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Clay Travis
Free, free Palestine.
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Buck Sexton
Free, Free Palestine.
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Rand Paul
Palestine.
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Buck Sexton
So there's no uncertainty about what his motives are. This is a chant that has been screamed loudly on college campuses everywhere in many different American streets by people who claim that Israel is the bad guy. In the wake of October 7th, let me make sure that you know these individuals names. This is the Israeli ambassador, Yaqel Lighter, discussing these victims and talking about his conversation with President Trump.
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Rand Paul
The young man purchased a ring this week with the intention of proposing to.
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Buck Sexton
His girlfriend next week in Jerusalem.
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Rand Paul
They were a beautiful couple who came.
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Buck Sexton
To enjoy an evening in Washington's cultural center.
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Clay Travis
On the way in, Ms. Bondi was.
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Buck Sexton
Kind enough to hand me the phone. On the other line was the President of the United States, Donald Trump, who told me that his administration is going.
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Rand Paul
To do everything it can possibly do.
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Buck Sexton
To fight and end anti Semitism and the hatred that's being directed, the demonization.
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Clay Travis
And delegitimization of the state of Israel.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, Buck, you and I, I don't think sadly are surprised. I was just about getting ready to go to bed when the alert popped up on my phone late last night, a little bit after midnight. And to me it felt inevitable based on the way that the United States, many people in the United States, on the left in particular, but also there's people on the right who are anti Semitic. This is where I would say the left and the right unfortunately sometimes have agreement, but it's far more pronounced certainly on the left wing right now. Antisemitism is, and this to me is a natural result of being unable to distinguish between good and evil, such that you then engage in evil acts yourself because you believe you're doing something that is right and just. And this is the importance of being able to teach right and wrong. And unfortunately the younger you are in this country, the more likely you are to buy into the idea that the Israeli state is the bad guy. Here.
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Clay Travis
We recognize that first of all it's heartbreaking to see this and I sit here and just say that murdering a beautiful couple like this in cold blood outside a social event, I don't know what could be more demonic, senseless. And you know, it's interesting to me that the media, whenever there is a anything that they can say how somehow involves right wing ideology, they'll speak of something called, and we've discussed it on the show, stochastic terrorism. So numerically random terrorism is effectively what it is like. If you do this enough, if you spread this message Enough, somebody will commit an act of terrorism. They'll talk about that if they can say that this is somehow racist right wing ideology. Meanwhile, the left is soaked in anti Israel, anti Semitic hatred top to bottom, day in and day out. It's in the media, it's on campuses. There is safe harbor given and platform given to it in the Democrat Party. And we are just to think that this now happens in some kind of vacuum. You know, this is, this comes up, Clay, when we have the discussions about they can't say that Trump is Hitler, but they oppose violence against Trump. That doesn't really make sense, does it? If you believe that Trump was Hitler, which is an insane person's statement, but the Democrats have said it countless times, as we know. But if you truly believed that, then you would want to do anything to remove that threat from the United States. And of course we saw that two people tried in the election cycle and one put a bullet through Trump's ear. If you truly believe that there is a genocide going on in Gaza, first of all, you can't read or you can't process information because this wouldn't be a long and drawn out war if it was a genocide. Israel could just flatten all of Gaza in a matter of days. No if, ands or buts, and that would be the end of it. They could kill every man, woman and child in Gaza if they chose to do so. The reason the war is taking so long is first and foremost Gaza. I mean, Hamas and the Gazans refused to release civilian hostages that were taken at the start of this war in the horrible October 7th terrorist massacre. So to me, there is such an inversion of morality that goes on here. And I point this out as well, Clay, because, you know, you said this yesterday, I've been advancing this point on the show as much as I can because I started out in Middle east studies in my life back in college, working the Arab Israeli, working on the Arab Israeli issue. My first ever real internship was for Dennis Ross, the US Ambassador under Clinton for the Arab Israeli peace accords. So I've been following this for a very long time and I'm aware of a lot of the different dynamics. But in this country, it has turned into a shrill left wing rallying cry, absent facts and just full of hatred. And that results in things like we've seen on the campuses, which is, which is completely disgusting and then can even result in things like this. I would want to ask these individuals who are on the campuses, I want to ask the people who are always talking about the Genocide in Gaza. Where are they on the genocide? And I know it sounds like a what about ism to some people that want to make that claim. Clay, where's the talk about the genocide going on in South Sudan? Or is it every. Do they care about every human life and depression? Do they care about hospitals being bombed? How many even know that a hospital was just bombed in South Sudan? They have no idea. They don't pay any attention. Because that is a fight among a lot of different ethnic groups. But Arab Muslims, black Africans, there's no white people involved. And when there's no white people involved, even though 400,000 people have died, there have been mass rapes, there has been ethnic cleansing, I mean the most horrific stuff imaginable. It's been going on for over a decade, I might add. And yet none of the people that are walking around with keffiyehs on talking about how every life matters and stop genocide, they, they don't know a damn thing about it. You know why? Because they're cosplaying as revolutionaries and they're just feeding in to this anti white narrative that they think somehow explains the Israel Hamas war. And that is how stupid they are and that is how malevolent their ideology is. And it results in things like we saw last night.
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Buck Sexton
I think all that's very well said. I know there are maybe some people out there with kids, grandkids that don't get this. Let me give you two things that I think are very simple that you can share with them and ask them to think about. One is, and I was over in December and I don't remember who told me this, but I've heard it repeated since. But the first time I heard it was in Israel. And it is this. If Israel put down its weapons, it wouldn't exist tomorrow. If every other country in the Middle east that hates Israel put down its weapons, there would be peace in the Middle East. Israel is not the aggressor. Israel is trying to protect itself and most of its foes want Israel. As you saw on October 7, the Jewish people in Israel wiped off the face of the earth. That's what from the river to the sea means. So that's an easy one that I think is that everybody can grasp. And two is another analogy we have made. And I think it's a good one because people sometimes say, ok, well why do you care? How do you decide who's good, who's bad? Well, I was there in, in all the kibbutzes where all the innocent people were murdered. When Hamas decided to come into Israel and rape and pillage and murder across a wide expanse. But I want you to think about this. When Biden had our southern border wide open, or even now, if somehow it were to occur, if a Mexican terror organization came across our southern border and killed 1200Americans and kidnapped hundreds of them and went back into Mexico and claimed that they shouldn't be attacked because women and children might be harmed, what would we do to the part of Mexico that the terrorists were in? Buck, you were in the CIA. What do you think we would do if they killed 1200Americans, went back across their border and had hundreds of hostages?
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Clay Travis
Well, I joined the CIA because of 9 11, so we can even use a more direct historical analogy here. I think that October 7th was Israel's 9 11.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
And I mean very clearly. And as a matter of percentages, I think it might even be higher than 9 11.
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Buck Sexton
Oh. Infinitely infinite. Infinitely higher. Because the Israeli population, so much smaller.
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Clay Travis
So when you, when you factor this out. Yeah. After 9 11, you know, I will add, by the way, there's actually a pretty good hunt for bin Laden on Netflix. If anyone's curious to look for something, it's pretty well done. My old friend Gary Bernson, who led the Jawbreaker team, is on it. Mike Morrell, whom I work for in the CIA, who's a lib and a Hillary guy. But you know, there's some people that were there doing the, doing the work, and they're pretty good. But Clay, people, I think sometimes leave this part out of our response. After 9 11, we said to the Taliban, OK, you guys have him, you hand him over or else. They chose or else. Yeah, we had no choice. There is no choice. Because the choice to not do anything would be the choice to let evil win. And Israel has the same choice after October 7th. And this is the, you know, this is where I get very frustrated because there are people out there who think themselves clever because somehow the only thing they ever have a problem with is a response to terrorism. Yeah, it's always. The response isn't good enough. It's a little bit like arguing with somebody who's wrong and just says, I don't like your tone. I don't like your tone. Well, how are we going to. Is it. Who's right is what matters. Okay. You can complain about my tone all day. And Hamas brought this war upon themselves. They could have ended this war after October 7th for months and months and months, get given the hostages back and had an unconditional surrender. They chose not to do it. They don't just hold Israelis hostage. They hold themselves hostage. That's the problem. They've decided, we would rather light ourselves on fire as a people in Gaza than join civilization and stop this madness.
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Buck Sexton
Wall Street Journal last weekend had a piece that I thought was important. I shared it. People say, why did Hamas do it? Well, certainly they're horrible and anti Semites. Right? They want Israel wiped off and the Jewish people wiped off the planet. But in particular, the timing of October 7th seems to have been directly tied to fear that Saudi Arabia was going to normalize relations with Israel and that would lead to more peace in the Middle East. And they didn't want that to happen because they thought that would undercut their political posture. So the reason they attacked on October 7 was they were trying to stop peace from spreading even more substantially in the Middle East. They're evil. And I think you saw the motivation. And any of you out there with kids or grandkids walking around saying, globalize the intifada, I think that they are so poorly educated that they do not even understand how much of morons they truly are. Look, we're going to talk more about this. Going to go to Israel and talk with Yale Eckstein. She works at the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews about what the reaction is in Israel, which I'm sure is widely discussed and was crushing to so many people over there, to hear that two young, innocent people who were soon to be engaged were murdered in cold blood for being Jewish. This is why, you know, our friend Carol Markowitz tweeted that Jews need to go buy as many guns as they can. And she in particular, she's on a plane or she'd be with us today. Maybe we can get her on tomorrow. But she in particular, buck, you know, this, went and taught herself how to fire a gun after October 7th. And there are a lot of women out there in particular, I took her.
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Clay Travis
Out and taught her how to fire guns. We took her out for a range day so that she knew how to defend herself.
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Buck Sexton
So many people are like this. I mean, I talked about when I was in Israel, I met a woman who's working with the ifcj. Young mom, walks around with a handgun on her hip everywhere she goes. Now, she was in the hospital having just delivered a baby on October 7, and her mom was killed on October 7. Her brothers had to go rescue her. Her husband, who was holding a butcher knife right by the door to try to stab people if they came in to kill their infant children. I mean, this is the reality of what people in Israel deal with every day. And unfortunately, globalized. The Intifada is spread here. If you want to educate, you want people to learn more, trust me, just go to ifcj.org you can learn. Click there so you can talk to the kids and grandkids in your family. Please just trust me. IFCJ.org go learn what is going on, what Israel is having to deal with and trying to defend itself in its very existence. IFCJ.org is that website. Click the learn tab. IFCJ.org.
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Clay Travis
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've been talking to you about this terrible, this heinous double assassination of two, a young Jewish couple about to get engaged in our nation's capital last night. And, and this is should be the easiest thing for anyone in American politics to condemn. Let's check in on Ilhan Omar for a second member of United States Congress. Play cut seven. Congresswoman Omar, can I get your reaction.
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Buck Sexton
To the shooting that happened in D.C. last night? I'm going to go for now.
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Clay Travis
I'm going to go for now. Let me, Let me just say something. So we're all very clear on this. We all know, right, that Ilhan Omar represents a constituency a large. I mean, if you did a poll, I'm telling you, a large percentage of them support what happened last night. They say that that's actually what should happen. That's the truth. That is the truth. There are people who vote for Ilhan Omar, there are people who vote for some of these radical left anti Israeli members of congress who think that violence is justified. I mean they say it on college campuses, right? Why wouldn't they, why wouldn't this extend to other people across the country?
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Buck Sexton
I mean this is the definition of globalize the intifada. I mean this is what happens in Israel sadly on a regular basis. A terrorist comes up and kills someone because they're Jewish. This happens all the time. It's really the only crime they have in Israel and we don't see this thing happen thankfully very often here. But it's inevitable. I mean look, George Washington University, my alma material said death to the martyrs on the library and had one of the most long lasting campus takeovers of any university in the country. They put a cafe on George Washington in the center of the campus. It's sadly not a surprise to me. I think that Washington D.C. is probably one of the most anti semitic cities in America. And if you this is obviously a tough transition but you know, right now you got to clean your gutters no matter what big rainstorms cloud clog your gutters. Even if you have the smallest number of leaves, branches, whatever else can accumulate clean gutter clears the way for a carefree summer. Whether you're tired of unclogging your gutters or don't even know what they look like, it's time for a permanent solution with leaffilter Right now save up to 30% off@leaffilter.com Clayandbuck gutter clogs aren't just a nuisance, they can cause extensive water damage. Let leaffilter's trusted pro help protect your home from flooding, foundation issues and more. They'll clean out, realign, seal your gutters before installing leaffilters filters award winning patented technology. Get hooked up today@leaffilter.com ClayandBuck that's leaffilter.com Clayandbuck welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show We head up to Capitol Hill now to be joined by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Senator, we saw the big beautiful bill passed by one vote in the House 215 to 214. I believe it is now on to the United States Senate. What happens there now? What should we know about what, what the process is in the Senate, what you want to see.
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Rand Paul
You know there's some good and some bad to the bill. The good is the tax cuts. You know I supported these in 2017. Some of them will be making permanent and some of them will be adding too. I'm Very supportive of that. I'm supportive of spending cuts. I think the spending cuts are wimpy, anemic, and unfortunately won't do much to change the course of the country towards a more fiscal, fiscally responsible path. The thing I really object to, though, and it prevents me from supporting it at this point, is that it adds either 4 or 5 trillion, depending on which version you look at, to the debt ceiling. This will be an historic increase in the debt ceiling. We've never added this much at one time and frankly, conservatives have never voted for these things. Typically, they've been passed by Democrats and sort of the big government Republicans are forced to get together. I always called it a day of shame. They had to go down in the well and admit that their big spending plans had caused the debt to rise alarmingly. But now it's conservatives voting for it. And my fear is, is that this will be the end of fiscal conservatism here and in the country, because there's very few. I mean, there were one or two in the House that oppose this because the debt grows too much. Right now it's just me in the Senate. And it's not because I oppose Donald Trump or not because I oppose the tax cuts or any of the spending cuts, but I just don't think we should be the party that raises the debt ceiling $5 trillion. You know, come come September, the deficit this year is going to be about 2.2 trillion. That's all Republican. Now, because Republicans have voted for these spending levels, they're anticipating 2.8 to 3 trillion next year. That's just not conservative. And somebody's got to be left in the country who will speak truth to power that will say, basically, we are supposed to be the Conservative Party.
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Clay Travis
Senator Paul, are we at a point where we just need to be honest as a country that if there is no political will to change, alter whatever somebody wants to say about it. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, maybe really just Medicare in that equation. And defense spending's not going to get cut. If anything, it's going to go up. We're not going to tackle the debt, right? I mean, is that mathematically what we are stuck with? Is there some other way? I just worry that this is. You know, I remember when you came in on the Tea Party wave. We've been talking about this issue for a long time. There's a bit of fatigue over, guys, the debt bomb is ticking. The debt bomb is ticking. And everyone goes, oh, my gosh, let's do something about it. You go, okay, Maybe we need a reform. Entitlements, they go, you're out of office.
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Rand Paul
Yeah, well, you know, I've been pretty honest with it, you know, since I was elected. When I was running for office the first time, I said, Social Security is running out of money, so is Medicare, and we're living longer. We're gonna have to gradually raise the age of eligibility. And I would laughingly say, you know, people would say, do you hate old people? And I say, no, I aspire to be an old person. You know, I'm on my way. I, you know, want to quote my Social Security, my Medicare. And so in order to save these systems, they have to be reformed. But when we take them off the table and we present deficits as big as the Biden deficits are bigger, we're just as guilty. We no longer can point to them and say, oh, these are the Biden deficits or the Biden inflation that came from the deficits. We'll be looking in the mirror because we'll have the responsibility now. And I just. I think there still needs to be a conservative resistance against big spending and against debt. And it is important. Our interest rate's about a trillion dollars, our interest payments about a trillion dollars a year. But interest rates are still edging up, you know, the interest rate for 30 years at 5%. So we are gradually turning over into a higher interest rate, and it's going to crowd out all spending at some point in time. The deficit for this year will equal the budget. Congress votes on a discretionary budget of about 1.8 to $2 trillion. That's equal to the deficit, which means 100% of the budget we vote on will be borrowed this year. So this should not be about allegiance to Donald Trump. I like the president. I voted for him, I support him, and I'm with him on so many things. His Cabinet, Maha movement, all that stuff. But it doesn't mean we should quit being fiscally conservative and asking the difficult questions about are we for big debt or are we not for it? Are we. Are we different than the Democrats when it comes to deficit spending? And right now, we're looking kind of like the Democrats as far as a.
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Buck Sexton
Result, we're talking to Senator Rand Paul. I want to build on what Buck said because I do think it's interesting the Tea Party movement started. You can correct me if I'm wrong, because I may be a little bit off, but I think I'm right. When under Obama, the national debt approached 10 trillion. Since that time, we have nearly quadrupled the national debt because it's rapidly approaching 40 trillion. And as you just laid out, you know, we're headed for 50 trillion, 60 trillion. And it just feels like Buck and I talk about this sometimes on the program because we see the responses. When we bring it up, you say, hey, this is unsustainable. People say, well, you should just cut cost. The problem is if you look at the basic math of what Medicare cost, of what Social Security costs, what the debt cost, and I don't think most people want to replace national defense. Even though now we're spending more money servicing the debt on interest than we are in national defense. That eliminates about 86% ish of the overall budget. Even if you cut every other part of the budget, you're still going to, as you just laid out, end up in a deficit situation. To me, the only possible solution is you have to address entitlement spending in a significant way. And you know this better than anybody. It seems like 95% of politicians just say, hey, I got to get elected in two years. Hey, I got to get elected in four years, six years, whatever it is, we'll just kick the can down the road and pretend that the looming debt crisis doesn't actually exist.
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Rand Paul
We know one of the reasons we put forward the penny plan budget to balance the budget is to illustrate that it can be done and it can be done by cutting only a few percentage points, but you have to cut a few percent of everything. So when I started proposing this 10 years ago, spending wasn't nearly as bad, but it was headed in the wrong direction. Ten years ago you could freeze spending, just don't increase spending. Spend the same amount each year for five years and the budget would balance. Then a couple years later, we called it the penny plan. You had to cut 1% across the board of everything on budget to balance the budget, to balance the annual budget. Then it became the two penny plan. Then Covid hit and it became the six penny plan. And so that's about where we are right now. You'd have to cover 6% across the board. But I tell people, look at it this way, if you still had 94%, let's say your big deal is your mother and grandmother had Alzheimer's disease. You want the government to do research. So they come into me, they all wear purple ribbons and I have great deal of sympathy. I have family members who have had. And I say to them, well, you know, we're short of money and you got 100 million last year. Could you, could you live with 94 million this year. And every one of them, they're, they're tearful, thinking about their loved ones or talking about something very personal to them. And they look at me and they say, well, sure, if the country's short of money, we could do 94 million. And see, that would be the same truth of everybody. Everybody would just have to deal with $94 out of 100. And it would be less about eliminating anything to anyone but cutting everybody to 6% and just saying, we've got to do it. You do it for a couple years, we balance. The country begins to grow, receipts grow again, and actually government spending could gradually go up after a while. But I don't know. I'm not afraid to do it. And I don't know that I'm any less popular than I was when I ra. You know, I got 62% of the vote last time in a state that has a significant population that's dependent on government. And I have great sympathy for them and I want them all to do better. And I say, I don't want to cut you off Medicaid. I want to get you private health insurance with a private job and better payment. And so, I don't know, I think people do understand it, if you're sincere. I think a lot of the people that are weaselly and waffly and never really commit one way or the other and then go home and tell everybody there for a balanced budget, this is a problem with Republicans. It's going to, they're going to lose face and they're going to lose any semblance of sincerity because they're going to go home to the Chamber of Commerce and to the Rotary and talk about balanced budgets next year or this summer. And yet the deficit is going to be 2.2 trillion. And all of it is responsible to Republicans now. This is no longer the Biden deficit. This will be the GOP deficit. And in the next two years, they're going to borrow $5 trillion. Somebody's got to stand up and shout no.
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Clay Travis
Well, Senator Paul, at least down the line, if this doesn't stop, you'll be able to look at all of us when we're facing a true financial crisis and say, I did tell you guys this is coming. So I know that won't. That will be cold comfort. But you're very much on the record with this one. I worry that American politics have unfortunately gotten on this unstoppable amusement park ride and we're going to run out of track. But anyway, I also Wanted to ask you something. Well, actually, no. This is very serious, too. I was. I was gonna say go to a lighter direction, but, no, not really. What you're finding about, or what we're all finding out about, really, the new version of how the Democrats viewed Biden during the election. This book that's come out, all of this stuff, where do you come. I mean, as a doctor as well as somebody who's in politics at a high level. I mean, nobody's really supposed to believe that your Democrat colleagues in the Senate didn't know Biden wasn't all there. Right?
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Buck Sexton
Or what?
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Rand Paul
No. This is really shocking. You're going to discover, can you believe it? That Biden was actually mentally impaired and no one knew about it until he wrote his book. This is just shocking. I mean, what great reporting. Tapper has revealed that President Biden was missing a step or two. No, I mean, everybody saw it from miles away. The shuffling gate, the absent stare, the, you know, looking one way, looking for people, never really certain of where he was, and then the rambling, incoherent sentences. So, you know, and if it were just someone you knew, you'd feel sorry for them. But if it were my loved one, I would be mad at the family for putting something like that out. I think actually one of the most insulting things was Jimmy Carter's family. As Jimmy Carter was dying and really not conscious, they rolled him out for display of the cameras after having just voted. And it's a sad time. Look, Jimmy Carter wasn't a great president. He was a great humanitarian, I think, and not a bad person after the presidency, he should have been remembered for that. And instead, I can't shake the image of, you know, his mouth open, unconscious, and his idiot family parading him out there in front of cameras to say, just voted. You know, that's kind of what they did to Biden for four years. And it would have been much better. And, you know, he could have been remembered, you know, I guess, at least just for being a crook, you know, as a vice president instead of, you know, being a bumbling president.
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Buck Sexton
Do you believe that they found out on Friday that he had stage four cancer?
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Rand Paul
You know, maybe. And I don't really fault people as much for this. If you've looked into prostate cancer and a lot of men have looked into the pros and cons of the blood testing, it really has evolved and changed a lot. See, they used to have everybody at 40 start taking a PSA, but then they started finding elevated PSAs and people having their prostates removed, which is not a benign receiver procedure. And it's sort of unclear whether they were early cancers that might have stayed hidden for dozens of years. And so the numbers of surgeries have skyrocketed. Then they decided after 70, you're more likely to die from something else. They say, don't take the PSA at all. And so it's weird because we all have this mortality and we like, I'm 71, feel pretty healthy. I think I should get a PSA or I'm 82 and feel healthy. Maybe I'll get a PSA or maybe I'll just roll the dice. I'm getting older, I'm going to die from something. So these are, they're difficult and personal decisions. So I don't fault him for any of that. And I think there is a chance he did know. They said he got a PSA that was probably normal back when he was 71. And it's a slow going cancer. And there's, you know, he's 82 or 83. And, you know, the downside to the surgeries are a lot of different side effects from the surgeries. The surgery is not a perfect surgery by any means. And so I don't know, I guess I don't fault him because I think the decision making process is a very personal one that a lot of men are having to go through. And really it's not an easy one because it's not.
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Clay Travis
Can I ask you really quickly about Dr. Paul Sar. Senator Paul. Dr. Paul. My own, my own father, by the way, had had to go through this. So a lot of us listening, it's very, it's very personal and exactly what you're talking about. But why is this happening to so many? This is, we're now at a point where men are being told something like what 70% or 80% of them will have some form of prostate canc. This can't be normal. Do you have any, any working theory as to what's going on?
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Rand Paul
It actually, it actually is kind of normal. They've done a natural study of the natural course of the disease. And when they do autopsies of men in their 70s who die for other reasons, you just die. And they take 100 people who died and they look at their prostates. It is like 70% of them have cancer in the prostate but never had any symptoms. It didn't spread anywhere in their body and they died from something else. That's why it's a difficult decision. If it were just a breast biopsy or a Lumpectomy that they did, the prostate, you didn't have to worry about all the other possible problems. It wouldn't be such a big deal. But since the surgery is a pretty dramatic thing, you obviously don't want to do the surgery on people who don't need to have it.
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Clay Travis
So a hundred. A hundred years ago, we think as many men were having this issue as today. I'm asking. Honestly, I have no idea.
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Rand Paul
Yeah, probably. But 100 years ago, you know, the average life expectancy was 45. And so because we live longer, there's going to be a lot more people with it. But it's even worse than that. They apparently have done autopsy studies of men who die in their 20s, and I've seen at least one report saying 8% of men in their 20s already have a form of prostate cancer. So that makes you wonder if it's more hyperplasia or something that's not quite cancer, that maybe our grading system needs to be better refined to figure out when we need to do surgery and when we don't. So it is a complicated subject. I guess. I don't fault him for it because, look, he's 82 and he's had 12 years without having to deal with any of the symptoms of having the surgery. And I don't know. I don't know what would have been better. And nobody really. I don't know. There's a lot of ifs, ands, or buts about how to make the decision. The guy that invented the PSA was a test with a chairman of the department at Stanford for many years, and he finally came to the conclusion at the end that PSA is also related to a benign enlargement of the prostate as well as cancer. And it's difficult to distinguish because men's prostate gets bigger over time. And that's why most older men have trouble with urinary symptoms. But it's not all cancer. A lot of it's benign. And because the surgery is involved, you got to decide, do I want to, you know, do I want to watch it? Do I want to do surgery? And it's. It's a difficult decision for a lot of men.
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Clay Travis
Senator Paul. Dr. Paul, wearing both hats today for us. Thank you so much for coming on the show, sir.
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Rand Paul
Thank you.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
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Rand Paul
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a.
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Clay Travis
Massive scandal that looked like it might.
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Buck Sexton
Bring down his presidency.
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Clay Travis
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Rand Paul
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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