Hour 1 - Supply and Demand is a Real Thing

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 1 - Supply and Demand is a Real Thing Release Date: July 8, 2025

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Introduction Clay Travis and Buck Sexton kick off the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show with a live broadcast, highlighting the immediacy and relevance of current events. They inform listeners that President Trump is actively engaged in a cabinet meeting, which serves as a backdrop for the day's discussions.

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**1. Economic Impact of Tariffs The hosts delve into the ongoing administration's tariff policies, emphasizing their unexpected success in generating significant revenue without the predicted price hikes.

• Clay Travis [00:34]: "We've already seen $100 billion come into the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs... Scott Besant, his Treasury secretary, went on to say it is expected soon that there will be more like $300 billion that will come into the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs."
• Pam Bondi [07:01]: "Republcans should start making the argument because inflation comes down. It's like putting on weight... goods have increased in value by about the cost of them has increased by about 25% just over the last five years."

They argue that contrary to predictions, tariffs have not led to widespread price gouging but have instead bolstered federal revenues, challenging the narrative that tariffs inherently harm consumers.

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**2. Immigration and Its Effects on Housing and Public Services A significant portion of the episode focuses on immigration, particularly addressing Mayor Karen Bass's opposition to ICE operations in Los Angeles.

• Clay Travis [04:03]: "Mayor Bass shows up and says that this needs to stop... Their federal agency has no authority to stop them."
• Pam Bondi [08:19]: "Natural laws of supply and demand would suggest they would come down substantially."

The hosts discuss the economic implications of illegal immigration, linking it to rising housing costs and overburdened public services. They assert that removing illegal immigrants would alleviate pressures on housing markets and emergency services, citing that 30% of ER visits in NYC are attributed to illegal immigrants.

• Clay Travis [16:12]: "30% of the ER visits are illegals... the same concepts apply to housing, apply to employment."

They emphasize the importance of enforcing immigration laws and criticize sanctuary cities for undermining federal authority.

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**3. Texas Floods and Presidential Response The discussion shifts to the devastating floods in Texas, critiquing the response and highlighting President Trump's approach.

• Pam Bondi [15:02]: "The awfulness of the flood that happened in Texas continues to be examined... they've asked, please don't be sending drones up into the sky because they had a collision between a helicopter and drones."
• Clay Travis [17:47]: "The BBB has passed, which is great for the economy, but... We're $37 trillion in debt."

They discuss the logistical challenges faced during the disaster response, including the conflict between drones and helicopters in rescue operations, and anticipate President Trump's planned visit to the affected areas.

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**4. Epstein Memo and Intelligence Allegations A substantial segment is dedicated to the recent memo released by the Department of Justice regarding Jeffrey Epstein, featuring Attorney General Pam Bondi.

• Pam Bondi [22:22]: "Your memo and release yesterday in Jeffrey Epstein left some lingering mysteries... did he ever work for an American or foreign intelligence agency?"
• Clay Travis [23:28]: "There is a missing minute. Why didn't we know that before?"

The hosts scrutinize Bondi's responses to questions about Epstein's possible ties to intelligence agencies and the peculiar omission of a minute from the jailhouse tape on the night of Epstein's death. They explore theories suggesting Epstein's potential role in intelligence operations, leveraging his connections for blackmail or intelligence gathering.

• Pam Bondi [32:25]: "I think he likely blackmailed some of these rich guys... potentially with intelligence assets, potentially for blackmail purposes."
• Clay Travis [34:24]: "Epstein was involved in sex trafficking... we have the photo of the guy with the girl and the allegation from the girl."

The hosts express skepticism over the transparency of the DOJ's handling of the Epstein case, questioning the completeness of the released information and the possible concealment of critical details.

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**5. Energy Policy and Upcoming Guest Segment Clay announces upcoming interviews with Energy Secretary Chris Wright and author Selena Zito, indicating a focus on energy policies and the latest political literature, though these segments are not deeply covered in the transcript provided.

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**6. Inflation and Cost of Living Returning to economic discussions, the hosts elaborate on the persistent issue of inflation and its impact on everyday life.

• Buck Sexton [09:50]: "Inflation is like putting on weight. It eventually has to add up."
• Clay Travis [10:57]: "The government influencing the market... racism has made housing stock in LA very hard to build."

They articulate how inflation, coupled with governmental policies like Obamacare and stringent housing regulations, exacerbate the cost of living, making affordability a critical concern for Americans.

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Conclusion Clay and Buck emphasize the tangible effects of supply and demand on various sectors, from housing to employment, reinforcing their call for stringent immigration enforcement and economic policies that foster growth without unintended negative consequences. They close by reiterating the importance of understanding these dynamics to navigate the current economic landscape effectively.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Clay Travis [00:34]: "We're monitoring for the most important moments and we'll bring you those."
• Pam Bondi [03:57]: "Their federal agency has no authority to stop them... if she tries, she's breaking federal law."
• Clay Travis [07:24]: "This is real money. $100 billion here, $100 billion there."
• Pam Bondi [22:25]: "Child porn is what they were never going to be released."
• Clay Travis [34:24]: "We are being told Epstein was the only one, but we have evidence to the contrary."

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Implications for Listeners: This episode provides a critical examination of current presidential policies, particularly focusing on economic measures like tariffs and their unexpected benefits. It also offers a pointed critique of immigration enforcement and its broader socioeconomic impacts. The discussion on the Epstein memo introduces complex questions about government transparency and intelligence operations, inviting listeners to consider the intersections between criminal cases and national security. Overall, the episode encourages a deeper understanding of how supply and demand dynamics influence various facets of American life.

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Note: This summary omits advertisements, commercial segments, and non-content sections to focus solely on the substantive discussions between Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome, everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. Thanks for being with us from all across this great land. Right as we're speaking to you, of course, we are live. President Trump is holding a cabinet meeting. We were watching it right until the moment we had to come on the air. We are monitoring for the most important moments and we'll bring you those. He's continuing to talk about a range of subjects of the obvious President addressing the terrible floods in the hill country of Texas, also discussing matters having to do with the economy and the border, specifically on the economy that we've already seen 100 billion come in of revenue to the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs, the tariffs that we were told would raise the price on everything, which does not seem to have happened at all. And Scott Besant, his Treasury secretary, went on to say it is expected soon that there will be more like $300 billion that will come in to the treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs. $300 billion, a lot of money even for this federal government. That's, you know, 100 billion here, 100 billion there. This is real money. So I think it's interesting to see how the evolution of the conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to not only are tariffs failing to do the price gouging, price increases that we were told, but actually bringing money into the Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting. We've also got some fantastic guests today. Just to give you a heads up about that. The energy secretary, Chris Wright will be with us. Let's talk about what mega make energy great again. How about that? We're going to talk about energy and how this administration is all systems go on tapping into the incredible resources that this nation has more so than ever and getting rid of the red tape and getting rid of the nonsense and getting rid of the green, green new scam nonsense. So we'll discuss that with him. We've also got Selena Zito, author and journalist. She'll be with us. She's got a new book out talking about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. We'll discuss with her what her research found. But, Clay, I want to start with this. Some very interesting things going on in the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass, the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that they need to stop what they're doing. And by that, she means stop enforcing the law. They had an operation where they were going through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up on specifically how many people, how many people they took into custody. But they had this operation where they were going to get illegals. And the mayor of Los Angeles shows up and says that this needs to stop. This is her. This is at MacArthur park as federal agents are raiding the area. This is cut for. Listen to this. Any comment, Mayor Bass?

[Pam Bondi]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

My comment is they need to leave, and they need to leave right now. No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave. They're enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority to stop them, to order them to do anything to them. And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los Angeles is still a part of the United States and therefore falls under federal jurisdiction. And there's just none of this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's out there is creating dangers. I saw those two ambush attempts one time. Icemember shot in the neck. We'll talk about that in a second, Clay. They really think that the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities, that there's some argument to be made that federal law has no real bearing on what's going on just because they say so. This is a very important moment in the rule of law for this country. Yeah.

[Pam Bondi]

And again, it goes to the very basics of the Supremacy Clause, which is why I don't really even understand what the attempt is here. The United States president controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show of, hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call out the guard here in the state of California. And there was one federal district court judge that agreed, and then it immediately got slapped down by the 9th Circuit. And we came on and said, this is kind of a foundational issue. It is a foundational issue that the president of the United States has control over immigration law across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue state or a blue city or not. And a part of me thinks. And tell me if, because I'm trying to think of this strategically. The only way this makes sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested by the President of the United States because that helps you politically when it comes to your standing in the Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city. It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever seen a study on this? Because I would love to see a study on this. Mom, Donnie got elected in New York City, and I see these as all connected or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New York City for the mayorship by basically arguing, rent is too expensive, we need to freeze rent. And really, he argued, products are too expensive, life is too expensive in New York City. You lived in New York City for a while. I don't know what the numbers would reflect. JD Vance made this argument a bit on the debate against Mike Walls. Tim Walls, and then it got shot down. Didn't get much attention beyond that. What would it do to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in New York City?

[Clay Travis]

Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand still matter, even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So, yes, there would be more housing that would open up. This is true in New York City. This is true nationwide. The same way that they say, who's going to work in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed from it? Americans. That's actually what happens.

[Pam Bondi]

That's how supply and demand works.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. This has been fascinating because the rhetorical question that they think they're asking actually has an answer. Who's going to take these jobs? Americans who get paid on the books and a real wage.

[Pam Bondi]

So I would love the fact that we've never really seen a study and maybe some of you have. If we have, according to Tom Holman, 20 million illegals in the United States. That's what he told me a couple of months ago he thought was the actual number. Now. Now some of you are going to say, hey, I think it's 30 or I think it's 40, or whatever the number is. Tom Holman said 20, so I'm going to use 20 as a rough approximation. Those numbers are overwhelmingly slotted in cities like New York, Chicago and la. What would rents do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from the rental universe? To your point, natural laws of supply and demand would suggest they would come down substantially.

[Clay Travis]

It's even worse than that, unfortunately. The city of New York has some of the most oppressive and anti, anti property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some of you live in rent control departments, good for you, but you're actually kind of milking the system. That's just the truth. I had, I, you know, my first, my girlfriend when I was in high school, she lived in a rent control department and when her parents told me what she was paying, I remember I was like, wow, that's like a couple hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment. I was like, that's weird. So look, it's a spoil system and it artificially raises the cost of housing the same way that illegal immigration raises the cost of housing. Here's another one, Clay. They estimate, and they have pretty good numbers on this because they have to bill people. 30% of emergency room visits in New York City last year were illegal immigrants. 30.

[Pam Bondi]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

So if 30% of the ER visits are illegals, now I know you say, oh, but they don't have access to frontline care. That's why they're going, yeah, but what would happen if you didn't have those illegals? You'd have a whole lot more ER capacity, wouldn't you? You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you? The same concepts, the same ideas apply to housing, apply to employment, apply. Because supply and demand is a real thing.

[Pam Bondi]

Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument. Because there are a lot of people out there who feel like goods cost way more than they used to. And that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You eventually have to, you know, you don't ever get typically negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around 2% a year, it's still going to add up. I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since COVID a hundred thousand dollars today, A hundred thousand dollars in 2020, you need 125k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically everything costs about 25% more than it did in 2020, which is a function of inflation because we judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on a multi year basis. So that 9% inflation got perpetually embedded. And so really goods have increased in value by about the cost of them has increased by about 25% just over the last five years.

[Clay Travis]

And you look at what happens when the government starts playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market, whether it's for housing or employment playing these games by allowing illegal immigrants to get, you know, work papers and all these things. It has. It has tremendous cost. Obamacare, this has been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the cost of health care. Everybody. Do you remember that? Does anybody remember that was the big promise. Yeah. You're all going to be covered. Covered, quote, unquote. But it's going to bring down the cost of health care. It didn't do that. Health care is actually just getting more expensive all the time. It's super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind of like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to build new homes in la, new apartment buildings. A million different environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is true in New York City. These places are infringing on the market and causing huge problems. So, yes, with the illegals, despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again for a reason, because they're breaking the law. And I think Tom Homan really got to this when he said that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed to be here. The whole point is this is cut 10. He's like, we're arresting the people who are not supposed to be in the United States. That is the fundamental problem.

[Pam Bondi]

Yeah. And that is cut 10 countries legally.

[Tom Homan]

You're not off the table. I mean, people. I see people, you know, saying, we're arresting non criminals. Well, they're in the country legally. That's our job. And we told ICE agents in process going out looking the bad guy. And this is the problem with sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to go find the criminal, many times are with others, others that may not be a criminal target, but they're in the United States illegally. They're coming, too. We're going to force immigration law. Unlike the last administration where Secretary Mayorkas instructed ice, you can't arrest an illegal alien for simply being here illegally. They got to be arrested. Being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He rewrote the law. That's not what the law says. We're going to force law. That's what the people put President Trump in office to do, and that's what.

[Clay Travis]

We'Re doing, enforce the law.

[Pam Bondi]

And we have shut down the border. But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word, and there's 20 million illegals here, even at 3,000 deportations a day, it would take decades to get that 20 million out of the country. That's the reality. It's why Tom Holman just said hey, we need to bump those numbers up to 7,000 a day. We'll talk more about this. Uh, but I do think the only thing that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping to get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He actually called out for it because they see it as ultimately beneficial in the Democrat Party, even if it's actually detrimental to their city and state, which is a sad place to be. Uh, look, Peace in Israel's fragile Israel's military acted on Sunday against the Houthi rebels after they attacked the ship with materials meant for Israel. Every time Israeli citizens think the threats have been neutralized, the rebels show aggression again. Israelis are still recovering from the missile bombings from Iran that affected thousands of innocent civilians. Your gift to the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews will help provide wide scale food distribution. Along with critical first aid and emergency supplies. These items will help Israel's most vulnerable the sick, the elderly, children and families. The IFCJ is there in Israel, working tirelessly with your donations. Your gift today will also help place new bomb shelters across Israel along with with necessary supplies for existing bomb shelters. Now's the time to save and heal Israel's innocent and most vulnerable. To rush your gift, call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-IFCj. You can also go online at ifcj.org that's ifcj.org Saving America One thought at a time. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Pam Bondi]

Welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW we said that Trump is in a Cabinet meeting and that is going on right now. But the awfulness of the flood that happened in Texas continues to, to, to be explored, to be taken, to be examined. And Trump has tried to stay out of the way. And to the extent that any of you are in that area, they have asked, hey, the money is significant, but please don't be sending drones up into the sky because they had a conflict collision between a helicopter that was trying to save people and drones. Like, I mean, just get out of the way.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Pam Bondi]

Unless you are in, in the, in the safety universe, the first responder universe. And Trump has made that decision himself and he has said, I want to make sure things calm down, that they have done everything they can to rescue as many people. They have stabilized that situation. And, and then he is going to go in and bring the media spotlight to that area to help the recovery process that now is going to happen on Friday. And here he is just announcing that he will be going down on Friday.

[Chris Wright]

Listen, I'll be going down on Friday with first lady be taking a trip and we don't want to get in anyone's way because, you know, that's what happens. The president goes and everyone's around focused on, I don't want anyone to focus on us. But it's possible they could have, they could have some money saved still. You know, a lot of areas, it's a big area and, you know, probably unlikely at this point, but there could be this, they're thinking there could be the possibility, but what A tragic situation.

[Pam Bondi]

Okay, so he is going to go in on Friday. We were just talking off air and we'll probably talk about it some more during the course of today's program. The amount of toxicity surrounding this, it's rare that I'm surprised on social media the number of people that are either directly blaming Trump for the death of kids or even celebrating in some way. I can't believe the number of people I've seen. It's just, it's dark and sinister in a way that is even strange for me on social media.

[Clay Travis]

There's a viciousness that is indicative of psychopathy in the comments that I've seen as well. Meaning these are deranged individuals and we didn't want to spend any time talking about the politicization of it yesterday. But it's even a level beyond the usual imbeciles will say something stupid about climate change, which has nothing to do with this. They'll say those kinds of things. But to your point, Clay, we would think that even people who are politically deranged about Trump wouldn't be deranged in their response to the just absolutely soul crushing deaths of young girls at a summer camp. There's a lot of evil out there and, and it is, it is consolidated on the ideological left. I. And we'll talk more about that in other contexts today as well. That's what I see going on here, no doubt.

[Pam Bondi]

And we're going to help to continue to raise money and attention for all the people as they recover down in the Texas hill country and the Kerrville and beyond. But that will keep you updated.

[Clay Travis]

Look, the BBB has passed, which is great for the economy, but as you know, we're raising the debt ceiling $5 trillion. We're $37 trillion in debt. The printing is going to happen. Clay just talked about how you're now needing 125k for $100,000. This buying power just five years ago. What can you do to offset this? It's on you to take action for yourself, for your bank account. Right? Trump administration's got to worry about 350 million people. This is where Birch Gold comes in. Over the last year, gold has increased 40% in value. And central banks are bolstering demand by adding to their gold reserves. Birch Gold makes owning gold for you extremely easy. They can convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold or help you buy gold to store in your home safe, just like I have and I got it from Birch Gold. Text My name Buck to 989898 Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on Gold. Text my name Buck to 989898 today. All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got President Trump with a Cabinet meeting that is still underway as we speak. Here we go. Told you we'd bring you the most important moments of it. One of the things we can do for you is bring you the stuff you need to know and save you some time in the process because the long meeting. But we have our team monitoring and we're going through these clips in real time. And that includes a discussion that just happened moments ago with President Trump and his cabinet surrounding him. And some reporters asking about the Sunday evening Epstein memo from the doj. Let's for Trump and Bond and AG Bondi, Attorney General Pam Bondi both responded on this issue. Let's hear first from President Trump on Epstein, plate 29.

[Pam Bondi]

Your memo and release yesterday in Jeffrey Epstein, it left some lingering mysteries. One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked for a American or foreign intelligence agency. The former labor secretary who was Miami U.S. attorney Alex Costa, he allegedly said.

[Clay Travis]

That he did work for an intelligence agency.

[Pam Bondi]

So could you resolve whether or not he did? And also could you say why there was a minute missing from the jailhouse tape on the nightstand?

[G]

Yeah, sure, if I could.

[Chris Wright]

I just interrupted. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking. We have Texas, we have, we have this. We have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep? That is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answering?

[G]

I don't mind answering.

[Chris Wright]

I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems like a desecration.

[Clay Travis]

But Clay, what do you make of that response?

[Pam Bondi]

Well, I think Pam Bondi answers as well in, in more earnest. So let's listen to that and then we'll break it down. To me, it sounds like Trump is not spending much time on Epstein and so that that he's maybe not aware of how big of a story this has been on social media. Because sometimes I will criticize media people who ask questions and you'll say, come on, there's 4 billion things that matter. This is far down the list. This asking a question about Epstein today to the attorney general seems very relevant given that they just announced and put.

[Clay Travis]

Out yes, they just put out, they just put out the memo. So, Pam Bondi, let's get here. The AG does now, look, I think Trump is honestly, he talks more about the Texas thing. I think he's, he feels for what's gone on here and his mind is there. And that is right now a far more important story and far more, you know, necessary for us to get all the details and everything. But the aide, the attorney general, did address the question about Epstein. Here's what she said. Play 30.

[G]

In February, I did an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file, along with the jfk, MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens of thousands of video, they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child porn is what they were never going to be released, never going to see the light of day. To him being an agent. I have no knowledge about that. We can get back to you on that. And the minute missing from the video. We released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that? There was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night they redo. That video is old from like 1999. So every night the video is reset and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's it on Epstein.

[Clay Travis]

So there is a missing minute. That's from the attorney General. I know she's saying there's a missing minute every night, but people are going to say, well, the prison knew there was a missing minute every night from the footage. Right. You know, we've all seen enough, enough cat burglar movies and stuff where if you know where the cameras are and you avoid the, you know what I'm saying? I, Look, I'm not saying it's nefarious necessarily. I'm just saying the people that, that initially said there's a minute missing were pounced on online for, you know, conspiracy stuff. And there's the attorney general saying there is a minute missing. It's missing every night. But why didn't we know that before that? That seems like a pretty important. If your whole thing is nobody could have gotten into the cell oh, but there's a 60 second period where we have no evidence of anything. But that happens every night. Clay, my point here is that should have been in the memo. You, the way this has been handled, at a minimum, from a messaging point of view, has created more problems than it has solved. Yeah.

[Pam Bondi]

Look, the Attorney General, in her answer to that Fox News question, and I understand her saying it's on my desk, was not.

[Clay Travis]

I, I give her, I think that's, I think she's being honest on that. I think she, if you listen to what she said, she meant like all the Epstein stuff is on my desk. I mean, you can yell at me for covering for, I don't cover for any of these people. I think that's valid. I think there are other problems though, which we're addressing.

[Pam Bondi]

Yeah, look, I think they could have handled this if they had come out and said, we have reviewed all of the evidence and there is nothing else there from a criminal perspective that is still in the files. I think that people might not accept it, but they would at least understand that these guys are doing everything they can. Which I believe, again, to your point, like, I don't, I've never met Pam Bondi. We've not to my knowledge. I don't think she's ever on the radio program.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no.

[Pam Bondi]

So I have no, like, defense mechanism set up for Pam Bondi in any way. We like Cash and we like Dan Bongino. I'll speak to them directly. I would. There's zero percent chance, in my opinion, that Dan Bongino gave up a multimillion dollar media gig so he could go to the FBI and somehow not tell you what he saw in the Jeffrey Epstein files. There is a zero percent chance.

[Clay Travis]

Completely agree.

[Pam Bondi]

And we know Caswell, zero percent chance on there. So you either are of the opinion. I mean, I'm just gonna be straightforward with everybody out there because some people are. You're either of the opinion that everyone that you used to trust before they got into these jobs decided they got into these jobs and they are going to cover up for Jeffrey Epstein to create an even larger conspiracy or, or they have looked at all of the existing documents and there is nothing else there. I am in the latter camp.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let me put this out there though. I, I would have an addendum, an asterisk to this. I mean, I, I, I agree. No one's holding anything over Dan and Cash and making them protect like a, you know, global Epstein ring. Like, I don't buy that for one second. And I think that. That's unhelpful.

[Pam Bondi]

Because some people do buy that. And they're going to be like, we're.

[Clay Travis]

Going to get angry females. We're going to.

[Pam Bondi]

Yeah. The conspiracy never ends. We all desperately want to protect Jeffrey Epstein and everybody he knew from having to. At some point.

[Clay Travis]

Here's what I will say.

[Pam Bondi]

Sanity pill.

[Clay Travis]

There's, there's, you know, there's the question about being a foreign agent, for example, with Epstein. This is a guy who was hanging out with, as we know, with Bill Clinton and Bill Gates. And this is a matter of public record, okay? Hanging out with some of the most powerful people in the world. Are we really to believe that he actually didn't have any contact with any. I mean, Clay, you've been hanging out with a former, at least allegedly a former spy for a long time, right? There's a lot of people that are in the intel world. I bring this up because given his contacts, given his international travel, given his access, you'll notice AG Bondi didn't say he was not an asset or he was not working with, because I think she realizes she may not know.

[Pam Bondi]

I think he knows it may have been. That's the part I believe.

[Clay Travis]

Well, but see, and that's the part that may have been well covered up. That's the kind of stuff, you know, Epstein was a heinous criminal. Everyone understands that. I also, I'm seeing people say there's stuff online to people saying, oh, well, I guess Epstein, you know, why was Ghislaine Maxwell in prison? Because they were involved in, you know, sex trafficking of underage, underage kids, like hundreds and hundreds of times. I mean, it's like the worst stuff imaginable. And that's. No one's doubting Epstein's guilt. No one's doubting, I should say, nobody should be doubting these things. Right. Based on the available evidence to it. But that doesn't mean that all the questions have been answered, and that doesn't mean the question about did he have any foreign intelligence contacts or access, maybe it wasn't as sophisticated as a global blackmail ring to, you know, direct policy, etc. But I'm telling you, you heard the attorney General there, and she's being very careful now about her words. We have no evidence to that effect. That's not the same. She's saying Epstein killed himself. She's not saying Epstein, we know for sure had no foreign intelligence contact, because that would be quite a sweeping thing. So I'm saying there's still that. That remains a. An Open part of this. And I also. People are saying that the. Where he got his money from has been. No, that has not been. Has that been satisfactorily answered?

[Pam Bondi]

I don't think, I think, I think a lot of people don't. Let me take a step back. So one, I think he probably was on some level intelligence asset. I think those files or whatever were likely destroyed. Maybe they were. Had to be destroyed to be fair, to protect the identity of some of the intelligence assets. I think he likely blackmailed some of these rich guys and got money basically paid out to him through this. Now he also had this. Look, if you want to take a step back and just say, hey, you know, why would he have access to all these super rich guys? He had access to, to all the Victoria's Secret models. He had access, leave aside the younger women, he had access to some of the most beautiful women in the world because he was in some sort of relationship, I mean, financial relationship with the founder of Victoria's Secret, Lex Wexner, I believe.

[Clay Travis]

I think. Yes. Okay.

[Pam Bondi]

Something like that. He and, he and Epstein were tight and I think Epstein ran hot models and he hooked them up, rich guys with being able to hang out with hot models. I think also then Epstein got involved in underage girl trafficking, meaning he was flying underage girls because he was interested in super young, not super young, but like 15, 16, 17 year old girls. Right. I haven't seen anything about like eight or nine or something like that, like under 18 young women, some of them. But he, he had access to Victoria's Secret supermodels, super rich guys. Does it surprise you that Bill Clinton might have gotten on the phone with, with Epstein and Epstein said, hey, you know the girl who's on the COVID of the latest Victoria's Secret fashion catalog? She's going to be at my party, she's going to be at my house. Do you want to come hang out with her? Like, I think there was a lot of that. I think there was a lot of I've got access to super hot chicks and I'm going to put you with them now. I think it's also possible that he then, with some of the tapes and recording setups that he had in his house, got very prominent men engaged in behavior that they would never want to go public and use that to his advantage, potentially with intelligence assets, potentially for blackmail purposes, maybe just to get sweetheart deals in business.

[Clay Travis]

We have this data point of he brought a very, you know, a minor on the plane to Prince Andrew.

[Pam Bondi]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

According to That I believe she's now passed away. It's sad, right? She didn't. She died recently, I think. Yeah. But she alleged very publicly that her and Prince Andrew, a member of the royal family. So we're being told. Oh, no. Epstein was the only one who did any of this. But we have the photo of the guy with the girl and the allegation from the girl. And are we to believe that she wasn't to be believed? Is that what. Do you see what I'm saying? No, no. You're clearly insuring women, so to speak, trafficking for other people.

[Pam Bondi]

We knew and he had access, like you and I. If we wanted to get in touch with a member of the royal family to hang out with, I don't think we could do it. So he had access. I mean, to, to.

[Clay Travis]

We, we.

[Pam Bondi]

We.

[Clay Travis]

We're pretty cool. We could probably.

[Pam Bondi]

I don't think I could get Prince Will. Like. My point is, I think the rich guys started talking and they said, hey, Epstein's got access to a bunch of super hot chicks sometimes Victoria's Secret models through Wexner. And I think that he leveraged all of that to his benefit. And it feels to me, Buck, unlikely that at some point, given the international connections, that there were not some intelligence asset related activities going on.

[Clay Travis]

She will not. She can. She cannot confirm there were. No, you know, she can't prove the negative. So Pam Bondi saying, I can't say there were no intel. Intel connections. So that's part one. I think this thing has been mishandled. There was a lot of overpromising. That's part two. And I still have open questions about this. And I'm not convinced that we know the whole story. That's my part three. I think you and I see this the same way, largely. Right. I mean, is there anything that I'm looking at?

[Pam Bondi]

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[Pam Bondi]

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[Buck Sexton]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Clay Travis]

This medal is for the men who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm J.R. martinez. I'm a U.S. army veteran myself and I'm honored to tell you the stories of these heroes on the new season of Medal of Stories of Courage from Pushkin Industries and iHeart podcast from Robert Blake, the first black sailor to be awarded the medal. To Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice. These are stories about people who have distinguished themselves by acts of valor going above and beyond the call of duty. You'll hear about what they did, what it meant, and what their stories tell us about the nature of courage and sacrifice. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Pam Bondi]

Welcome back in. I've got the whole show rocked with all my different off air theories and I'll share some of those now, which is always dangerous, but like the idea. Let me just kind of dive into this at its most basic level. Why would all of these super famous people want to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein? Like that is the number one question that I think you can ask. Why are all these guys Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, the prince or whatever the heck his name is over there. Prince Philip, I think, unless I'm saying the wrong Prince Andrew, whatever that guy's name is. Andrew, yeah. Sorry, you're the British royals expert. I know, I know.

[Clay Travis]

I love the crown Clay over there.

[Pam Bondi]

Crown is an amazing show and my wife listens to an embarrassing number of British podcasts. It's unbelievable to me. I walk in and every time she's got a British podcast on. Why were they hanging out with him? That's the number one question you should ask. The answer is because he had access to really good looking women. Most of them, I think, initially, a lot of times the Victoria's Secret models. Okay. That's why they were hanging out. And Buck, you were a former CIA guy, but this is not revolutionary. All of you know it. What's one of the number way, number one ways that intelligence agencies get dirt on men? Pretty girls, honey pot schemes?

[Clay Travis]

Well, they either they either blackmail them if they're married or they just get them to spill secrets, you know, with pillow talk. But it's a huge risk to this day. It has been for. For as long as people have been doing intel ops.

[Pam Bondi]

Some would say it's the only undefeated thing that has ever existed in the history of the world. And you know what I'm talking about. That, to me, is actually the story here. They were likely using him to get advantages on these guys.

[Buck Sexton]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Clay Travis]

This medal is for the men who went down that day.

[Buck Sexton]

On Medal of Honor stories of courage, you'll hear hear about these heroes and what their stories tell us about the nature of bravery. Listen to Medal of Honor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast.