Hour 1 - Toxic Empathy Exposed

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 - Toxic Empathy Exposed
Date: August 28, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Guest: Mary Margaret Olahan (Daily Wire White House Correspondent)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the aftermath of a recent school shooting in Minneapolis involving a trans-identifying shooter, drawing parallels to the Nashville Covenant School shooting. They scrutinize what they call “toxic empathy” and its societal impacts—particularly regarding trans issues, mental health, and policy responses. The hosts also discuss rhetoric from Democratic leaders, the consequences of political language, and failures in school security. Special guest Mary Margaret Olahan shares her reporting on Minnesota’s response to school safety threats and offers guidance to parents navigating gender ideology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. School Shooting in Minneapolis: Tragedy, Patterns, and Toxic Empathy

• Opening Reflection (00:40): The hosts react to the news of a "trans terrorist shooter," noting disturbing findings like “kill Donald Trump” written on the firearm and antisemitic statements.
  • Clay Travis (01:05): “It’s time for good people... to really significantly stop trying to be kind and be willing to acknowledge that almost everyone who is claiming that they're trans has a severe mental illness.”
  • Emphasize “toxic empathy": the idea that well-intentioned acceptance of trans-identifying youth is worsening their mental health.
• Pattern Comparison:
  • Both the Minneapolis and Nashville shooters were trans-identifying former students of religious schools, who targeted Christian children after thorough surveillance.
  • Clay Travis (03:41): “Demons live among us. And this person was a demon. And there are so many, unfortunately, different factors that go into this.”

2. Media, Political Rhetoric & Consequences

• Media Memory-Holing and Blame (05:48): Recalling other acts of violence (e.g., the Dallas police shooting and the Scalise baseball field shooting), the hosts argue that radical rhetoric can contribute to unbalanced individuals committing violence.
• Dems’ High-Level Rhetoric (07:28–08:54):
  • Critique of Gov. Gavin Newsom’s suggestion that Trump would try to prevent a 2028 election; concern over how such statements influence fringe elements.
  • Clay Travis (08:38): “He is a dictator in the making. You will lose everything you hold dear. He's either a liar, which we all know he is, or he's so crazy that he doesn't understand that people hear this and they take him seriously.”
  • Buck points out a previous Trump assassination attempt where the attacker cited “Trump is Hitler” as rationale, connecting this to hyperbolic left-wing rhetoric.

3. Health & Psychological Profiles: Political and Societal Implications

• The hosts criticize the Democratic Party as fostering psychological instability and emotional dysfunction, arguing that their rhetoric justifies extreme actions by unstable individuals.
  • Buck Sexton (10:45): “The Republican Party is the party of psychological stability in America today. Just a fact.”

4. Toxic Empathy and Youth Transgender Care

• “Toxic Empathy” Defined (14:17): Parents are emotionally blackmailed into permitting medical transitions, often told by professionals, “your kid will kill themselves unless you listen.”
  • Buck Sexton (14:56): “It's emotional blackmail on parents, and it makes me sick, honestly.”
• Veterans with PTSD analogy: The hosts argue that affirming trauma as normal would be negligent, so why should gender dysphoria be treated differently?

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Political Rhetoric & Violence:
  • Clay Travis (08:38): “You will lose your country, Clay. He’s a dictator in the making. You will lose everything you hold dear.”
  • Buck Sexton (09:43): “These lies have consequences, because in the brain of broken people, they accept them as truth.”
• On Medicalizing Youth Transgender Identity:
  • Buck Sexton (14:17): “They are manufacturing delusions and emotionally creating empathy, which actually is toxic for many of the people the empathy is being created for.”
  • Clay Travis (15:04): “Imagine if veterans came back and they had severe PTSD and we said, no, no, no, no, no... That would — it's completely insane. It's destructive.”
• On Empathy and Parental Responsibility:
  • Mary Margaret Olahan (26:23): “My advice would be: do your research… Don’t trust medical institutions. Do some basic research and realize you’re not alone.”

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Deep Dive: Interview with Mary Margaret Olahan (20:58–33:16)

School Security Failures & Government Response

• Key Reporting: After the Nashville shooting, Catholic and private school leaders in Minnesota warned Governor Tim Walz about security threats, requesting increased support. Nothing substantive was done.
  • Mary Margaret Olahan (22:36): “They expressed these concerns to [Gov. Walz]... But ultimately nothing was done.”
  • Mary Margaret Olahan (23:13): “When I asked Tim Walz’s team... they gave me an evasive answer and didn’t even address that actual question.”
  • Minnesota instead prioritized legislation establishing the state as a “trans refuge.”

Advice to Parents Navigating Gender Identity in Children

• Olahan's Guidance (26:23+):
  • Do not panic or trust blindly—do research, seek community, remove kids from toxic school environments, and strictly limit access to online trans content.
  • Highlight organizations: Defending Education, Do No Harm, and detransitioners like Chloe Cole.
  • Mary Margaret Olahan (27:43): "Take their phone away from them—no laptops upstairs. These are some of the biggest dangers that our kids are facing these days.”

Rationale Behind Trans Surgeries

• The hosts question the logic: If gender is not about biology, why pursue surgeries and medications to alter physical sex?
  • Olahan (30:25): “What they try and do to rationalize it is to just give you these platitudes, these ideological sayings... it’s as simple and basic as that. This is just crazy. We shouldn't have to put up with this anymore. We need to protect our kids.”

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Other Important Segments

5. Media, Language, and Prayer

• Clay Travis (18:04, 18:49): Criticizes Democrats' denigration of “thoughts and prayers” after tragedies, with Michael Steele declaring himself "beyond that nonsense"—interpreted as a dismissal of prayer’s value in public discourse.

6. Listener Calls and Audience Sentiment

• Caller Dwayne from Asheville (37:00): Criticizes perceived hypocrisy among doctors who perform gender surgeries on minors but do not support participation in executions.
• Clay Travis (36:05): “Now things have changed. Now you can speak the truth about gender, which is a huge, huge step in the right direction.”

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Timestamps for Crucial Segments

• 00:40 – 04:50: Initial breakdown of the Minneapolis shooting and toxic empathy thesis
• 07:28 – 08:38: Reaction to Gavin Newsom’s comments on future US elections and their dangers
• 14:17 – 15:49: Definition and critique of toxic empathy in trans youth medicalization
• 20:58 – 33:16: Mary Margaret Olahan interview: school safety, parental advice, investigative reporting
• 36:05 – 37:40: Listener call and commentary on medical & ethical inconsistency

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Summary

In a charged, unsparing tone, Clay and Buck argue that misguided empathy—especially regarding transgender youth—entrenches mental illness, puts children at risk, and feeds dangerous political narratives. They draw direct lines between left-wing leadership rhetoric and a climate conducive to political violence, while heavily criticizing both media framing and government inaction on school safety. Their guest, Mary Margaret Olahan, brings investigative rigor and practical advice for parents, warning against institutional and cultural pressures. The episode stands as both a call to “speak hard truths” and a challenge to dominant progressive orthodoxies in education, media, and politics.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us Thursday edition of the program. And we have got a ton to dive into with all of you. Mary Margaret Olahan, who is been with us on before, I think at the rnc, has done really good work looking at Minnesota law as it pertains to the shooting, which we're going to get more into today. The next we hope governor of Virginia win some Sears will be on with us an hour too. And then Trey Gowdy of Fox News and we're going to have to ask him about some of the comments that he has made that went mega viral on FOX News yesterday. He has a book out he was already scheduled to be on. Each of those will be guests respectively in the next three hours. But we begin with all of you and the continued fallout from the awful attack yesterday where a trans terrorist shooter with kill Donald Trump written on the gun 6 million was not enough anti Semitic commentary, evil, true evil that was brought to bear in that attack yesterday. And as more details have come out, I just want to lay this out for you and I would say my statement right off the top is it's time for good people, moms, dads, grandmas, grandpas, all of you out there that cares about kids, to really significantly stop trying to be kind and be willing to acknowledge that almost everyone who is claiming that they're trans has a severe mental illness. And I am. This is a perfect example, I think, of toxic empathy. You're trying to be kind, you're trying to work with the kid in almost all circumstances. That's going to make things worse. And this situation which we just went through in Minneapolis is a horrible echo of what happened in Nashville, Tennessee, back just less than two years ago, I believe. And let me lay this out. You had in both situations a trans shooter who had attended a religious school decide that in the case of Nashville, a girl who was trying to transition to being a boy, in the case of Minneapolis, a boy who was trying to transition to being a girl. Minors who received treatments for their trans delusions decided to go into those schools and try to murder as many young Christian kids as possible. In both situations, they pre stalked their site. They made the decision to try to kill as many people as possible. Buck, as we were just sitting down to start the show, you shared a tweet from Kaitlyn Collins at CNN which says that this killer had been touring the school basically to try to find out the way to kill as many people as possible. It is true evil. And I think the evil, frankly, is being accelerated, is being exacerbated, is being made worse by the fact that these people are on all sorts of drugs, trying to in some way alter the biological reality of their sex.

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And I think it's making, frankly, them more likely to be violent. And I think it's time for reasonable people to stand up against this and say, we have to stop this.

[Clay Travis]

The mass murderer of children here pretended that he was going to go back to the church or that he was trying to come back into the church as a believer and had a previous affiliation with it. So used the connection that he had had previously as a cover for the operational surveillance that he did of a school with kids in it, a defenseless school with kids in it. Demons live among us. And this person was a demon. And there are so many, unfortunately, different factors that go into this. And our society is making a lot of this stuff worse, making a lot of what I think could be handled earlier on. I mean, look, the biggest one for me is the ideology of trans people are able to change their gender. And if you don't believe this, you're a Nazi and you are committing genocide. And this is. There's language like this all over the Internet right now in response to what happened yesterday. That is completely insane.

[Michael Steele]

It's.

[Clay Travis]

It is absolutely reckless. It reminds me, Clay, of the first blm, the first BLM series of protests after Ferguson. There were all these marches and rallies that were going on, and I went to some to cover them. At the time I was working at the blaze, I went to cover these rallies. And you could just go. You'd see at the rallies, they were just talking about evil, racist cops killing black men all the time, all the time, day in and day out. And it's a lie. It's horrible. It's disgraceful. And I understand that most people will hear that and just have really bad politics, be really stupid and vote Democrat. But some people do more than that because they see mobs of people chanting the same slogan. And that ended with, I believe it was five officers in Texas all being gunned down by that BLM maniac who was like, look, these cops are killing unarmed black men. I need to step in and do something about this. And he murdered police officers in cold blood. I think it was five of them.

[Buck Sexton]

Horrific.

[Clay Travis]

By the media is completely memory, memory, hold that. You know, when the media says that if you don't want people to have socialized medicine, you're. You're hoping they die from cancer by the way, we don't even talk really about health care anymore. The Democrats have just made healthcare worse in every respect in this country. Obamacare is an absolute failure. And in every metric you can look at in terms of price, in terms of access, all it gives you is, is coverage you don't use and an excuse to have you subsidize illegals and other people who are in the country. So put, but put that aside for a second. The guy who was shooting at Rand Paul and others and shot Steve Scalise at that baseball diamond was saying, this is for healthcare. Well, you could say, well, oh, you can't blame somebody for, you can't blame an ideology for the, for one person's actions. Well, if the ideology is you're murdering people en masse because of your policy, if you take it to that extent. And this is what brings me then to Trump. They say that Trump is even Gavin Newsom. We can play this. Gavin Newsom is a, is a shameless, soulless liar, a power mad, narcissistic, vile human being. And he's saying that he doesn't think there's going to be an election in 2028. Now, for most Democrats who hear that, it's just, oh, yeah, I hate Trump. You hate Trump. This is a way of expressing our Trump hatred because he's going to seize power forever. But for some people, they hear this and they go, hold on, the governor of California is saying this. Clay, the New York Times is going along with this kind of rhetoric. You know, CNN is going along. Cnn, last night they referred to this guy as a she, by the way.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, we just play that audio.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, well, we'll get to that. Look, here's Newsom. I mean, I know that you've already called him out on this cut 20. Is Gavin Newsom saying that there won't be an election in 28? Play it.

[Michael Steele]

I don't think Donald Trump wants another election. You think for a second you want. I have two dozen Trump 20, 28 hats his folks keep sending me. Who spends $200 million on a ballroom at their home and then leaves the house. This is serious, guys. This is serious.

[Clay Travis]

So it'll be Newsom Trump in 2018.

[Michael Steele]

No, no, this is, there's no. This guy doesn't believe in free, fair elections. He could. He tried to wreck this country. Were you there January 6th? I mean, he tried to light democracy on fire. He dialed for 11, almost 12,000 votes. Now he's doing it in plain sight. And people say, oh, just Trump being Trump. People Actually think this guy's serious about having another election? You think he's joking about 2028? Wake up, you, or lose your country. Again, it's not about Democrats or it's about all of us.

[Clay Travis]

You're absolutely Convinced?

[Michael Steele]

I'm absolutely 2020. You've seen it. He's tried to steal the last election. He tried to. He's trying to rig it in plain sight this time.

[Clay Travis]

You will lose your country, Clay. He's a dictator in the making. You will lose everything you hold dear. He's either a liar, which we all know he is, or he's so crazy that he doesn't understand that people hear this and they take him seriously.

[Buck Sexton]

The second would be Trump assassin. Almost no one even talks about assassination 2.0 at the Trump West Palm Beach Golf Course, where the guy laid in wait all day with his gun and Trump was playing golf and he came within a hole. Nobody ever asked, how did that guy know that Trump was going to be playing golf that day? How did he stay in that Bush line for hours, only getting stopped because a woman in the parking lot happened to see him flee and write down his license plate number? Otherwise, we may not even know who that guy is. What did he say was the reason why he was trying to kill Trump? Because he believed Democrat rhetoric that Trump was a dictator, that Trump was Hitler, and he felt like he needed to kill him. Now, that person, I think, has major mental health issues, as many people who engage in acts of mass violence do. But the logic under which he act acted presupposed that what was said was true, that Trump was Hitler. If Trump was, in fact Hitler, then killing him would be justified. Right? That is the process in his mind through which he went, when. When Gavin Newsom is telling you this, he is saying Trump is a dictator and people out there who believe him. And I just tweeted, hey, Gavin Newsom, I'll bet you $10 million that we have an election in 2028. Put your money where your mouth is. And if he bets me, I'll donate the $10 million I win to charity. But these lies have consequences, because in the brain of broken people, they accept them as truth. I don't think Gavin Newsom actually believes what he's saying. He's saying it because he thinks he gets political advantage from it, because the base of the left and the Democrat Party is so broken. But there are consequences when you tell crazy people crazy things.

[Clay Travis]

Well, there are a lot of crazy Democrats. I've also said before that I think if you Looked at male testosterone levels, you would have a very good indicator of whether someone votes Republican or Democrat. I also think if you looked at emotional and psychological stability, you'd have a very good. The Republican Party is the party of psychological stability in America today. Just a fact. And if you look at self described happiness and health and, and, you know, use of different psychiatric medications and stuff, the Democrats have a lock on all that stuff. I mean, the Democrats are the party of the emotionally and psychologically unstable. And when you have people at the very top of that party saying things like what Gavin Newsom was just saying there, Clay, or when you have people at the very top of that party who. So this is the thing. It's not in the, in the crevices of the dark web. It's not in the places on the Internet where most of us never venture or go. This is from the top. This is the difference. You know, they love to do this thing on the right. They'll find some person who's just like a psycho loser that no one's ever heard of before, who has some vaguely right wing views or has some, some racist views and it's immediately Donald Trump's fault. And you'll say, well, hold on a second. What does this actually have to do with Trump? He's ignoring what Trump actually says. He's ignoring the reality of who Trump puts in positions of power. I mean, you have this whole. Meanwhile, the Democrats say things that if what they say explicitly is true, the crazy, just the crazy actions of some of these individuals seems in their minds entirely justified. The end of the republic, the genocide of trans people. This is widespread rhetoric that they use. So, and from the top of the party, from the most powerful voices, the most trusted voices among their own ideological kind, and then really bad things happen. This is supposed to be a surprise. It's going to keep happening.

[Buck Sexton]

I would just say hold us to the same standard as Gavin Newsom. You and I have been here together for over four years now. What crazy thing have we said the equivalent of there's not going to be an election in 2028? I mean, we've gotten things wrong. We're not perfect, but we haven't. I don't even think we've said anything. Even in the, in the same state, in the same country as there's not going to be an election in 2028 because Trump is going to be a dictator.

[Clay Travis]

You and I are very explicit when we're angry about things, and I get very angry about some things on the show. Sometimes you do Too. I think you get less. You're. You get angry less often than I do about this stuff, but, you know, this is just. You have a sunny disposition, but when we're really. When something is. You're really passionate, but you're really angry about it. I'll say things like, for example, somebody like. Like took shot at the CDC recently. This person's an absolute moron who should be imprisoned for the. To the fullest extent of the law. And that is something that he has done. If you were to go and look at what do people like me and you and others say about the cdc? We're saying they need to replace some of the senior leadership there with people who are more science based. I'm not saying that the CDC or about to round us up in camps and experiment on us like animals and like kill us all. Like, I'm not saying crazy stuff. You're not saying crazy stuff. We're saying working within the system, the rule of law and morality and ethics, how do we address these problems? But that's not what. When you're saying that people are committing genocide because they have to pretend that a guy with a penis is a woman, you're actually not working within the realm of reality, ethics and rule of law. And. And the Democrats do this on a whole range of issues over and over.

[Buck Sexton]

They are manufacturing delusions and emotionally creating empathy, which actually is toxic for many of the people the empathy is being created for. I spent I. Again, I just think it's time for parents out there to recognize that what you are being told, you need to do for the betterment of your kid, which is why this emotional blackmail is so effective. Your kid's going to kill themselves unless you listen to us and chop their boobs off or decide that you're gonna give them bottom surgery or whatever the heck it is. It's emotional blackmail on parents, and it makes me sick, honestly.

[Clay Travis]

I know we have to go to break Clay. I just want to say this stuff. You know, we had. We had Dave Rutherford on yesterday, and he's an incredible guy. He's a dear friend of mine. And he's a true.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, he's.

[Clay Travis]

He's. He was in this. You know, when you think of combat, Rutherford saw combat, you know, and he was a medic and he had to deal with all this stuff. Imagine. Imagine if veterans came back and they had severe ptsd and we said, no, no, no, no, no. You know, you should just drink yourself into a. You should just drink yourself into a coma. You should blame yourself for everything. You shouldn't seek help at all. The psychological trauma that you're suffering from. This is actually something that you know should in some way be celebrated or encouraged. That would it's completely insane. It's destructive. It would be like telling somebody, hey, you have pneumonia, you know, just roll with it. Don't take antibiotics. Getting people help when they need help is the honorable, ethical thing to do. Amen.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. One thing that we're seeing, and it's not a surprise, it happens after horrific incidents like the trans terrorist shooting. A trans terrorist attack that happened yesterday is that Democrats start to denigrate prayer as if somehow that is helpful. Michael Steele, this guy was formerly, I think, head of the RNC. Here he is wherever, I guess on MSNBC Play 9.

[Michael Steele]

I agree with the mayor. I'm not the thoughts and prayers. I'm so beyond, so beyond that, that nonsense, the lie of that. Because what we have are people who continue to stand in the way of actually doing something to stop the violence against their own kids.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. Mr. Steele is not very bright, but what's the problem with prayers? Exactly.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Hey guys, it's great to be here. I'm actually outside the White House right now before I go in for the press briefing in a few minutes. But yeah, I wanted to talk about this report we did because we found that the leaders of Catholic and independent schools out in Minnesota, they sent a letter to Tim Walsh one week after the Covenant Christian School shooting where a trans identifying shooter killed kids at Covenant Christian School in Nashville. One week after that they sent a letter to Tim Walsh saying, look, we have a very serious security concern here. We have seen a number of shootings targeting kids, especially kids of faith, and we need to up our security for non public schools. So private, Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, you name it. And they expressed these concerns to Tim Walsh and asked for his help. They had meetings with him, they talked about it. He supposedly expressed a desire to protect these types of kids too. But ultimately nothing was done. And I confirmed that when I talked to some of these leaders yesterday, the ones that sent a letter, they told me that ultimately nothing was done. And now yesterday we see that another trans identifying shooter targeted kids at a Catholic school because they were Catholic. And so here we are again. And you know, this is something that I'm definitely interested in asking about in the briefing shortly because we have multiple shootings involving a trans identifying shooter targeting Christian kids. We have Tim Walsh, the governor of Minnesota, being asked to help protect kids in schools exactly like this and nothing was done.

[Clay Travis]

Was there any reason? Mary Margaret offered. So you've laid out for us that there was this ask, there was this exchanged. Obviously we know why the leaders of these Catholic schools would want this. You know, I'm down here in South Florida, for example, and the security of synagogues and Jewish sites of interest here is the whole community knows that they have to take that incredibly seriously. And that is taken seriously by the authorities as well. Why wouldn't they get the help? Was there any. Was it just a budgetary issue? Tim Walls fell asleep on the job here. What happened?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Well, that is a great question. And I actually asked Tim Walz's team myself this yesterday because it seems kind of like a no brainer after a shooter targets Christian students. You want to make sure that the Christian students in your state are protected. And when I asked Tim Waltz's team, what steps did you guys take to protect kids, they gave me an evasive answer and didn't even address that actual question. They tried to pretend that they were hung up on questions of fund and said that they do fund private schools, when in fact I had asked, did you guys fund these safety measures for private schools? So this is an evasive technique on the part of Tim Walsh's team. And what I can tell you, and this is even crazier, is in the same year that Tim Walsh was being asked to protect these Catholic and Christian schools and he didn't do it, he did provide more protections for trans identifying people in the state. And he signed legislation establishing Minnesota as a, quote, trans refuge and promise to protect those seeking gender affirming care, which we know is actually just a euphemism for transgender surgeries, hormones and puberty blockers. So while he wasn't helping, he was actually pushing this trans agenda, which we now know has hurt so many young people. We talked about this when I came out and talked about my book last summer. It's hurting so many young people, it's pushing them down this path that's an ideological one. And we even have like Trump's FTC investigating these doctors and therapists who are pushing this on kids because it's all a lie. So this is just a massive scandal of like, massive, massive levels. And, you know, we're seeing more and more Democrats shying away from the issue as they realize that it's being unmasked. But in this case, Tim Waltz was a huge proponent of this ideology and I think you should have to answer for that.

[Buck Sexton]

I was talking about this with Buck off air. Mary Margaret. Yesterday we went hard, frankly at the idea that we're giving all these kids these drugs. And now we've had the shooting in Nashville, we've had the shooting in Minnesota, Minneapolis. All of the evidence continues to come out that this is very much toxic empathy that parents are being taken advantage of. I saw very little pushback. Now we'll play some of the cuts of people trying to make that argument, but I'm talking about on social media. You wrote this book about it. I'm sure you got attacked then. But it feels like reasonable moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas are starting to have their, their minds opened up here that they've been taken advantage of in terms of trying to treat this as if it is a real medical condition. What would you tell moms and dads out there listening all over the country to us right now if their 12 year old or their 13 year old comes to them and says, hey, I'm a different sex? What does the data show and what is the appropriate in your Mind way to handle this if you're a parent. I know it's a big and a difficult question, but I think a lot of parents are thinking about it in the wake of this shooting and as we've continued to see so many more people coming out and trying to detrans after having these surgeries.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Yeah, it absolutely is probably one of the scariest questions that a parent can face in this day and age. Not only because of the magnanimity of what we're dealing with. Coming up against the gender ideology, you know, cults, the institution, the. This massive group of people that are pushing this, but also because a lot of these parents, if they take their kids to the doctor, are going to be told that their kid is transgender. They'll be asked, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son or vice versa? And this is a question posed to parents pretty much across the board. Every detransitioner that I've spoke with has told me their parents were given this ultimatum. We don't know this for sure yet, but it's possible that this trans identifying shooter that killed kids at Annunciation Church yesterday, it's possible that his mother faced the same question and conundrum, and they don't know what to do about it. And so my advice would be do your research. When your child comes to you and says, hey, mom, if your little girl comes to you and says, hey, mom, I'm a boy, don't fall prey to the anxieties. Don't trust medical institution. Do some basic research and realize you're not alone. There's many, many other kids that have come up against this ideology due to social media, activist teachers, activist therapists, and doctors. Find community. Get your kid out of the school that your child is at, because odds are it's the school and the teachers that are pushing this on their phone away from them. That is the biggest, biggest danger that kids these days are facing. Take their phone away from them. No laptops upstairs. These are some of the biggest dangers that our kids are facing these days. And a lot of parents think that it's just mean or, you know, makes their child feel stupid to not have that technology. Your child will benefit enormously from not having access to transgender ideology online, I promise you. So there's so many steps that can be taken. There's so many organizations that can help parents Defending education. It's one organization that is really vociferous on this issue. Do no harm. They're really great. They partner with tons of detransitioners. And then the detransitioners themselves, Chloe Cole, Parisha Mosley, all of these young women will speak out against the dangers of this ideology. And frankly, their stories are the reason I wrote my book, because their stories are more powerful than pretty much any argument that you or I could present. Because they lived it. They know how dangerous and horrible it is. They suffered through it, and now they live to tell the tale, thank God. So I consider their stories to be some of the most powerful. And I would definitely refer parents and anyone, any young person that's questioning their gender to go and listen to these stories and understand the gravity of what they're talking about.

[Clay Travis]

Talking to Mary Margaret Olahan, Daily Wires White House correspondent and Mary Margaret, in your, in your research on this issue, as we just mentioned, you've written a book on this and you've been following this very closely. We had a caller yesterday who raised a very good point. Client. I have talked about it before, but the caller gave us an important reminder of it. What is the when I'm sure you've come up against this. And if you look at these clinics and the doctors that are doing these things, if the plumbing does not determine the gender, so to speak, what is the justification for these surgeries that, that imperfectly, to put it mildly, change the plumbing? Like, what is the rationale behind that? Right, because they'll say it doesn't matter what the parts are, it's what you feel. That's gender. But then why do we have this whole process of putting pharmaceuticals and puberty blockers and all these things and then even surgery to change the plumbing, so to speak, if it doesn't make a difference to gender?

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Well, you would have to ask some of these doctors and therapists that, because they're the ones that with very, very, very little.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, no, I get that, Mary Margaret, I'm just asking you, have you ever heard any of them try to explain or give any rationale for that? Because I do think it's a very important and powerful point.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

What they try and do to rationalize it is to just give you these platitudes, these ideological sayings. They'll try and tell you that, like, you don't understand because you're not well versed in this ideology. But you're right. At the end of the day, it's one of those things where I think Donald Trump Jr. Does a really good job talking about this. He'll just say this is crazy, or WTF is going on. And that's kind of the real response that Everybody should be giving to it because it's as simple and basic as that. And actually, it's one of the reasons that Donald Trump won the last election is because he kind of gave voice to that sentiment as he was campaigning and saying, this is just crazy. You all know this is crazy. We shouldn't have to put up with this anymore. We need to protect our kids. And that campaign messaging really landed him in the White House. We saw the polls that showed that it did. It was some of his biggest campaign ads just showing people what Kamala Harris was saying about transgenderism and, you know, helping illegal aliens in prison get sex changes. Like, this type of rhetoric is. It's insane, and most people don't agree with it. So I think that. But, you know, we need to believe our. We need to believe what we're seeing, and we need to give voice to that. And the Trumps, frankly, have been doing a really good job of messaging on that, so they've been very effective. And now Trump is president and he's been enacting a lot of different executive orders, fighting back on this ideology. So I'm really interested in seeing what comes next, because, you know, one. One big question I have for Caroline Levitt at this upcoming briefing is, look, we've seen numerous trans identifying shooters targeting Christian kids. Is the FBI going to start investigating this fear of trans identifying shooters targeting Christian kids? Is there going to be a trans terrorism category? What are we going to see in this area? Because it's time to stop pretending like this isn't a pattern. And frankly, during the Biden administration, when the Covenant Christian shooter targeted kids in Nashville, what we saw there was the FBI hiding the manifesto. They wouldn't release it. They didn't want to tell everyone that this shooter was trans and hated Jews and hated Christians and was a deeply troubled mentally ill figure. And we had to actually rely on media outlets like Daily Wire to show people what was actually going on. So I'm hoping for more transparency here for heavier investigations and more.

[Clay Travis]

Well, appreciate that you have been on this story and others like the Covenant School shooting story, and I just would remind everybody all of the rationales for they can't share the Covenant shooting manifesto were either just guesses or lies, depending on who you're talking about, because there was no reason they couldn't have shared that manifesto. It was pure suppression, pure politics. Mary Margaret Olahan of the Daily Wire. I know you got to go run in and do a whole West Wing briefing thing here, so good luck to you on that. And Please come back and talk to us again soon.

[Mary Margaret Olahan]

Thanks so much for having me, guys.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Got you. Oh, use the wrong pronoun. You better, you better beg forgiveness. You better bend the knee. I'm going straight to HR on you. I'm going to. Not anymore. Thank you, Trump. Thank you. Truth. And I mean the truth. Not just like truth social, but thank you for the truth and also for freedom. I mean, that's the other thing, too. This was being elevated into treating wrong pronouns like, like the way society treats a, a racial slur. I mean, that was, that was what was going on just a few years ago. I think under the Biden administration. That was still the case. Now things have changed. Now you can speak the truth about gender, which is a huge, huge step in the right direction. Dwayne in Asheville, North Carolina, I was just up there. It's beautiful. I don't love the politics, but damn, they have some really good food. What's going on? Dwayne?

[Dwayne from Asheville]

Well, I'm an old country boy. I always hate to admit I'm one raised Fairview outside of Asheville. I was going to just pick back up on the subject you touched on yesterday, Clay. We're talking about the doctors performing the transgender surgery. North Carolina being one of the states that I hate to say has doctors have gone to this, but it's amazing. They'll do the transgender surgeries, but yet they will not support death row execution. Amazing. They can do that to a child, but they can't do it to someone who has killed a child.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the call. I think Buck, your analogy of even people in countries where doctors don't have freedom said we're not going to chop hands off because people have engaged in robbery in Muslim countries. Doctors just said we're not going to do that. We're not going to be a part of this. Doctors, I think, think we have to soothe the hell out of these hospitals, out of these doctors that did these surgeries. People who decide they don't want to be permanently sterilized as they're getting older.

[Clay Travis]

And this is an I Heart podcast.