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- [00:01]
Clay Travis
Welcome, everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off now and we are fired up this Friday. We've got a lot going on. Give you a little bit of a road map. We've got the Wisconsin State Supreme Court nominee Brad Schimmel joining us in the second hour. It's a big deal up in Wisconsin because if the left wins control of the state Supreme Court there, they're going to redraw congressional maps. We're going to lose a couple of congressional seats. And as you know, we've only got a three seat majority right now. So it is a big deal that we hold the line in Wisconsin. Also got to hold the line in Florida's sixth where Mike Waltz gave up his seat. We're going to have on that contender on Monday. Try to get the word out. And that really is all of you. All we can do is blast this out across the country onto our 550 wonderful affiliate stations, as one does. Clay was great. I walked out of the gym this morning and this guy without even breaking stride because I was hustling to get back to the studio and he's going by me and he just, he just puts his hand up for high five. He goes, I love clam Buck, man. Awesome. Keep going. Like he knew I was on the way. So I got a high five here in South Florida. I love it down here. Florida, you are beautiful. This is a great place. And it's all hands on deck in Florida 6 to make sure we don't give up that seat. But also got Kirk Cameron joining. We'll talk to him about entertainment, Disney wokeness going into a particularly rough period here, which is fantastic. And Steve Hilton, buddy of ours on his new book on the collapse of California. So we're stacked. We got a ton. I don't even mention this one yet though, the deep dive that Brett Baer did last night on Fox News. We'll get into this right away because you need to know what's going on. There's some very important insights, but also additional details about what the plan is here. Right. So what have they found? But also, how long is Elon going to be doing this? What are the next steps for this? So let's dive into some of this. So Brett sat down last night with Elon and a bunch of the senior Doge team and they talked about a whole range of things. Um, let's go to cut two here. I mean, Brett asked him straight up what is the most astonishing stuff that you have found as you are looking for Waste, fraud and abuse in the government. Cut 2.
- [02:31]
Elon Musk
What's the most astonishing thing you found out in this process? The sheer amount of waste and fraud in the government. It is astonishing. It's mind blowing. Just we routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more casually. You know, for example, like the simple survey that was literally 10 question survey that you could do with survey marquee cost you about $10,000. Was the government was being charged almost a billion dollars for that for just a survey. A billion dollars for a simple online survey. Do you like the national park? And then there appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey. So the survey would just go to nothing.
- [03:10]
Clay Travis
So much waste.
- [03:11]
Buck Sexton
Clay, I, I really think that we are not giving Elon Musk enough credit for what he has decided to do here. Our producer Ali was talking about it off the, off the show earlier. But you're about to have a baby. You and your wife Carrie. I've got three boys. At some point in time, and I know a lot of you think of us as whippersnappers because you're in your 60s or 70s and you're listening to us. But I know that you have been through that evolution and some of you are younger than us and you're not to have seen this worldview yet. But at some point in time, whatever success or failure you might have in your personal life, whatever trials and tribulations you might have personally, you start to recognize, and this is certainly going to be ironic for two guys who get to sit in front of a microphone and talk about our lives and our experiences every day. But you start to recognize that you're not the centrality of the world. People have this recognition at different points and that in some way your job, I like to think, and I think many of you have had this recognition realization is to try and make things better for the people who are younger than you that are coming along behind you. Your kids, your grandkids. I think when I, when I see Elon, and certainly when I see Trump, who doesn't need all of this at 78 years old, a time when most, frankly, 78 year olds are just kicking back and relaxing as best they can in retirement, the only reason that they're doing what they're doing is because they are trying to fix what they see as being broken. And here's the reality. They're not going to live to see the full fruition of the changes that they make come into reality. They're doing it because they want to set the table for the next generation in a much better place. And, and I, I couldn't stop thinking about that, Buck, as I watched the Doge interview. Credit to Brett Bayer for sitting down and doing this interview. I don't believe it's possible, Buck, if you got 95% of Americans to sit and watch that whole interview, I think it would be hard for almost everyone who watches that interview not to say thank you. You guys are doing things that are not particularly partisan in nature. You're just trying to spend all of our money, all of our taxpayer money, in the most expeditious, efficient manner possible.
- [05:41]
Clay Travis
Imagine for a second that the treasury was on fire. I mean, it was just, it had caught fire. And all of our dollars, so to speak, as a nation, were contained in that building and someone came along and they were trying to put out the fire. Wouldn't you just say thank you for doing this? No. What Democrats do is they say you're wasting too much water. Why are you focusing on this area? Why are. All they do is complain. You know why? Because they actually don't want him to succeed. Elon got into this. This is cut seven. Clay, we've been making this point here all along, which is they never tell you what the problem is, right? They, they always either lie about something that's not happening or they just say in general this is unconstitutional. Unconstitutional. You want this to continue to happen. Play 7.
- [06:30]
Elon Musk
Usually when they attack Doge, they never attack any of the specifics. So they'll say what we're doing is somehow unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well, which line of the cost savings do you disagree with? And they can't point to any. And we list them all on doge.gov and the Doge handle on X and you'll see just outrageous things, one outrageous thing after another.
- [06:51]
Clay Travis
Clay, they are exposing themselves, the Democrats, all the time, because they don't want this stuff to happen. They benefit, they, their friends and their ideology benefits from this waste. With all these NGOs and all this nonsense that's been going on. A lot of these government contractors, it is the great self licking ice cream cone and they have completely exposed themselves here. There's, it's like, what? Remember I asked Senator Rand Paul this yesterday, is there a single Senate Democrat who actually wants to cut spending? He said no, flatly no. They want to take us over the cliff. They, they do not want this to stop. They do not want the fraud to stop. They do not want the debt to get under control. They're just putting Us on a, on a highway to destruction.
- [07:35]
Buck Sexton
Yeah. And I think we should play a bunch of these cuts again. I give credit to Brett Baier. I, I, I talked about Elon giving back to the government. He didn't need this. He's already got Tesla, he's already got SpaceX, he's already got XAI, he's already got X boring company. He's got like five different companies that he's running full time. But he says he's got about 130 days through the end of May and then their goal is to have reduced the deficit by $1 trillion. He says they're on pace to do that. Here's cut eight.
- [08:09]
Elon Musk
You technically are a special government employee and you're supposed to be 130 days. Are you going to continue past that or do you think that's what you're going to do or. Well, I think we will have accomplished most of the work required to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars within that time frame. So in that timeframe, 130 days and the process is a report at some point, 100 days, not really a report. We are cutting the waste and fraud in real time. So every day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste and fraud by $4 billion a day, every day, seven days a week. And so far we are succeeding.
- [08:48]
Buck Sexton
Let me also play this buck, because you probably are getting some of this. There's a lot of fear mongering going on out there. And I understand a lot of you rely on Social Security. If you are past retirement age or over 60 and you're listening to us right now, there is a great deal of fraud. People try to take advantage of elderly citizens, as you well know, they try to take advantage of everybody. The number of times that I bet no matter how old you are, something pops up on your phone. It's a text message, it's an email, and somebody's basically on a fishing expedition to try to get your personal private information. It's hard to know what's real and what's not. They said that, that, that one of the things they've discovered is people who are Social Security recipients will get more, not less money because of Doge. And also there is just so much dishonesty out there. Let's listen to cut 5 first. This is almost half of all phone calls every day to Social Security are from people who are committing fraud, he says, trying to get information flipped so they can start to steal your Social Security cut 5.
- [09:54]
Elon Musk
The two improvements that we're trying to make to Social Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits, protect them from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis and also make the experience better. And I'll give you one example is at Social Security, one of the first things we learned is that they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information. So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security. We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters. 40%. That's right. Almost half.
- [10:31]
Buck Sexton
That's staggering Buck. And it makes sense, right, because they want to get your deposit check direct to their bank accounts and steal your money. And this is why I want to just play this again because I do think it's important. Cut three Musk says we're actually protecting Social Security. Don't listen to the fear mongering.
- [10:48]
Elon Musk
How do you reassure people that what you all are doing is not going to affect their benefits? No, in fact, what we're doing will help their benefits. Legitimate people, as a result of the work of Doge, will receive more Social Security, not less. I want to emphasize that as a result of the work of doge, legitimate recipients of Social Security will will receive more money, not less money. All right, I want to emphasize that point and let the record show that I said this and it will be proven out to be true. Let's check back on this in the future.
- [11:24]
Buck Sexton
I just buck when I kept watching this. The amount of waste and fraud and just general incompetence. If you are a business owner, if you're a small business owner and you've ever had to make payroll, you've ever had to run the books to make sure that your business is working. Our government's never done it basically for generations. And there are a lot of people that profit off of an ossified, broken federal government that are lining up to try to stop the government from being more efficient.
- [11:53]
Clay Travis
First of all, love the use of ossified there. Second of all, I think there's a lot of embarrassment and jealousy among some in the Democrat camp that this is something that they said they wanted to take on, wouldn't take on. And more and more people are seeing that it is only Republicans who are serious about this. Again, to the Rand Paul point yesterday, not a single Senate Democrat wants to cut any spending whatsoever, not a single dollar. And they've been lying about this just like they lie about border security. They've been lying about this for a long time. And now the American people, anybody who is being honest and has their Eyes open, can see this. I think that there is a sense among. I've started to see some saying it. You know, Ezra Klein has popped up to start to say this, and you're starting to see the beginnings of Democrats saying, hey, you know, maybe the fact that we spent $40 billion on. On creating more broadband access and we didn't create a single. A single person getting broadband, maybe that's not great.
- [12:59]
Buck Sexton
Did you see Jon Stewart reacting to all the hoops that you have to jump through? I mean, I just. I watch this, and it just infuriates me as someone that is spending a lot of the money that I would otherwise like to have going in and just being completely wasted.
- [13:15]
Clay Travis
Well, what you're seeing is that the Democrats in the public mind, increasingly, with every passing day, with more truth coming out. The Democrats are the party of the bad old dmv, where it's a good analogy. Accountability.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
- [13:30]
Clay Travis
You're just suffering. There's waste, Nobody cares. There's no accountability. Nothing changes. You can't, you know, just take it. Just sit there and take it, because you have to. We all hate that.
- [13:42]
Buck Sexton
Right.
- [13:42]
Clay Travis
I'm going to say, be honest with you. Florida dmv, not bad. They've actually made it. The DMV experience here pretty.
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Buck Sexton
Tennessee's gotten way better, too.
- [13:49]
Clay Travis
Yeah. Yeah. But I remember my first driver's license experience in New York City. You know, I was like, 16, way back in the day. You know, in the 90s, Clay, it was like visiting a penal colony. Okay? Nobody cared. Nothing moved fast. Everything was a mess. Everything was unnecessary. You're there for like, three hours. I mean, the whole thing was a nightmare. The Democrats are the party of that when it comes to the federal government. That's who they are now. And they're going to have to wear that. You know, they're going to have to deal with that for. For a long time. So, uh, we'll. We'll get into more of this and, and just more of the Doge conversation. Uh, I mean, this is about saving the government and saving the country with it. So I think it's pretty big deal. Uh, we'll get into that and stay with us. I'm sure of at least three things right now. The first, President Trump is doing great things for the country. The second, my bracket is going to look better than Clay's come Sunday night. And third, you see that little shade? Little shade. You could save a lot of money by switching your cell phone service to Pure Talk. My cell phone carrier. If you're with Verizon at&t or T Mobile make the switch and immediately save $50 or more every month. Pure Talk only charges 25 bucks a month for unlimited talk text and 5 gigs of data on America's most dependable 5G network or this data point. The average size family of four saves more than $1,000 a year when they switch to Pure Talk. And with Pure Talk's US Customer service team, you can switch hassle free in as little as 10 minutes. You can even keep your phone and your number using your cell phone. Dial £250, say the keywords clay and Buck to make the switch and you'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, dial £250, say Clay and Buck to start saving today. Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans Saving America.
- [15:36]
Buck Sexton
One thought at a time. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Over 120 years old receiving Social Security. Nobody did anything about it. Cut 4.
- [15:52]
Elon Musk
The amount of issues that were the Social Security system are enormous. As an example, There are over 15 million people that are over the age of 120 that are marked as alive in the Social Security system. And that's an accurate figure. Yeah. Correct. 15. Correct. This has been something that's been identified as a problem again pre existing problems since 2008, at least from an IG report. So there were some great people working at the Social Security Administration that found this 2008 and nothing was done. And so 15 to 20 million Social Security numbers that were clearly fraudulent were floating around that can be used only for bad intentions. There'd be no way to use those for good intentions. And so one of the things the Deutsche team is doing is, is carefully and very methodically looking at those and making sure that any fraudulent ones are eliminated.
- [16:43]
Buck Sexton
I don't know the answer on this, Buck, but obviously a lot of people die receiving Social Security. How often do you think those checks continue after death? Potentially for substantial periods of time. I mean I. It seems like it's harder to turn it off than it would be to turn it on. Right. Like once the process is going, it doesn't seem like it's very likely to be quick that suddenly you stop getting the checks.
- [17:06]
Clay Travis
No. And, and when you see all of this together, it's very clear that the ethos of those who handle the government's money within the government is who cares?
- [17:17]
Buck Sexton
Right.
- [17:18]
Clay Travis
Not ours.
- [17:18]
Buck Sexton
Nobody loses their jobs. Right?
- [17:20]
Clay Travis
Nobody. The problem, there's no account. The, the lack of accountability within the bureaucracy is maddening and destructive. And it's time that this, this is looked at. This is truly, this should be truly a nonpartisan thing. But you know, it's not nonpartisan for a couple of reasons. We've a few reasons, Clay, we've talked about. One is they hate Trump, they hate Elon, can't let them have the win. But also the Democrats have become truly the party, the ideology and the entity of a bloated, crushing federal bureaucracy. They all vote Democrat. They like this.
- [17:57]
Buck Sexton
And also they have no idea. Now, as a party of basic business, we've talked about this quite a lot. It used to be the case that there were a lot of very successful Democrat businessmen, not so much anymore. Last week, Buck, you know, he couldn't catch me. He's one behind in the NCAA tournament. And right now I'm planning on surging even further ahead. We've got a bunch of games this weekend to decide, decide which of us will come out ahead first. Four went off yesterday, four more today. And then we will cut down to the final four with a couple of games on Saturday and a couple of games on Sunday. And right now you can get hooked up with prize picks. You can go more or less on projections for every player. And oh, by the way, Major League Baseball also started again yesterday. I know many of you are massive baseball fans. You can play baseball prize picks as well every single day. Right now you get $50 instantly after you use code, clay, and play a $5 lineup. You can play in Georgia, you can play in California. You can play in so many states out there if you're feeling left out, Texas price picks.com my name Clay for 50 bucks pricepicks.com my name Clay.
- [19:06]
Clay Travis
Welcome back in. We are breaking down the key moments from the excellent interview that Brett Baer of Fox News did with Elon Musk and his Doge team last night. I watched the entire thing, actually watched back a bunch of parts of it. Again. I thought it was so important. The two biggest things that Trump is doing, tackling from the very beginning of his administration, border and illegal aliens and then spending doge waste, fraud, abuse, those are the two areas, practice areas, if you will, that are absolutely essential. And they have gone after this. We are so just a quick word here, Clay, I completely agree with you and we've been saying this for weeks. We need the smartest people in this country to tackle the biggest problem the country faces.
- [19:52]
Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
We can't have everybody who's a billionaire, you know, self made and some Kind of a managerial or organizational genius go. You know, I just, you know, the country is going to figure it out. You know, I'll stash some money overseas. Maybe I'll buy some land in New Zealand, maybe. No.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
We need people who are brilliant to step up and to fix things. And. And now that means some degree of personal sacrifice, but. And a lot of you listening, like, yeah, buddy, I did, you know, three combat tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. Like that sacrifice, right. I'm talking about from your perspective, obviously not from mine, but, you know, that's sacrifices that a lot of you have made or, you know, from your own bio. Whereas Elon, taking a few months, yeah, he's got companies, he's got a lot of people working for him and all the rest of it, but, you know, he's not storming the beaches of Normandy is my point. Like, this is something that he could do and is enormously helpful to the government. And I don't think it's too much. I'm very grateful to him. But I'm saying I don't think it's too much to ask others who have multi. Multi generational wealth that they have accrued in this country who can fix problems and help to do so when they can. I hope that this is a trend.
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Buck Sexton
If you have a super talent, then I would hope that at some point in time, you might be willing to share that talent on behalf of the American public. And Elon Musk has a super talent in business. Efficiency, prodigious energy. He said in one interview I saw, I think, our friend Ted Cruz, he said he sleeps six hours a night and basically works, you know, the other 18 hours. And right now he's committed, basically sleeping in the office of Doge seven days a week, working to try to make the government more efficient. And there's been a cost for him. He's been ripped to shreds. His company has been attacked on a level, frankly, that I've never seen a company attacked based on the choices made by a CEO in his private life.
- [21:48]
Clay Travis
Well, I think, Clay, it's very clear that anybody who is burning a Tesla because they don't like what Elon is doing, wants the country to burn. They do not have the most fundamental interests of America as a nation in their minds at all. They are spiteful. They are hateful. And the fact that the Democrats aren't far more. Hey, guys, knock that crap off. Tells you a lot about them, too. You know, there's. There's a sense of, yeah, Elon, he's a billion. The fact they go along with this trash Elon thing. We talked about the climate change aspect of it too, which means they're not serious about that. They don't really care. They just like to. Virtue signal. Speaking of virtue signaling, this is something else that came up here. Some of you have disagreed with us a little bit on. And that's fine. It's only some of you, but you're allowed to disagree with us. We appreciate that. You know, I have. We have heated debates in my family. I'm sure. Clay, sometimes. What did your boys call you because you weren't good at technology is the funniest. What's the term? It's so funny.
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Buck Sexton
An unk. They called me an unk. Like an old uncle in the house that doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah. So dad really gives me a chalk before we get into the serious talk here about Ukraine. I. I can't. I know. I'm getting older. All right? It didn't used to be this complicated to turn the television on, all right? Like back in the day for me, I, I just. I don't know why there needs to be eight different remotes and six different inputs and like HDMI. 1, 2, 4, 8, 14. Like, I just want to sit down and put the damn game on. And I. Every time I sit down in front of one of the family televisions now, I don't know, it's connected to, you know, some WI fi thing, video games, like all different sorts of streaming devices. I. It feels like we're going backwards in all technology. And this is the old man of me. I think I said this on the show the other day. My wife actually is signing off a little bit, even though she's the IT guy of the family. No car is better than when it just had the blue for cold and the red for warm. Right? The heater and the air conditioning.
- [23:53]
Clay Travis
We do need to get back to. To idiot proofing a lot of our day to day lives, right?
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Buck Sexton
The.
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Clay Travis
One of the greatest things that happened in the world of computers was you had. We went from. Because I remember this DOS systems and it was, you know, backslash, ampersand colon, you know, TRT backslash. You know, mam back. You're like, what is this? This makes no sense. Like I don't understand. Um, and then it was like, oh, here's a folder. Move the thing on the screen. Like it became tactile and visual and so anybody could do it. There's a lot of that that we do need to restore I mean, I think. And my car is way too complicated. I'm probably way too complicated, and it's not bad.
- [24:34]
Buck Sexton
It's one thing if the complications make things more efficient, but it's harder for me now to turn on the air conditioning and the. And the heat in my car than it was in 1983. So when I was four, I knew how to turn the heat or the air on in every car that I got into, basically. And if it wasn't the knob, do you remember it had, like, the thing that you would slide, like, the slide scale or whatever. We're making things more complicated and not better. And that seems like it should be the opposite of technology.
- [25:05]
Clay Travis
Tell your boys we might have to start a segment. Two grumpy Unks. We just sit here and just complain because I'm no better than you are. This. I'm probably worse with technology. I have. I'm not gonna lie. You have the same thing with your wife. I like Carrie. When Carrie wants to drive, she's a great driver. I'm like, let her drive. When she wants to fix the tv, I'm like, tv.
- [25:23]
Buck Sexton
Travis is not driving anywhere if I have the choice. Well, that is driving.
- [25:28]
Clay Travis
That is.
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Buck Sexton
I want to get there.
- [25:29]
Clay Travis
I need to see. I want to be in the car with both of you and, like, do a switch out to see really what we're dealing with.
- [25:34]
Buck Sexton
I drive aggressively as. As you and others have. Have discovered. But, yeah, I can see my wife.
- [25:41]
Clay Travis
Like, if you. If you let Clay give you a ride to the airport, you're just sort of chatting, you're talking about fun stuff. You know, Clay's very entertaining fellow. And then you just see on the speedometer, like, is that 115? Is that what's going on? Because I think that's not the speed limit, Clay.
- [25:54]
Buck Sexton
I. I will say, in my wife's defense, she is small. She's five, two. Five, three. I never really thought about this. Lots of smaller women who drive, like, SUVs because they have the kids in the car and stuff like that. Like, they can't actually see. Oh, I'm told this is true. They can't actually see over the hood very well. She can't park. Like, she can't.
- [26:17]
Clay Travis
Like, you ever, like, put a couple of phone books on the seat for her or something or what do you do?
- [26:21]
Buck Sexton
I mean, she does. She has a couple of pillows to try to elevate her so that she can see over the front of, like, the SUV that she drives. And I'm not kidding. Like, she uses I don't know. Do you trust. I don't really trust the cameras, you know, that tell you like, hey, are you gonna be safe? You can back up. You know, every car now has a. Like, a super convoluted camera system. So when you pull into a parking lot and everything else, I don't really trust those things because it feels to me like they beep when you are in no danger whatsoever, way too early. You're, like six feet away from something, and it's like. And then there's actually someone behind you, and it doesn't do anything. Like, I. I feel like much of it is flawed, so I don't really trust it. She uses the system a little bit. Otherwise buck. Like, she tries to pull into a Chick Fil a parking lot, she takes, like, eight spots. I mean, she cannot see the lines to be able to correctly park. And she says it's because the car's too big and she can't see over the hood. I've never had this problem.
- [27:21]
Clay Travis
All right, Anka, you ready to talk Ukraine war now? Ok, just making sure. So in the Brett Baier Elon Musk interview, Elon Musk was. Was passionate on this. And I was. I was setting this up before and pointing out that, you know, some of you have been telling us you don't understand Russia's the aggressor. No, we understand Russia's the aggressor. There's nothing about that that we don't understand. We understand Russia's the bad guy. We understand that Putin is. Is a, you know, Machiavellian in the worst sense, probably. You know, he's a malignant narcissist. I mean, there's a lot of bad stuff you could say about him. He's an authoritarian, et cetera, et cetera. All true. We get that. Ok? There's no and yet. We want the war to end. And the people that pretend like they have a better idea than ending the war never have an answer for what do they want to do? They wanted to keep fighting. Here's what Elon says about this mentality. He said it about specifically Senator Mark Kelly, who talks a big game. Play it.
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Elon Musk
There will be a negotiated peace. And the thing that we should be concerned about is we should have empathy for the thousands of people that are dying every day in trenches for no movement in the lines. So the borders remain the same. For the past two years, thousands of people have died every week for nothing. For what? And I take great offense at those who put the appearance of goodness over the Reality of those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give in to Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands of kids dying every day. They just want that to continue forever. Have contempt for such people. I want to make that clear. Yeah, so you're optimistic because they're bocce signaling and their lack of a solution means that kids don't have a father. It means that parents lost the son for what, nothing.
- [29:19]
Buck Sexton
I think that's really well said, and I think it goes to the morality that's actually embedded in this argument. You and I talked about this on the show when everybody was suddenly angry at JD Vance and Donald Trump for how the meeting in the Oval Office went with Zelensky. I still have yet to see anyone argue to me that Ukraine can win this war. And if they can't, then why are these people dying?
- [29:43]
Clay Travis
You know, I was trying to think of good things to watch lately because we've been talking and we've been trashing Snow White, which everyone is. It's like the worst movie on IMDb ever now rated. It's getting completely destroyed. It deserves it. But, Clay, I watched Surviving Blackhawk down the last few days, which is somebody who read the Mark Bowden book and then saw the movie. And I've probably seen that movie 50 times. And every special forces and every special operations guy I know says that's the most realistic war movie for that era they've ever seen. Really interesting context from the surviving Blackhawk Down. Sorry, I'm going to tie this in a second. The other thing that I've seen not long ago on Netflix that I thought was really, really good was the All Quiet on the Western Front movie that they did. Have you seen that one?
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Buck Sexton
I have not. You told me that was good. And well, well, it is.
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Clay Travis
And I. I find World War I, everyone, World War II is like the great evil of the world being defeated by, you know, America. Yes, everyone. World War II gets a tremendous amount of historical focus and with good reason. World War I is. Is fascinating and also horrific. And what you get from All Quiet on the Western Front is there are phases at which this war is over, basically, and everyone knows it, and they need to figure out what they're going to do, the people in charge. But because they're not willing to make some of the last concessions or whatever, there are some final offensives where people are, you know, cut in half by machine gun fire and, and burned to death by, you know, by flamethrowers and artillery rounds and, you know, chemical weapons and all it's, it's just horrific and it shouldn't happen. And it's in the final days. And there's something particularly awful about that. And so what Elon's I think referring to here is, oh, what, we're going to give Ukraine another six months to try to get a little more land here? How many tens of thousands of young men killed is that worth on both sides?
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Buck Sexton
War is always hell. But dying in a war after it's already been decided is indefensible. And whatever you think about the war in Ukraine and Russia, it's been decided Russia is going to gain territory. As I said, we're just arguing about where the line is going to be drawn at this point. How in the world can anybody justify any death or any dying that's occurring in this war at this point in time. We should have an immediate ceasefire. And it seems beyond, beyond any doubt. And for people who are arguing on the other side, they're actually the immoral ones, I think at this point.
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Clay Travis
Well, this is, this is what I think why Elon was so. And I agree with him. And look, Elon's done a lot for Ukraine. Ukraine has only been able to have communications and which is absolutely essential for this war, which is really a lot of it is coordinating artillery and drones. That's really what this trench warfare is. I've seen a lot of the footage of it and reading about it, and it's because of Starlink that they even had communications. So Elon has done more for the Ukrainian. Once again, it's. Isn't this fascinating. They, the people who are so Slavo Ukraine have the flags and everything. They're trashing Elon. Meanwhile, Elon's done more than all of them combined. All of them combined for the Ukrainians, and he wants the war to end. And they want to say that you're selling out to Russia, you're Putin's puppet. These people are intellectually and morally unserious.
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Buck Sexton
It's totally true. By the way, we'll take some of your calls. We've got loaded guest situation here. Big battle going on in Wisconsin that could determine the fate of the House majority. We'll discuss all that and more. Plus, we've got Kirk Cameron, legendary 1980s TV star in studio. I think producer Ally has gotten dressed up again because he was her crush in 1986. And Steve Hilton will join us. Good dude. Thinking about running for governor of California. We'll talk about his latest book. All that still to come in the Friday edition of the program. The Meantime, can't get to Hillsdale College. Quaint, lovely town of Hillsdale, Michigan. They figured out a way to get to you. They have dozens of online video courses on demand. Whatever you are interested in. World War I, World War II, ancient Rome, the Constitution, the founding fathers, Mark Twain. So many really cool different courses. These are college level courses you can watch. Great video, great audio. Maybe you're going to be on the road. I've got a kid trip that I'm taking this weekend for sports. I'm going to be listening to one of these Hillsdale College lectures. You can go online to clayandbuck for hillsdale.com no cost, easy to get started with a course you like absolutely free. No grades, no early morning wake up. It is just learning for learning sake from a great college that wants you to have a little bit more education in your arsenal. Clay andbuck for hillsdale.com one more time. That's Clayand Buck f o r hillsdale.com Geek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show producer. Ali, you wanted to weigh in on some of the conversations that have been taking place. Well, you were talking about your driving.
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Elon Musk
And I just have this memory of Buck and I going out to your.
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Buck Sexton
House and it taking about what, buck.
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Elon Musk
40, 45 minutes in the Uber.
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Buck Sexton
And then you had to drive us back, Clay.
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Elon Musk
And you were like, ah, it's only going to take 20 minutes.
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Buck Sexton
And I did the calculations.
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Elon Musk
I'm like, well, it didn't take that long getting out here. And that ride, I was very quiet.
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Clay Travis
I'm just gonna tell you guys, I don't know if you've ever experienced this before, but Clay can go past a speed trap and the state trooper is just gonna be like, well, that's too fast. I'm not gonna chase that one down, Clay. You know, they don't even bother.
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Buck Sexton
I will say I really, the first time I got in the car with Buck thought, you know, former CIA guy, like he's going to be skilled behind the wheel.
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Clay Travis
I'm just about safety first, buddy. All right? I'm trying to keep everybody in the car safe. No tickets. You know, I go at a nice leisurely pace.
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Buck Sexton
Leisurely. Especially in Miami, I felt like I was driving Miss Daisy. I mean, people are flying by like 180 miles an hour every direction. I will say, I don't know what the speed limit is in the Miami area. Everybody drives in Miami like it's like 100. It's like a Grand Prix. It's crazy.
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Clay Travis
People go on the, on the highways around Miami. Miami, they go. People go 120 miles an hour like it's nothing. No one cares. And I've never seen anyone pulled over. It's crazy. I've never seen anything like it in my life.
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Buck Sexton
By the way, somebody wants to weigh in. What? Asking. We got to talk back. Asking if I want to sleep on the couch. You want to play that quickly? Maybe we'll have to play it now or ever. I think it was HH or whatever it was. Greg sent it in. My wife knows that she cannot park. I think if she were listening right now, she would call in and say, these SUVs are not designed for small people to drive. And I don't mean little people. I mean, like women who are less than 5, 6. They aren't designed to allow you to be able to park. We'll play that bb. It's really fast. No, we don't have time. We'll play it for you in the second hour. Thanks for hanging with us. Us here on the Friday edition of the program. Up next, big judicial battle in Wisconsin. We'll get you the latest with Judge Schimmel.