Buck Sexton (3:41)

And.

Clay Travis (3:41)

But the fork is better. It, like, is better. It's better to use. It's reusable. Um, it's just a far better way to eat than the chopsticks.

Buck Sexton (3:50)

How did we go from my very important drawstring pants announcement to chopsticks, though?

Clay Travis (3:56)

This is just things that are better. When I saw your drawstring pants argument that they're superior, I wanted. I was thinking, I bet this audience has things that they believe are superior. For instance. I'll give you another one, Buck, here as we have some fun starting off the show. Very optimistic mood. I don't think we failed when it comes to the dash on heating and air in cars. Right. Blue to make it cooler, red to make it warmer was perfection. I get in cars now, and many times it's incredibly difficult to figure out how do I turn on the heat or the air. We had it solved, and we've continued to technologically change it, but it's not as good as it was when you just twisted to the blue or to the red. And everybody knew how to work that.

Buck Sexton (4:47)

We've talked about this before, and I think it's a Nate Bargazzi bit, but hotel room lights. Yeah. How about a switch? How about a switch by the door? Light on, dimmer light off, maybe. Maybe if we want to be spicy, we put a light by the bedside for reading and bedtime. That is it. I stayed in a hotel recently, and

Clay Travis (5:11)

I basically counted up my head on the show.

Buck Sexton (5:14)

Different light switches in this place. And, like, some of them are, like, partial. And some I'm like, who? I don't want to have to read a manual to turn the lights off at night.

Clay Travis (5:24)

Yeah, I agree. And so, anyway, out there, you can give us talkbacks what has been better and could be fixed going forward. But, Buck, as we start, it appears that the situation in Iran is. There are reports that there could be talks again on Thursday. Okay. I feel bad for Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, and JD Vance if they have to get back on a plane and fly all the way back to Pakistan for more talks after they were there for 21 hours of talks and then turned around and came back. There are reports out there that the United States is saying, we want 20 years of you guys ceasing to pursue nuclear weapons and that Iran has offered five years. Now, the challenge with this, Buck, as you can well imagine, and I'm sure all of you out there are going to recognize as well, is Iran has been lying for decades about everything. So whatever they agree to is unlikely, in my opinion, to be upheld. And so whether they say they're going to do it for five years or 10 years or 15 or 20 years, I am quite confident they are lying. Which is why my solution here is we have to in some way grab what Trump called the nuclear dust, the uranium deposits that they have in order to push them back further. I imagine, Buck, even based on your time when you were with the CIA 20 some odd years ago, Iran has been lying to us for the entirety of the time that they have had the ayatollahs in charge. And so nothing that they say to us now do I remotely believe is honest. So them saying anything is not good enough. We either have to get the uranium, if that's our goal, and on the Strait of Hormuz, we have to just see everybody coming through and the oil and gas tankers being able to traverse. We have to actually verify, in my opinion, that they're saying anything honest. Is that a fair assessment in your mind?

Buck Sexton (7:32)

Yeah. Look, this reminds me of the whole Iraq situation insofar as the, the policy or the strategy of Saddam Hussein was essentially, I don't know, maybe it got nukes, maybe I don't. Maybe I got chemical weapons, maybe I don't. Because he found value in that strategic ambiguity. And then when it came time for us to make decisions about what he had and didn't have, it was really, obviously we got it wrong. But it was really hard to sift through what was a bluff and what was reality, because he thought that was particularly after, after the Iran Iraq War, which is probably the most devastating war of the 20th century that nobody ever talks about, Right?

Clay Travis (8:17)

Yes.

Buck Sexton (8:17)

I mean, obviously there are much bigger, more devastating wars.

Clay Travis (8:19)

But I mean, for a war that

Buck Sexton (8:20)

is completely wiped from the, from the memory banks of certainly people in the west, it went on for eight years, nine years, actually, and it was hundreds and hundreds of thousands of casualties. And this changed the dynamic in the Middle east dramatically in the security calculations specifically for Iraq and Iran, as well as other regional players. So, yes, the notion of an. Here's the problem with An Iranian deal. There's no deal that you can have that you can trust that does not in some way have us with our boot heel on the, on the side of their face, really. I mean, we have to be in a position to say, all right, we don't, we don't believe you. So now we're going to go check this stuff. This is the intrusive inspections component of this, which we went through with Iraq too, by the way. And sovereign nations, good guys, bad guys, doesn't really matter. Generally don't really want people to be able to just show up and look at all of their stuff. Right. If there's something that they think is degrading about this, and certainly the Iranians would find it degrading, degrading to have America. And so really, they view it as Israel's proxy, able to just show up and look at all their nuke stuff whenever we want. So, Clay, this is where we come down to there's not really a deal to be had here, folks. There's not really a deal because even if we do get to, and remember, you can pull that clip later, if we do get to a deal, even if we have some deal with the current regime, that they will break it.

Clay Travis (9:52)

Yes.

Buck Sexton (9:52)

And this is, this is the problem with the whole Obama approach to all of this, too.

Clay Travis (9:57)

This is why I want the tangible, to the extent that we can seize it, the tangible uranium deposits in our hands right in, in the control of the United States. And some people out there aren't happy about that take. But to me, I don't see any form of resolution that you can rely on other than that as a way to conclude this. If the goal is to try to ensure that Iran doesn't continue to pursue nuclear weapons. Now, again, the area that we struck in June, we have optics, we have eyes on, we have recognition if Iran tries to go reclaim those materials. So I suppose the argument can be we know what we've got there and it's secure. But if we want to have a full throated victory, one that everyone recognizes, even the New York Times editorial page and even MSNBC and CNN commentators, if Trump brings the uranium out of Iran and says we have seized it, they cannot use this anymore, I think it will be very hard to argue that this was anything other than a supreme success. Right. If we leave it, then the people who don't like Trump are going to argue, oh, we didn't accomplish anything. I do think, and I've been saying this for some time, you know, the stock market is Doing well when it's not shown on MSNBC or cnn, we're near record highs. Uh, the markets are judging the Trump economic situation as a very positive one. And I do think that is significant overall as to the likelihood of where we are headed. But what do you think? Do you care if we actually have the uranium in possession or in your mind, if we say, hey, we've got eyes on it, we're going to watch it and we just pull back and this thing ends and the traffic returns to some form of normalcy and the Strait of Hormuzzi. Is that satisfactory in your mind, or do you also want to see the tangible asset of Iranian nuclear, you know, pursuit in the control of the United States?

Buck Sexton (12:04)

This thing is not over until we have Iranians winning an election with people who are willing to sit down with the leadership of the United States and Israel with smiles on their faces and talk about how to make Iran a regional ally and a peaceful and prosperous place without all this lunacy. That's the real truth. This thing doesn't really end until that day. And I don't know where that day

Clay Travis (12:32)

is, but it may not be in the life of anybody living today.

Buck Sexton (12:35)

Yeah.

Clay Travis (12:36)

To be fair. Yeah.

Buck Sexton (12:37)

In the meantime, you have a situation where we're just. Trump has done a lot more than anybody before him. But to truly end this threat, when Trump says Iran will never have a nuclear weapon and that's his goal, think about what that really means. It does not mean we sign a piece of paper with Iran, they still have some enriched uranium or even the technical know how to enrich uranium in the future. And the people, what happens in two years? Everybody, what happens? I know we can't even think this stuff right now. What happens if a Democrat wins the next election? Yeah, the Iranians will run circles around the next Democrat administration because all they're going to want to do is is play the big peacemaker and say big, bad, mean, Trump did all these bad things to you. So we'll bend over backwards. We'll give you taxpayer cash, we'll show up with pallets full of dollar dollar bills, everybody. Anything to make it seem like the Democrats are the peacemakers with Iran. So these are all the layers of complexity that come to bear. I'm really just thinking about this in a six month. Well, I guess more like eight in front of the math nine month timeline here of how does this play out between now until the midterms. Because if you try to think about what this really means long term, you'll drive yourself crazy because nobody can really know and there's too many variables for anyone to to be able to properly assess it. But really, this is can Trump win this round against Iran and substantially delay their nuclear program and nuclear progress through it all? Regime change is not on the table. It's not happening. So that's where we are.

Clay Travis (14:14)

We will take back, we will take your calls. We will take your interactions. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky will join us at the bottom of the at the bottom of the second hour. And Sarah Isger, who's got a book about the Supreme Court is going to be in studio and we'll see what she thinks about increasing speculation that Justice Alito might decide to step down and that Trump could have another Supreme Court vacancy to fill that story out there. And starting to get more attention as we come up on the end of the June recess. I was reading over the weekend that Alito has not hired his clerks fully. Sometimes that's a little bit of a sign. Again, the Supreme Court comes back in session in October. So from June to October, we could have a window there where President Trump could have a Supreme Court seat to fill. And given the Senate is unclear exactly what might happen, they're worth paying attention to. So we will discuss that and more with her about her new book surrounding the Supreme Court. In the meantime, work being done throughout Israel by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is remarkable. This is an incredibly caring nonprofit organization. They've worked for decades in many towns, on so many kibbutzes, paying attention to the people out there to try to help social services. They don't get caught up in the bureaucracy. No red tape. When they see someone in need or something amiss, they're on. It could be as simple and sympathetic as caring for a single elderly person could be. Rebuilding a hospital underground so that the attacks from missiles don't rain down on people inside of hospitals. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, they've built a bridge between charitable Christians and others in this country and the Jewish population in Israel. Selfless work, excellent results. Your donations can make a life changing result. And you can join us right now. Give $45 to Rush Life Saving Essentials to the Vulnerable under fire. 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. You can also go online at at ifcj.org that's ifcj.org laugh, learn and hang with the guys. Clay and Buck preset on the Iheart app.

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Buck Sexton (17:12)

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we've got a lot of talkbacks, a lot of calls. We're talking about the Iran situation. I got to say, I didn't want to bring Clay down and he came on the show in a particularly good mood today. So I don't know, did, did a sportsball team win? Is your bracket particularly good?

Clay Travis (17:27)

What's going on?

Buck Sexton (17:28)

You're dancing on clouds.

Clay Travis (17:30)

Stock market's setting record highs and the price of oil and gas has come back. I feel like you can start to see a pathway to a positive ending on this that's going to happen sooner rather than later. And, and so, yeah, just doing all my reading and getting ready. We've gotten to the point where the attacks now on Trump have gone back to the 25th Amendment, which is just hysterical because I don't see how anybody who came through Joe Biden can be in this situation. I also think sometimes you ignore, and I don't mean you, I don't mean me, but we as a group of, of people just don't, don't pay enough attention to awful people getting like Tim Walls is done right. Governor of Minnesota Eric Swalwell is done awful. Congressman Nancy Pelosi is finished. There's a lot of people out there who have been wrong on a lot of issues that there is finally being some form of verdict brought to bear on their wrongness. And I think sometimes all of these positive things get snowed under in the midst of a deluge of negative news, which is what gets most of the attention. So I think things are going very well. And so I just, I'm in a good, good spot.

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Clay Travis (19:59)

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show Eric Swalwell's accuser is now speaking out in California, Beverly Hills. We will monitor this and add any audio. As I said that that may be particularly news worthy. As I said off the top, Swalwell is now out in Congress too. And this is pretty staggering downfall. Buck, as these things go. On Friday, right before the San Francisco Chronicle story came out, Eric Swalwell on the poly market, election markets was a substantial favorite to be the next governor of California, which is a hugely prominent political position. He was favored to win that election and now he is out of Congress, he is out of the governor's race and potentially he could be facing criminal charges depending on what this individual who is now going public is saying about Eric Swalwell and his behavior. And I do think at this point in time, Buck, the question is, are there others connected to Swalwell who may be in positions of political prominence that also are going to end up getting caught in this, this fallout because Swalwell was protected for a long time and you and I were just talking about this off the air. He's on CNN all the time. He's on MSNBC all the time. And he is one of the foremost attackers of Donald Trump out there. He didn't go down for having a sexual relationship with a Chinese spy, which still seems really significant in terms of his ability to be on the House Intelligence Committee, which he was that didn't take him down. Fang Fang. And now suddenly right before ballots go out, I think Steve Hilton told us yesterday, we're three weeks from ballots going out early voting starting on the Jan. June 3 primary in California, his career is over and he may be facing criminal, criminal charges. Whatever you think about Swalwell, this is a unprecedented level of political collapse.

Buck Sexton (22:22)

I don't know that we've ever seen. Now, the. The effort against Kavanaugh was, I think, more well orchestrated, higher up, better funded, all of that. But he was manifestly innocent man. So that's a. That's a much steeper hill.

Clay Travis (22:41)

He actually got a promotion. So it didn't work against him, and it didn't work.

Buck Sexton (22:45)

That's right.

Clay Travis (22:45)

This is an interesting question. Can you think of a more precipitous fall when you consider Eric Swalwell's position politically than this? This is pretty staggering.

Buck Sexton (22:59)

No, this is the. This is the biggest, most effective. Look, let's. Let's just be honest about this. This guy's life. He went from. I'm gonna. I'm on TV a lot. People know my name, and I'm probably going to be the next governor of California.

Clay Travis (23:15)

Just saying. Producer Ali just let us know. Staff is monitoring. We'll get the audio of this. This is next level. She says she thinks he drugged her. So publicly. The now, that is next to level now.

Buck Sexton (23:29)

Now she's going like, full Cosby on him, basically.

Clay Travis (23:31)

Correct. Prior. Prior to this, the discussion had been, hey, I drank too much, and, you know, I regret the decision, and I think he raped me. That was what we talked about yesterday. Ali. We can't hear this. So this is. Is this the San Francisco Chronicle accuser, The woman who says that he raped her in 2019 and 2024? Okay, so that had been the sexual assault allegation. Again, this woman is going public with her story. My response yesterday on this buck was, I still question, if you thought you were sexually assaulted by him in 2019, why did you go out drinking with him again in 2024? And again, this is where I'm not defending Eric Swalwell. I don't like the guy at all. He said that I should be criminally prosecuted for what I said about President Trump during the New York City case when I said, if I were a juror, I would encourage a jury to nullify because I don't think these are crimes. And he said, this should be. And I didn't even talk about this. There was an investigation into whether I should be able to keep my law license. After that, people turned me into the Tennessee Department of. Of Law, licensure, whatever the heck they're called, and they did an investigation, and they said, you're. You have First Amendment rights to share your opinion on this.

Buck Sexton (24:52)

By the way, if it were the California law, you know, it would you Know what I mean?

Clay Travis (24:56)

California, Tennessee body.

Buck Sexton (24:57)

It makes a big difference.

Clay Travis (24:59)

No, it does. But I didn't even talk about this publicly because I'm like, I thought the Tennessee bar handled it. When you get a bar complaint, you have to do an investigation. I thought they handled it appropriately, but that's all coming from Swalwell. So I don't like this guy, but I will stand on the principle of, hey, you have the right to defend yourself. And I would just say I'm skeptical of a woman who says she was raped in 2019 deciding to go out for drinks with the guy four years later. I think most of you out there, if you felt like you were sexually assaulted, wouldn't go out for drinks again. But, again, she's speaking this, by the

Buck Sexton (25:34)

way, also, people will bring up things like they'll say, well, battered women's syndrome or Stockholm syndrome, which actually something I write about in my book Manufacturing Delusion. It comes from a bank robbery that occurred in Stockholm where the people who were taken. Taken hostage became so fond, in a sense, of their captors that they started trying to help them instead of hoping for. For rescue. But anyway, those things would not apply. Those things would not apply here because to your point, Clay, these are employees. I mean, they chose to hang out with him later.

Clay Travis (26:07)

They weren't in constant fear of their employee. And then she stopped being an employee, and she chose.

Buck Sexton (26:13)

I'm just saying it's not. It's not. A battered wife syndrome is something where the woman is in constant fear of her safet. And so. And Stockholm syndrome is when someone's actually taken you captive. Right. This is. If you come back years later of your own accord.

Clay Travis (26:26)

I agree with you.

Buck Sexton (26:27)

I think that's a.

Clay Travis (26:27)

That if you're a defense attorney, that's your biggest thing. I were a defense attorney, and I were defending Eric Swalwell, and again, remember, John Adams defended the Boston Massacre. The. The. The Red Coats. Right. From the Boston Massacre back in the day. Lawyers, I think, have an obligation to be zealous advocates. If I were a zealous advocate for him, I don't think you could get a conviction. I think a jury would say that doesn't.

Buck Sexton (26:52)

I don't. I don't think that. Yeah, first of all, you wouldn't have any contemporaneous from what we've seen so far, and there's a lot of allegations, but I haven't seen anything where you would have contemporaneous evidence. This would turn into a very much a he said, she said situation. However, Clay, I would Point out that the investigations in New York. Right. Normally. Normally you would think, oh, a, yes, sir.

Clay Travis (27:16)

Sorry, I'm just, I think this may be a different woman. So I think this is a new accuser. So when we're talking about the San Francisco Chronicle story, again, I need the team to be on top of this because we can't hear the audio. But based on some of the clips, this sounds like a new accuser who is saying, eric Swalwell, I believe, drugged me, which may explain Buck, why he dropped out of the congressional seat because he may have thought, I can fight my way through some of these. But now there is a cavalcade and this is a, I believe, again, team needs to let me know. I think this is a new accuser in Beverly Hills.

Buck Sexton (27:54)

We, we will sort that out momentarily and bring you the latest on this, the latest facts on this. I would just say, Clay, as is so often the case, the, the weight of numerous allegations, the count of countless counts, if you will, is something that works very much against you. Now, comparing it to the Kavanaugh situation, and I always just feel the need to say this a manifestly innocent man. Not, oh, I don't know. Not. They couldn't prove it. Kavanaugh was as innocent as you and I, my friends, of what they were saying. It was complete, complete craziness, ok? And we know it was craziness because they couldn't get him. And so then, Clay, they had these additional people coming forward, but the additional people coming forward were crazier and crazier and less credible and less credible. And so they, they had to actually pull back because the first one was super shaky and full of it. The second one was making it up. It was obvious. The third one was a true lunatic. And there were others that they didn't present against Kavanaugh because they knew it would hurt their side because they were so clearly lying. Now juxtapose that with Swalwell. These are all at least credible on their face in terms of the possibility of these things happening. The women are named. It was relatively recent. And now there's more coming out that are even worse.

Clay Travis (29:12)

I think this is a new accuser and her accusation is different than what the San Francisco Chronicle reported. And again, the team, we can't hear this audio. So I think this is a new accuser. The reason why I say I think it's a new accuser is the San Francisco Chronicle accuser was not named. So we don't know who that was still. And this person is saying, hey, this is My name. We'll play audio for you going forward. I think this is a new one, but my.

Buck Sexton (29:42)

My point here. And again, drawing that comparison, the Kavanaugh thing was everyone knows that if one person accuses you of any, it doesn't have to be even a sexual assault. One person makes an accusation against you, it's an accusation. Three people make it against you, and it's all similar. You start to have trouble. Five people, 10 people. Now you got, like, very, very slim chance of people believing you. They tried to manufacture the weight of many counts against Kavanaugh, and it actually went against them because it was so absurd. Like, they had a woman who came forward to the Senate and she did the. Oh, Kavanaugh raped me. It's like, well, you were never even the same state as Brett Kavanaugh, so how exactly could he have raped you if you could never actually prove that you were in the same state as him? And they covered that one up. This one, you've got the momentum of, oh, another accuser, another accuser, another accuser. And that, I think is, at least in the court of public opinion, impossible to beat.

Clay Travis (30:36)

This accuser actually sounds. Again, he has the right to a defense. But this sounds like a very credible accusation. Like, he. This. I mean, based on what I'm seeing. And we'll play you some of this audio based on what this woman is saying, this sounds like something that will lead to criminal charges in California. She's saying she was drugged and that. Here's a direct quote. He raped me. He choked me. And while he was choking me, I lost consciousness. I thought I died. I didn't consent to any sexual activity. I would never have engaged in a consensual sexual encounter with Eric Swalwell. Lana Drews. He is.

Buck Sexton (31:20)

He is in a whole. He is in a whole world of trouble based upon. But I would. I would just add to this clay. First of all, California and New York, very Democrat states, have specifically adjusted laws and prosecutorial standards and procedures to make these kinds of cases easier and more likely to bring. They've even done things like gotten. Remember in New York, they got rid of. I know that was civil for E. Jean Carroll, but they got rid of the statute of limitations on bringing a civil sexual assault case. So they're already. And they put away that guy, the actor. I forget. I forget his name, but they got him. I think he went away for, like, 20 years on allegations that were. Were. Were old, that were from, like, 15 years ago. Again, I'm going from memory here, but he, in These Democrat states, not only is he possibly facing a justice system that has been adjusted to make these kinds of. And that's, that's also just a decision by the prosecutors. Right. Like they'll bring these cases, I mean, obviously the Harvey Weinstein case, like they'll bring these kinds of cases. And beyond that, I think they want to make an example, like the Democrats now want to make an example of him, which is not a good place to be.

Clay Travis (32:34)

And if you are Eric swalwell, no doubt 100%. And again, we're going to play some of this audio. This is a new, this is a new accuser, very specific in California. And I would expect that there is going to be a rapid. They're already investigating in New York City, but this one now would be on the in, in California. I presume it was in the LA area based on where this.

Buck Sexton (33:00)

And think about what you'd have to say at this point if you were to, if you were not the attorney, but if you were somebody who was going to try to defend Eric Swalwell publicly, you'd have to say that all of these women are lying. I don't think there's anybody, anybody in school and the whole Democrat, the most hardcore left wing, Democrat partisan. No one is going to come out and say that.

Clay Travis (33:21)

Well, I think also this is becoming more credible to your point as the Kavanaugh thing, it got less credible. This woman's accusations are more credible than what was already reported and she's encouraging other people to come forward, which I think is likely to lead to more.

Buck Sexton (33:39)

The Kavanaugh thing. It was. If you had an, if you had a, an intact ethical Compass and an IQ over 80 and you saw when they tried to layer on additional complaints, you're like, well, these are even, these are even more absurd than the first one. You could tell, oh, this is an op, this is a hit. This is going in the other direction of, oh, now it's women coming forward who feel like they finally can because they won't be accused of making it up or lying. And Swalwell can't just crush them in the court of public opinion. He, dude, Clay, he might go to prison a long time.

Clay Travis (34:10)

Based on these accusations, I don't see how there wouldn't be charges brought. I mean, again, he's in big, big trouble.

Buck Sexton (34:16)

There's a whole other level.

Clay Travis (34:18)

But this is a different level than what has been public so far. And it explains Buck to me why he suddenly resigned from Congress. I bet he was trying to keep this from coming out and he thought maybe if I resign from Congress, they won't have this press conference or will take the heat off of me. Me. Yeah.

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Clay Travis (36:39)

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we're going to play you some audio from the accuser. I believe that press conference has just ended, but here it is synthesized and I should also mention CNN has not covered the this press conference at all. MSNBC did not cover it live either. Fox News did. Eric Swalwell is accused by Lana Drews of drugging and raping her in 2018, choking her to the point of unconsciousness in a West Hollywood hotel room. Says that Swalwell offered to use his connections to help her software company. Her attorney says immediately after the press conference, they will be filing a police report with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and will be providing evidence, including text messages and photos. She says she feared Swalwell's political power, which is why she did not speak out previously. And she is encouraging others to also speak out. So this is a new accuser, Buck. This is, I think, the most credible of the accuser so far. And I will play some of this audio for you when we come back.

Buck Sexton (37:58)

Yeah, look, this is. You're here, you're the lawyer on the show.

Clay Travis (38:03)

Play.

Buck Sexton (38:04)

And everyone is entitled to a defense and the presumption, the legal presumption of innocence. But Swalwell is in a world of. A world of difficulty. We could say right now to go in less than really 72 hours from the leading contender for Democrat governor of California to I hope I don't go to prison. Clay is pretty astonishing.

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