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Clay Travis
On this Thanksgiving Day for being a listener here on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Malcolm Gladwell, probably, I think the most famous nonfiction celebrity author in America. Would you buy into that designation in terms of book sells? I don't know that anybody would have sold more copies than him and Michael.
Buck Sexton
Lewis probably for our last 20 years or so. Those would be the two that I think are. I met him in France, by the way, for the iHeart event. So I actually met Mr. Gladwell for the first we shook hands. I mean he wouldn't, you know, he had no idea who I was. I was like, hey man, what's up?
Clay Travis
So yeah, so I'm gonna play a cut for for him. I imagine a lot of you have read his books. Tipping Point is probably the most famous, but he's got a ton of different books and I think he has a very popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage of you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So let me take you behind the scenes a little bit here. I sold my company Outkick to Fox in 2021. On Super Bowl Sunday, 2021, we made $2 million in affiliate revenue for from FanDuel. That is that super bowl day. The company that I ran we and founded, we were one of the top affiliates in the entire country. So if you were watching Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers go up against Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs, our company and to a large extent me made more money than anybody playing in that game on sports gambling affiliate referral deals. We were for FanDuel, which is the biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company in the country. We were either their best or second best affiliate partner in the country. Pat McAfee, who now is at ESPN was also wildly profitable for them. We were there two best at helping to promote and I, I love sports gambling. Obviously we've got a great relationship with prize picks which ties in here with, with that we made six, seven million dollars a year on that deal that was important for us as a part of the company, sold the company. Fanduel said they wouldn't work with me anymore, Buck, because I was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. This is a sports gambling company. They said Clay is too controversial because he is saying men should not be competing in women's sports. And fanduel is worried about the controversy that he brings for being so outspoken on that issue. As a result, fanduel refused to work with me and as a result, refused to work without kick. So me merely saying men should not be able to compete in women's athletics cost the company that I founded and owned around $7 million a year. I don't know how much money you guys make, but $7 million a year for a media company is a big, huge part of what allows the company to be profitable, to employ tons of people. But as a matter of principle, I said I'm not going to stop talking about this, even though fanduel is saying, well, you're too controversial for saying this. This. So the reason why I give you that backstory is it was. Even though it's 100% the right thing to say, it took chutzpah. It took sometimes turning away from millions of dollars to say what I personally believe to be true and allow the company to be at the forefront of arguing this as.
Buck Sexton
No, no, no, no, no, no. Not what you. Not what you personally believe to be true.
Clay Travis
Yes.
Buck Sexton
What is undeniably, unequivocally, obviously and as clear as anything could be true, which I think is an important. You weren't penalized, Clay, for an opinion. You were penalized for a fact, which is a whole. That is Soviet Union level stuff. That is everyone is starving. Say the grain harvest is the biggest grain harvest of all time. That is a manufactured delusion, my friend.
Clay Travis
And if you wonder why did people not step up against this across all of sports, only outkick and really only me at the. At the forefront of this were willing to make this argument. It's because the big advertising partners out there would grab you by the you know what and they would squeeze if you tried to step out of line. This is the truth. Nobody else will even tell you this. I'm telling you directly. Okay? Malcolm Gladwell came out, they have a big sports conference, sports analytics conference at mit and they had a bunch of famous. Malcolm Gladwell has a connection to sports. He's a big sports fan. He's done sports related reporting and stories. And he and everybody else on that panel at the, I think it's the Sloan Kettering, MIT Institute or whatever, refused to speak out against men competing in women's sports because the consequences were real. What I just told you, it could cost your company millions of dollars. It could cost you personally millions of dollars. It could impact your employability. They were very targeted in the way that they attacked here. And now he's come out. This just happened yesterday. And Malcolm Gladwell says, hey, I was bullied. I was cowed. I was afraid of the consequences. And now I'm going to tell you the truth. Men shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports.
Guest or Co-host (possibly a guest commentator)
Listen, if we did a replay of that exact panel at the Sloan conference this coming March, it runs in exactly the opposite direction. And it would be, I suspect, near unanimity in the room that trans athletes have no place in. In the female category. I don't think there's any question. I just think it was a strange. I mean, I felt. I mean, the reason I'm ashamed of my performance of that panel, because I share your position 100%. And I was count the idea of saying anything on this issue. I was, in a. I believe, in retrospect, in a dishonest way. I was. I was objective in a dishonest way.
Clay Travis
Okay. I give him credit for coming out and being honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important because there are consequences, unfortunately, when you are willing to speak the truth. I think your qualification is important there. This is not. This is not me arguing what the tax rate in Moldova should be. And we're sitting around and we're like, well, you know, this is.
Buck Sexton
This is. Dudes are not chicks, and chicks are not dudes, and pretending they are is a lie. That is what this is.
Clay Travis
Even in the world of sports. It's beyond that, buck, because you're saying men don't have a competitive advantage, or you're sitting around, you're saying, well, we have to do studies. No, men are bigger, stronger, and faster than women.
Buck Sexton
But underlying all of it, underlying all of it, and this has to be remembered, is that trans, for example, and this is usually what we're talking about in the sports context, trans women are women indistinguishable. And to be treated by society and the law as women indistinguishable from women in all respects, even though they're not women. That is the actual foundational, mandatory belief of the trans movement. Right. Is that they translate. What is the phrase, trans women are women.
Clay Travis
Yeah, this is.
Buck Sexton
This is what they say. Trans women are women. And that's why they should be able to play in women's sports. That is a lie.
Clay Travis
I think this is important though, and I see this everywhere. And people who may not be involved in media, a lot of you sit around, you say, well, how did this happen? It was. If you were willing to speak out on this issue. Advertiser said I can't, I won't work with this person anymore. And I'm talking about a friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a coincidence that, that they're of all companies that should be one that recognized hey, men and women's sports is ridiculous. They actually pushed back and they said even though you, Clay, and your company have made us tens of millions of dollars, which we had objective reality, you could look at and say, hey, people love this. They wouldn't spend money with us anymore. And this is how they control what people say. Because most people are not willing to give up the money. They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that everybody was as outspoken as Gladwell is saying there. It was just that a lot of companies just pretended this didn't happen or they would say, as they still say now. I don't know why you care about that. Why do you even care? It doesn't happen that often. It's not that big of a story.
Buck Sexton
Well, this is always, this is always the progression, right? It's not happening. Happening. It's not happening that much. Why do you care? Ok, it's happening. It's happening a little bit to. It's good, it's happening. Shut your face. We're in charge now. And this is, this is. This was Covid. This is trans. This is, that is the, the slippery slope of leftism in America today. It has progressivism, it has to progress. The argument always has to go to the next level and it's all based on lies because of course it is happening. Because they know what's happening and they know it's wrong and they know they want to do more of it. But they use an incrementalist strategy to chip away at things. And for Gladwell to come out now, Clay. Yeah, because everything has changed now. Now you can say it. Yeah, now you can actually.
Clay Travis
Because people like me spoke out so hard and took the slings and arrows. I will say Buck, I give him some credit for acknowledging he was wrong. Because what a lot of people are going to do is they're going to wait another couple of years and they're going to come, they're going to say well, everybody knew this was ridiculous all along and that they never actually argued otherwise.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, I mean, that's particularly gross. Right? But that will happen. I think that that is true.
Clay Travis
Five years from now, there will not be a single man in America who will say, I ever thought it was okay.
Buck Sexton
Oh, no, no.
Clay Travis
Men pretending to be women were competing.
Buck Sexton
I disagree with that. There will be people, Clay. There are people that will take this to the very end, and they think that they can get a rebound with this and time all they have to do. They think that they will find their way back into power, back into the culture. 20% of the country is never going to abandon this, Clay. 20% of the country is certifiably insane. I mean, they think that Kamala Harris was a good candidate and Joe Biden's brain was working. These people are nuts.
Clay Travis
Well, I say this. I mean, people who are actual sports fans. Right, Because I understand on some level, if you stay, if you don't know anything about sports and you think like, hey, maybe Serena Williams is better than Roger Federer at tennis, maybe they should play and maybe the woman would win, um, I actually give them a pass because they're so clueless on the difference of biology. But any man. I. I mean this honestly, any man who has ever played a high school, college, and certainly a pro sport knows that the idea of men being able to compete in women's sports was, on its face, laughably absurd. And where it matters is, if they can get you to argue that or if they can get you to stay silent on that, they can keep advancing the left wing agenda because they've cowed you into silence.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, well, and you've basically become complicit in your own cowardice and your own silencing. And if they can get you to say something that's that crazy, they can get you to say anything. That's the whole point. If they can get you to believe this, they can get you to believe that the sky is purple and the earth is flat and you name it. And that's a very powerful tool of psychological manipulation because it's degrading when the state or when society forces you to mouth a lie, to say the slogans that they demand that you know are false. It degrades you psychologically. And that's the point. They do this in all totalitarian regimes, by the way, and they do it purposefully.
Clay Travis
Yeah, and let me say this, too. I think the one thing I will say additionally in favor of Gladwell is this. I think America would be far better if we all acknowledge when we get things wrong. I don't think that anybody out there listening expects for you or me to get everything right. I think when we claim that we never get anything wrong, it actually delegitimizes the things that we get right. And I do think Malcolm Gladwell coming out and saying, yes, it's convenient now. Yes, the consequences and the stakes and the punishment for being on the quote, unquote wrong side of the ledger on this issue are much de. Minimized because we won this battle so far. But I do think being willing to acknowledge we've said it like I said it was going to be a red tsunami in 2022, didn't get it. I had to wear it. Like I was wrong. Now, we got a lot right about the 2024 election, but I don't think people out there trusted us less because you got something wrong. Because everybody gets that things wrong.
Buck Sexton
Well, that's a prediction, too.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
There's a difference between a prediction which is inherently uncertain and telling a lie. Yes, one. One goes to analysis and nobody's perfect. Another goes to your selling out. And a lot of people, I will.
Clay Travis
Tell you, almost everyone sold out.
Buck Sexton
I won't name them because I don't. I don't. People can always, even people on the other side, if they ask to speak to me in confidence, I keep. I keep confidence. I know some prominent Democrats in the media clay, who would say to me offline, oh, the trance thing is crazy, but the agenda is crazy.
Clay Travis
But I can't.
Buck Sexton
I can't say it because my side would eat me alive.
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Clay Travis
Shh.
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Buck Sexton
U N D welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's take some talk backs. Hear from all of you all across this great land of ours. We've got Ken who listens in Lincoln, Nebraska. DD on the talk back Hit it. Don't be hating on people who sports the robe. Yes, it is a lifestyle. I'm retiring. Well, I'm not a retiring pastor. I'm still a pastor, but I'm about to retire. I'm an avid fly fisherman, have built several poles so don't be hating. Good show. Have a blessed one. Thank you. You have a blessed one too. I don't usually think of robe guys as also fly fishermen, but that Is.
Clay Travis
A bit of an. That is a bit of an upset. Like, if he had been like. And I'm also into smoking pot and. And, you know, wearing Birkenstocks or smoking pot and orgies. That's kind of what I think about for robe guy.
Buck Sexton
So I've also. I've noticed something probably because of all that all the young people walking around trick or treating. There is. This is very unk of me, which is. You're wearing an unk T shirt right now.
Clay Travis
I am. Ali got me an unk T shirt.
Buck Sexton
Unk and owning it. So that's a word that the youth uses. But I've noticed something that the kids, like, 13 to 16, they're wearing Crocs unironically.
Clay Travis
Oh, yeah, the super popular crocs.
Buck Sexton
And their hairstyle is this, like, poofy in the front thing. Like, it's like unkempt, kind of like. Like wavy, curly. You know what I'm talking about? This is the haircut.
Clay Travis
I think my boys have this. I mean, exactly what you're talking about.
Buck Sexton
If you had them come over to the camera, I could tell you. But I can tell you they're all these kids walking around with the same hair. It's a very unique hairstyle.
Clay Travis
Yes. And they're rocking. Crocs are, and have been for several years now, insanely popular with young kids. Like teenage. Teenage kids. I thought you were going to say. Well, hold on, let's play. Renee in Kentucky, who wanted to react to. To the idea of all this candy being stolen. If my son had ever dumped a bowl of candy in his bag, I would have busted his ass on the spot. He would have had to apologize as.
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Clay Travis
That's how that goes.
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Buck Sexton
Renee, you are. You are someone who is holding the line on civilization, and I appreciate you. I'll just say it.
Clay Travis
Renee is very civilized, Buck. I love that. And yeah, if you happen to see your kid on one of those viral videos, I think you should make a video of the kid apologizing and. And make him go knock on the door and buy candy. Maybe do some yard work to make up for the candy that he took. Hey, I'm Clay Travis.
Buck Sexton
And I'm Buck Sexton. You know what we're thankful for this year, all of you?
Clay Travis
That's right. We have the best radio audience in the country, hands down.
Buck Sexton
Sending a big, warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck show.
Clay Travis
And there are tons of videos that are going Viral of these so called, you know, sort of Halloween porch pirates on Friday. The number of people that left out treats. This happened even in my own neighborhood. Some, uh, my wife was showing me some of these videos and kids a lot of times, teenagers frankly, who sometimes make, as all of you well remember, moronic decisions, but also parents that are involved here. And right off the top, we had our last Halloween in the Travis house. We have been in the same house for a decade. I just posted a photo, gave out 17 bottles of Fireball shots to all the moms and dads, the neighborhood that we lived in in Franklin, Tennessee. I can say it now, I think. I don't know that I ever said it before. West Haven, you've been there, Buck. One of the greatest neighborhoods, I think in the entirety of the United States. We, after a decade are moving, not going to do Halloween there anymore. But Halloween has been phenomenal. Thanks to everybody who has been so great to my family for over a decade of living there. Super sad yesterday when I left because, you know, you raise your family in a house, at some point you're going to be in this experience. You got a six month old, we moved into that house. My youngest was in a, in a crib. He now is in fifth grade. So it's just been a tremendous experience there. I would describe where I lived as, generally speaking, a high trust community where everybody looks after everybody else's kids. And it's a fantastic place to live as a result. And everybody comes around and mostly with the parents. You take one little piece of candy at a time. But as you see all of these different stories about these ring cameras and everybody coming along and just dumping the entire thing into their bag. I do think this is culture, Buck. And when you lose culture, you lose the country. And it might sound small, but I do think it's a metaphor of a low trust society that unfortunately exists in much of America now.
Buck Sexton
But we're just talking about the circulation of videos all over the country. Remember, these are usually with parents present. That's the part, that's the part that.
Clay Travis
I think is significant.
Buck Sexton
So there are parents who are watching their kids now. Let's like work through this process for a second. They're watching their children, maybe, you know, 11, 12, 13. It's really not like young kids that are doing this. It's not 5 year olds, it's you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 year olds, maybe 14 year olds that are just pillaging the take one piece of candy for yourself. Why is that the rule? Or why is that the request so that other people can get their candy. Right. It's very. And also, you see these kids, it's not like they're taking a handful and we're saying, oh, they're only supposed to take one. Okay, a handful is fine. No one's got a problem with that. There are videos with parents watching. Ok, the parents of these kids where they take like the candy bowl and they dump the whole thing.
Clay Travis
Yes.
Buck Sexton
You know, five pounds of candy. They dump it into their bag and they're kind of laughing and gleeful about this and then they, you know, hurriedly walk away. And it's just a disgrace. It's disgusting. And, you know, this is one of these things. You see what you see. You know, we're in this era where there is video all over the place and everywhere of everything. And, you know, people, we should bring back shame a little bit in this country. Like, if you're doing this stuff and people know and your neighbors know, like, you should feel ashamed.
Clay Travis
I agree.
Buck Sexton
You should be shame. You should apologize. You know, there's all these. I remember even near me where there was all the theft going on clay. There was a grocery store near me that had the photos of the. Of the repeat shoplifters. And there have been efforts to sue them to. How dare you. And you know, you're not allowed to show this. It's like, why are people okay with this?
Clay Travis
This is.
Buck Sexton
This should be something that we all are clearly against. And it's just a shame that it's something that should be as joyful and innocent as, you know, Halloween trick or treating. There are people who are being really gross about the whole thing. A lot of them. This isn't like one person. There's a lot of this going on.
Clay Travis
No, I think totally. And people can say, well, what's the significance, you know, of. Of this? I do think it is representative of low trust in culture. And I talked about in Chicago, dad and daughter going out trick or treating. Dad pulls up in a car, and instantly the car gets stolen. Somebody runs up with a gun, puts it in his face, just trying to take the little girl out trick or treating. And I do think that what you will see likely occur is the parents that are allowing this to happen and even encouraging it to happen have raised kids that are going to have a lot of issues in the years ahead because they have lost the ability to interact in an honest culture. And to your point, teenagers do stupid things. And so to me, the parents watching it and even encouraging it is a substantial part of this. But I think it speaks also to. And I know there are strict moms, but we had a big conversation about this. I think it speaks also to. A lot of times dads are enforcers in households, of course, you know, particularly young men, boys, they respond to dad as a household influencer more than they do to mom. That doesn't mean that moms out there aren't often forced to do incredible jobs both raising, trying to play the role of both parents because a lot of men are absent. But this reminds me, Buck, of. Do you remember the, the big study they did? This is why I think it would be true if you could run it out for years. One of the best signs of your ability to succeed in life is can you defer rewards? And they have that great.
Buck Sexton
This is the, the like either it's a donut or a cookie.
Clay Travis
Marshmallow was the initial one.
Buck Sexton
Marshmallow.
Clay Travis
They tell you, for those of you who haven't seen this study, and they actually have funny videos of this of little kids trying to avoid a treat, right? And they basically come in and they say, hey, if you can wait a certain amount of time, we'll give you two. And so there's a treat on the table and it's sometimes a cookie doughnut. I think it started with marshmallows. And they'll be like, hey, little kid, if you can wait, then we'll give you double. And what they have been able to find is the kids that are able to defer the reward have overwhelmingly higher levels of success than the kids who take the immediate gratification in front of them. And to me, this is a sign of that, Right? Hey, you're still going to get a lot of candy. I mean, my son came home with a, with a whole pillowcase full of candy, but you have to put in the time to go from one house to another or you can run up and dump the whole thing in at once. I think you're going to see that the life results are actually negative for the kids that are doing this.
Buck Sexton
There's also very clear, very clear data on delaying gratification and IQ level. So now you start to get into this part of the conversation as well. Higher IQ corresponds directly with a greater likelihood to be willing to delay gratification for better reward. So this is true. You, any of you can see, you can check this out. Dumber people want it right now.
Clay Travis
Yeah.
Buck Sexton
Just true.
Clay Travis
No, I mean, look, I, and, and look, for being a parent, I would argue one of the most important things you do as a parent is Teach your kids to play the long game. Get good grades in school. Do you get immediate gratification because you make good grades in school? In eighth grade? Not necessarily. Do you get immediate gratification for doing your homework every single night, for showing up at class, for taking tough courses? Not immediately. But you play the long game. And over time, good decisions lead to better outcomes. And this is a big part, you know, candidly, of what I wrote about. And I'm asking you to go buy the book. To buy the book. Balls. It's all about how do we raise better, younger, more successful men. And this is something that I spend a lot of time thinking about. And when I saw these videos of these porch pirates stealing all the candy, I couldn't help but think, there's a lot of absent dads, I bet, and moms, but particularly dads when it comes to bad behavior by kids. So you gotta be shameless. The book is out tomorrow. I asked you in the first hour. I'm gonna talk about it tomorrow. Can you drive this to the top 10 bestsellers on Amazon? That would mean a tremendous amount to me. All of the proceeds going to charity. Just gotta sell. The book is Balls. I'm holding it up on the video feed from our New York City studio. You're gonna see me all over Fox News selling this book. But it would mean a lot to me if you guys would go buy a copy and give it to someone else. Buy a copy for somebody that you think needs some balls in their life, either, metaphorically speaking. Again, it's everywhere. It's going to be in every bookstore. My name, Clay Travis. The book is Balls. Please go buy it. Buck's going to have a book out in January. I'm told the publisher is very happy.
Buck Sexton
I bought a copy of Balls. I Got Balls on the Way.
Clay Travis
He got Balls on the Way. His roommate, who loves Polish sausages, told him, hey, you might as well add some balls to it, too.
Buck Sexton
You know, I'm going to throw this out there because I didn't want to. I didn't want to start this once again, because he actually is a real roommate from the Chicago area. He also was a robe guy, which maybe is not surprising.
Clay Travis
Polish sausage guy being a robe guy. I mean, I think that, you know, I'm just saying.
Buck Sexton
He also would walk around our dorm room in. In a row or, you know, our dorm housing in a robe all the time. So Polish sausage and robe, they can go hand in hand.
Clay Travis
You never know.
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Clay Travis
U n D We got an email rolling in here from a vip. I thought this was funny. Matt writes caught up yesterday on the Sunday hang. I encourage all of you. Sunday hang is fun. Just like a Not very serious. If you're just looking for something to hang with, it's great name for it. Producer Ally puts this together. I have a bone to pick with you for two horrible takes. Number one. And I'm gonna stand by these takes, Buck, but I want you to hear them. Chick fil A biscuits are terrible. Way too sweet. Your credibility took a nosedive after hyping them up. I will go to war. That Chick fil a biscuits are amazing. And I bet I have an entire army of people lining up behind me. Matt, you're wrong on that second part here. You grilled Buck on why he showered in a swimsuit with his dog Ginger after she rolled around in poop. Paraphrasing Buck's response. I wanted to protect my man region from dog pee. Dog poop. How about I don't want to shower with my dog naked? That'd be a strange thing to do. And then he comes after me. And then he comes after me. Hold on, Clay. Love you, man, but after hearing your sentiment on nudity, you strike me as one of the old guys at the gym who chills in the locker room for way too long, strikes up conversations with everyone while all caps Buck naked. Cheers, fella. Keep up the good work. I think it would. I think I understand your argument for why you were in a swimsuit. I think it's weirder to be in the shower with the dog in a swimsuit.
Buck Sexton
Can we call the dog is swim trunks. Can you call them swim trunks or something? Or swim shorts? You know, swimsuit makes it sound like I'm wearing a one piece in there, but yes, yes, swimsuit.
Clay Travis
I. I don't think the dog would be troubled by your nudity. And maybe I. Well, this may.
Buck Sexton
This may shock the caller. The dog is naked when it sleeps in my bed every night. The dog is constantly walking. The dog walks around my house naked all the time.
Clay Travis
Doesn't even care. So I don't think the dog minds. I'll also point this out. I'm not a locker room naked guy, but I Don't care if people see me naked. Most of my life has been trying to get people to be willing to see me naked as a single man. We have a new house that we built, Buck. The window, the mirrors. I mean, the. The window treatments are not in yet, and there are people building across the street. I just walked through right naked. My wife is like, my God, they're going to see you. Why do I care? It's all male construction workers. Now. She, because she is a woman, is used to people trying to see her naked. So she protects her nudity. I got no issues if people want to watch me as I'm walking from my shower to go get my first. It's not that exciting of a view for the construction guys. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be running across, like, the room, like, trying to shield myself, like, there's some, like, great scandal of my nudity. So maybe I am the old guy.
Buck Sexton
Actually blown right now.
Clay Travis
Brian and Worcester. I said that Buck needs to prepare himself for Gavin Newsom to be campaigning in the south and suddenly debut a great. And by great, I mean ridiculous Southern accent. And. And I said we need a mixture between Keanu Reeves and a guy from Mobile, Alabama. And Brian says he's got a theory for you, Buck, on a little bit of research. Let's play hh. If you want to hear what Keanu Reeves would sound like if he was born in the south, all you have to do is watch Devil's Advocate with him and Pacino.
Buck Sexton
One of the worst Southern accents ever put on film.
Clay Travis
I think we have a clip of that, Buck. This is what Keanu sounded like. Actually was a pretty good movie. I thought Devil's Advocate back in the day. I mean, there are a lot worse movies, but here's what he sounded like. How about Cullen? How's it going? Everything on beam?
Buck Sexton
That's a long conversation.
Clay Travis
Want to come up and tell me?
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Buck Sexton
Let'S talk tomorrow.
Clay Travis
All right, so there's Keanu. You can go watch Devil's Advocate. And I, I. That was a pretty bad Southern accent. I don't recall it. He's an attorney, J.J. don, in Florida. I think he. This is the worst Southern accent in a movie. Don, what you got for us? Hey, Clay.
Buck Sexton
I'm Buck. You want the worst Southern accent?
Clay Travis
Look at Nicholas Cage and Con Air. Nicholas Cage and Con Air is a.
Buck Sexton
The bunny down. I remember that.
Clay Travis
It is an unbelievably awful Southern accent. It's not. Not an awful movie. I mean, given the premise.
Buck Sexton
I mean, It's. It's an absurd movie, but not an awful movie.
Clay Travis
Right? That's. That's. Yes, yes, that's what I'm saying. Like, the premise is ridiculous, and it shouldn't be as good. I mean, much like honestly, the. The movie about the. The. The. Oh, what's it called? The Rock. The rock from the 1990s. The Alcatraz movie with Sean Connery and Nicholas Cage is actually a really fun movie. It's patently absurd in many different.
Buck Sexton
Top to bottom.
Clay Travis
Yes, yes. But really a fun watch. And. And those are these. Let's. Let's play this. Maybe we can talk about this a bit tomorrow. Buck. Karine Jean Pierre has got a book out, I guess, and she's doing all sorts of touring, and I want to roll over a couple of these cuts. The other one. Roll it over, guys. But let's play this first one from Karine Jean Pierre. She's asked whether she basically bears any blame at all for Joe Biden. Listen to her answer. This is perfect. Watch.
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Clay Travis
All for anything that you said while.
Buck Sexton
You were speaking on behalf of this administration?
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Clay Travis
Look, it's a simple yes or no.
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Clay Travis
I woke up every day as a.
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Clay Travis
Immediately going to. No. You know, we covered up. We lied about a guy who had no business being in the White House to. Oh, well, let me talk about the fact that I'm black and gay, in case you didn't know, rather than actually answer your question.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, I think that her book is going over so poorly that it actually has made 107 days. Kamala's book, which you left me behind on the battlefield to read solo, which was way harsh. I think that Karine Jean Pierre's book is even more negatively received by Democrats than Kamala's book was, which tells you a lot about the legacy of the Biden administration and why Kamala's gonna end up not running and becoming a provost at. Clay's gonna owe me a steak.
Clay Travis
Shh.
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Date: November 27, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
This special "Best of" episode features hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackling the most pressing stories in news, politics, and culture—with their characteristic blend of humor and straight talk. The hour focuses on two core themes: the consequences of speaking truth to power, illustrated by the controversy around transgender athletes in women’s sports, and broader cultural decline, seen through changing social norms, raising children, and the erosion of community trust. Lighter conversational asides and listener interactions round out the episode.
Clay's Experience with FanDuel and Cancel Culture
"Fanduel said they wouldn't work with me anymore, Buck, because I was too outspoken on the trans sports issue. ... As a result, fanduel refused to work with me and as a result, refused to work with Outkick. So me merely saying men should not be able to compete in women's athletics cost the company that I founded and owned around $7 million a year."
– Clay Travis (04:50)
Editorializing the Principle
"You weren't penalized, Clay, for an opinion. You were penalized for a fact… That is Soviet Union level stuff… a manufactured delusion, my friend."
– Buck Sexton (07:11)
Malcolm Gladwell’s Admission
"I felt. I mean, the reason I’m ashamed of my performance on that panel, because I share your position 100%. And I was cowed, the idea of saying anything on this issue. I believe, in retrospect, in a dishonest way."
– Malcolm Gladwell (clip, 09:08)
Host Reflection
Progressive Argument Creep
"It’s not happening. It’s not happening that much. Why do you care? Ok, it’s happening... it’s good, it’s happening. Shut your face. We're in charge now. ... That is the slippery slope of leftism in America today."
(12:28)
Social Control Through Shame and Silence
"If they can get you to say something that’s that crazy, they can get you to say anything... And that's a very powerful tool of psychological manipulation because it's degrading when the state or when society forces you to mouth a lie... It degrades you psychologically. And that's the point."
– Buck Sexton (14:59)
Halloween “Porch Pirate” Phenomenon and Social Trust
"I do think this is culture, Buck. And when you lose culture, you lose the country. And it might sound small, but I do think it’s a metaphor of a low trust society that unfortunately exists in much of America now."
– Clay Travis (25:18)
Parenting and Delayed Gratification
Clay references the famous "marshmallow test" and its predictive power for future success, linking the candy bowl grabbers to a lack of impulse control fostered by permissive (or absent) parenting.
Quote:
"One of the best signs of your ability to succeed in life is can you defer rewards… the kids that are able to defer the reward have overwhelmingly higher levels of success… And to me, this is a sign of that."
– Clay Travis (29:35)
Buck brings up research connecting willingness to delay gratification with higher IQ and better life outcomes:
"Dumber people want it right now."
– Buck Sexton (31:15)
Role of Fathers & Discipline
"I bet, and moms, but particularly dads when it comes to bad behavior by kids. So you gotta be shameless."
(32:38)
“Robe Guy” and Crocs Craze
Halloween Candy Discussion
A listener, Renee from Kentucky, shares a strict approach to candy theft:
"If my son had ever dumped a bowl of candy in his bag, I would have busted his ass on the spot." (22:04)
Buck and Clay praise the value of shame and direct accountability in maintaining civil society.
Old Guys in Locker Rooms & Nudity
"Most of my life has been trying to get people to be willing to see me naked as a single man."
– Clay Travis (38:50)
Movie Accents—Keanu Reeves and Nicholas Cage
Karine Jean-Pierre and Accountability
Clay and Buck play a clip of White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre dodging responsibility for prior messaging, focusing instead on personal identity.
Clay critiques the deflection:
"Immediately going to. No. You know, we covered up. We lied about a guy who had no business being in the White House to. Oh, well, let me talk about the fact that I'm black and gay, in case you didn't know, rather than actually answer your question."
(43:07)
Buck notes the poor reception of Jean-Pierre’s and Kamala Harris's books, framing it as a reflection on the Biden administration's legacy.
Buck on reality and courage:
"This is. Dudes are not chicks, and chicks are not dudes, and pretending they are is a lie. That is what this is."
(10:15)
Clay on forgiveness and public honesty:
"I think America would be far better if we all acknowledge when we get things wrong…when we claim that we never get anything wrong, it actually delegitimizes the things that we get right."
(15:43)
Buck on political conformity:
"If they can get you to say something that's that crazy, they can get you to say anything."
(14:59)
Clay and Buck keep a fast-paced, conversational style mixing serious political critique with irreverent humor. They place a premium on candor and personal accountability, deriding what they see as elite cowardice and social conformity. Listener calls and pop-culture riffs provide light breaks from their pointed takes on media, politics, and culture.
This episode captures the show's formula—straight talk on controversial issues (especially on free speech, woke culture, and the integrity of sports and media), balanced with moments of relatable humor and listener interaction. If you haven't tuned in before, expect opinionated, lively debate where no topic is too thorny, and no joke is off-limits.