Hour 1 - Stealing American Citizenship

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 - Stealing American Citizenship

Date: April 1, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode centers on the Supreme Court’s oral arguments regarding birthright citizenship and the Trump administration’s effort to redefine constitutional citizenship by executive order. Clay and Buck dissect the legal and historic roots of the issue, express concern over the phenomenon of “birth tourism,” and critique what they see as congressional and judicial failures to address loopholes in the U.S. citizenship system. They also speculate on the wider consequences of the upcoming Supreme Court decision and share their frustrations, laced with humor and wariness about April Fools’ Day pranks.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. April Fools’ Day Jokes and Show Opener

• Both hosts share how April Fools’ Day led to confusion in their office, with a story about a fake box of puppies.
• They note that in an age of AI and misinformation, it’s harder than ever to tell truth from fiction on April 1st.
• [01:32] Buck Sexton: “April Fools is on steroids now. You basically can’t believe anything you hear all day.”

2. Supreme Court Arguments: Birthright Citizenship

• The main focus: Oral arguments in the Supreme Court regarding whether children born in the U.S. to foreign nationals are entitled to citizenship (“birthright citizenship”).
• Trump administration’s solicitor general (John Sauer) argued for restricting citizenship and highlighted large numbers of “birth tourism” companies, especially from China.

Notable Quotes:

• [04:05] John Sauer (Solicitor General): “Media reported as early as 2015 that... there are 500 birth tourism companies in China whose business is to bring people here to give birth in return to that nation.”

• [04:42] Buck Sexton: “There is a systematic scamming of American citizenship going on at scale today just with Chinese birth tourism alone... It’s a business to scam American citizenship right now.”

• [05:37] Clay Travis: “What did congressmen and women in 1868 intend when it came to addressing citizenship in the 14th Amendment for a situation they never could have conceived of in a modern day? ...I think the Supreme Court is going to say President Trump doesn’t have the executive authority to enforce this interpretation.”

Legal and Historical Analysis:

• Key Legal Debate: Does the 14th Amendment mandate automatic citizenship for anyone born on U.S. soil, even if their parents are not citizens?
• Both hosts are skeptical the Trump administration will prevail and expect the Supreme Court to affirm birthright citizenship.
  • [09:00] Buck Sexton: “They clearly have the power to [change the law]. They could even do a constitutional amendment if they wanted to, but they don’t.”

Criticism of Congress and the Courts:

• Congress is accused of refusing to take responsibility; relying instead on the courts or executive actions.
  • [08:00-09:00] Clay Travis: “President Trump is trying to solve the issue because he knows Congress can’t – or rather, won’t.”
• The hosts warn that a Supreme Court decision upholding birthright citizenship will worsen the problem by encouraging more birth tourism.

Sovereignty and National Identity Concerns:

• [10:43] Buck Sexton: “You want us to die for this place... It has to be more than a welfare state, a soup kitchen and an economic zone... No country can sustain that.”

3. The International Context & Dual Citizenship

• U.S. seen as an international outlier—most modern nations don’t grant citizenship by soil alone.
  • [35:25] John Sauer: “The United States rule of nearly unrestricted birthright citizenship is an outlier among modern nations.”
• Buck argues for ending dual citizenship – “You can be an American citizen, and that is it.” [11:54]

4. National Security Hypotheticals and Political Ramifications

• Clay presents hypotheticals: What if China encouraged a million of its U.S.-born citizens (children born during birth tourism) to move en masse to a small state, swaying elections? Could they run for President?
  • [21:11] Clay Travis: “If there are a million American citizens in China... Those million people could just move to Wyoming and take over the state... and make it a communist state.”
  • [24:18] Buck Sexton/Clay Travis: Discuss the “Manchurian Candidate” scenario—foreign-born individuals with little U.S. connection but full citizenship rights, including presidential eligibility.

5. Communication & Legal Advocacy Concerns

• Both hosts critique Solicitor General John Sauer’s communication skills during oral argument, arguing that clear advocacy matters in a world where social media amplifies clips.
  • [05:37] Clay Travis: “His voice is awful... so much of this is going to spread now on social media... The US Solicitor General—Sauer. You couldn’t understand him at all.”

6. Broader Cultural Frustration

• The hosts lament that being American is “being reduced to a piece of paper,” and that citizenship is treated as “the proceeds of crime.”

  • [28:00] Buck Sexton: “This is a Supreme Court ruling that essentially says citizenship can be the proceeds of crime. You can lawfully steal citizenship is what the Supreme Court will be saying.”

• They add: U.S. citizenship is being exploited as an “insurance policy” for foreign nationals, while legal immigrants who fully adopt American culture have fewer political rights (e.g., running for President).

• [30:12] Buck Sexton and Clay Travis: Engage in some light debate over who among their audience members has been both to “Civil War sleep-away camp” and an in-person Supreme Court argument.

7. Call for Legislative Solutions

• Clay hints at proposing a potential legislative fix for the issue in the next hour, teasing further discussion.

• [29:42] Clay Travis: Reads President Trump’s real-time reaction, quoting Trump: “We are the only country in the world, all caps, stupid enough to allow birthright citizenship.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “April Fools is on steroids now. You basically can't believe anything. Almost you hear all day.”
  — Buck Sexton [01:32]

• “Media reported as early as 2015 that... there are 500 birth tourism companies in China whose business is to bring people here to give birth in return to that nation.”
  — John Sauer (Solicitor General) [04:05]

• “There is a systematic scamming of American citizenship... just with Chinese birth tourism alone.”
  — Buck Sexton [04:42]

• “President Trump is trying to solve the issue because he knows Congress can't – well, they won't. I'm not sure can't is competent.”
  — Clay Travis [08:00]

• “You want us to die for this place... It has to be more than a welfare state, a soup kitchen and an economic zone.”
  — Buck Sexton [10:43]

• “If there are a million American citizens in China... Those million people could just move to Wyoming and take over the state... and make it a communist state.”
  — Clay Travis [21:11]

• “This is a Supreme Court ruling that essentially says citizenship can be the proceeds of crime. You can lawfully steal citizenship is what the Supreme Court will be saying with this.”
  — Buck Sexton [28:00]

• “We are the only country in the world all caps stupid enough to allow birthright citizenship.”
  — President Trump (paraphrased by Clay) [29:42]

• “The United States rule of nearly unrestricted birthright citizenship is an outlier among modern nations.”
  — John Sauer (Solicitor General) [35:25]

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Segment Timestamps

• [01:32] – April Fools’ pranks and the challenge of separating fact from fiction.
• [03:18] – Transition to serious discussion of Supreme Court birthright citizenship case.
• [04:05]–[05:37] – Audio of Solicitor General’s argument on birth tourism; hosts critique communication and legal merits.
• [08:00]–[10:43] – Analysis of legal deadlock and likelihood of Supreme Court upholding birthright citizenship; critique of Congress.
• [11:54]–[14:18] – Dual citizenship and national loyalty concerns.
• [15:03]–[16:30] – Hypothetical scenarios on foreign-born citizens swaying state politics/elections.
• [19:24]–[21:11] – Reiteration of oral argument highlights; fears of expanded birth tourism.
• [24:18]–[25:10] – “Manchurian Candidate” scenario; loyalty and eligibility for President.
• [28:00] – “Stealing citizenship”; Congress’s duty to act.
• [29:42] – Trump’s in-person attendance at Supreme Court and real-time reaction.
• [35:00]–[36:26] – U.S. compared with rest of world on birthright citizenship; historical roots.
• [End of Episode] – Teaser for legislative solutions and upcoming guest.

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Tone and Style

The show balances serious, urgent discussion on national policy with the hosts’ typical wry humor and direct style. Clay is more legalistic, citing history and legal process, while Buck takes a combative national security angle. Both express a mix of exasperation and patriotic concern, underscoring the gravity of the issue and what they see as its long-term consequences for American identity.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• Main takeaway: The hosts are alarmed by widespread abuse of U.S. birthright citizenship, namely birth tourism, and believe current law and political inertia threaten national cohesion and security. They lay blame on both Congress and, potentially, the Supreme Court, anticipating a ruling that will further enshrine automatic citizenship for those born on U.S. soil.
• What’s next: Clay promises to outline a legislative solution next hour; the show will also welcome Rep. Jim Jordan for further insights.

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End of Summary – Hour 1: Stealing American Citizenship

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome in, everybody, to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Oh, my. Got some big stuff to get into. First up here, the Trump administration. The president is threatening to pull out of NATO. Going to be giving a speech tonight at 9 o' clock addressing the nation about this whole situation in Iran. And I am sure, I think everyone sure, he is going to have some very tough words for our NATO allies. And we shall give you some of those details of where that all stands. Updates, of course, on the ongoing Iran air war, which is really what this is. So we'll discuss that with you in detail. But Clay and I both spent the morning drinking our Crockett coffee.

[Clay Travis]

It's accurate.

[Buck Sexton]

There you go.

[Clay Travis]

It's important to add the Crockett coffee because it's April Fools. People could be like, holy cow, what are we stepping into today?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm getting hit with crazy. So producer Alley totally with a haymaker at me. First thing this morning, I wake up and she says that she found a box of puppies and can we help people adopt them? And she knows. I'm like, oh, you found puppies. Go, I'll help out. I'm all excited about it. I'm like, let's find people to adopt the puppies. She unked me. She unked me big time.

[Clay Travis]

I knew. So this is. You have not heard the update on this. So I immediately thought, okay, this is. I bought that producer Ali could have a box of puppies. And my first thought was, we'll just give them away to listeners. And there will be. It'll be kind of a fun, nice thing to do. And then I love how you saw

[Buck Sexton]

it as a brand oppo. Right away.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, immediately. Immediately I was like, well, you know, let's give the puppies away to listeners. That'll be a happy thing. Because it's not always happy talk on this, on the show. And then she said she was bringing him to the studio. And I was like, this is April Fool So it was that part that I was like. And by the way, this is the part you don't know yet, Buck. And we'll get into all the serious stuff. Producer, I think it was producer Mike has a grandson. He told his wife has been begging for a puppy. This is, this is what Ali has created. Told his wife that he was going to bring a puppy home for the seven year old. And now the seven year old is crushed because there isn't actually a puppy because producer Ally tried to pull an April Fool's joke. And now There's a crushed 7 year old in New York who was expected a puppy. So, so your April Fool's jokes, I saw your tweet. It is true. You got got. Already so many people are getting got, AI and plus a lot of credulous people. There is just a April Fools is on steroids now. You basically can't believe anything. Almost you hear all day.

[Buck Sexton]

Now this is not an April Fools. So we can get back into this now. I'm giving you. We're in an April Fool's free session for a moment here because as we were drinking our cracked coffee this morning, we're listening to the Supreme Court oral arguments on this birthright citizenship case. And Clay, there's a lot going on here. To me, I know you listened. I was listening. Here is the, at least the crux of the argument for me was put out by US Solicitor General John Sawyer and responded to by John Roberts. This is a little less than a minute long, but I want you to hear. This was just argued, you know, in the last hour or so earlier this morning. Supreme court play cut one.

[John Sauer (Solicitor General)]

The media reports indicate estimates could be over 1 million or 1.5 million from the People's Republic of China alone. The congressional report that we cited in our brief talks about certain hotspots like Russian elites coming to Miami through these tourism companies. And here's, here's, here's the fact about it that I think is striking. Media reported as early as 2015 that based on Chinese media reports, there are 500, 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth in return to that nation.

[Buck Sexton]

And Chief Justice John Roberts responded that it's a new world, but it's the same Constitution. And you say to yourself, okay, hold on a second. So Clay, the Solicitor General lays out here that there are 8 billion people in the world and it's really easy to come to America. And there is a systematic scamming of American citizenship that is going on at scale today just with Chinese birth tourism alone. We're not even talking about anchor babies coming across the border and all that. And the response of John Roberts is basically, yeah, man, times change. They're as American as apple pie. You grew up in Beijing for 18 years. You apply to UCLA. When you're an adult, you're not just getting in state tuition. You're an American. As American as you, me, and every American listening right now. I just think that's an untenable position, but that may be where the Supreme Court's going.

[Clay Travis]

I got so many thoughts on this, and I cranked up the television and I just tweeted some of them out if you want to go read it. But obviously, to me, let's start with the guy's voice. He cannot be the Solicitor General. And look, I'm saying this as a lawyer, he may be a brilliant legal mind. As I watched this argument play out, Buck, and you just heard it a little bit, the number one job of an oral advocate is to be an elite oral advocate. His voice is awful. And so much of you know this, but I think this is important so much because you don't have cameras in the courtroom. Almost all of this is going to spread now on social media, in the marketplace of ideas. There's going to be a bunch of clips. All of the justices were crisp, articulate, you may not agree with them, but their voices sounded and were completely intelligible. This guy, the US Solicitor General. Sauer. Is it Sauer or Sawyer? I don't know how it's pronounced. S A U E R. I mean,

[Buck Sexton]

Sig Sauer would be the gun company. So I'd say Sauer is a good choice.

[Clay Travis]

That sour. You couldn't understand him at all. And I think this, given that President Trump is elite when it comes to communication, I'm stunned that this guy is the advocate for this policy. Now, that is on the pure optics. The way that the argument gets out the law basically here, Buck, what they're debating is what did congressmen and women in 1868 that have been dead for 150 years intend when it came to addressing citizenship in the 14th Amendment for a situation that they never could have conceived of in a modern day. Birth, tourism, all of these different things, I think. And I want all of you to prepare yourselves for this. I think the Supreme Court is going to say President Trump doesn't have the executive authority to be able to enforce this interpretation of the 14th Amendment. Unfortunately, Buck, I think this is going to enshrine Birthright citizenship as a constitutional right to. And again, there's two different types. There's birth, there's citizenship by your parents, and there's by soil. What is the issue here is by soil. In other words, if you cross over the border and have a baby in Texas from Mexico, your kid is just as American as anybody out there who's been in this country for hundreds of years and has both parents born here. Buck, my big issue is this is actually going to make birthright citizenship worse. Because now all those 500 companies that Sauer was citing are going to say, the U.S. supreme Court has said this is the law and the land. Get into the United States by any means possible. Pregnant women have a baby there. Your kids are citizens just like you and me for the rest of their life. Here's the ultimate indictment, though, Buck, and this is a lot of people are not going to focus on this. Congress can't fix it. Everybody's going to blame the Supreme Court. They're trying to apply an 1868 law based on an executive argument made by President Trump that is novel. President Trump is trying to solve the issue because he knows Congress can't. Well, they won't. I'm not sure can't is competent.

[Buck Sexton]

They choose not to. Right. I mean, they clearly have the power to. They could even do a constitutional amendment if they wanted to, but they don't. Because Democrats ultimately are across the board. Every Democrat. It is a. It is an article of faith in the Democrat Party that the birth tourism baby born here. And by the way, it's conspiracy to lie on your visa. It's conspiracy to lie. You know, if you're interacting with customs and Border Patrol about your purpose of your visit, I mean, there's all kinds of legal issues with that, too. But then you return to China, and this is the perfect example. This, because it is happening. We know it's happening at scale. It's a business. It is a business to scam American citizenship right now. People go to prison for it. It's a crime. So this is actually happening. And what the Democrat Party believes and you cannot deviate from this, is, yes, the person who was born here, who then goes back to China and is part of a conspiracy to defraud the American government, is as American as apple pie, as American as anybody else, and gets all the rights. You know, you want us to die for this place. It has to be. You want us to be willing to give our lives in the military. It has to be more than a welfare state, a soup kitchen and an economic zone. And they're, they're really toying with making a lot of us just say, I'm sorry, what is it that this country represents again? What is it to be an American? Is it just a joke? It's just a piece of paper that we can give to anybody for any reason. That's. No country can sustain that. Whatever they tell you, no country can endure. They will have eroded sovereignty, the point of no return.

[Clay Travis]

And again, there probably are going to be some people who come on shows today and tell you, oh, this went great. President Trump's order is in fantastic shape. It's not going to happen. I would love to be wrong. And in June, if this decision comes down or whenever it's going to come down, then I will be happy to come on here and say, wow, this is one of the most transformative decisions Supreme Court's ever made. This is the right decision, but I think they're not going to try. And again, the history nerd in me love that they're analyzing debates from 1868 to try to determine what the law was and is as it pertains to citizenship. What I would say is an immutable fact, is if you could go back in time to 1868 in your time machine and you could say to every member of Congress in 1868, hey, guys, by 2026, they're going to be debating what you guys intend for people who hop on airplanes or people who illegally come into this country and have a baby and then go back to live in other countries, whether those people are American citizens or not. They would have unanimously said, of course they aren't.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is also why subject to the jurisdiction thereof is so important. And there was a lot of debate and a lot of back and forth about this specifically. So, and I'm just going to say this, this is why we should not have dual citizenship in this country. For any country, you can be an American citizen, and that is it. And when you look at why we have dual citizenship, the arguments are super weak. So it should be. Because keep in mind, also, if you're a U.S. citizen and a citizen of another country, we have extraterritorial taxation. So wherever you are around the world, you're subject to U.S. taxes. This is, this is. To me, Clay, you boil this down to whether being an American has any meaning beyond something that can be effectively stolen through part of a criminal conspiracy, which is what birth tourism is, for example, and whether being an American is something that will reward people for violations of law, which let's Keep in mind, an anchor baby. The parents broke the law, and what happens is, they break the law, the kid's a citizen, and then the whole family gets sponsored through chain migration to come into this country. So it's not just for that kid who gets citizenship. They go to the front of the immigration line, and this is how this country is supposed to work. And by the way, all these things about doing the jobs we won't do and all this other stuff. Not true. And if anything, welfare usage much higher among the new arrivals. There's all kinds of questions about what happens to assimilation processes in a country that's bringing in tens of millions of people in a short period of time. We brought 10 million illegals in under the Biden administration. You're gonna tell me that we can handle that through what we have thought of as assimilation in this country? Every wave of migration in America in the past, Clay, has resulted in a period of clampdown where we're like, all right, that's enough. Yeah, we gotta all kind of live together and figure things out for a while. We're gonna turn this country into a joke, into a giant. It's just gonna be, like I said, one giant soup kitchen. Show up here, have your baby. By the way, taxpayer expense. Oh, and whatever medical issues you have. Taxpayer expense. Because, you know, we got nothing but money to spend. It's not like we're running a $30 trillion deficit, so. Or debt, rather. Sorry. This is something that I think people need to really take very seriously. But I agree with you. I'm not John Roberts. This whole thing. John Roberts is basically like, is this insane? Yeah, tough. That's the deal. We didn't really get to that part in. In that clip, but that is, unfortunately, what his attitude was.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. And again, I come back to. This is where Congress today, you know, it's figuring, this is one of the flaws of originalism. Right. For those of. I can go on and on about this, but you're trying to determine the intent of people based on a conception of a concept that they never could have conceptualized. Now, I can say I feel very confident. Everybody in 1868 would have considered this interpretation of what they did today to be insane, but they're not here to tell us. And unfortunately, Congress, which can act in theory, is incapable of addressing what is an existential threat to the country. And by the way, Buck, has anybody even really thought about this?

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I don't like incapable, Clay. They're capable. They won't do it because Democrats don't

[Clay Travis]

agree they have the power. Unwilling. Here's the other thing. Has anybody ever really thought about this? If there are a million illegal A million American citizens in China, Think about this for a sec. Those million people could just move to Wyoming and take over the state of Wyoming or any other small western state and make it a communist state. Does anybody ever?

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Let's dive into this more. We'll get into some of the implications of the argument. I do want to give you a positive news story today as we talked about yesterday with NASA's the head of NASA, Isaacman I believe was his last name. They are going to launch Artemis 2, which will be the first return trip to the moon for astronauts that we have seen in decades. Here's another cool story associated with that buck SpaceX has just filed, according to the Wall Street Journal, to have an IPO in July. It will be the largest IPO in the history of the world. And Elon Musk has now become better at sending rockets to space by and large than NASA. I think this is on the flip side of the birthright citizenship argument. I think this is an incredible human technological achievement, one that will be quite celebrated for a Very, very long time to come. And kind of a cool symmetry that the IPO news comes out on the day of Artemis 2's return to orbit the moon. So that is very positive. Now we'll open up phone lines. Also, talkbacks may be the fastest way to get through it. You want to nerd out some nerd questions on birthright citizenship. Both Buck and I watched the arguments this morning. We agree it's a supremely significant case and the implications are huge. What for those of you who watched Struck stood out to you and what might the implications be going forward? We will discuss with all of you. Yesterday I was walking around in my backyard with one of my tree guys and I said, hey, fast growing trees. I got so many places I want trees. Let's walk around. You tell me where we can plant trees. We just moved to three acres. I'm excited to have some land around me. I'm looking out my backyard right now at places that I want to put trees in. And I told my guy, I said, let's get rolling with fast growing trees. You tell me what the right trees are to plant. And I cannot wait to get rolling here in the springtime season. And so many of you are like me. Trust me. Go to Fast Growing Trees right now. Get hooked up trees, shrubs, plants, whatever you want for your home and your region. Alive and thrive. Guarantee 20% off everything with code clay fast growing trees dot com. That's fast growing trees dot com. Check them out. Awesome site. Code clay for 20% off.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. All right, so there's a lot of the oral arguments this morning. Supreme Court, we're talking about this birthright citizenship case. Trump administration has an executive order on it. We want to play this back and forth. We started it before it had a little misfire on the audio. We're going to hit it with hit it a second time and this time it's going to break through. You're going to hear it because I think this really just summarizes the two sides pretty much in one clip. Play Cut 1.

[John Sauer (Solicitor General)]

Based on Chinese media reports, there are 500, 500 birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China whose business is to bring people here to give birth and return to, to, to that nation.

[Buck Sexton]

Having said all that, you do agree that that has no impact on the legal analysis before us.

[John Sauer (Solicitor General)]

I think it's, I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent where they had where like their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century. Framers of this amendment. I think that shows that they've mess their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it certainly wasn't a problem in the 19th century.

[John Sauer (Solicitor General)]

No, but of course we're in a new world now, as just Toledo pointed out, to where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a, a child who's a U.S. citizen.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's a new world. It's the same constitution. Eight billion people, anyone can come here, have a baby, leave as American as apple pie. Roberts is like, yeah, tough deal with it. Clay, your mic I think is off right now. But, or at least I couldn't hear you. I don't think they could hear you either. But the point here being there is an issue for sure when you can have.

[Clay Travis]

Can you hear me now?

[Buck Sexton]

Now we can. Yes. Everyone wants they were on bated breath for your brilliant analysis. Dive in, sir.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, look, I, I, I think we can talk implications going forward because I think everyone out there needs to prepare themselves for the fact that the Supreme Court is now going to make birthright citizenship the law of the land. And if you thought birthright citizenship tourism was a problem before, I'm afraid this is going to put it on steroids because now all over China, all over Mexico, all over Latin America, they're going to be saying get to America. If you're nine months pregnant and your kid is an American citizen, you can hop on a plane three months later, bring that baby back home. Heck, you can hop on I don't. You can travel pretty quickly nowadays after having a baby, get back to your home country. And I just want you to think about this for a moment. We talk a lot about sleeper cells, right? The, the entire concept of like you've talked about back in the day Russia would and they made the great television show the Americans where you brought in spies and they lived here and you had no idea were Think about this for a minute. If those numbers are right, if there are a million Chinese kids that are growing up right now in China that happen to be born in the United States and spend a few days here and then went straight back to China, think about what would happen if China one day said, hey, we're going to send all of those 1 million of American citizens that are Chinese, right? May not speak English at all, never spend a moment here, said we're going to infiltrate America using birthright citizenship. China communist country said we're going to now it's going to be millions more, right? They're going to be millions and Millions of people who are Chinese that have American citizenship and they're going to send them buck, you could take over. We got a lot of people listening in north and South Dakota. We got people listening in Wyoming. Those states don't have very many people. You could legitimately have a situation where China's policy was, we're taking over Wyoming, South Dakota and North Dakota with Chinese entirely Chinese people who are, by virtue of having been born here for one day, American. And we're going to turn north and South Dakota and Wyoming and Montana and all these states that don't have very much population, we're going to turn them into communist states and we're going to take over the United States by virtue of our ability to take advantage of birthright citizenship. Now, some of you might say, that's crazy. Some of you might say, oh, that's outlandish. Somebody's going to clip it and they're going to be. Look at what they're talking about on conservative radio. We have created a situation where millions of people that are not American, right, never raised here, have no connection whatsoever to the country, are able to come here and potentially take over some of our states, some of our elections. And we're also creating a situation where all those people could run for president, China could send. You talk about Manchurian.

[Buck Sexton]

A Manchurian Candidate situation.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you're. I mean, you're talking about people, by

[Buck Sexton]

the way, is in the book Manufacturing Delusion. The whole notion of how you could brainwash people. Do you know about this place? It's a really interesting period in history. The turncoats, Americans who were taken prisoner during the Korean War. And there were a number of them, not many, but a number of them who wanted to stay in China even after there was a prisoner swap that was supposed to happen. And this, by the way, led to Comden's book, the Manchurian Candidate, this whole thing, because these guys had been put through thought reform camps and then they did these public pronouncements of how America was using chemical weapons or, I'm sorry, biological weapons and doing these terrible things that were total lies. They were used as. They were willingly used as propaganda pieces. A big deal.

[Clay Travis]

Well, this was. I mean, one of the great television shows out there was Homeland, right. And there was a modern version of that. This guy's taken prisoner by Muslim terrorist and then he converts to Islam. And then the question is, is he loyal to America? Former American soldier. It's great show, particularly season one, if you're, you know, that's been out for 15 years or whatever the heck at 20 years now and phenomenal show. But Buck, think about that. We can't elect Elon Musk President of the United States. Elon Musk. We just said SpaceX going public. Brilliant guy, great capitalist, born in South South Africa. I think Elon, many of you would say, has embraced many of the excellent natures of America. He is now an American citizen, but by virtue of him not having been born on the soil, he is ineligible to ever be President of the United States. There are millions of Chinese kids, millions of them that have never spent more than a day or two in the United States, who are eligible to be elected President of the United States because they happen to be born here. And on top of that, Buck, they're also coming back and taking tons of American college spots. They're applying as American citizens to American universities and they have virtually no connection at all. We are being exploited. We're being taken advantage of. Now, again, people are going to blame the Supreme Court for the way that they interpret the 14th amendment. What I would say is this is why we have a Congress. President Trump is trying to do what the most that he can to fix this. He put the executive order in place. He recognizes the issue, he's trying to address it and he's trying to fix it. But I think the Supreme Court is going to say he doesn't have the authority to override what they believe is the interpretation historically of the 14th Amendment. Also important, Buck, this is only prospective. It doesn't deal with anything. All the people that have been born by soil in the United States are still citizens. So they're not even. The Trump argument is just that prospectively, it doesn't apply. All of the, all of the past, millions of people who have become citizens, their, their citizenship is un. Unaffected, but their Congress sees this issue. This is why so many of you are so frustrated. And this is where I get so angry, sees this issue. And Democrats are of the opinion that they want more of this. My concern is the Supreme Court opinion is going to give Democrats what they want because they're not going to address this in Congress. They're going to allow this to become the law of the land. And as a result, I think we're going to see more birth tourism and more foreigners taking advantage of American by soil citizenship.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, at least at that point, and this is not much of a silver lining, but we'll be able to, to your point about Congress, say this needs to be fixed. This is unacceptable. This is a Supreme Court ruling that essentially says Citizenship can be the proceeds of crime. You can steal, you can lawfully steal citizenship is what the Supreme Court will be saying with this. And let me just say, people have been doing that. That is what anchor babies are. That is what birth poorism is. It is the stealing of citizenship because you are conspiring and breaking American law to get to that place. And at that point, at least you can say, Democrats will have to look the American, you know, whatever that means. Look the American people in the eye and say, you know what? Yeah, this is what we think being an American is. It's really just kind of a joke. It's just you're here and we get to take from some according to ability and give to some according to need. I mean, that's the whole game. There's, there's nothing that binds us together other than the Democrat or the, the state machine, the apparatus.

[Clay Travis]

President Trump has weighed in. He was at the oral arguments, if we didn't say that earlier, which I believe is the first time that a president they believe has ever attended an oral argument at the Supreme Court. Buck, have you ever been to the Supreme Court and watched an argument? No, I have been once. Very cool experience to get to go and see in person.

[Buck Sexton]

And cooler experience watching Supreme Court argument. Civil War camp.

[Clay Travis]

Am I the only.

[Buck Sexton]

Let me just say Clay Travis is paused. He's like, I just, we just heard the record scratch at the party that Clay Travis describes. Decision making process.

[Clay Travis]

I actually was just about to say, Buck, There are what, 350 million Americans. AM I the only American who has been to Civil War sleepaway camp and watched a Supreme Court oral argument in person?

[Buck Sexton]

No, I think a lot of Civil War sleepaway camp nerds have probably done the Supreme Court oral arguments. I don't think that's unusual.

[Clay Travis]

Maybe you're right. I don't think that many people go to the Supreme Court. It's hard to get in. I went as a member of the media, so that was very cool. I think. I actually think it's pretty cool that President Trump went. It's illustrative of how important he thinks this issue is. He just posted, buck, we are the only country in the world all caps stupid enough to allow birthright citizenship. President Donald J. Trump. So I think President Trump is smart enough, having said and watched those arguments, to recognize that he is likely to lose. And I think he wanted to be there to illustrate and make the historical point of why this is so significant. And again, I actually think Republicans are doing a poor job on this issue. Aisha hasn't he posted this And I thought it was pretty well said. She's at Fox News and she was kind of building on on this situation. I've seen Bert Tour, this is Aisha Hasni. I've seen birth tourism up close. It's a total abuse of the system. Think about it. Someone like me who was not born in the United States but has lived here Since I was 6 years old Will never be able to run for president. But a child born here through birth tourism, then taken back and raised in their parents country, never growing up with American values somehow can. American citizenship is not an insurance policy. I think that's really well said by her and this is, I just think it's such a huge seismic flaw and and we are setting ourselves up to be taken advantage of. And to you, Buck, I mean I think it's a good way of phrasing it. They're stealing American citizenship. This is a form of fraud being perpetrated against all of us. And the Supreme Court I think is going to make it more common because they're now going to say the law of the land is if you can get here, if you can make it to American soil and be born, doesn't matter anything else, you're a citizen for the rest of your life. Heck, you can be president of the United States. Look, you own a house, you're going to have occasional maintenance and when it comes to your roof, you don't want to skimp on that. Erie home is a 50 year old company that specializes in making sure one of your most valuable assets is protected. They will inspect your roof for any problems free of charge using a 25 point inspection they've developed over their many years in business. If your roof needs replacement, Erie Home offers all kinds of options, including the use of newer metal materials that are made to mimic the look of the roof. And you're likely to have. Now whether that's dimensional shingles, wood shake, barrel tiles, your new roof will look great and it will come with a 50 year transferable warranty. Schedule your free [e-mail] clay today. $1200 off any installation work that needs to be done. That's E r I e home.com Clay offer of $1,200 off valid for new roof installations only. Valid on new roofing installation only. 2 minimum purchase required restrictions apply. C rep for warranty or promotional details. When you preset the Clay and Buck show on the iHeartRadio app, it's like political dopamine at your fingertips. Whenever you Want it. Clay and Buck on the free iHeartRadio app. Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK Sexton Show. We got a ton of calls. We'll get to some of these calls, I promise you, because some of you are going to have smart questions. And I've got a potential solution that I will share at the top of the next hour that could make sense prospectively going forward. But I do think this discussion is important. And again, I'm not happy with John Sauer, the solicitor general, because I think when you guys hear him making this argument, you're going to say, look, the guy's an oral advocate and that legitimately means his job is to speak. Well, RFK Jr. Is would not be able to host this radio show. That doesn't mean that I don't think RFK Jr. Has good ideas. But we talk for a living and communication on the radio. You have to be able to understand what we are saying. This argument is important, even more so on social media, because all these arguments are going to be clipped and they're going to circulate and it's going to be a part of the marketplace of ideas. And I don't think that President Trump's solicitor General, John Sauer, is able to advocate for the president's perspective as well as he should be able to because of his voice. I'm going to play it. You guys are going to understand this, but it is important. You want to talk about history. The United States is actually a historical outlier now in terms of allowing birthright citizenship by soil. Listen to cut 4.

[Buck Sexton]

There are people who are subject to removal at any time if they are apprehended and they go through the proper procedures, but they have, in their minds, made a permanent home here and have established roots. And that raises a humanitarian problem. And I wonder if you could address

[John Sauer (Solicitor General)]

that on the humanitarian point. I would point out, as I said at the beginning, Justice Alito, that the United States rule of nearly unrestricted birthright citizenship is an outlier among modern nations. It's a very small minority of nations that have that rule. For example, every, every nation in Europe has a different role. And the notion that they have a huge humanitarian crisis as a result of not having unrestricted birthright citizenship I don't think is a strong argument.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's important. And again, we've talked about this some. Maybe we'll dive into it a bit. Historically, the legacy of bi soil citizenship is a vestige in north and South America of the colonial era, when if you had a family that decided to get on a ship and come all the way here from England, for instance, they wanted you to still be a subject of the king. So there was fear that if you decided you were going to go make your living in the colonies that you wouldn't one day be able to send your family back to England. That's like a stateless, a stateless person,

[Buck Sexton]

which at that time would be a really bad situation. What do you do then?

[Clay Travis]

So that's why it exists. But modern day Europe, Japan, China, you can't just show up in their country and have a baby and have that baby, become a citizen of that country. Country. It's absolutely outrageous. We'll talk more about this. Everybody who wants to call in loaded lines, you can get through on the talk back. And we'll talk about President Trump's address tonight at 9, maybe a bit about NASA's Artemis 2 launch scheduled for this evening and all of those aspects. Plus, Buck, I will give you what to me would be a legislative solution going forward. All of you can tell me if my idea is moronic, as I'm sure many of you will, but I will tell you what I think could be done nonetheless. That will be at the top of the next hour. And our buddy, Congressman Jim Jordan joining us at the top of the third hour. All that and more. Keep hanging with us. Wednesday Edition. Play and Buck.