Hour 1 - Tragedy in Minneapolis

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 1: Tragedy in Minneapolis

Date: August 27, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode is dedicated to covering the tragic mass shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, where a gunman opened fire during a school Mass, resulting in the deaths of two children and numerous injuries. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide real-time news updates, analytical insights, and emotional commentary. They also discuss possible motives, law enforcement response, and broader societal issues related to such tragedies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Immediate Details of the Shooting

• [01:59] Clay Travis opens by reporting the breaking news of the shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church during a school Mass.

  • Two fatalities are confirmed (children aged 8 and 10); many more are hospitalized with various injuries.
  • The shooter fired from outside through stained glass windows and possibly entered the building later.
  • Injuries may include both gunshot wounds and injuries from shattered glass or debris.

• [03:54] Buck Sexton reads updates from police and news sources:

  • The shooter was "armed with a rifle, shotgun and a pistol. This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children… sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children" (Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara, [08:17]).
  • Notable Quote:

    "Two young kids, eight and ten years old, were killed sitting in the church pews." – Buck Sexton [04:41]

Law Enforcement and City Context

• [08:54] Clay Travis & Buck Sexton reflect on Minneapolis’ recent history with violence:

  • The city has faced unusual levels of violent crime for its size, highlighting challenges stemming from reduced police morale and staffing since the George Floyd riots.
  • Notable Quote:

    "I believe Minneapolis because the police were so attacked in that community is still operating at an unprecedented level of lack of police." – Buck Sexton [09:20]

• Discussion about the urgent need to hire back police officers and support law enforcement.

Police Briefings & Firsthand Reactions

• [08:17 & 10:52] Police Chief Brian O’Hara audio:

  • Shooter fired into church pews where children sat; two children killed, 17 other people injured (14 children, with 2 in critical condition).
  • The gunman killed himself at the scene.
  • Notable Quote:

    "Two young children, ages 8 and 10, were killed where they sat in the pews… Seventeen other people were injured, fourteen of them being children." – MPD Chief Brian O’Hara [10:52]

• Buck and Clay discuss the emotional toll events like this take on law enforcement, especially when children are victims.

  • Notable Quote:

    "The deaths of kids was always a thing that… the cops can’t even really talk about it… It’s too upsetting, understandably." – Buck Sexton [11:48]

Security and Policy Analysis

• [13:11–15:18] Buck Sexton & Clay Travis analyze:
  • The difficulties of preventing such an attack, particularly when a shooter attacks from outside.
  • Concealed carry and the argument for armed security in religious institutions and schools—acknowledging that in some cases, even this may not be enough.
  • Notable Quote:

    "My kids have armed security at their schools. I think it should be standard to have armed security… a lot of schools and unfortunately a lot of religious institutions as well." – Buck Sexton [15:03]

Ongoing Updates and Victim Status

• [22:46] Buck Sexton:
  • 11 patients taken to hospital, 9 children (ages 6–14), with 4 requiring emergency surgery and listed as critical.
• [28:05] Emergency Room Doctor (audio):
  • Hospital received 11 patients (9 pediatric, 2 adults). Four children required surgery. No additional fatalities among those treated at the hospital.
  • Notable Quote:

    “We are a level one trauma center…and we train for this… Four of them require the operating room, and up to this point… no fatalities related to any of those patients.” – Emergency Room Doctor [28:05]

Speculation on Motive and Media Response

• [25:07–34:13] Clay, Buck, & Carol Markowitz:

  • Speculate on potential motives (anti-Catholic, ideological, mental illness), but withhold details pending confirmation.

  • Early signs indicate the shooter may have targeted Christians/Catholics and had a history of mental instability.

  • Reports surface that the shooter was possibly connected to another Catholic-targeted shooting the prior day.

  • Reference to the shooter’s possible "trans" identity and anti-Christian or anti-Trump writing on weapons and manifesto.

    • Notable Quote:

      “All written on the gun barrel is ‘Kill Donald Trump,’ ‘RIP & tear’ written on the gun magazine. This is pretty awful. I’m just sharing with you.” – Buck Sexton [39:53]

  • Discuss tendency in media to rapidly politicize shootings, often focusing on gun control without operational firearm knowledge.

    • Notable Quote:

      “People at CNN just don’t know a darn thing about any of this… This is where they’ll talk about… automatic machine bazookas. And they have no idea what they are talking about and feel like they should still be able to weigh in…” – Buck Sexton [31:10]

Need for Societal Change and Prevention

• [44:20] Carol Markowitz highlights:
  • Need to assess social media and public warning signs for unwell individuals.
  • Considers what more law enforcement or policy might do when tipped about someone with manifestos or violent rhetoric.
    • Notable Quote:

      “What are the next steps that we need to take as a society when we come across stuff like this?” – Carol Markowitz [44:20]

Emotional Impact and Reflections

• Hosts repeatedly express heartbreak, noting how parenthood makes these stories more difficult to process.

  • Notable Quote:

    “If there is a final circle of hell, someone who would shoot children in a church belongs there. This is about as evil as anything as any act could be.” – Clay Travis [04:55]

• Strong consensus that evil exists in the world, and tackling it requires honesty, awareness, and practical actions—not just policy discussion.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• "Two young kids, eight and ten years old, were killed sitting in the church pews." — Buck Sexton [04:41]
• "The sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible." – Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara [08:17]
• “My kids have armed security at their schools… I think it should be standard to have armed security.” – Buck Sexton [15:03]
• “People at CNN just don’t know a darn thing about any of this… And they have no idea what they are talking about and feel like they should still be able to weigh in…” – Buck Sexton [31:10]
• “All written on the gun barrel is ‘Kill Donald Trump,’ ‘RIP & tear’ written on the gun magazine.… Where is your God? Why so queerious? Pretty awful.” – Buck Sexton [39:53]
• “What are the next steps that we need to take as a society when we come across stuff like this?” – Carol Markowitz [44:20]

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Timeline & Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Opening & initial report | Details of the church shooting | 01:59 | | Updates from Minneapolis Police | Shooter details, fatalities confirmed | 03:54, 08:17, 10:52 | | Reflection on city & policing | Minneapolis’ crime, police shortages | 08:54–11:29 | | Security & policy analysis | Concealed carry, security in religious institutions | 13:11–15:18 | | Further victim updates | Children’s condition, ER report | 22:46–28:38 | | Gun control media commentary | CNN’s misunderstanding of firearms | 29:54–31:10 | | Shooter profile & motive update | Background, manifesto, trans identity speculations | 39:53–46:08 |

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Tone & Style

• The hosts use a direct, urgent, and somber tone befitting the gravity of the subject. There are moments of emotional vulnerability, relatable to parents and community members.
• They maintain a frank, sometimes critical stance toward both media and policymakers’ typical reactions to mass shootings.
• Guest Carol Markowitz brings additional reporting rigor and emphasis on fact-based updates.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a sobering real-time account of a devastating tragedy, with Clay and Buck analyzing the latest facts, providing expert context, and sharing their raw emotional reactions. Listeners are offered both detailed developments and broader commentary on violence, social policy, law enforcement, and media framing in the aftermath of mass shootings, especially those targeting children and faith communities.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome everybody.

[Clay Travis]

Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now. We have a lot of news to get to but the big tragic breaking news story of this morning is our our first, our first thing we have to discuss here a shooting at a church that was in it's in Minneapolis, Minnesota. A Catholic church, a shooting there. It was the school that is attached to this parish that was having its opening day Mass. This is something that when I was in Catholic school we used to do as well. You begin the school year with a mass and at this Annunciation Catholic Church this morning there was a Mass shooting the students had gathered in this church. The reports are as follows. There are going to be updates on this. We will bring you updates as soon as we have them in real time over the next three hours of this program. Here's what has been reported so far that there are two fatalities from this many more wounded taken to local hospitals in Minneapolis. We don't know the extent of those wounds. The the shooter was shooting through stained glass windows and this there, there could be additional bullet wounds of those who have been taking these hospitals. Likely that is the case. There also though may be glass or debris wounds which would hopefully be considerably less serious than if anybody was was hit by actual gunfire from this shooter. We know that there are a number of additional injuries and we don't know the status of those who have been taken to those area hospitals. They are being worked on and treated currently. Press conferences are underway. I just saw Mayor Fry of Minneapolis giving a press conference where he was expressing his condolences to the families.

[Buck Sexton]

I was just going to update this has just come down. This is courtesy of FOX News. Let me hit you with these two details. Literally in the last minute, police chief confirms shooter and we'll play this audio for you. I just sent it to producer Greg armed with a rifle, shotgun and a pistol, quote, this was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children. Sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children, absolutely incomprehensible. And here is the awful fatality news. Two young kids 8 and 10 years old were killed sitting in the church pews. So that is just announced by the head of the Minneapolis police chief Brian o'.

[Clay Travis]

Hara.

[Buck Sexton]

And again we'll get you the official audio of that. But literally in the last minute that breaking news. So two, two innocent kids, eight and a ten year old shot and killed sitting in the church pews this morning.

[Clay Travis]

If there is a final circle of hell, someone who would shoot children in a church belongs there. This is about as evil as anything as any act could be. Clay, also in the news, this is I'm wondering why they haven't made this connection or rather police are not saying they are connected, but there was a separate mass shooting right next to a Catholic high school in south Minneapolis yesterday. Seven people were shot there, one fatally. And the suspect escaped. He fired 30 rounds from a rifle. So someone fired 30 rounds from a rifle in south Minneapolis yesterday, killed someone. Seven people shot. And today at another church setting in this, I think the first one it was near a Catholic high school. In this case it's a church that has a school attached to it. And the students were gathered for their. We used to call it convocation, mass when I was at a Catholic high school. That. So I would. I would think that there's a high likelihood, Clay, that these are related up, but maybe not. Maybe that's why. Maybe there's details we don't have yet and that's why law enforcement is not connecting them. But it certainly seems to be the case. The shooter is dead. Self inflicted gunshot wound is the reporting we're getting so far. Which would. Which. Which would under the circumstances often be the case with a mass shooting like this. The. The cowardly gunman will take his own life as soon as he has committed massive carnage and destruction. Clay, we don't have any information on the shooter yet. I have been in contact with a couple of reporters who are friends of the show who are trying to get that information from law enforcement asap, just because then we might get some sense of motive. We know the shooter is all dressed in black. We don't have anything be. And the weapons that. That he had and it was a he. Beyond that, I don't think we have any identifying information. But this is a reminder of some things that unfortunately are going to be very. There's no answers for this other than it's incredibly evil and evil exists in the world. I think that there is a turning toward church generally in this country and to the Catholic church specifically. That is an incredibly good thing for the nation and a beautiful thing. I'm among those who has returned, who have returned to the church in recent years and really am a believer and working on my faith. And so you see this and you think, well, we don't know the motive. You know, it's tough to get beyond the. The reality of this is just such an evil and heinous thing. And obviously it seems to be anti Catholic in nature. I can't get beyond that description. I don't know, you know, Clay, is it. Is it someone who is a. Someone along the lines of the Nashville school shooter, for example, who's a anti Catholic, anti traditionalist terrorist? Is it. Is it a jihadist? We don't know. All we know right now is the tragedy of the shooting.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's play a couple of these cuts that just have come in. Buck. From the Minneapolis police chief, this is Brian O' Hara addressing the media. Cut 27.

[Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara]

During the mass, a gunman approached on the outside on the side of the building and began firing a rifle through the church windows towards the children sitting in the pews. At the mess shooting through the windows. He struck children and worshippers that were inside the building. The shooter was armed with a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol. This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping. The sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible.

[Buck Sexton]

I would also point this out, Buck. I thought everything you said was. Was very well articulated. Minneapolis has had a, for a city of its size, a lot of really awful violent acts. I mean first of all the George Floyd riots we all know, which basically burned down huge parts race race riots.

[Clay Travis]

That burned down a section of the downtown. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

We just had in the Minneapolis area if I'm not mistaken. The guy show up and shoot politicians and then we had the massive search for that and now we have this shooting and again there's violence everywhere. But I would point out, I believe Minneapolis because the police were so attacked in that community is still operating at an unprecedented level of lack of police. In other words, I think they still need to hire back hundreds of police officers to be able to do the job. There's. And there's been just a cascading series of violent acts over the last five years. I would just suggest maybe possibly having not demonized the police and having hundreds of more police officers there. Because Buck, as you know, during the race riot blm burning down of that city in many parts of it, a lot of police just said I'm fed up. Nobody has our back here at all. And there are massive needs for hiring of police officers. Here is cut 28. This is awful news but I want you to hear it from the police chief. These were Catholic school kids celebrating morning mass targeted by the shooter. And the two deaths, 8 year old and a 10 year old sitting in the church pews. Listen.

[Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara]

Two young children in ages 8 and 10 were killed where they sat in the pews. Their parents have been notified. Seventeen other people were injured, 14 of them being children. Two of those children are in critical condition. The coward who fired these shots ultimately took his own life in the rear of the church. Our hearts are broken for the families who have lost their. Their children.

[Buck Sexton]

It sounds like. And I know this police officer has probably seen a lot of awful things in his life. It sounds like he's struggling. Brian, Brian o' Hara there. To even get through having to inform everybody of those details. I would bet that he's a dad. A lot of dads and moms 8 and 10 year old to die is. Is just beyond comprehension from.

[Clay Travis]

From Cops I knew on the job in the NYPD, Clay, who had been on for 20 years, the hardest thing for them was always the bad stuff and the, the deaths, sometimes murders. Yeah. Abuse or through something like this, through a, Through a gang shooting, the deaths of kids was always a thing that, you know, the cops can't even. They can't even really talk about it. They can't go there. It's too upsetting, understandably. But that's something that comes with the job that they carry. And you see that with law enforcement officers, you know, across the country when they deal with these situations. And unfortunately, it comes up and it's something that's. It's obviously hit here. I know there's, there's going to be, I think, a lot of discussion about motive here. Once we know who the individual is, the much. We'll see how much of this is delayed because that always tells us a bit about how the media is trying to. To frame this issue. I was just talking to friends of mine here about the concealed carry rules in Florida. You can, in some religious institutions, concealed carry, I believe you have to get specific permission, though. But in this case, I'm not even sure how much that would have. Look, I'm a big. I. Concealed carry. I'm a big concealed carry advocate. I think it's the only thing that can reliably reduce violent crime in. From a civilian. We're talking about not for what cops can do from a civilian standpoint, but in this case, the guy walked up to a building and just started firing into the building.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

You know, I'm not sure that there would be even reaction time. And this is also. It's in one of these situations when, when parents are going to be finding out, you know, two families are finding out, they're burying their little boy, little girl is the worst thing imaginable. You have kids, Clay? I have a son now. It's like, hard to. Hard to even think about in process and honestly haunting to even imagine what the pain is those parents are going through. This is a situation, though, if you're asking for a. Just a pure tactical and law enforcement analysis. The fact that it's not 20 or 30 kids dead is, is. It could have very easily been that under these circumstances. Right. So the, The. The shooter here fortunately, and I know this is a horrific circumstance, but fortunately had not planned this out with a degree of proficiency where the body count could have been much higher. And I know that's not any. It doesn't comfort any of the families who have either lost their children or their children have been gravely wounded in this. But just as a society, it's a reminder. This could have been a lot worse based on the fact pattern that we know.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this happened at the Covenant School here in Nashville, as you mentioned earlier. And I think religious institutions, sadly, certainly synagogues and Jewish schools have had to do this, but a lot of them now have armed security because this unfortunately has begun to happen too frequently. To your point, when you have somebody.

[Clay Travis]

There are synagogues here in South Florida that I know of specifically are concealed carry friendly and they should be. I agree. I think that is an excellent decision for those, those. Let me tell you this, I'm sitting in that. I was just in church on Sunday with Carrie and the baby. I want to know there's a, you know, a law abiding American patriot in that, in that church who's concealed, you know, if it's not me, I want somebody to be concealed carrying in there.

[Buck Sexton]

I've been arguing this for a long time. I mean my kids have armed security at their schools. I think it should be standard to have armed security, unfortunately, because of where we are in a lot of schools and unfortunately a lot of religious institutions as well.

[Clay Travis]

Again, in this case, speaking, speaking to the facts here, if someone's going to go up to a building and just start firing a rifle off through a glass window, you know, the. Now you could say maybe, you know, I'm wondering, he did move into the structure at some point. So I'm not sure at what stage were the children hit initially. I'm just looking at this from a security, security review, security analysis perspective. If, if the children were hit when he initially fired in, that's going to be very difficult for anybody, good guy with a gun, law enforcement officer, anybody to react to beforehand because he's just opening fire from a distance. But then if he entered the facility and continued to shoot, that's where having somebody conceal carry might have made a difference. But I don't know how you know, this is where you need to know the timeline. I don't know how quickly this guy shot himself in the back of the church. I don't know what exactly happened. We'll find out more about this, but it's just, it's just the most awful thing and it's, you know, it's tough Clay, even, even to be in our. This is the one of those days where to be in the, in the world of talking about the news is, is. Is emotionally and spiritually challenging, honestly, because there's no there's no way to make this better for people and I wish that there was.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And I think again, from the parent perspective, I think you're experiencing this now differently as everyone who becomes a mom and dad is. When you hear this story, I mean, I've got a 10 year old, a lot of you out there have 10 year olds, have 8 year olds, have kids, grandkids. And again, I think you could hear it in the police officer's voice as he's trying to describe what exactly happened. So we'll continue to update you on this. Again, Minneapolis, two young kids tragically killed while they were sitting in church pews this morning by a deranged lunatic mass shooter in Minneapolis, a city that has certainly had its share of awfulness. And we'll also update you on the need to continue to hire more police officers to do our best to try to limit all of these different incidents. In the meantime, more than 15 million PayPal users have had their online credentials allegedly stolen by cyber thief. Supposedly credentials now for sale on the dark web, but PayPal disputes there's been a breach. Regardless all of these companies, it's amazing and unfortunate how often all of your identities get stolen all over the web. If you do become a victim of identity theft and you're a Lifelock member, you can rely on a dedicated US based restoration specialist at LifeLock to work with you to fix it. Guaranteed or your money back. Become a LifeLock member if you aren't already. Join now. Save 40% off your first year with promo code CLAY Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com My Name Clay as the promo code for 40% off, that's lifelock.com promo code CLAY CLAY Travis and Buck Sexton Mic drops that never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts this Labor Day.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton SHOW Let me give you more updates on the awful news coming out this morning because we are still waiting to see exactly the outcome for the people who were taken. This is taken to the hospital, 11 patients according to Hennepin Health Care in Minneapolis. 9 kids ages 6 to 14. 4 kids required emergency surgery and are listed as critical right now. We'll have that audio for you. But just FYI, I mean, that means.

[Clay Travis]

They got hit with bullets pretty much.

[Buck Sexton]

So they got just FYI. I want to update you with that and if you, you want to pray for those that are still receiving treatment, we'll play that audio again. The emergency medicine at the medical facility in Minneapolis, the director has spoken. We'll play that audio for you when we come back.

[Clay Travis]

The again, this is something, we went through a lot of this back in the CIA days. We were talking about trauma wounds from bullets. And essentially, Clay, if you're in the hospital and you're hitting an extremity, chances are you're going to be okay. So the ones who are critical will probably hit either in the abdomen or the head. Now, the fact that they're still in critical condition means that there's, you know, hope for them. But it's, it's, that's very serious, obviously.

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All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Appreciate you all being with us. Look, we. We have had the horrible news this morning that we. Look, this is. It's a news show. First and foremost. We got to tell you what's going on in the country and bring you the truth. Truth, bringing the facts, all the latest information. We will continue to do that. On this shooting at the Annunciation Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and we know that two children have been killed. It is absolutely heartbreaking. There's nothing, I don't know, nothing more horrific. I don't really have the words. We make a living with words, and I don't really have the words for how terrible it is for these two young children to be killed while they're in a church on their first day of school. There are other children who are in the hospital. A handful of them are critical, which indicates to me very likely they were actually hit by rifle rounds from this shooter. The identity of the shooter has been shared, is being shared now broadly online. I don't. Right now, Clay. I think. Well, right now it's just the only thing that I would be comfortable sharing based on what we are seeing is it appears to be a white male. That is that. That I can say to you, and we will give you more as we have more. And our own Carol Markowitz, I think, is one of the first to break the name and background and photo of the. I guess. I guess we still say alleged even when the person's dead. So the alleged shooter, but the person that killed himself in the back of this church after the mass murder show. Clay. Now I think we're going to get closer to a conversation about what was. What could have been done to prevent this. I honestly believe I'm somebody who is very attuned to. Let's focus on what really could help. There's very little with somebody clearly as. As evil and mentally ill as this individual was, there's very little in this scenario that I could see that would make it markedly different, maybe quicker response time from someone inside the church. But now you're getting into. You're getting into Seconds. Because they say that he fired 50 to 100 rounds with a semiautomatic rifle. I mean, you know, it's a couple of magazines, and that's not. That's not hard to do if you're just shooting as many rounds as you can.

[Buck Sexton]

One of the things that will be interesting to see is, was this person on any sort of watch list? Did they legally get access to their weapons? What did the family know or not know about the mental illness which is often the case involved in this shooter? All of those things. Let's play Buck, for those of you out there that are seeking updates on the kids. This is from the emergency room doctor that I just read a couple of quotes from. But this is cut 30, updating you on those wounded and including several critical kids fighting critical condition kids fighting for their lives. Let's listen to this.

[Emergency Room Doctor]

We are a level one trauma center, and we prepare and we train for this. Having said that, that these incidents are never easy. We've had two in the last 24 hours that have occurred these mass casualty incidents. The one today, we received a total of 11 patients from this incident. Two of them received were adult patients, nine pediatric patients. Four of them require the operating room. And up to this point in time, there have been no fatalities related to any of those patients that were brought to our organization.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, that's. Under the circumstances. Very encouraging news that there hasn't been a fatality yet because it means that they've certainly stopped the bleeding, Clay, in these cases. So no one's bleeding out now. They're in the hospital stable. The question becomes internal organ damage. You know, that's. And we don't know the extent of that for these. These young people.

[Buck Sexton]

Positive there what he just said for required surgery, which would suggest, Buck, you were talking about this earlier, that maybe some of these other injuries are not necessarily gunshots. Maybe there's glass. Maybe there were cuts. Maybe there are things that did not require.

[Clay Travis]

There could have been a stampede inside the church where. Remember these. Some of these are small children. So very, very easy for one of them to get caught under. People who are just desperate to get away from the gunfire and. And maybe, you know, dislocate a shoulder or have other injuries like which again, painful, scary, terrifying. But anything that's not a gunshot wound here is going to be clearly survivable. And it seems that based on what the. The emergency room doctor here is talking about, or in this case, I guess the OR surgeon is talking about. Clay, if only four needed surgery, I think we're only dealing with four gunshot wounds. And God willing and hey, prayers up, everybody. All four will make it through and they'll be okay.

[Buck Sexton]

The conversation, not surprisingly, has already spread on CNN literally instantly to gun control. And I do want to play this because I do think it's important for you guys to understand what would you be hearing if you're not listening to this program. Here is CNN's Evan Perez saying a semiautomatic rifle can shoot dozens of bullets with just one trigger pull. A lot of you out there. I mean, this is very basic stuff. If you're going to go on and immediately turn this into a gun debate, maybe get a little bit of your gun knowledge just correct. But this is what you would have heard on CNN literally within minutes of this story. Breaking cut 31.

[CNN's Evan Perez]

It was really disturbing to hear what the man we heard from, from the affiliate said about how long it went on. He said there were several minutes. Now, we don't know if that was just from the shooter or Floyd enforcement had arrived by then or the circumstances around that. But he said it sounded like the gun was reloaded several times. It seemed like a rifle. He said a semiautomatic rifle. And it went on for several minutes.

[Clay Travis]

Right. And that's, that's an uncommon as well. These things can shoot dozens of bullets, you know, in just one trigger pull.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

And so what happens in this case is sometimes they have enough time to, to reload. He has no idea what he's talking about. He's a justice reporter over at cnn, by the way, so you'd think he might know something about this. I remember that guy from when I was at cnn. He just has no, he has no familiarity with firearms whatsoever. I mean, Clay, this is another thing when, when these stories or when any story of firearm involved in violence comes up, it's a reminder that people on the right actually know firearms and understand them. You know, I would put myself in Maybe the top 5 percentile of all Americans when it comes to understanding of guns, maybe in the top one percentile. And we have people listening to us who are former special operations military, who are in the 0.001% of Americans when it comes to their understanding, expertise and familiarity with firearms. So going well beyond mine, people at CNN just don't know a darn thing about any of this stuff. And when I say people, I don't mean a couple of them. I mean all of them. They are, this is, this is a strange thing, but it is consistent where Democrats have very, very strong opinions on firearms and are never embarrassed to know nothing about firearms. I mean, to have an absolute. This is where we get the whole chainsaw bayonet thing with USA Today. And this is where they'll talk about, like automatic machine bazookas. And they have no idea what they are talking about and feel like they should still be able to weigh in on this and tell actual firearms, Second Amendment individuals that they can't have guns or they need to change this or they're bad, or basically they're bad people. That's what they really want to tell them. We don't know if the gun was got, was a legal purchase or not. We don't know if it was stolen. We don't know any of that. So any discussion of gun policy or firearms policy right now is just a complete, you know, it's just. Just throwing something at the wall. It has no bearing on actual law or statute. So. Yeah, but they'll try, Clay. This will turn into a gun violence debate. I mean, I think most likely it'll be a mental health discussion based on this, who this individual is, what he did. And there will probably be flags that were missed. This is unfortunately, I think, where there will be. Somebody said, hey, you know, I wanted to. I turned, I told somebody about this guy. I thought he was really dangerous. And then law enforcement maybe did a knock at his door and they couldn't do it. You know, my analysis of this is that's likely where this is heading and.

[Buck Sexton]

Or mom and dad. And this is where I always come back to it. A lot of moms and dads of these shooters know they should not have access to weapons, and they end up having access to weapons. And Buck, we'll dive into this a little bit more as we're going to commercial break here, but I just texted you some early reports on the shooter. And I think this is what happened. It's beginning to look early days, early moments, very similar to what happened in the Covenant School shooting in Nashville. Who the shooter was, what the motivation might have been.

[Clay Travis]

Again, if this is confirmed, this story is about to become incredibly. It's already horrific and bloody and evil, but it's going to become politically very contentious with the way the media is going to report on it, with the way that people are going to position the, you know, the aftermath of what can be done about it. But we got to be solid on this stuff, Clay. So we're going to continue to chase down these facts as we go and bring you the updates in real time. And we're talking Carol Markowitz broke the name of the individual online. I didn't see, I think she broke it first. I didn't see anybody else beating her to it. We'll have her joining us in a little bit. But if what we're seeing is the case, this just. Well, we'll come back. Please stay with us. We'll come back. We're going to chase this stuff down and bring you the latest facts and analysis of this, this horrific tragedy in a few moments. All right, look, I need to take a moment here, talk to you about, you know, taking, taking a moment to talk about your finances is gotta take the long view and you want to prepare, you want to do smart things. Now Trump is doing a lot of amazing stuff for the economy, no question about it. But he's only got four years and there's $37 trillion of debt. And I want you to look not just at what's happened the last six months. Great Trump economy. I want you to look at the last few years and what has gold done and notice the trend with gold over multiple presidential administrations. And you don't have to take my word for it. You can easily find this information yourself online. I mean the last year gold has gone up 4t4 0, 40% in value. Okay, so gold makes sense and the long term thesis on gold is sound. That's why I own gold. I recommend you get some gold. Birch Gold Group makes owning physical gold very easy. They can convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA with physical gold or they can help you buy gold to store in your home Safe. Text my name Buck to 989898 Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on Gold A plus rating with a Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers. Take control of your savings today. Text my name Buck to 989898 to get started.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Mary Kathryn Ham]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Buck Sexton]

Okay, welcome back in. We are getting more and more news about the shooter. Try to avoid saying the shooter's name because that's what these guys want and sometimes gals. But there this Guy had a YouTube channel that has since been taken down. But there are many pictures being taken and shared online including of the gun itself on and it appears that this is another trans shooter not dissimilar to what happened at the Covenant School in the Nashville area. All written on the gun barrel is Kill Donald Trump rip and tear written on the gun magazine. This is pretty awful. I'm just sharing with you. Where is your God? Why so queerious? Pretty awful. Carol Markowitz joins us now. Carol, we're trying to avoid sharing this guy's name. I know you shared it, the pictures and everything else. It appears based on all the evidence out there that this is a Christian targeted shooting by someone who clearly is mentally unstable. Based on the videos and the pictures out there, what can you tell us about this individual so far that you've been able to uncover from your sources?

[Carol Markowitz]

You know, it's all developing and of course it took a little while for them to clear the building because it was several buildings and they were worried about things being booby trapped. And so I can tell you that the original name that I had heard was actually his father's name because he had had his father's car. I don't know if there's a manifesto yet. I see the same rumors that you guys do, but I haven't had that confirmed yet. It's a horrible story and it really crushes me to imagine that somebody had such hate in their hearts for these Catholic children and school officials that they would do something like this. And it's a horrible tragedy. I pray for all the people involved and there's just no words.

[Clay Travis]

Carol, how much have you seen that is solid on the reporting? Again, this goes to motive and motivation for this also. First of all, is it your belief right now? Would you. I know we don't know. But the shooting yesterday and the shooting today, they're the same shooter, most likely, right? Why aren't law enforcement making this connection?

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, I haven't heard about whether that there is a connection. It seems to me related, but I don't know for sure. I know that also, you know, I.

[Clay Travis]

Mean it's where just to be clear for everybody, it's two mass shootings at two Catholic institutions with a, with a semi automatic rifle. I mean, in the same area.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. And the fact that this connection hasn't been made, I don't know what to make of that. I'm going to definitely keep you posted if I hear of anything. And you know, these pictures of whether this person was trans or not, I is also a question mark there definitely seem, seems to be just based on the photos I've seen. But I also have a confirmation of that. I think as things develop, as facts develop of this case, we'll learn more. Right now we just have the pictures of the weapons and the pictures of this individual and really things are still very much developing.

[Buck Sexton]

There are pictures out there of this guy at a gun range firing at an image of Jesus. He had a YouTube page that has since been removed that has a manifesto of sorts posted. Clearly, this guy is deranged. Carol, you've been on the front of getting a lot of these stories out there in terms of figuring out motivation shooters, all these different things. What comes next in your experience of an investigation like this? I presume they head to wherever his residence is, worry about booby traps, things like that, to try to figure out what else might be out there. Is that typically the next step?

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that they're likely searching his home right now trying to find evidence of motive. And like, as you guys said, it's clear that this person was mentally not well. And it's crazy also because a lot of this is very public, right? There's these, you know, the video and the picture of him shooting at the Jesus Christ picture. All that kind of stuff is out there. And it's interesting because what are the next steps that we need to take as a society when we come across stuff like this? What, what should be the next step when law enforcement gets, gets a tip about somebody being unstable? I think that that's something that Trump administration can look at and say, you know, we keep having these tells of these shooters in advance. What should we do? How should we handle that? Could be a really interesting path for the Trump administration to take.

[Clay Travis]

Carol, appreciate you being with us. Incredible reporting that you do on these incidents and to get the information, the facts out there as quickly as possible. And I mean, to me, the longer they delay on the, whether these two incidents are, it just seems to me like law enforcement doesn't, I mean, some aspects of this, they just don't want to get out there quickly. But Carol, thank you for being with us. You guys know Carol has a podcast with us. Thanks Carol. Carol has a podcast with us. Carol Markowood Show. She does fantastic work. Go subscribe to the Klan Buck podcast to hear Carol weekly and one of the best, honestly, Clay, one of the best breaking news reporters on mass shootings in the country. And that's not even something that I think she's, you know, she's known for, but that's not her, her day to day job. But she just has incredible law enforcement sources. She's a huge asset to this program. Clay, let's come back in and talk more about this. And I mean this is, I think we're going to find that these shootings are connected and I think that the trans connection to this is going to.

[Buck Sexton]

Get bigger and bigger, which means that a lot of people are not going to want you to hear any of the details that we're talking about right now.

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