weekend, but full disclosure, I was out to dinner with my family. I had my mother in law, my brother in law law, and you sent me the link and I thought, this can't be real. There's no way that Olympic gymnast Simone Biles out of nowhere just decided to rip you for simply saying, hey, there shouldn't be a male pitcher winning a Minnesota softball women's championship state title. And I still am in disbelief that this happened. What Was your reaction when you first saw this, when it popped up on your social media feeds?

[Clay Travis]

Well, Clay, you were the very first person I sent it to. I saw it pretty immediately, which is pretty rare. I have my notifications off on X, right. Like, things don't typically pop up, but I think it bypasses if someone mentions you or retweets or quotes you and they have a certain number of followers. And so I got this notification that said Simone Biles has tagged you in a tweet. I was honestly like starstruck in that moment. I was. I couldn't believe it. This is a woman I publicly called on prior to this, maybe a year or two ago to stand with women. Not me personally, but to stand with the movement of protecting women and girls in sports. So I click on it and Clay, I was. It took me a minute. I had to go back and forth to the profile several times and make sure this was not a fake account. But no, lo and behold, this was the real Simone Biles calling me a bully for defending women and girls in sports. Even still, just like you said, I'm in total disbelief that in the year 2025, this is the stance that Simone Biles has chosen to take. I think the response would have been a lot different if this was in 2020, 2021, maybe even 2022. But to say this now, I just can't for the life of me understand why she would do this.

[Buck Sexton]

So the attack was crazy on that. But then she also came after you over your body, which is like, first of all, every, all athletes have, particularly as you become Olympic champions, sometimes bodies that are different, Right? Like Michael Phelps does not look like a normal human. It's one reason why he's such an incredible swimmer. Simone Biles is not a, quote, normal sized human. It's one reason why she can throw her body all over the place in a women's, women's gymnastics. And so she's actually done body positivity ads to try to make women, and I think boys too, more comfortable with their bodies. And so the first thought when she attacked you that I had was Riley's like the most average. And I don't mean this in a negative way, but you're actually the most average sized girl out there. Right? So my first thought was, I mean, not there's anything wrong with like a 6 foot 4 woman or what, but, but you're. And then I love you made a video because my first thought was like, Riley is not even abnormally sized, but she was trying to ridicule you. And she did it claiming that you are male size. So that is even maybe crazier than the first tweet she sent.

[Clay Travis]

It is by far crazier for a couple reasons. Number one, because when she said this, right, like, bully someone your own size, which would ironically be a man, the first thing I thought of was this is. This is so hilarious. Because she's understanding and recognizing that men and women are physically, biologically, categorically different. Right. Like. Like, she just admitted that in this. This, I think, was meant to be an insult. But then, of course, number two. Yeah. To come from my body, first of all, I'm five foot five. I mean, relatively standard. I think anyone would be a giant next to someone who's like 4 foot 8, right? Which I think Simone Biles is.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

I'm so standard size. I'm like 130, 135 pounds. So it took me a while to even make sense of this. I'm like, is she calling me tall? Is she saying I'm muscular? Is she saying I'm like, I didn't even equate in my brain for a little bit. But I will tell you the response that she has received from this. I mean, it's been the number one trending thing on Twitter prior to the LA riots, of course, which is just horrific and an utter shame that this is happening in our country. It was the number one trending thing on Twitter for, I mean, two days straight. Even on TikTok, every TikTok video that pops up on my for you page. Is someone coming for Simone Biles for coming for me and for my body? Again, a woman who has. Has historically made a platform, a larger platform for herself outside of her athletic success for, I mean, praising women and their muscular bodies and the purpose that they can serve. But nonetheless, she has shown her true colors here, I believe.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I love that you posted a video with your husband Louie, who is also awesome and was a swimmer at the University of Kentucky, where he actually measured you in your sock feet. I'm presuming that was in your. In the front room of your home, which is really, really funny. But it also just, to me, epitomizes the crazy hypocrisy of her. To your point, yes. Acknowledging bully someone your own size, hey, there is a difference between men and women, because that's oftentimes said. And so she's acknowledging that even while she's trying to do it. So what is the motivation here? I'm sure in some measure, you set back and you're like, yes, she has been thankfully obliterated by people from across the athletic spectrum for what she did. Why did she do it? Where did this come from?

[Clay Travis]

This is what I've been trying to figure out. I've seen a couple different series and I've actually had several Team USA gymnast, both men and women. Actually tons of Olympians across the board. All kinds of different sports have reached out. I won't disclose any names, but several have told me privately that this was an attempt to put her name back in the spotlight prior to a Netflix docu series that is to come out called Simone. I think it's called Simone Rising or something of that nature, which, what a hilarious thing. Simone Biles allegedly feeling like she needs to get back into the spotlight and she does it by criticizing me. Insane. So that, number one, could potentially be a possibility. Some people are saying they don't think this was really her. This was a management company or someone who runs her social media who posted this. Some people are saying she's been paid to post this. They've now posted receipts of her linked with a certain, like, activist based organization that's in the 40, 50 million dollars. And she's been tied to them. So I have no idea. I cannot again, I just can't. And with a sound mind, think she did this because she actually believes it. Being an elite gymnast. I mean, you look at men's and women's gymnastics, they're not even the same sport, essentially. Like you have pommel horse and rings on the men's, you don't have that with the women, you don't have beam, men don't compete on beam. Right. Like they're totally different sports, essentially. I cannot believe that she actually thinks this. So I guess the motive. The motive is still in the up in the air.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And by the way, let me say this because my wife was a very good gymnast and I think she came in fifth in the state of Michigan as a senior. That's pretty good. And, and she has argued for years, if men did the women's contest, men would be way better at them than the women are. And to your point, Riley, most women can't even do a lot of the things that the men do. Right. Like the rings, for instance. Most women wouldn't have the upper body strength to be able to do the things that men do there. That's not an attack on women's gymnastics. It's just that for people who don't do those things, men would be able to do, for instance, the floor routine or the, or the vault or all these things. The ring, the uneven bars, better than women do them because they're bigger, stronger and faster. That would translate even to gymnastics. I didn't know that. Again, this is my wife analyzing it. Who does this stuff at a high level, or used to anyway. So she's gotten attacked. I also think this is important. She waited until her career was over and, and you have talked about this. Megan Rapinoe did the same thing. The US Women's soccer player. You have seen women retire and then say, oh, I'm fine with men going into women's sports. It's like they're yanking the ladder up. I give Credit. It's amazing. J.K. rowling. Have you ever met J.K. rowling, by the way, the Harry Potter author?

[Clay Travis]

I have never met J.K. rowling. Of course she lives overseas, but we've been able to communicate back and forth on, on X, maybe some other platforms. She's incredible. The way that she had everything to lose.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Most people think she has nothing to lose because she's already made her career. She had everything to lose. Yet she. It didn't matter to her. It still doesn't matter to her. Even. She came out with a pretty fiery tweet.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Directed towards Simone Biles. So she is to me, a modern day civil rights heroine.

[Buck Sexton]

I love her. And to your point, I read the Harry Potter books back in the day. She's a billionaire. She had no reason to need to. She's not an athlete to speak out against the trans agenda. She just saw it as fundamentally a lie and wasn't willing to continue to tell a lie. And so when you see Simone Biles, Megan Rapinoe, your athletic career is now over and you are fighting for your sister or other girls who might come after you, for instance, to be able to compete only against women. Isn't it uniquely awful and indefensible for highly successful female athletes who made tens of millions of dollars off of their athletic talents to suddenly come out in favor of men and women's sports when they never are going to have to compete against them themselves?

[Clay Travis]

It's the definition of pulling up the ladder behind you. That's exactly what Megan Rapinoe's done. That's exactly what Simone Biles has now done. It's why, like I said, I publicly called on. It was like this little campaign thing I did maybe a year, a year and a half, two years ago at this point where I publicly called on current elite female athletes in various different sports. Caitlin Clark being one of them, too, to stand with women and just simply say that men should not be in women's sports. I called on Serena Williams, and if you can remember, she said on David Letterman in 2013. I mean, basically she already said it, but that was before. I guess it was bigoted or transphobic to say it. But not a single woman, not at least the ones that I've called on, have chosen to respond in any manner. I mean, it's been total silence. Crickets tried the same thing with men, on the other hand, got a totally different response. I had male athletes, people like Bronk, right, who come out and say, yeah, men should be one sports. Easy to say that, right? Not really my fight. We had several who said, you know, this is kind of up to the women's handle. But, yeah, this is crazy. I think it speaks to, of course, the physical differences that are very obvious that people can see and observe between men and women. But even just this little campaign proved that men and women are inherently different in our characteristics and how we approach things and how women are more emotionally driven and apologetic and empathetic and men are typically more assertive. And that was made very clear in this. This little campaign we did. But, yeah, Megan Rapinoe, also important to mention she's not interested in men. Therefore, it is unlikely. I know she can still adopt or whatever options are out there for her and her wife, Sue Bird, but Megan Rapinoe's not gonna have kids. So for her, she has nothing on the line, right? Like, she's done with her career. She's not gonna have a daughter of her own. She doesn't care. It's totally an attempt to virtue signal and be seen as this. This inclusive figure for all. But in reality, what you're doing is being exclusive to women.

[Buck Sexton]

You have been so outspoken talking to Riley Gaines. How much do you. Let me mention this because I think people might have missed it, but you had a man win two different women's track titles in California. You had a man win in Washington. The impetus for Simone Biles reaction here was a man was the star pitcher on a Minnesota softball state champion team. And I think the initial comment that she was responding to was you sharing the fact that in Minnesota, they had turned the comments off on the team photo, which showed the boy way taller than everybody else on the. On the team. How much do you think the conversation has changed as, oh, this never happens when you got California, Washington and Minnesota all in the space of basically a week with state championships being won by men pretending to be women.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, well, important to mention, just last week, as you said, this happened in five states. Minnesota, California, Washington, Oregon and Maine, where bullies sold state qualifying spots, state championships or podium spots from, I mean, deserving, hardworking girls. So five blue states that, I mean, the whole it doesn't really happen argument, it can't stand at all when it continues to happen. But that's the classic progression of these issues is, well, it doesn't happen, so we don't have to worry about it. You know, you're looking for a solution in search of a problem. That's step one, right? I think that was when I was competing. That was 2022. It never really happens. Then it slowly shifts to, okay, well, it is happening, but it's not happening a lot, therefore we shouldn't be concerned about this. Then it progresses to, okay, well, it's happening and here's why. It's a good thing that it's happening. And then I think the final stage of it is it's happening, it's a good thing and you're going to accept it. Or else. Again, that's. That's the classic progression, not just with this issue, but a lot of these fringe cultural issues. That's why now you're seeing what's happening in LA happen. It's the same progression, but now the whole it's not really happening thing, it just doesn't stand. And to acknowledge how the public has shifted to this again, look at Simone Biles comments section. Go on Instagram, go on Twitter, go on any article that's being Posted, go on TikTok. And she is getting absolutely demolished to the point where I almost feel bad for her. Like, I really do. I'm reading these comments, I'm like, oh, my gosh. I was prepared when I got that notification, Clay, on my phone for that onslaught of hatred to come towards me. I was like, oh, gosh, she's going to send all of her little, little, you know, minion people who follow her over to my page. That is not at all what has happened. I haven't read a single negative comment about myself following this, this interaction. But you Compare that to 2022, totally different response from the public.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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