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Abercrombie Denim in the app online and in stores. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We have got a ton of stories to dive into throughout the course of the program. A lot of great guests coming your way and and more. But let's get started. Couple of stories that are at front and center right now, Buck, and we've teased one of these for several days. A huge lawsuit outcome in Westchester County, I believe just outside of New York City relating to trans related surgeries on minors has thrown everything into an uproar surrounding that issue. Also, the Washington Post has cut basically a third of all of the employees at the Washington Post as that newspaper's business has collapsed. I got a bunch of thoughts on that because I think I understand it pretty well in the media ecosystem. But let's go to this transgender case because Buck, I think it actually represents something that you and I have been saying on this program was going to be transformative for the conversation that we have here. Uh, and let me give you a little bit of the background in case you haven't already seen it. Uh, in a first of its kind verdict I'm reading from from a report here, a New York jury awarded a individual named Fox VAR A D Transitioner $2 million after finding that a psychologist and surgeon committed medical malpractice by approving and performing a double mastectomy on her when she was just 16 years old. Jurors were asked a simple question. Did these doctors follow basic standards of care before lopping off a teenager's healthy body parts? The answer was a clear no. This individual, this girl testified she didn't believe she was male. She felt pressured. The mom testified that she felt pressured to consent to Surgery after being told, what do they always tell the parents here? Would you rather have a live child or a dead, you know, live boy or a dead girl? They emotionally blackmail the parents into thinking their kids are going to commit suicide if they don't do it. I think this is a hugely important jury verdict, Buck, because of a couple of things. One, where it happened, Westchester is typically, I think, a place where Democrats would do quite well. In other words, this is not a died in. Died in the wool sort of red district. This is a place where Democrats traditionally do well. So this is probably a Democrat voting jury. And they hit for $2 million. And Buck, I've been making this argument for some time. The reality here is a lot of people know this is morally wrong, but they're cowards. And what they will do is they will use the business expense and the liability and the danger as a cover to argue that they can no longer allow these surgeries to take place. I think you're going to see in rapid, short order, no one under the age of 18 is going to be allowed to have these surgeries, which is the right call, which you and I have been arguing for for five years on this program. And, and I think it's an example of plaintiff's lawyers actually getting to a better result than unfortunately many people who are politicians could.
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This is an absolutely necessary step. It's not just something that is.
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Is good.
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Without this, we would not be winning the. Not just the argument, but protecting children. And that's what this is fundamentally about. This goes beyond the political. What has been done with the trans movement in this country is cruel, it is destructive, it is deeply immoral, and there need to be consequences. Now you and I can sit here as we often do, and we talk about the madness of the trans athlete situation and what really. And I'm. I actually wasn't going to make this about my book, but there's a whole chapter in manufacturing delusion about the trans. Here it is manufacturing delusion. Get your pre orders. Now there's Clay. There's a whole chapter about the trans issue and how not only does it hurt the people irreparably who have these surgeries in often adolescence, but it makes so many people complicit in this process as well. The parents who now have to live with the. The terrible regret of what they did to the. Now, I understand some of them are going to say, but I thought I was listening to the. Yeah, before someone trans my kid, they would have to be removing firearms out of my cold, dead hands. Preventing that from happening. No one from the state, no one is taking my child and transing them. That is never going to happen. And every parent should know that, that it is ultimately their role to defend their child from this madness. And so many of them unfortunately fell victim to this themselves. I mean, they really, they, they were brainwashed and they were pushed by these doctors who were cowards. I actually hold the doctors in the most disdain here because they are aware the media will not tell you the truth, by the way, the media will not tell you the truth about abortion, as you all know, and the media will not tell you the truth about trans surgeries. Why is that? I can go on Grok. I can go anywhere. I, Clay, I can find. I can watch on YouTube all kinds of surgeries down to the, you know, very specific in the nitty gritty. You won't find a trans surgery on there. You won't find them showing you the aftermath. And that women for, I'm sorry, men, for example, who think they become women end up with a wound that never heals and they call that a vagina. It's monstrous what they have done to these people and it is a necessary step. And by the way, all of the conservatives, all the people on the right who fought hard for this one, and I give credit to people like Matt Walsh for being right on the forefront because this mattered. This is. Our team needed to win this one. Our team needed to get this done for the sake of the country and for the children that are being defended by this. Clay. I hope that there are more of these suits and I hope that this whole edifice of trans surgery for, for minors madness is brought crashing down. Because it is absolutely. You look at this woman, this, this young woman, Clay, that they did this to. She had like five different mental health diagnoses, real mental health diagnoses of mental illness. They think she's in a position to decide that she's not actually a man or a woman. She's essentially crazy and needs help. And that's what they abandoned. They abandoned the Hippocratic oath. They abandoned the most important obligation they have to a patient.
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I think the doctors, many of them should lose their licenses over this because what is the first, to your point, the Hippocratic oath. First, do no harm. I would argue that unnecessary surgery, chopping off body parts is indisputably a violation of the Hippocratic oath. This is JK Rowling just posted this Buck, the Harry Potter author who has been outspoken about trans related issues. She specifically linked this $2 million verdict that we're talking about. And she said, this will go down in history as one of the worst medical scandals of all time. Adults inside and outside the medical profession sold troubled young people like Varian the idea all of their complex trauma would be resolved by removing healthy body parts. As more and more detransitioners arrive in court, the public will learn the full extent of the harm done to these kids. And in the name of an ideology, clinicians performing these treatments will go down in history as barbarous activists who betrayed a sacred oath to do no harm. Which we just said. But we should never forget how many people outside the medical profession urged these young people on gleefully assuring them anyone advising caution was an evil bigot. There are people in elitist professions like publishing and academia, not to mention politicians and celebrities with young fan bases who did all they could to champion the idea of gender identity and. And kept pushing it even as the evidence of harm mounted. They're just as culpable as these clinicians never forget. Because only by learning the lesson can we stop this happening again. Really well said. She maybe has a future in writing. But. But, Buck, I do think that if you're wondering, you're saying, okay, Clay, well, how does this $2 million verdict. How does it change things? All of these hospitals that did these surgeries, a lot of them are run by cowards. But those cowards will now be able to argue, instead of getting crosswise with the transgender community, they're going to say, hey, this isn't a political decision. This is just a business decision. We can't risk tens of millions of dollars in liabilities on lawsuits here. We're going to end these surgeries. So the plaintiff lawyers, ironically, are actually the heroes. Because by putting financial damages on these cases, particularly in places like New York, wait until they start having these cases in Alabama. Wait till they start having these places in Tennessee, Florida. These numbers.
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I want the roof. I want the most aggressive ambulance chasers in history all over this one. And I want them to take these practitioners to the cleaners. I want them to go. So if you've ever been like a slip and fall attorney, now's your chance to be the hero.
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Because.
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And I mean that, because this is critical. Because, Clay, not only what you said is absolutely essential, and that's what I meant about feeling the pain, the financial pain.
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Yes, they have.
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These places must be. There must be consequences for this. Yeah. Have we won the argument? Will anyone. Will any Democrat on a TV show sit there and really argue with me? Or you or somebody on our side about whether men have a physical advantage over women in sports. Even when Neil DeGrasse Tyson tried that, he got completely, you know, laughed. Laughed off the stage. You know, you have all these different people that have been pretending that they don't know this and they've known it all along. Beyond just the financial pain, though, Clay, this will get into court record what really happened.
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Because the, the media silent on this for the most. We're talking about this. This is, this is a huge deal. This is massive liability for all of these surgeries, all of these hospitals all over the country and they're acting like it doesn't happen because I think they don't know what to do right now. I think they're in a bit of a. Of a paralysis. And Clay, once this stuff comes out, because when people find out these surgeries don't work.
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They do not have the intended effect. And the people that said otherwise were lying. They were lying because it made them feel good to lie. And they fed children to the wolves so that they could feel righteous so that they could get invited to the, you know, the Grammys or the Malibu Kamala fundraiser or whatever. That's the whole game here. And these people should be ashamed of themselves.
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It also shows the colossal amount of fear in asking questions because most people in, in real life recognized how ridiculous this was. But the power of calling someone a bigot or the power of calling someone a transphobe, it actually paralyzed and, and froze so many people out there who knew better. And this is where this whole toxic empathy idea has been so effective on the left is it basically silences people who knew better. And that's why I say, like, the real story here is not that we've got some unbelievable revelation that has suddenly made clear what we've been talking about on this program for five years together. It's that the business people now see a liability that they didn't see before. And so they can say, this is not political, this is just business. And look, the idea, and I do think J.K. rowling is right, that in the years ahead, the people who allowed this to happen are going to be seen as modern day Frankensteins. I mean, barbarians. And I think everybody who did these surgeries should lose their medical license. Candidly, I don't think you can have a medical license and have operated on minors. And in the same way, Buck, you've talked about in, in Middle Eastern countries, doctors wouldn't chop off arms or hands.
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Well, this was in Pakistan when under The Zia regime, they said they were going to start removing hands for stealing. And doctors, you know, because they were mostly all western trained, by the way, were like, no, we're not going to put something, just remove their hand.
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So you got people removing organs. I mean, you know, breasts, you got people chopping. I mean, it's, it's, it's barbaric on a level that I don't think people have really dove into. Your point, Buck, is that the health of these people is fundamentally altered forever. You're making sure they never have kids. And these are choices being made at 14, 15 years old.
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Well, think about. And this is a tough one, but if you haven't read it, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's infidel book, which is really an autobiography, she talks about fgm, which is female genital mutilation, which was forced upon her as a young girl and done with a glass shard, a piece of glass. If somebody walked into an American hospital and said, my religion dictates that you need to do this on my daughter or my wife or whatever it may be, the doctors would be like, I'm calling the cops. Yeah, why is that different?
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Why is that? I think it's a great question.
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Someone explained to me the difference. Removing a healthy body part because somebody says, I think you should remove it. They removed young girls breasts. Honestly, people should go to prison over this. I know that's not going to happen, but at a minimum, they should face massive financial penalty. And I have no, by the way, zero sympathy, zero sympathy for anybody who did these procedures. Zero sympathy for anybody who pushed these girls. These. Unfortunately, psychiatry is full of left wing kooks, overwhelmingly. I know we probably have like a few right wing psychiatrists to listen to this show, but it's the most left wing medical profession. Something we need to address, by the way, because I think leftism is mental illness. Being a Democrat these days is basically commensurate with mental illness.
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It's actually not significant enough to strip these people of their medical license. To your point, I think they should face criminal charges. To me, that is the bare minimum that should happen here. I think it's the next step. I think you'll start to hear more and more people call for it as we investigate. I mean, Buck, some of these people did hundreds of surgeries to remove sexual organs and body parts in.
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This is not bravado. This is. And every father. Listen, Clay, you're a father three times over. You know, I would go to prison before I let someone do this. To my son.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I would go to prison, whatever that means. And I would sleep like a baby at night knowing that at least I was a father and at least I didn't abandon my post. I don't know what else to say, everybody. This is the madness in this country. Finally, this darkness is receding and we are seeing the wreckage that has been left. It's just the beginning of clay. There might be some cases, by the way, where the jury goes against. You mentioned this is in Westchester. It's a little surprising, but there might be some very blue areas where they go. No. No damages. So the battle is just starting here.
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No, no doubt. And this is why I want the red states to because I think somebody could get hit. You know, you get to see those headlines, you're like, holy cow, hundreds of millions of dollars. I think some of these places could get hit with verdicts in the hundreds of millions of dollars where truly, even if you're in a blue state, you say, boy, we don't know what jury we're going to get. And it's a shame that it ever had to get here. But. But I salute this jury in New York for the damages. I think frankly, 2 million is not enough, but I think it's a big enough number that it caused a lot of people to take note. Look, if your cell phone companies at&T T Mobile or Verizon, you're overpaying. You can switch to Pure Talk right now. For 25 bucks a month, you get unlimited talk text, plenty of data. Compare that to your current phone bill. Pure Talk service on the same cell towers. You're not sacrificing any quality at all. PureTalk is an American wireless company, one that supports our veterans and invest in a US Only customer service team. So when you call, you're talking to someone right here in the US just 25 bucks a month for talk text, plenty of data, no contracts, no cancellation fee. Just dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck and you'll get 50% off your first month. Again, £250 say Clay and Buck. To make the switch to PureTalk. That's £250, say Clay and Buck. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Mic drops. That never sounded so good. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Followed by the American Medical association as well. So we talked about suddenly this verdict happens and a lot of people who knew better are now coming out. I think that's going to lead to an interesting question, Buck, because if it's not good for under 18s, I think there's also going to start to be a question. Wait a minute, is this surgery that should be allowed for adults either? I think it's going to turn into a real challenge for hospitals on a lot of levels.
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Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, we're talking about the $2 million verdict in Westchester. The reaction of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons and the American Medical association both to say now that transition surgeries, gender change surgeries, however you want to classify it for under 18 year olds should not happen. Many lawsuits are going to continue. Buck, I would just add to our conversation that We've already had. I think this is going to spread to adults as well. Because I think if you're going to say, well, a 16 year old shouldn't be able to make this decision, given the health implications and impacts. I know age of majority matters, but a 19 year old or a 20 year old rendering themselves permanently sterile without truly understanding what they were doing. I think these lawsuits are going to expand and I think the entire concept of so called gender change surgery is going to be attacked on a level that should have happened long before now, but is going to become much more substantial.
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The comparison we've made here in the past on the show to body integrity, body identity integrity disorder, I think it's called biid, where you just. And this is a real thing, you can look it up where people, you know, there's some mental, mental, sorry, some mental illness people can have at very different degrees. A lot of people, some of you listening have a little bit of anxiety. Maybe it would be clinically diagnosed as anxiety, but you can control that and you know, little breathing exercises. Right. It exists on this long span of the same thing with depression. Some people get a little depressed sometimes. You're just responding to life events and you can be down sometimes. Maybe it's a little bit more biochemical. Body integrity identity disorders are very severe and serious mental illness. Right. This is something, it's where you believe that you shouldn't have an arm or you should be paralyzed. It's a very scary. But it's a real thing that can happen to people. No doctor would expect to keep his or her license. No doctor would expect the media apparatus in this country to come to their defense if they removed a healthy arm because the patient wanted it removed. You just wouldn't do that.
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Right.
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And we've been saying all along the comparison between this and these gender transition surgeries is very apt. It is very real. And to your point, Clay, right now we're just talking about the mutilation of kids and some accountability for that. And most importantly now also stopping, you know, you want to stop the damage, stop the casualties from continuing. But Clay, I think this is mutilation for adults as well. Yeah, I think it's completely medically, you know, the guy who did this for the longest time, I forget his name, at Johns Hopkins University, that was essentially the guy after 30 years of gender transition surgery. You know, seeing all these things is like, it's probably not a good idea, guys. And then of course you had to go into hiding death threats because unfortunately the trans activists are Pretty much the most insane left wing people in America.
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Yeah. That's accurate.
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Not just trans people, trans activists. Right. They are crazy. They are completely off their.
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Off their rocker.
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And they're dangerous sometimes too.
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They're committing crimes off the charts relative to their population. With the shooter in Minneapolis, the shooter in Nashville at the two different schools, the Charlie Kirk shooter was a dating a trans related person. And Buck, you hit on this years ago. And I do think it's worth coming back to. They believe it's genocide. The trans community, if you do not allow them to transfer, they believe it's genocide. And I think a lot of people out there in the audience, they really haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this. But back in the day, and let's say the 1980s, if you were, I think RuPaul, right. Or something like you dressed up as a somebody who was different sex, but you didn't claim that you were actually.
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On a cross dressing. You're talking about somebody who's. Yeah.
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Which was like, you know, something that happened. The transition between, hey, like it makes me happier to wear a skirt or it makes me happier to wear, you know, like boys clothes or whatever to I have changed my gender and if you don't allow me to do it, it is the equivalent of a genocide. That is the justification under which they engage in violent acts because they believe that anyone who is trying to stop certain militant aspects of the trans community believes that anyone who's trying to stop these surgeries from being allowed and is actually engaged in genocide, they're eradicating these people from the earth.
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People point to. There's a long history of transvestites. And in fact, in theater, for example, men played all the roles of women. So yes, dressing up as women, but dressing up as women is harmless. I mean, whether you think it's weird or not, that's up to you, but it's harmless and it's a person. There's no problem. If somebody wants to wear a dress, they're welcome to wear a dress, but we're allowed to know that it's. Or we're allowed to say, well that's a dude in a dress.
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Yep.
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And this is the rejection of reality, which is again why there's a whole chapter in manufacturing delusion about this very issue which I recommend you go get right now on Amazon. Go buy a pre order copy please. Or the audiobook also you can hear my voice do the whole book. The gender, the gender affirmation thing that they use this gender transition rhetoric Clay is all meant to get people to give up their right to. To speak the truth. Because if you're willing to say that I don't know the difference between a man and a woman, you can say anything. There's nothing that can't be forced upon you. So it's really the ultimate intellectual subjugation that we're talking about. I don't know the difference between a penis and a vagina. That's a pretty fundamental thing that you can't tell. The difference between gender assigned at birth. To use this language, this was just brainwashing on the scale of the Maoist Cultural Revolution. People went mad with this stuff, and we are finally, finally at an inflection point where we haven't won. But it is turning back the other way. This is moving back in the direction of sanity.
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And for the plaintiffs lawyers out there, you mentioned this earlier. I think they're going to be recruiting some of these young people who had these surgeries. They're going to be advertising for it. The verdicts are going to be truly transformative. In many different red states and all of these different hospitals, you're gonna see a drip, drip, drip of, hey, we're not allowing this anymore. I mean, Minneapolis, it's crazy. Ben, just a friend of mine, Ben Grossman, just sent me this. Children's Minnesota plans to stop prescribing puberty blockers and hormones to minors. You're going to see. That's. You know, in Minnesota, you're going to see more and more hospitals just say, we can't do this anymore because of the liability risk. And again, my point on this is a lot of people in medicine knew this was bunk, but they were so afraid of being labeled transphobic or being attacked for opposing these surgeries that they didn't have the courage to say it. Now, suddenly, the bean counters inside of these hospitals can raise their hand and say, wait a minute. You know, we're risking millions of dollars in verdicts if we keep doing these. Look at what just happened in New York. Why I think it's so significant.
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Well, also, this comes on the heels of the other massive failure of institutional medicine, which was the response of the AMA and the cdc. And go down the list of the COVID pandemic, where they abandoned science in the name of politics. Yes, this was a mass hysteria throughout medicine. Clay, I am still ticked off. And by the way, I no longer. I. I mean, fired isn't the right word, but I got rid of or stopped seeing my primary care doctor at University of Miami Medical center. Because when I moved down here, I said, all right, I need a new primary care. I need to get my checkup done. And they were having everybody mask up. Yeah, this was a couple of years ago. This wasn't. This wasn't. You know, this is like when the pandemic's over and everyone's gotten the bad shots that we didn't need to get. And the whole thing was preposterous. They're still making people mask up. They still have mask up signs around there. I don't trust you as a per. I don't care how smart you are. I don't care what your IQ is. If you were not able to figure out that the whole masking thing was a mass Pavlovian compliance exercise, you are not smart enough to make decisions about my health or anyone else's. You're not brave enough. Maybe brave is the better word. You're not brave enough to make decisions about my health or anybody else's. And we've seen the same thing, the lack of spine, the lack of bravery when it comes to defending children against these mutilation surgeries.
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Well, I remember one of my favorite of the spineless moves that we all saw during COVID was when the pediatric group came out and said, kids need to be back in school. Do you remember this? The American association of Pediatric Doctors, or whatever it was called. They said, oh, no, no, no, we don't need. In 2020, it's more significant harm to kids to keep them out of school than to put them back in school during COVID And. And then they completely flip flopped because Trump also was in favor of schools opening. And so they just reversed their designation. Teachers unions were saying, oh, remember, everybody's going to die. Oh, my goodness, there's, you know, we're going to be on the front lines. It's basically the equivalent of being in war. And they reverse themselves, which is a sign that they were never about the science. They were just engaging in political propaganda. And they had to make people, you know, bend over in a way that they. They were in favor of they.
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Natural immunity was they. That was the biggest thing that they really had no answer for whatsoever. Right. They're making everyone get Covid tests. I'm sorry, I know we're getting the COVID thing here, but it's tied directly into the madness of the gender mutilation surgeries for kids. Institutional medicine abandoned their post, betrayed the Hippocratic oath, and these institutions should be ripped down to the studs. They should be forced to be accountable for what happened here. Remember when all of a sudden, if you had gotten a virus, it did you. You weren't. You didn't have immunity afterwards to it. And we would say, well, hold on. You're making me test. I test positive. I'm clear. I test negative. Two weeks later. I should be good now. No, you still have to get a shot for this.
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Yeah.
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This is. This is inexplicable. This is a little Fauci, the worst little coward I've ever seen in my life, really is the avatar for this madness and this failure. Do you think Fauci ever spoke up on the trans surgery issue? Do you think Fauci ever had anything to say about. These people are shameful. And unfortunately, medicine was overtaken in the last 30 years by a really collectivist mentality. And there's a lot of reasons for this. And we could get into this, but it became an incredibly conformist over bureaucratized and much less. And by the way, I know there are great doctors, some of. Some of my doc. Literally some of my doctors listening to the show right now. And you're amazing. So thank you. But overall, there are doctors who just became a part of this blob who no longer realized that the whole point is to treat people, Clay, and to do by your patients.
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Not only that, the entire point of science is to question everything. And to your point, they became the most conformist industry almost in America, where everybody had to agree on every single different issue, which actually is the antithesis of science itself, which is questioning and continuing to advance different hypotheses and theories to lead us to the more accurate place. And so you think they're going to.
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Boot Peter Attia from the CBS roster. He's had a rough one. Speaking of the Epstein files and everything else, he's had a rough. I always thought he always had some pretty good stuff to say. He was on that Rogan podcast all the time. He was like the favorite health longevity guy of the podcast. Bros. Really tough to explain to people why you would rather be with Epstein than in the hospital when your son, your baby son is in the icu. That's a tough one. That's a tough one.
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A lot of people getting caught up in the Epstein mess. And by the way, a lot of them, in addition to maybe you can see why a lot of people didn't want these emails to come out. We talked about it a great deal yesterday. But I also think it's evidence of this sort of group think dynamic that was in play there when Epstein was donating money. A lot of people were willing to look away from the charges against him and everything else. And the left in particular, I think has been exposed on the Epstein situation way worse than people on the right in general have been as well.
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Want to be in the know when you're on the go the Team 47 podcast. Drop highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck, and let's get some calls going here. Also remind you, though, Crockett Coffee, my friends, I had a bunch of it this morning and it was delicious because it's the best coffee you're going to get anywhere. Go to crockettcoffee.com we're heading to the Alamo at some point soon. Yeah, they sell Crockett Coffee in the Alamo in honor of our man, Davy Crockett. So all of you Texans listening, all of you Tennesseans, how could you drink any other coffee? It is madness. Crocketcoffee.com, go subscribe. We're going to send out a special email for subscribers also to get the book, get you some signed copies of Manufacturing Delusion. And we have Dr. Dave, who's a former ER doc, wants to talk to us about this situation of the trans surgery award in the court. What's going on? Yeah.
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Hi, Clay.
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Hi, Buck.
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This is sort of all based on just my thoughts, but I retired from the ER about 20 years ago. Kind of just about when the insanity was starting up. When I finished my medical training, you had to make a choice. And one thing about pediatrics was field going into more for dedication than to get paid. Well, because they always were known to have compared to surgery fields and everywhere else you can do procedures, and procedures pay. Now, let me just say, as a pediatrician, let me give you an example. At the very end of my career, there was a young pediatrician who had been called into another hospital ER because he was on call in the middle of the night for a Medicaid baby he had no real previous contact with, who was two months old and potentially septic. He spent four hours spinal tap watching, getting results and deciding what to do. It's a critical decision. You send the baby home and make a mistake, the baby will probably die. You put the baby in the hospital, you got to put him on massive antibiotics. Is it a virus or is it a bacteria? However, for the whole thing of hours, he got paid for a spinal tap. Now four days later, he's at my er. It happened. The baby who was supposed to, he had arranged to see a pediatrician the next day. They never followed up. Whether the baby got antibiotics for four days or not, no one really knows. But now the baby is back in the middle of the night at my er, and he happened to be the same doctor on call from my hospital that night. And now he's back with that baby. For spending two nights with that baby, he probably got paid maybe about three or four hundred dollars. A surgeon coming in, doing a procedure would have gotten thousands. Now, I'm not saying it's him, it's the whole field. And I think when this opportunity arose to start getting big money for something new, I think that was the temptation.
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Thank you for the call. I think that is important not only for this aspect, because, Buck, the amount of cost on these surgeries is through the roof. The data actually reflects that. Unfortunately, we are incentivizing lots of doctors to do all sorts of unnecessary procedures that don't actually make most of us healthier, but do pad the revenue of the hospitals and the medical field. And you know, the data. I think you could probably eliminate 75% of all medical treatments and you would have no change in overall outcome. That's my theory. We'll come back in. We'll dive into more of this story.
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I want to talk Tom Holman and ice. Tom Holman and ice stuff for sure. He said some important stuff about Minneapolis. We'll get into that, too, coming up. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.