Hour 1 - The NFL is Run by Cowards

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: "The NFL is Run by Cowards"
Date: February 9, 2026 | Hour 1
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton break down their reactions to the recent Super Bowl, focusing on their shared disappointment with the game, commercials, and especially the halftime show featuring Bad Bunny. They discuss broader cultural implications, the NFL's decision-making, and the waning influence of shared cultural moments. The conversation transitions into political reflections, economic insights, and a discussion of the Trump economic plan, all delivered in their signature blend of humor and passionate opinion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl 2026: The Game, Halftime, and Commercials

• The Game Fell Flat

  • Both hosts—and even Clay’s 81-year-old father—found the Seahawks-Patriots Super Bowl boring, both in terms of gameplay and spectacle.
    • "The most boring super bowl top, top to bottom that he has watched in his life. From the game to the halftime show and beyond." (Clay, 00:46)
  • Buck jokingly declares he’s "retiring" from watching the Super Bowl, calling this his only NFL game of the year. (02:25)

• Commercials Disappoint

  • Clay criticizes the lackluster, expensive ads:
    • "To spend $8 million, $10 million on these ads and be as boring, pedestrian and lacking in basic, you know, memory as many of these were..." (Clay, 01:31)
  • Conversation on how commercials and the event overall lack cultural impact.

2. Halftime Show Controversy – Bad Bunny and ‘Cowardice’ in the NFL

• Language & Cultural Representation

  • Both hosts strongly objected to the Super Bowl halftime being performed primarily in Spanish, arguing it alienates the majority English-speaking audience.
    • "You can't have the signature American cultural event of the year be performed in a language other than English." (Clay, 03:22)
    • They argue it wouldn’t happen the other way "if the entire halftime show in Mexico were in English." (Clay, 04:04)
  • Clay differentiates this show from J Lo and Shakira’s “Latin-infused” performance in Miami, which he thought was fitting in that context.

• NFL’s Leadership Criticized

  • Hosts suggest that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league are “run by cowards,” too concerned with political correctness and unwilling to make decisions benefiting the sport and fans.
    • "Because the NFL is so successful, it's run by cowards who are not willing to actually make any decisions that should be made for the betterment of the sport." (Clay, 04:53)

• Production Value vs. Content

  • Clay concedes the stagecraft was impressive:
    • "The physical structure...was impressive to get that out on the field, to get it done. You only have 12 or 13 minutes..." (Clay, 05:45)
  • Both agree the content/lyrics and overall show were a "swing and a miss," with Buck calling the music "garbage" and "degeneracy."
    • "His music is garbage. The performance was garbage." (Buck, 10:50)

• Memorable Quotes

  • "Nobody has any idea what's being said in Spanish. He's mumbling the most grotesque stuff imaginable." (Buck, 10:58)
  • "I live in Miami. There's plenty of beautiful Latin culture. That was not it, ok?" (Buck, 11:13)

• Turning Point ‘Competing’ Halftime Show

  • Discussion on Turning Point’s attempt at an alternative halftime show, but acknowledge it’s inherently always “junior varsity” next to the real event.
    • "You're the JV team no matter what you do." (Clay, 13:40)

3. A Glimmer of Positive – The Sam Darnold Story

• Underdog Triumph
  • Clay highlights Seahawks QB Sam Darnold as a "hell of a story" for prevailing against the odds, including the trivia that his grandfather was the original Marlboro Man. (07:23-08:10)

4. Broader Cultural & Political Reflections

• Shared Cultural Moments Are Disappearing

  • Clay and Buck muse on how the Super Bowl remains one of the few remaining truly shared American cultural events.
  • Award shows, the Olympics, and debates are mentioned as other (dwindling) examples. (01:31)

• Politics > Football?

  • Buck suggests political news, particularly Trump's statements and economic successes, are "way more interesting a spectator sport than that football game". (09:02)

5. Stock Market & Economic Talk

• Trump-era Gains

  • Buck references Trump's recent projection:
    • “Record stock market and national security driven by our great tariffs. I'm predicting 100,000 on the Dow by the end of my term.” (Buck quoting Trump, 08:29)
  • Discussion of how the U.S. economy and stock market are booming, reflecting positively on Trump's economic approach.
  • Clay and Buck advise “invest, don’t gamble"—highlighting the power of compounding and index funds.
    • "You want to invest. And investing means believing." (Buck, 28:08)
    • “Buy quality companies. Hold them for a long time. Don't worry about the day to day or even the month to month. You're going to do really well.” (Clay, 27:35)

• Trump Accounts for Kids

  • New tax-advantaged account proposal for children under 18, with government seed money and annual contribution limits, is touted as a "brilliant idea." (32:01)

6. Other News and Culture

• Jeffrey Epstein Files

  • Brief analysis of the Epstein revelations suggests shame rather than provable criminality among the famous individuals linked to him.
    • “The amount of powerful people that were in Jeffrey Epstein's social circle is certainly substantial. I have not seen anything that looks to me like, oh, that is a hundred percent criminal.” (Clay, 21:25)
  • Epstein's strategy to target "ultra-rich, over the hill" men highlighted. (22:15-23:55)

• Listener Reactions

  • Call-in/talkback from a listener (Buster from Memphis) supports Buck’s halftime rant:
    • “That rant...about Bad Bunny and the halftime show, that is exactly what we want to hear from you guys...Thank you, Buck, for telling it like it is, about the idiocy and the moral degeneracy of that halftime show.” (Buster, 35:15)
  • Buck affirms the audience’s feelings and maintains the cultural critique.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On cultural language:
  • "You can't have the signature American cultural event of the year be performed in a language other than English." (Clay, 03:22)
• On NFL leadership:
  • "Because the NFL is so successful, it's run by cowards who are not willing to actually make any decisions that should be made for the betterment of the sport." (Clay, 04:53)
• On halftime show:
  • "His music is garbage. The performance was garbage." (Buck, 10:50)
  • "If there is a musical act and you have no idea what the musical act said by the end of the performance, it is not an ideal musical act." (Buck, 36:11)
• On investing:
  • "You make good decisions by quality companies. Hold them for a long time. Don't worry about the day to day or even the month to month. You're going to do really well." (Clay, 27:35)
• On American culture:
  • "The Super Bowl...is almost the last major cultural event that everybody shares in real time together." (Clay, 01:31)
• Listener feedback:
  • “That rant...about Bad Bunny and the halftime show, that is exactly what we want to hear from you guys...Thank you, Buck, for telling it like it is, about the idiocy and the moral degeneracy of that halftime show.” (Buster, 35:15)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:46 – Super Bowl game/halftime assessment
• 01:31 – Cultural importance and decline in shared moments
• 03:22-06:00 – Halftime show language, representation, and NFL critique
• 07:23 – Sam Darnold’s victory and background
• 08:29 – Trump’s stock market comments
• 09:02 – Politics as spectator sport
• 10:50 – Explicit criticism of Bad Bunny and performance
• 21:25-23:55 – Jeffrey Epstein social circle & revelations
• 27:35 – Investing advice
• 32:01 – Trump accounts for kids
• 35:15 – Listener call supporting the show’s stance on halftime

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Tone and Style

True to the show, the conversation is fast-paced, direct, and often irreverent, featuring both sharp criticism and camaraderie. Clay and Buck’s exchanges are peppered with humor, personal anecdotes, and enthusiasm for pushing back against what they perceive as cultural and political failings. The tone is opinionated, sometimes mocking, and appeals directly to their core audience’s frustrations with mainstream entertainment and politics.

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In summary:
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton use the recent Super Bowl as a springboard to critique not only the NFL and halftime entertainment, but also to comment on broader shifts in American culture, media, and politics. Their discussion weaves together sports analysis, national identity, investment advice, and cultural critique, all delivered in their trademark sharp and accessible style.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[B]

Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Congrats to Seattle, the Seahawks beating down Bucks beloved New England Patriots in a Super Bowl. That was, according to my 81 believe he's 81, 81 year old dad. The most boring super bowl top, top to bottom that he has watched in his life. From the game to the halftime show and beyond. It was not particularly enticing. Maybe the highlight my beloved Backstreet Boys stealing the day also I understand. Sources have told me that the family of Buck Sexton himself even has a member traveling to the Backstreet Boys show. For those of you out there who remember that conversation, I was at dinner.

[A]

And my sister with family and my sister in law was outraged at my assertion that nobody really goes to see the Backstreet Boys anymore because she is, as we speak, a holder of Backstreet Boy at the Sphere tickets and is heading to Vegas in a matter of days. I had no idea, Clay. I had no idea.

[B]

Inside your own household. Nearly Buck Sexton finding out that the Backstreet Boys are still dominating the American cultural landscape.

[A]

And they were all right.

[B]

They were involved in two different ads. If I remember correctly last night the ads also were really bad. I mean to spend 8 million, $10 million on these ads and be as boring, pedestrian and lacking in basic, you know, memory as many of these were. We'll get into this because I do think culturally we have very few events where everybody in America by and large still shows up and experiences things together. Super Bowl, I would ask is the, I would suggest is almost the last major cultural event that everybody shares in real time together. Debates can be that in terms of the audience, they produce big NFL events, we're told talk some about the Winter Olympics and how I think frankly disrespectful about. A lot of athletes have been, I mean maybe award shows a little bit, but there's not very many of those anymore.

[A]

I'm out after this year. I'm out. I went to a Super bowl party. Everyone there was very nice. That was the highlight. The game was boring as hell. The super bowl halftime was. The whole thing is absurd. Don't make it political. The whole thing was political, you babies. Ok, we're not all, we're not all fools and, and the game stunk and these guys are all.

[B]

You're not going to watch the super bowl anymore. You are retiring from Super Bowl. I don't imagine that that is a very common perspective. But I would imagine that there are some. Some of you probably have already retired.

[A]

Just because this would have been the only. This was the only professional football game I watched all year. I'm bringing that number down to zero. I'm bringing it down to zero.

[B]

You did get to watch the national championship game in college football in person between Miami and Indiana. So you did get to. Yeah, that was the game itself. The cultural experience. All right, let's go in to your point on bad. The Bad Bunny. A halftime.

[A]

The Bad Bunny. Senor Bad Bunny.

[B]

Senor Bad Bunny. Here is what I would say, and I don't understand how anyone could disagree with this. You can't have the signature American cultural event of the year be performed in a language other than English. I don't know sometimes what Roger Goodell is thinking. I believe, frankly, that he's an old white guy who is afraid to. Of drawing more attention to his old whiteness. And so he defers far too often to people when it comes to brand decisions made by the NFL. And I just have to say, first of all, the vast majority of people is 120 million or so that are watching the super bowl have no idea who Bad bunny is. And 95%, probably of the people who are watching the Super Bowl, English is their language. So you can't do a performance in a foreign language, period. This would not happen. And by the way, I would say the same thing. I don't know what the biggest sporting event is of Mexico, but if the entire halftime show in Mexico were in English, I would say that's a swing and miss for Mexico, for Latin American countries, for European countries, for their signature cultural event. Now people are going to say, well, world. World Cups, for the whole world. You know, it's different. If Bad Bunny had been the half the, you know, some sort of World cup performer, I would have said, okay, foreign language. That makes sense. This. The world of soccer is not entirely speaking English.

[A]

Yes, this was. This was football, not football. Yes.

[B]

And so I think that a lot of times, because the NFL is so successful, it's run by cowards who are not willing to actually make any decisions that should be made for the betterment of the sport. And I think Roger Goodell is a good example of that. I think he completely whiffed the only thing positive I'll say about the halftime show in general. I've been to three Super Bowls. It's really hard to bring the entire stage out at halftime and execute it. The actual structure, which looked almost like A Broadway play. The way he walked through, the fact that the trees were actual.

[A]

You're saying the production value.

[B]

The production value. Leave us. Leave aside. You know, I, I didn't know anything that he was singing. I didn't know anything but the actual physical. If you ask me for a positive. The physical structure.

[A]

Clay shaves his beard down to a mustache and all of a sudden he's reviewing Broadway.

[B]

I, I will say the physical structure of the event, leaving aside the performance itself was, was impressive to get that out on the field, to get it done. You only have 12 or 13 minutes, whatever the heck it is. But there are a lot of people that would have made sense that, that everybody would have known that would have sung in English. And for people out there who say, well, it's such a huge part of acknowledging Latin culture. I lived in the Caribbean. I, I love San Juan. Old San Juan is one of the jewels of the Caribbean. I've spent more time in Puerto Rico than 99% of people in the United States have. I. We already had Jennifer Lopez who sang in English. We had Shakira in. It was only a couple of years ago that we had a Latin infused performance. I believe it was in Miami, which made sense. Hey, we want someone who has a Latin in, you know, infusion to perform in Miami. I thought Jennifer Lopez and Shakira at the Miami super bowl was great. We just had that a few years ago. I don't think you can say, well, the super bowl has ignored its Hispanic audience. It hasn't at all. And so I think, think, unfortunately, the game was so boring and there were so few actual major cultural signposts that occurred in the game. And the commercials were so awful that most people are probably talking about the halftime show today. Now. Congratulations, Sam Darnold. If you want a really positive story, Buck, this a guy who got his teeth kicked in, played for the Jets. Everybody said he was a bust, jumped all over five different teams, believed in himself, had a good year last year with the Vikings and then wins the super bowl for the Seattle Seahawks when nobody thought he could do it. That is a hell of a story. You want to know a fun story about him? His grandfather, Buck was the original Marl. Marlboro man. You know those old school commercials, Cowboy and the Marlboro. I can't even say it. Marlboro commercials. That was his grandfather. Guy by the name of. This is a real name. Dick Hammer. Yeah, that's his real name. Grandfather of Sam Darnold. So that's pretty strong Americana. Back in the day and Sam Darnold from just a good, by all intents and purposes, everybody loves him, wasn't a high level recruit, kind of came out of nowhere at Southern Cal and now becomes a Super bowl champ. He didn't play that well. He played better than Drake May. He played better than most of the people on the offensive side of the ball did for either team. And so as a result, the story is primarily Bad Bunny, which President Trump ripped. And President Trump's still unhappy, by the way, with the kickoff. But I just think it was a, it was a swing and a miss by the NFL in their biggest and most important game of the year.

[A]

I, like I said my, my biggest and by the way, we're going to get to a lot of policy and politics today on the show, including Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum will be with us in the second hour. We talk the save act in the third hour with the Daily callers, Ashley Brassfield. So we got a lot to get into. Plus, Clay, I thought the most important news of the last 24 hours, including the super bowl was this from Trump. Record stock market and national security driven by our great tariffs. I'm predicting 100,000 on the Dow by the end of my term. Remember, Trump was right about everything, all caps. I hope the United States Supreme Court is watching right now. Going to tell you this, politics is way more interesting a spectator sport than that football game. There's no question. Way more interesting stuff going on than certainly the first half of that game. Clay, I was at a child like a kid friendly super bowl party. So people had their 2 year olds and 4 year olds and everything there. And you know, I'll tell you, the whole thing was kind of everyone being loud and throwing toys everywhere and everything else. Kind of glad they were because the game was so boring. At least the kids were keeping us entertained. You know, at least the parents were scurrying around chasing after them. Not really much going on at all. But the stock market is kicking ass. America right now under Trump is doing really well. And I don't know, I think that the, I just don't think the super bowl was a good spectator experience. And the, the thing about the super bowl halftime show was I didn't even watch the commercials. Everyone told me they're terrible. I don't really care about them. They haven't been good in a long time. So I've, I expect that that's not something that's going to change the super bowl halftime show. You know, this was a decision made and it is political. And there were political undertones in the performance, obviously. Like the whole, you know, holding the flag and like marching together at the end thing. And, you know, we're very aware of what's going on here. I just don't. Don't make political decisions and then tell people who are annoyed by your dumb politic. Why are you making it political? Because they made it political. It's very straightforward. Like you, you can't say. This is like, you know, if you call someone a name and then they respond, you go, why are you starting a fight with me? No, you started it. They started it with this. This wasn't about entertaining everybody.

[B]

I also think that the people who said, oh, it was so good, they're lying.

[A]

So his music sucks. These people.

[B]

I mean, his music is garbage.

[A]

Garbage.

[B]

The performance was garbage. The performance was no good.

[A]

Nobody has any idea what's being said in Spanish. Okay? He's mumbling the most grotesque stuff imaginable into the. And it's all auto tuned. And also, you know, on. I know he's lip syncing, but if you actually see what he's saying, Clay, it's disgusting. It's like that WAP song basically, but un espanol. The whole thing is grotesque. It's degeneracy. Why she didn't have to sit and be. Oh, it's so good. It's Latin culture on display. I, I live in Miami. There's plenty of beautiful Latin culture. That was not it, ok? And I don't care how many people like it. We can all speak the truth.

[B]

I love.

[A]

What was it? What was his name? The most annoying politician to come out of Ohio in a long time. Kasich. Was it Kasich? Oh, it's a beautiful, beautiful cultural expression or whatever.

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're.

[A]

You're really down with an espanol here, buddy. Give me a break. This is people that are just desperate.

[B]

For the applause from the cool kids.

[A]

And I don't care what the cool kids like anymore.

[B]

That show was trash. Also, the cool kids aren't actually that cool because when you're bending over backwards to support whatever the popular thing is from the cultural ascendancy to the extent it still exists of the left, then I think you are actually just a follower, which is the most boring thing you can be out there. I will say, culturally, I do wonder. The turning point halftime show. The concept of doing a different halftime show. Now, I think partly it's going to be a determinant on who the selection is going forward to Perform as to whether this thing continues to grow. You know, for instance, if Nashville gets a Super bowl, which it is in 2029 or 2030, I would imagine they will have a super famous ensemble of country music singers that perform at the Super bowl in 29 or 30. I don't think there's going to be a suddenly a rush for Turning Point to do an alternative show to that broadcast. So I wonder how much the selection of the performer is going to impact going forward. I would say they got to end this. Letting Jay Z pick the performer. That was a bend to the knee during 2020 woke up. Roc Nation gets paid X number of dollars to pick. They got to just go ahead and end that once and for all and just. I mean, there's lots of people who would love to play at the super bowl of a variety of different musical persuasions.

[A]

I just. The problem that I think Turning Point runs into with this is it's a little bit like their rebuttal to the State of the Union. You're always going to be in a junior second place that you're not. It's not the Super Bowl. Yeah, I appreciate the effort. I'm not putting them down. I'm just saying you're inherently in a.

[B]

And you're.

[A]

You're the JV team no matter what you do.

[B]

It's even more challenging than that, Buck, because at least in the rebuttal, you're on the same channel so people can stay.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

You have to get people to go to YouTube. You have to get them to go to Rumble or wherever else they have to leave their existing. I mean, we, we. I put on both, so I was like, I just want to see them side by side. And it was challenging to get them both up and running.

[A]

We have to. I mean, I don't really think like a response to it is necessarily the. The answer. We just people who love traditional and. And like decent and artistically beautiful. How about that word beautiful? There's nothing beautiful about that halftime perform. I mean, some of the women were very good looking, but you know, there's nothing like an artistry perspective in terms of the music. You say, oh, yeah, wow, that's really incredible. The fact that it's in Spanish means that they get away with the. The lyrics translations that are going around everywhere. It's absolutely disgusting. And there are people who speak Spanish in this country and they know what the lyrics are. And you know, everyone's supposed to think this is okay. It's not. So, you know, and they can Call us nerds all day long. But honestly, man, Hollywood, current state of music, these people are. These people are degenerates. And I actually wear their disdain like a badge of honor. Like, the more. The more they want to call us nerds, and the more they want to say, yeah, that's right. People that want to work on, like, being good citizens. Citizens being good people taking care of their neighbors, being smart, being strong, reading books, listening to worthwhile music, understanding the classics, you know, being practicing Christians or practicing Jews or whatever, and actually trying to be. Yeah, that's all silly. Go to a bad bunny show. That guy's what you should really aspire to. I mean, look at all these people. Look at what they say on social media. They're all morons, by the way. They're all idiots. And most of them have, like, a sixth grade reading level at best, that we, like, exalt for their musical artistry and brilliance and everything. I mean, look at. Look at the letter Kanye just put out. Look at all the people that were kissing Kanye's butt for all these years. Kanye's a lunatic. People were worshiping. This lunatic truly even admits he's like, yeah, I'm crazy. And people are like, oh, Kanye's a genius. Anna Winters like, oh, I'm sitting at the Met gala with Kanye. My friends, Emperor has no clothes. It's all trash. It's all trash. Just be confident in that and keep listening to this show, because this show's cool. That's what I got for you. That's my little rant for today.

[B]

That is. Sorry, old man. Old man. Buck, if I'm you're asking me for a positive, I gave you the Sam Darnold. And again, the staging of the show with my mustache, since I'm a savant when it comes to staging, was impressive.

[A]

Your mustache is amazing, by the way. We need a lot of social media here of Clay's mustache today ever. Because I honestly, I think the mustache should be here to stay. Personally, we need the grannies of the Midwest to weigh in on this one. So, Clay, tweet out that photo before and after. I think the mustache, it's very Tom Selleck. Let's give respect where it's due. It's very Tom Selleck. All right. With the rise of AI and deepfakes, your online identity is at risk more than ever before. FBI is on record letting everyone know that scammers have developed a sophisticated method for impersonating your bank. Cybercriminals can manipulate AI to populate online search results. With fake contact info. I just had somebody who got hacked to reach out to me over the weekend in dm. I almost clicked on it, but I didn't. But guess what? This happens all the time. You need Lifelock. Lifelock has your back online when it comes to identity theft protection. And if you do become a victim of identity theft, a restoration specialist at Lifelock will fix it, guaranteed. Or your Money back. Join now Save 40% off your first year with my name Buck. When you sign up online or over the phone, whichever's easiest, call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online at lifelock.com use promo code BUCK for 40% off lifelock.com promo code BUCK terms apply.

[B]

We got a quick turn here. When we come back we will dive into this Nancy Guthrie story that is still going on. Buck.

[A]

And can I give you something really quick though just for anyone who's asking. You know how Spotify has a your age listening thing Just while people are asking me about my, you know, my listening age is. I kid you not. I screenshot of this 90.

[B]

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[A]

A little bit of Creed. Sometimes even a little bit Nickelback. No shame in that game. No shame in that game. Oh yeah, I get after it. I get.

[B]

I'm not sure Scott staff even works out to Creed. I know him. His son was on the little league team with my son. So he's a good guy. So he's gonna be super excited about that. That was a show for the ages. Have you seen where that has gone viral. Every now and then people show it. Like the performance halftime show with Creed was amazing. Yeah, well, I'm not sure if that was the Super Bowl. I think it was the halftime show of one of the Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving specials, but also with a huge, a huge audience. And so, so that in and of itself is, is is interesting. We should mention the Nancy Guthrie story is still going on Buck. And today is supposedly at 7pm Eastern. I think is supposed to be the deadline for when they are going to pay and potentially be able to get her back. And so we will see what ends up happening there. Everything about this has been strange. Savannah Guthrie did another video. I think they've done two now, if I'm not mistaken, saying, hey, we want her back. We got your message. The whole thing seems quite strange. I will just say in general, but that is potentially going to get some form of resolution tonight. And then I don't know. I, I, we talked about this some last week. The Jeffrey Epstein revelations, they continue now. They're going to let the congressional members go in and see the unredacted versions of some of these emails and images and everything else in Congress. I don't know if I speak for you. The amount of powerful people that were in Jeffrey Epstein's social circle is certainly substantial. I have not seen anything that looks to me like, oh, that is a hundred percent criminal. Is it untoward? Is it embarrassing? Is it shameful? In many different ways from a moral perspective, you. Yes, but I haven't seen anything that suggests at least that's been released. Oh, this is someone who likely committed a crime and they're getting away with it. And here is the evidence to prove that. I think it's primarily been a shame issue and a lot of people have lost their jobs. Now one of the prominent lawyers I think is one of the biggest law firms in, in the country. I think that's probably the biggest takeaway for me. Anything else from you that you've noticed? I mean, there are tons of articles I read all over the weekend about all the rich and powerful that he was interacting with. He certainly was adept at maintaining relationships with people in a position of power, often through the use of attractive women. But that seems to be the story overall.

[A]

I think that one, one commonality that comes comes across from reading through the Epstein files that have been released is you see, the people that he was going after tended to be older rich guys who would not in their, through the course of their what they normally do in a day have a lot of Attractive. I'm talking about women now. I'm not talking about underage girls or anything, but even just be around attractive women. As in he was going for kind of, you know, overweight, over the hill politicians, you know, people that work at universities like Larry Summers, the Silicon Valley guys who have a lot of money but not a lot of, you know, swagger and charm with the ladies. Like you see. What you don't see with him are big, like, like big. You don't really see a lot of big Hollywood actors. You don't see no one Movie stars.

[B]

You don't see, you know, one who could actually meet girls was interacting with Jeffrey Epstein.

[A]

That's basically where I'm going with this. Yes. Nobody who had any ability to find. Again, I'm talking about attractive of age women tended to spend much. It's like the bit like Bill Gates is a perfect. I know Bill Gates is married, but as we know, not really in Bill Gates's mind. You know, Bill Gates is a perfect example of exactly who Epstein wanted, which is an ultra rich, you know, over the hill, middle aged guy who needs a girdle and a bra and like probably wants to be around some Victoria's Secret models. That's, that's who he, that's who he really. That was like the archetype of the Epstein associate, if you will.

[B]

I'll also point this out. I think the way that he got his money is becoming clearer and clearer. First of all, it appears he just stole tons of money from the Victoria's Secret founder, which that would make sense. Which then allowed him. There's a big article about the venture capital and private equity worlds Buck. He was getting access to all of these super exclusive private equity raising opportunities and he was making tons of money on that. And we talked a little bit about this last week. But for people who don't know, a lot of companies don't go public now until they're worth hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe even trillions. And so all of that value that used to be. There's a good story about Amazon went public. Do you know what the market cap for Amazon was when it went public? Buck $500 million. Now it's a trillion dollars. So if you simply bought stock as any one of you out there could have in Amazon when it went public, you would have millions of dollars now because of the value now when SpaceX goes public, it's going to go public at $1.5 trillion. All of that value, that money typically is not going to be revealed in the Public market. So access to people who are rich was one way that Epstein used that access to get supremely rich.

[A]

Yes. Access into these deals, being in the room, so to speak, having the right connections to get into these deals is enormous. And that's the whole story of a lot of these, like some of these guys from like the all in podcast and the Silicon Valley guys. Oh, I don't know. I mean, Peter Thiel is a super, you know, he's a super connected billionaire. If Peter Thiel comes to you, and again, a lot of respect for Peter Thiel and he goes, hey, I know this guy. Do you want to invest in this deal? And you're probably going to say yes. You know, it's like a smart move to do.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You see the, the PayPal mafia, they call them. You see these guys who are in this place where they had access to, and look, they obviously made all this money, so they get full credit for what they did. But I'm just saying that you gotta, you gotta know the right people to be able to get into some of these things. And it's not rocket science. SpaceX is, but it's not rocket science to know that when you have something that's backed by an Elon, a teal, you know, go down the list, any of these guys are involved, it's gonna do really, really well. And so to your point, Clay, the general public, by the time now they have the ability to buy into some of these ideas. The stock has been so inflated through all the private equity infusions that you're gonna have to wait a very long time, perhaps to get a return. But to be fair, look at Tesla though. And we were, you know, look at Tesla year over year. I'll tell. I bought a bunch of Tesla a year ago because, you know, and Trump said. Trump was like, buy Tesla. Yeah, I think you would have been. I mean, I don't, I haven't checked the stock right now, but as of a few weeks or a couple months ago, it was up like a hundred percent or something. Crazy.

[B]

Yeah. And I will say the best call that we made in 2025, you mentioned the fact that the stock market. Yeah, stock market went over 50,000. The Dow did the S&P 500, as I'm looking right now is within like 67,000. Is the, it's, it's within like a point, a percentage point of being at an all time high. If you listen to us, In April of 2025, when the world was panicked over tariffs in Trump economic policy, we said do not sell. In fact, we also said if you have money on the sideline, now is probably a good time to buy. If you bought at the bottom, you're up over 40% just since April in your stocks and the stocks are at record highs. So if you just. I love when you just said you've got Tesla and you haven't even been checking the price. I love when I hear that. Because if you're obsessively looking at your stocks every minute of every day, you often respond emotionally when you buy. You make good decisions by quality companies. Hold them for a long time. Don't worry about the day to day or even the month to month. You're going to do really well.

[A]

Well, I'll tell you the. This is the difference between investing and gambling. If you're day trading or even trying to time a stock, as in, like, I know when to buy it and I know when to sell it, there are very few people. Some people can do that or they can do it well, but they tend to be operating at a very high level and have a lot. You know, there's a very specific skill set that is not for people to just do because they think that they're going to be smart. You're going that. That is a fool's game. Overwhelmingly, you don't want to gamble, which would be like day trading or getting in and out and getting in and out. You want to invest. And investing means believing. And this is also why they say investing in just the broadest, the broadest indexes in the US Economy. This is what the whole Trump accounts is about, by the way, which is a brilliant idea. This is a brilliant idea and it's something that everyone should get, you know, get, get involved in and understand. I did not understand compound interest really until I was in my 30s and I was.

[B]

Almost no one understands it still, by and large, by the way, this is why financial awareness is such, maybe the number one thing that should be taught in schools that is not teaching kids how to understand investing. And like you said, the power of a dollar invested.

[A]

I was just having a conversation and this is the thing. I speak to all of you and so does Clay. We speak to you the same way and the same issues we do with our family and friends. And so I'll just tell you, I was having conversation with a family member and I was playing that family member for, for, for her child. You know what I said, I've got an idea. Just start putting away. And I think the number we agreed on was like $200 or $300, you know, a month, which is not a small sum of money for. I understand budgets are tight. But I was like this, you know, she feels like she can do. I was like, just do that. Now the kid is very young. He's, you know, single, single digit age, right? And I said just do that and just put it into this s and P500 fund. I said, unless the US economy gets cut in half, we get invaded by China or whatever. I showed her what this would be worth just using a simple calculator. By the time this is the basis of Trump accounts. To be clear, this isn't some digression from it matters. Trump is setting this up. More and more people are realizing this here. By the time you're 35, you're looking at a seven figure account. I mean by setting aside just discipline, a little bit of money every, you know, by the way, if it's $100 a month, you can take out a simple compound interest calculator online. Just say if I put $100 a month away from my, my. But you know, this is the thing, you got to start. Start when they're one, start when they're born, start when they're five or even 10 years old. Because the time is what works for you here. And you just keep doing this and you don't touch it. I mean, Clay, the numbers are, are incredible. They're not incredible in five years, they're not incredible in 10 years. In 25, in 30 years, the numbers start to look really, really good. And this is, and you're able to invest in the US Economy and just the growth and the continued expansion of American wealth, you can passively be a part of that is the way this whole system goes. Now people could say you could be like, oh no, I'm only into Bitcoin. And like I don't believe in the whole market's going to crash in fiat currency.

[B]

Guess what?

[A]

If that's going to happen, it's not. Nothing's going to matter anyway.

[B]

Yeah, correct. So what are we just have a bunch of guns and we're going to basically live in a purge like society. But yes, I put most of my money IN S&P 500 index funds because over time, if you believe in the, of the company, the growth of the country, the 500 biggest companies in the, in the United States are going to do very well. You're going to make about 9, 10% a year on average, which is a phenomenal return every 10 years. At minimum, you're going to double and just start doing the math on that. Doesn't matter where you start, you're going to end up in a lot better place.

[A]

This is, this is really, this is real, everyone. Starting on July 4, 2026, for children under 18, there'll be a tax advantaged Trump account. It's a new idea that the Trump team has come up with. Personal employer charitable contributions up to $5,000 annually. Any US citizen with a Social Security number can do this. And clay, the government will provide $1,000 seed for children. Everyone should do this for their kids or grandkids.

[B]

Get it? If you're out there and you've got more assets than your kids do right now, which is not uncommon. A lot of people in their 20s, 30s for when you got young kids. It's sometimes hard to build wealth in the same way that you can. I mean, the wealthiest people out there are in their 60s, 70s and 80s. That's the reality because they've had the time to build wealth. Families over time too. Look, unfortunately we didn't hit on our prize picks pick. It's partly due to the fact that that the the performance overall the offenses was not elite. But prize picks available in all 50 states. We're going to give you picks. California, Texas, Florida and Georgia. You can download the prize picks app today. It's a lot of fun. A lot of you did. It's easy to use. Use my name Clay as the code. You got $50 instantly in lineups when you play $5. You can play in California, you can play in Texas, you can play in Florida. I had a buddy text me from the super bowl and he said, how crazy is this that you can't legally gamble in the state of California? And I said it is kind of crazy. And I said, but you can play prize picks prizepix.com code clay that's prizepix.com code Clay. California, Texas, Georgia, all 50 states, $50 when you play $5. A lot of basketball coming this way. Believe it or not, March Madness going to be here before we know it. And prize picks makes all that more fun. That's prizepix.com code clay.

[A]

Unlike the super bowl halftime show, we actually love America. Let's get Robert in Indiana. Who wants to talk about that? Robert, welcome, welcome. You are welcome. Yes. Hi. Welcome to the show. Well, oh, I think we whiffed on this one. And he was going to say good things too. I, I bet it was going to be amazing.

[B]

I don't see if you can get Robert back up one bit. Of tip for callers pretend that the. The gun has just gone off on a hundred meter race. When we say a name that sounds like yours, I. Look, I used to call into radio shows. I would just. Oh, yeah, back when I was a kid, I called into sports talk radio shows. I. I loved them. And so I have had experience as a caller on. On radio shows.

[A]

This is also why I love the talkbacks. Because we know what we're getting. We know we're getting. There's no phone connection issue. F. Buster from Memphis. Let's hear from Buster.

[C]

Look, I just want to tell you, that rant you gave about Bad Bunny and the halftime show, that is exactly what we want to hear from you guys rather than Clay trying to find a positive. Thank you, Buck, for telling it like it is, about the idiocy and the moral degeneracy of that halftime show last night. That was what we love to hear.

[A]

I appreciate that. I mean, Clay was just. He's calling balls and strikes on production value. I'm not going to throw him under that impressive product. No one likes throwing Clay under the bus faster than me, but, like, I don't think we could. You know, he's just saying it was. It was. I mean, there's high end production value. It was just degenerate, degenerate trash that had bad music. I mean, that people writing in like. What did you not like about it? The fact that you could replace Bad Bunny with anyone dressed like Bad Bunny and have them mumble in Spanish and none of you would know the difference. None of you would know the difference. Not a single person who pretends they like this guy.

[B]

If there is a musical act and you have no idea what the musical act said by the end of the performance, it is not an ideal musical act. And that's the case for 95%. By the way. My tip on callers, just anytime that caller's name is announced, pretend it's you and start talking. If it's not you, nobody cares if it is you. You've hit the ground running and you're ready to go. There's nothing wrong with answering a question and being ready to go in advance. Good prep. From one caller back in the day to another.

[A]

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