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Clay Travis
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Or save even faster with mobile coupons you can use right now@valpak.com Valpak there's definitely something in it for you. Welcome in Thursday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck has already, like many of your kids and grandkids, have started his Christmas vacation. He is off and about. I will be with you today and tomorrow solo, taking you into Christmas week and There's a lot for us to dive into. A couple of different stories that are out there that we will be monitoring. We still have no idea who the Brown University shooter was. They've released a few more videos. I'll continue to update you with that. But I'm not optimistic that there is any imminent arrest that is coming there. And as a result, we still don't know a lot about whatever the decision might have been that was made that motivated that attack. So that is out there. The continued fallout of the awful Bondi beach shooting in Australia continues. But we begin with some good news. Inflation has just come in at the lowest level since the spring of 2021, when cost of goods began to skyrocket under Joe Biden as he poured trillions of dollars into the economy in the early days of what I think it's fair to call the worst administration in any of our lives. Inflation comes in at 2.7% again. The inflation goal for the Fed is 2%. We have been fighting our way back down since I believe it was June of 22. Team can correct me if I'm wrong or right on that. I think it was June of 22 that inflation hit 9.1% in this country and necessitated a rapid rise overall in interest rates. I'm going to actually break this down for you because a big part of the 2026 election is going to be based on cost of goods affordability. But I want to give you the latest information. I'll give you a couple of different ways that that this broke down. This was from CNBC economics reporter Steve Leesman. Here he is on cnbc reacting in surprise to the numbers on inflation coming in much lower than expected. Cut to the number of the morning.
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Caller
The CPI. Oh, maybe coming in a little bit better than expected. 2.7%. A little light here. I'm not calling. I'm just reading the headlines here.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
Year over year two seven x food.
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Buck Sexton
And energy core two six.
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Caller
So four tenths off. That is a very good number here.
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Buck Sexton
All right. Very good number. That is cnbc. Here is Maria Bartiromo. Side note, I got to meet Maria Bartiromo for the first time. I think it was in early November at a Fox event. And I was just giddy and Buck would tell you this and my wife would tell you this. I got to meet Joe Kernan. I was a kid who liked to watch CNBC back in the day. So Maria Bartiromo, Joe Kernan, for those of you who remember that era when there was no competition, I was so excited to meet her and she, I was just giddy. And the fact that she knew me and she said, oh, I love what you and Buck are doing. That was awesome. Which reminds me, we should get her on the program. But here is Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo as this news comes out, reacting to it. Cut one.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
Inflation is running at maybe 2.9% right now.
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Buck Sexton
2.7% year over year. Let me interrupt you. I'm sorry, Steve. 2.7% year over Year is the number we were expecting. 2.6% is on core, 2.6% is core and 2.7% is headline. This is better than expected. We were expecting 3% on core. We got 2.6% CPI for the month of November.
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We got headline number of 2.7%.
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Buck Sexton
Much better than the 3.1% expected. Markets are on the move.
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Clay Travis
Dow Industrials now at the highs of.
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Buck Sexton
The morning, up 165 on this number. Okay. As we speak to you, the Dow is near an all time high, the S P500 is near an all time high, and the Nasdaq is near an all time high. And there's no other way to spin it, says Harvard professor of economics Ken Rogoff here. He is reacting to it as well. Again, cut three. I mean, I was surprised. It was a better number than anyone was expecting. Look, inflation's been very high. It stayed high. It has not been coming down. But you know, people were expecting it to be above 3%. It was well below 3%. I mean, I think the president will take this as good news. The investors will think that interest rates.
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Caller
Will get cut more.
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Buck Sexton
So, you know, it was, it was a positive news. There's no other way to spin it. Okay, we're going to get into President Trump's address last night, but this news has come out since then and you might be saying, okay, Clay, what impact does this have on my life? Why does this matter? Let me kind of lay it out for you a little bit. I get that people are frustrated with what things cost. And let me take you on a little bit of a, of a journey and try to make sense of what, what happened and why you are angry, many of you, including me, at what the cost of goods actually are. When Joe Biden came into office In January of 2021, inflation was right around 2%. That is the Fed's stated target. Very low inflation that is hard to recognize in general. Cost of goods, 2% inflation almost immediately. The decision that Biden's team made on the economy was we have to juice the economy coming out of COVID There is danger in not spending enough money. We have to make sure that the federal government is the fire hose that is trying to spray as much economic growth as we can create. And remember, Biden came into office and immediately passed and spent trillions of dollars in spending increases because that was their idea. Hey, we can't go too small. We got to put as much money from the federal government into this economy as we can. And what happened, almost immediately, overall inflation started to skyrocket because we were giving too many people cash. We were still at that time telling a lot of people, stay home, eat Cheetos, the government's got your back. You don't have to worry about income, you don't have to worry about paying for your cost of goods. And the value of a dollar began to plummet and inflation skyrocketed. And By June of 2022, everything had gone up. We were at a 9.1% inflation rate overnight. And I know many of you felt this. You would go out to get fast food or buy a pizza for your family, and everything just started costing way more than it should have. You were looking around, you were saying, how in the world did that pizza cost this much? I have talked about it a lot. Because the place that my family goes the most often is Chick Fil a. I love Chick Fil a. My boys love Chick Fil a. I've got three growing boys suddenly going through the Chick Fil a drive thru Starting in 2021, 2022, everything was over $50 for my family. That $50 used to be, hey, I can go have a sit down meal. I can go to Logan's Roadhouse. I can go to Applebee's, I can go to Chili's. I can eat an affordable sit down meal with an actual waitress coming to take our order. And all of you felt this. And it wasn't just cost of goods. Because inflation skyrocketed so fast, the overall rate of the Fed interest rates also began to skyrocket. And this is where the cost of home started to explode. At the same time that interest rates took off. And for those of you out there that were fortunate enough to buy homes in 2020 or 2021, you got two and a half percent mortgage rates, 15 year, 3%, 30 year rates, all sorts of unbelievable mortgage rates. And then suddenly the mortgage rates skyrocketed to over 7%. And a lot of you out there listening to me right now, you're still in those homes and you're saying, clay, I'M not going to move. I've got a 2 1/2% interest rate locked in. I've got a 3% interest rate locked in. So the overall housing market froze because a lot of people that otherwise might have been considering moving to another home because interest rates skyrocketed so fast as inflation skyrocketed so fast, money was so cheap that suddenly we had to raise the cost of interest rates to try to bring down the overall rate of inflation. And this was effectively the story of the Biden administration. So many people got locked in to homes, and so many people got locked out of homes. And instead of in the spring, typically when moms and dads out there say, hey, we got a new kid, it's time to move to a new school district, you're saying, hey, we're not moving. We're locking in our 2 1/2% interest rate. And maybe your kids have left school, going off to college. Maybe you're thinking about retiring. You don't need the same size home you've already had. You're sitting around saying, why in the world would I sell my home when I'm going to have to take on a mortgage that's a lot higher? Price of homes has gone up so much. Everything was broken. That's the world in which Trump returned to office in January of 2025. And what he has tried to do is focus on bringing down interest rates and bringing down inflation and putting more money into your pocket. And it is working. Now, the challenge is, I'm not sure that it's going to work fast enough for people to feel it in 2026. If we were having this conversation next year, I think the economy is going to be firing on all cylinders. I think the thing that you care about the most, which is more money in your pocket and the cost of goods increasing at a lower rate than your overall wage growth, is. That's the number one. If you told me, hey, Clay, what is the number one economic issue that you think matters the most? It is you need to be making, on average, more money in wage increase than the cost of the goods that you are buying. That with that is how you feel better about your wallet, about your pocketbook, about the money. There's Trump is trying to tell that story now. The challenge is people are angry because of how bad Joe Biden was. And as a result, telling that story is really challenging because you risk sounding like you don't understand what's really going on on the ground when you tell people things are getting better. But they can't feel it yet. That is, to me, the story of 2026. How much does the reality of things getting better start to pierce into the expectations of people on the ground out there? Because things are getting better. The numbers all reflect that. But it takes a while of things being better for people to start to feel it and for the anger to, of the unprecedented economic failures of the Biden tenure to start to diminish. And this is why I have made the argument. As you guys know, I love history many of you lived through. Took a while for Ronald Reagan to actually start to get popular in this country. He took over for Jimmy Carter, who was an economic disaster. Reagan. It took four years for him to catch fire and for people to recognize that all of the supply side decisions he was making were starting to juice the economy. And the inflation from Jimmy Carter and the interest rates that everybody had to pay on their mortgages. It took a while for people to recognize that things were starting to get better. And some of you who lived through that, remember, people weren't sold on Reagan in 81, 82, 83. And then, lo and behold, by 84, the ravages of the Carter era are fading and Reagan can go out and win 49 states. I'm not sure that we're going to see a huge victory in 2026. I am very confident, based on the decisions that are being made right now, that by 2028 everything is going to be firing on all cylinders. And if you question me, remember where we were before COVID hit in February of 2020. Trump. Trump was cruising to reelection. The economy was probably at that time, the strongest it had ever been. Virtually no inflation, mortgage rates were incredibly low, borrowing cost. Everything was starting to fire on all cylinders in Trump 1.0. And then what happened, Covid? And suddenly everything got shut down in March of 2020, and we bore the brunt of the disastrous decisions made really, in the early part of the Biden administration. Okay, did I do a good enough job of making sense of why this matters? We're going to have open phone lines, 800-282-2882. Did I miss something? Is there something out there that you think is important to add? You can do a talk back, you can hop on the phones and react to us. We got a couple of great guests coming your way. Brianna Lyman, first time ever on the show in the second hour. Jonathan Alpert is going to be with us in the third hour. You guys love Jonathan Alpert. He was the psychologist. We had on to talk about Trump Derangement Syndrome in advance of Thanksgiving advice from him on how to handle your family members that may hate Donald Trump as we come into the Christmas season. But I want to tell you right now, unfortunately during the Christmas season we get a lot of cyber hacking going because cyber hackers don't take time off during the Christmas season. This is their prime time. Which is why you need Lifelock. Just look at what some of these hackers did with an online business recently. 700 Credit is a company that handles credit checks for car dealerships. They just confirmed a data breach. You probably won't recognize the company name, but your car dealership does. Your info could be involved if a dealership used their services during your car buying process. Just to give you a perspective, that's 5.6 million people involved in that data breach. Social Security numbers, names, birth dates, addresses. LifeLock helps to monitor all of this to look for threats to your identity being stolen. Your protection backed by LifeLock's million dollar protection package. You can join now and say 40% off your first year with promo code CLAY. That's lifelock.com promo code CLAY my name for 40 off 1-800-lifelock also lifelock.com my name C L A Y Making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. 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Clay Travis
Ten athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points. You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract worth $250,000.
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Buck Sexton
This is where mindset comes in.
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Clay Travis
Someone will be eliminated.
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Buck Sexton
Pressure is coming down.
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're going to get to some of your talkbacks, some of your calls here during the course of the program. I want you to also know you can give a talk back to Jonathan Albert. We haven't really tried this before. If you want advice from him on how to deal with crazy family members, send us a talk back and we will play some of those for him and get specific advice from him on what he would suggest. Oh, we'll have fun with that. And heck, if you want life advice from me, let's try this too. I will give you I will solve any problem that you have in the world humbly because I'm amazing at giving advice. If you make a talk back and producer Greg can check all of those out. We were talking about the challenges that President Trump has in explaining where we are going and let me play this for for you. Cut 8 he says something that I told you that I think is true. We are headed for an unbelievable economic boom.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
Cut 8 tonight after 11 months. Our border is secure. Inflation has stopped, wages are up, prices are down. Our nation is strong, America is respected and our country is back stronger than ever before. We're poised for an economic boom the likes of which the world has never seen.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, I think he's right on all of that. The question is, will people feel it by the time we get to November? Will that economic boom register by November and by the time people start to vote next year? That is the number one question about what's going to happen in the next calendar year. We'll talk about that. Tons of you want to weigh in. I want to tell you Rapid Radio's walkies, advanced versions of what we all grew up with as kids. I had a GI Joe walkie talkie. I loved it. My 11 year old has a rapid radio walkie talkie. We have used it on car trips. He absolutely loves it. It is so cool. They're small. They can hold it in the palm of your hand. Great gift to give for the family not only for fun with the kids but to help in times of catastrophe with the adults. If your power goes out, these things keep a charge for for five days. If you don't have great cell phone signal in your house, these things can help to make sure that you can talk nationwide. Elderly, parents, catastrophe, young kids, great Christmas gift. Rapidradios.com make sure your family is never out of each out of reach. That's Rapid Radios.com check them out. Rapid Radios.com welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show A lot of you wanting to weigh in the current economic situation. Let me hit you with a couple more of the comments that President Trump made last night in his primetime address from the White house. Again, inflation 2.7% lowest in over four years and the core inflation 2.6%. We are narrowing and increasingly almost to the Fed's overall goal for where inflation should be positive news for those of you out there, I think 1.45 million of you that are in the current armed services Trump announced a warrior dividend 17 $76 non taxable lump sum payment. This going to be very popular as we head into the holiday season.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
Cut four because of tariffs along with the just passed one big beautiful bill tonight. I am also proud to announce that more than 1,450 thousand think of this. 1,450,000 military service members will receive a special we call Warrior dividend before Christmas. A Warrior dividend in honor of our Nation's founding in 1776, we are sending every soldier $1,776. Think of that. And the checks are already on the way. Nobody understood that one until about 30 minutes ago. We made a lot more money than anybody thought because of tariffs and the bill helped us along. Nobody deserves it more than our military. And I say congratulations to everybody.
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Buck Sexton
That is very, very positive. So Merry Christmas to many of you out there in the armed services. Let me hit you with a couple of comments and then we'll go into the phone. Reactions. President Trump, for the first time in 50 years, we are now seeing people leaving the country as opposed to illegals coming into the country. Cut 5.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
The worst thing that the Biden administration did to our country is the invasion at the border. The last administration and their allies in Congress brought in millions and millions of migrants and gave them taxpayer funded housing while your rent and housing costs skyrocketed. Over 60% of growth in the rental market came from foreign migrants. At the same time, illegal aliens stole American jobs and flooded emergency rooms getting free health care and education paid for by you, the American taxpayer. For the first time in 50 years, we are now seeing reverse migration as migrants go back home, leaving more housing and more jobs for Americans.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, and one more cut and then we'll go to some of your reactions. Get ready. Trump is saying that the spring tax season, unfortunately that we are projecting the largest tax refunds of all time.
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President Donald Trump (clips)
Cut six next year you will also see the results of the largest tax cuts in American history that were really accomplished through our great big beautiful bill, perhaps the most sweeping legislation ever passed in Congress. We wrapped 12 different bills up into one beautiful bill that includes no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security for our great seniors. Under these cuts, many families will be saving between 11,000 and $20,000 a year. And next spring is projected to be the largest tax refund season of all time.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so that was President Trump last night. We have been laying out exactly what happened. Let me hit you with this, Andy from Minnesota. This is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to the housing market. So many people who were fortunate enough to get great low interest rates are just not going to move because the interest rates have not come back down anywhere close to what they used to be. Here is Andy in Minnesota. Listen to his story. I think a lot of you will understand and also not along because it is a primary factor here in the way that the economy is stuck, particularly relating to housing.
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Caller
Andy out of Minnesota here. My wife and I have Been talking about moving out of this hellhole state into one that more aligns with our beliefs. But we're stuck because we're at a two and a half percent interest rate. I couldn't afford half the house nowadays at the new rate, what the housing market has done, we're stuck here whether we like it or not.
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Buck Sexton
And look, I think if you talk to people out there in the mortgage industry, we are going to get another, roughly, I, I think this is my projection in 2026, I think it is likely that we are going to have another three quarter point or one point decline in the Fed rate, which is going to bring mortgage rates back down into the fives, hopefully the high fours, and not as good as they were in 2021. But borrowing costs are going to come down substantially and I think that's going to start to free up the housing market because you might not be willing to move if you're having to go from a two and a half to a six. But if you're going from a two and a half percent interest rate to a four and a half percent interest rate or five percent interest rate, maybe it starts to make a little bit more sense. Let's see, Gary in Houston, you want to weigh in on what President Trump was talking about when it comes to cost of rent. We got about 2 million illegals that have lost the country, left the country and now rents are starting to dial back as a result. It's basic supply and demand. Gary, what you got for us?
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Caller
Well, just as President Trump said, the impact of the illegal aliens, the millions of aliens, huge impact on rent. But everything else was, it was as a result of inflated and supply and demand. You got more, a lot more demand and no more supply. Everything goes up.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you.
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Caller
The impact of the legal ailments, we don't, we don't have any idea how much it's cost us.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you. I think he's 100% right. I believe in general that you're going to start to see some of these rents dial back. Look, there are two things that I think are moving in a positive direction when it comes to cost of rent. One is the illegal immigrants leaving is driving down the people who are buying up and renting to. Supply continues to grow in many parts of the country. And that combination of the two will bring cost of goods back down to a reasonable area. Let's see, we got a bunch of people who want to weigh in. Oh, Bill, Bill, in Wisconsin, you think the Biden economy was actually great?
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Caller
Well, what was the Rate of unemployment. Just tell me what it was then and now. How many were more people employed or less people employed? What's the answer?
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Buck Sexton
Well, the answer is that there were actually. Most of Joe Biden's employment growth was actually in illegal immigrants, Americans who live in the country. This is true.
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Caller
Come on.
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Buck Sexton
Come on.
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Caller
You know, okay, let's talk about the illegals. Let's talk about them. When we didn't have these closed borders, you know, how many illegals were paying taxes to America and they weren't getting Cadillacs and they weren't getting free phones?
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Buck Sexton
Okay, you think we should have more illegal immigration in the country? What is the right number of illegal immigrants that you would like to see here? Because Biden let in around 10 million that we know of, illegals into the country. What would the right number have been? Should we have let 20 million in? 30 million? What do you think? The right number.
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Caller
We can do a wonderful job of bringing people into this country without concertina wire and everything else. The right amount of number. So do you want a number? Is this. Here's the right amount of number. The number that the country can handle now.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, what's that number?
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Caller
I'm not going to say 50 million. Go ahead.
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Buck Sexton
No, what number do you think that is?
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Caller
Okay, what number? I'll say 10 million.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so you think Biden and the border. Because he let in 10 million, you think he did a good job at the border?
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Caller
Well, did we're. We spending all the money, the billions, maybe trillions on ice? Were we spending all that wasteful money tracking these people down who didn't have half the felonies that your president has?
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so, Bill, how often do you listen to the show?
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Caller
I listen to a lot. I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh before.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so did you? What. What do I say? Or does Buck say that you agree with?
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Caller
Well, you do. I mean, yeah, there's. There's points to agree with we can find. You brought up something the other day that I thought, now we're on the same page. You know, I grew up in the era of Dwight Eisenhower, and I met. I'm older than you, A lot older. Back then we had something called honesty, integrity, diplomacy and humanitarianism. That's all gone. Presently, all gone. It's not important.
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Buck Sexton
Now we have President. Did you vote for President Trump or Kamala?
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Caller
Kamala, without a doubt. I mean, she's educated.
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Buck Sexton
Okay, so you wish that we had Kamala Harris. You were, I'm assuming, a white dude for Kamala?
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Caller
Yes, I was a White dude. You're darn right. Because she had, as a, for a lady, she had a backbone. She, she stood. When she made a mistake, she dealt with it. She didn't blame it on somebody else. She was, had character. This guy you've got now, remember he's a talk show host.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, but so am I. How do you think I would do as president?
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Caller
By the way, I got to say something for you on your behalf. I want to give you a pat on the back and I'm not joking. Thanks for at least having an open end debate. I appreciate that with Americans.
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Buck Sexton
Well, thank you for listening.
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Caller
More of it.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you. I do agree we need more debate. Thank you for listening, Bill. I didn't know that Bill in Wisconsin was going to call in and be a white dude for Harris and say, hey, we need more open borders. I actually think that I, you know, some of you are going to say, oh, Bill, you know, it's crazy. I don't agree with him. I actually appreciate when people just own what they think. Most people won't say what Bill said. This is the question. Look, I would love to have Kamala Harris on this program because the question that Bill was asked is one that I think Democrats should have to answer. Okay, we need more immigration. What is the number of people that would be too many to come into the country? Right? Because look, I mean, there are 8 billion people that live in the world right now. 8 billion, okay. We are so incredibly fortunate to be around, I think the population of the United States around 340 million. And here's a great stat for you. How big is this country? Do you know that just in Texas, Every single American could live in Texas on a 1 acre yard and the rest of the country could still be empty. Think about it. That's how big the state of Texas is, but that's how vast the country is. Okay, but at some point in time there is a number where we sit around and say, there's 8 billion people in the world. I bet that 7 billion of them, if you ask them, would say, yeah, I would like to live in the United States. I really believe that. I think huge majorities of people in Asia and Africa and Europe and everywhere around the world. I think if you said, despite the fact that people say, oh, they hate America now, you could pick any country in the world to live in. I think about 7 billion of those people, if they were being honest, would say, I'd like to live in the United States. So for those of us that are born in the United States, we have received the greatest gift that could ever be out there, that we were born in America and we get to live in the greatest country, the wealthiest country, the freest country that I believe has ever existed in the history of the world. And the way Warren Buffett puts it is, I think, such a great way of thinking about it. He says, look, if every person in the world was a marble and there was just a big collection of all those marbles and you had your marble and that represented the life that you are living today, would you trade your marble with a random marble that you could just pull out of that 8 billion? And he says, and this is true, basically, no American should ever make that trade. That is, no matter what life you are living right now, almost every American is wealthier than who you would draw out. This is a good stat. The poorest Americans are far wealthier than almost the wealthiest people who live in most countries around the world. The poorest Americans would be in the top 20% wealthiest people in India right now. Right. The standard of living here, even for the people who are the bottom of the economic ladder in the United States is vastly higher than almost the, the peak for the vast majority of the world. So everybody wants to come here. My argument would be that we should have almost, almost no, almost no zero people who come into this country and aren't able to immediately make a living. If you're going to become a ward of the state, if you're going to need war welfare, you should never be allowed to come in here. Um, and so anyway, I appreciate that. Call 800-282-2882. You guys can weigh in on the talkbacks as well. I don't know how many white dudes for Harris out there listen every day, but hopefully over time we're convincing you that we've got better arguments. Look, when it comes to equipping your home with self protection tools, you want Saber products. Saber number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. Saber Spelled S A B r e website saberradio.com Buck and I both have all of their products in our home, particularly the Saber pepper spray gel projectiles. Both of our wives like having these devices in the home because they are non lethal, but they are incredibly protective. Saber's been doing it for 50 years. You're gonna love them. Great holiday gifts, great beginning of the new year gifts. Great gifts for the kids and grandkids that are out off at school, in college or also maybe they're working late night jobs at, at local establishments, get hooked up Right now you can save 15 at Saber Radio at sabre.com that's S-A-B-R-E-Radio.com Again 15 saberradio.com 844-824 S A F E Sometimes all you can do is laugh and they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang. Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in Clay. Travis, BUCK Sexton SHOW Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program. So many of you out there reacting. Let me hit a couple more of your calls. We'll continue to take your calls throughout the course of the show. A lot of reaction to our white dude for Kamala from Milwaukee. Appreciate him listening out there. Nate, in New Hampshire, you have a little bit of a different take than our caller in in the Wisconsin area.
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Caller
Yeah. Hi, Clay. Thank you for taking my call. Yeah, I from my personal experience, I'm not an economist or anything, but during the first Trump administration and now this Trump administration, I have found that there is a lot more optimism and happiness in the American people in general. This is just what I have found. I can't give you numbers because I'm not, but people in my opinion seem to be a lot more optimistic and a lot happier. And that seems to reflect, in my opinion, in the economy, people when they're more optimistic and more happy, they're more willing to open up their wallet and spend more and save more. And it just is a way better feeling. And the two best times of my entire life have been under the Trump administration. And I'm just, I thank God every day for Trump being in office and also for you and Buck. And I just love you guys.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you so much, Nate. We're going to a break at the end of the hour. It's hard to get a vibe check on a nation as big as this country is, but I do think the overall vibe is positive as we roll into 2026. Continue to take your calls and I'll break down the latest on that Brown University shooting.
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Clay Travis
Ten athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and and mental breaking points. You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract worth $250,000.
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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
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