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Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra affair.
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Leon Neyfakh
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
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Clay Travis
Please do.
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Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clay Travis
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off now. Cinco. Cinco de Mayo edition. I don't speak Spanish very well. Sorry. Cinco de Mayo and play. We could all take a moment to commemorate the victory over the Second French Empire at the Battle of Pueblo in 1862. I remember it like it was yesterday. So this really has just become a holiday that Americans have appropriated so that we can have an excuse to drink a lot of cerveza and margaritas. Because Mexicans don't care about this holiday very much. This has become an American thing. We love Cinco. Cinco de Mayo for there the excuse that it gives us to eat delicious food, maybe wear some festive attire.
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Dave Rutherford
Sombreros. I want as many people to culturally appropriate today as possible. I want you to post comfortably on your social media accounts if you have a sombrero hat, if you potentially have a Mexican mustache that you would like to pose with as well. We would like to honor all of our good friends in Mexico with the best thing that America does, which is take the best things from the world and make them better.
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Clay Travis
Do you agree with my somewhat controversial tweet that just came to me this morning that burritos somewhat overrated, but taquitos, which is a deep fried taco, underrated.
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Dave Rutherford
So it does not surprise me that you would even have elite and high end Mexican food taste, which the burrito I know because the advertisements run all the time with Eva Longoria's podcast advertisement and I, I understand where the burrito came from. I actually am a quesadilla fan. I think the quesadilla is the peak Mexican dish. Now, I know some of you are going to argue fajitas a lot of work and it's always, you know, like sizzling and, and then you have to move things around and complicated. I like the quesadilla. Everything rolled together. And I'll even specify, used to be a chicken quesadilla guy. Now all in on shrimp quesadillas, which probably is a little bit healthier.
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Clay Travis
You know, I'm just going to say I would usually like to make fun of your taste by saying of course you like the Mexican version of the grilled cheese. However, when it comes to fajitas, I've had bad fajitas. I have. Sometimes the steak is too chewy, sometimes the chicken is way too dry. I've never had a bad quesadilla. I will just.
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Dave Rutherford
It's hard to scratch. Quesadillas are up there with like cheeseburgers, chicken fingers, pizza, if you screw it up. And I mean, this is why kids, like, a lot of times kids go with the cheese quesadilla because they don't want anything else on it. And it basically is even closer to a grilled cheese then it's just really hard to screw up a quesadilla if you got to make a choice.
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Clay Travis
Now. Just saying for everybody, Cinco de Mayo, enjoy however you celebrate. And we could get into some of the discussion about cultural appropriation later. First of all, it's an idiotic term. Second of all, I think that that as a notion is rapidly fading away. And I have to say I wonder if we're even going to see the controversy this fall over children wearing like a Pocahontas Halloween costume. Is this stuff finally going to go back to normalcy where people don't act over, overreact and become hypersensitive? Anyway, discussions for, for later in the show or perhaps another day, let's give you what we got on the news here. Cause I know that's the first and foremost reason why you come and hang with us. That and Clay's culinary takes. We got a sit down with Trump where he covered a lot of ground on Meet the Press. Talks about the border, talks about the Trump third term. We are going to dive into that. Trump also with some scorching truths, which I always think of as tweets, but truth social postings over the weekend, one on judges, and he's almost verbatim, Clay, copying what we've said so many times in the show, which is if Democrats can kick the border wide open and we can't deport anybody in any meaningful numbers, including people that have been here for a year, two years, you know, three years. If we can't do that, the country is essentially over because the Democrats are just going to flood the country to the point where there's no longer sovereignty and the rule of law has just become a joke. We'll, we'll get into that. A lot of attention. And we will spend some time on Trump's truth about reopening Alcatraz as a prison. It's already open, Clay. You've been right.
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Dave Rutherford
So I was just there like a month ago, remember? Because that's when I watched the great film the Rock with my junior in high school. We were out in San Francisco, we toured Alcatraz. We'll get into the Rock in a little bit. But yes, you know, our friend Dave Rutherford.
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Clay Travis
Dave Rutherford, who is a former Navy seal, has sent us a talk back about this little controversy in that movie because the seals just get wiped out by the Marines. I'm sure the Marines all laugh about this one and they're like, haha, look at the seals. But the seals did not have a good showing in the Rock, which is the most absurd movie any of us, I think, have ever. I loved it, though. I'm not. I'm hating.
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Dave Rutherford
So entertaining. I'm not. I'm not going in with the historical accuracy or the analysis of the gun battles, which I'm sure the seals are not happy about. I think the idea of a group of Navy seals deciding to take over chemical weapons. Sorry, if you spoiler alert here. Deciding to steal chemical weapons and take over an island.
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Clay Travis
Well, it's the Marines who steal it. The seals try to take the island back. So the seals are the good guys.
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Dave Rutherford
Sorry, the Marines. Yeah, that's right. Clay.
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Clay Travis
Clay.
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Dave Rutherford
Sorry, sorry. My bad. They got the seals get wiped out.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Dave Rutherford
By the Marines real fast. Spoiler alert.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, because we're used to this. Usually when the seals appear in the movie, it's like the cavalry arrives. You're not used to the seals getting all wiped out without taking out a single bad guy. So that's the one part of the Rock. It's like, oh, man. So anyway, Dave Rut is a former seal. He'll weigh in. We'll have some fun on that. I do, by the way, this is not a grumpy buck moment. I do think the Rock is a great watch. It is just absolutely preposterous, top to bottom, and is kind of a stealth James Bond movie, too, because of the Sean Connery thing. But we shall discuss that. We got a lot more to dive into and we've heard your talkbacks and emails from over the weekend. But let's dive. Let's get into the Trump situation here. Let's get into what happened in this interview with Chris. First of all, this is. We have to keep reminding everybody, because if nothing else happened, Clay, in the first year of a Trump presidency, then completely securing the border to the point where everyone has to agree it's secured, you would think, wow, that's a really, that's a really big win for the administration. The only issue that I have with this, or rather the only problem I can foresee, is that he secured the border so quickly that it's now turned into, ok, what's next? Which, yes, that's a high class problem, you could say, but it's amazing what they've been able to do. And even Kristen Welker has to admit this. This is cut one about border crossings. Play this. Border crossings are at their lowest level ever recorded. Is the border, is the border now secure?
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Kristen Welker
Yeah, it's really secure.
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Clay Travis
It's absolutely.
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Kristen Welker
When you say that, doesn't that just sound good? After being abused for years by an incompetent president that allowed people to pour through an open border, criminals from all over the world, murderers and insane people from mental institutions and insane asylum, says it. Isn't it a beautiful thing when you say it's the most secure it's ever been in the history of our country? Isn't that a nice statement?
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Clay Travis
It is a nice statement, Clay.
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Dave Rutherford
And I actually think that we have to keep hammering that home because I think it's indicative that you have to trust Trump on economic and tax policy and other immigration policy choices, because everything that he said he would do at the border, he did it, and he did it in the first month. And Democrats said basically this was impossible. And it is an incredible accomplishment to have the most secure border that we've ever had in the history of our nation. And so I don't think we can overlook that as there are other battles that are intensely underway right now. And I think, I mean, I know we talked about the stock market for several weeks back, back in April. You know, the stock market is now higher than it was at the beginning of April. That's the S&P 500, the Dow and the NASDAQ. And if you were just calm and you either bought more or you just put your 401k off to the side and didn't look at it, you're doing very well, unfortunately. I know that a lot of people bought high and sold low because you let your emotions get the better of you. But we're potentially. We'll see how it goes today. Buck. I think it would be 10 straight days, which is a record for the last 20 years of stock market going up. And we're basically back to where we were on election day. So if you didn't feel incredibly poor on election day, and I hope a lot of you did not, then the stock market goes up and down. But six months later, we're basically at the exact same place as we were then. And I think that's significant. And why I hope that you stood strong and didn't bail and, and turn into what it. What did panic and what did Trump call it? Don't be a panicking. Yes.
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Clay Travis
Don't be a panicking. Yes. He's good with the words. Trump. Bigly, bigly talented when it comes to words. We have a new tariff that got discussed, though, in this interview. This is getting a lot of attention. I think it was covered the Wall Street Journal online today, or at least on the, on the front page, if you will, about the movie industry in this country. And Clay Trump has appointed as special ambassadors to Hollywood Mel Gibson, Arnold Schwarzenegger and John Voight. And there is a big problem with Hollywood right now. People who. Rob Lowe did a podcast. I'm a, I'm a Rob Lowe fan. Rob Lowe did a podcast. Guys had quite a career, Long, long time. And they were talking about how expensive it is to try to make any movie in Hollywood right now. And it's insane, but it's actually a really good microcosm. People might say, oh, this is what's actually a huge business. But they might say this is just one industry. And okay, but what's going on when you can't make movies in America anymore? We're the place that makes all the movies, but we have to make them in other countries. I think that this is important because it shows what we're dealing with here, with stupid policy, with unnecessary regulation and costs. So Trump says there are going to be tariffs now on movies that are not made here. Play to the movie tariffs.
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Leon Neyfakh
What they've done is other nations have been stealing the, the movies, the movie making capabilities from the United States. And I said to a couple of people, what do you think? I've done some very strong research over the last week and we're making very few movies now. Hollywood is being destroyed. Now you have an incompetent, grossly incompetent governor that allowed that to happen. So I'm not just blaming other nation nations, but other nations, a lot of them have stolen our movie industry. And I'm saying if they're not willing to make a movie inside the United States and we should have a tariff when movies that come in. And not only that, governments are actually giving big money. I mean, they're supporting them financially. So that's sort of.
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Clay Travis
All right. So Clay here, let's. The audio is not great there, but you hear what Trump saying, more or less saying, look, it's too expensive. On that Rob Lowe podcast that I mentioned, he said that I think it was for a lot of productions. Even if there is an open lot in Hollywood, an actual movie lot that no one is using, it is cheaper to fly the entire cast to Budapest and make the movie in Hungary. This is American production companies. Yeah.
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Dave Rutherford
I mean, this is a reality. And Hollywood and I actually think Trump, some of you probably are going to think this too, may be too kind right here in what he's doing, because LA is not exactly Trump country and Hollywood isn't either. But I think it's emblematic of staying committed to principle over the politics here. Hollywood and America in general is being hollowed out. Now, partly that's because of the cost to your point buck that Gavin Newsom has put to bear on production there. I know I worked on a Hollywood studio, well, a LA studio on the Fox lot. I've spent months and months, if not years of my life doing shows that are originating from la, sometimes here locally in Nashville, but other times on the lot itself. And there has been a tremendous decline. I think the number in the New York Times I was reading about it is something like 30% of all Hollywood productions have vanished in the last couple of years and they're now going elsewhere. And there's a lot of people struggling that used to work and I'll point this out. The people Buck. And you've. You might heard Adam Carolla telling us this. I found it to be true. The guys and gals who build the sets and walk around with the cameras and do the physically laborious jobs of making movies and television, actually, a lot of them vote Republican because they would come up to me and they'd be like, dude, I agree with everything you're saying. They'd say it quietly. You know, a lot of times the people in front of the cameras don't. But the people behind the scenes, these people are really hardworking, physical laborers oftentimes. And many of them are Trump people.
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Clay Travis
You know, my. My wife yesterday was tending to our baby, Little speed. And we're flipping through because she, you know, she's got a lot of. A lot of baby chores to take care of, and I try to help out. So I'm there with her. And we're. We're in kind of that mode where we're all taking a beat with the baby. We're trying to find something on tv. We're flipping through, and we get to the Schwarzenegger classic Commando, which she had never seen, and we proceeded to dive into. Have you ever seen Commando?
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Dave Rutherford
Oh, of course.
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Clay Travis
Up there with the Rock. In terms of. Great movie. Absolutely preposterous and makes no sense in any. But doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Still a great movie. But it's the whole thing. You can tell it's shot in the. In like the. Either the Hollywood Hills or probably in the Valley somewhere. I mean, it's shot right in the vicinity of la. You can just see the topography and the cars all have LA license plates on and everything else. And it's just funny because that used to be the standard. So many of the movies we grew up with were all filmed in and around Southern California because that's where Hollywood was, right? So you just. You hired a camera crew, you went to a place that. And what we've seen now is they're all making movies in Vancouver.
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Dave Rutherford
Why are you.
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Clay Travis
Why are you going to make movies in Vancouver? So I don't think what Trump is doing is crazy. But beyond that, I think people recognize that bad policy and bad decision making by people like Gavin Newsom have really made it hard for one of the great American industries, which is true of the. Of the movie industry. It is one of the great America. We are totally dominant in movies, and we should continue to be. All right, we'll come back into all this here in just a moment. You know, Ransomware activity is on the rise. On the rise. These online hackers have been targeting companies, school districts, hospitals, you name it. Get a LifeLock membership and protect yourself. LifeLock monitors millions of data points a second for risks to your online identity. And if you do become a victim, a dedicated US based restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Scammers are getting increasingly sophisticated, and sometimes you don't even know you're being hacked. LifeLock detects and alerts you to potential identity threats you may not spot on your own, like loans taken out in your name, unwarranted charges on your credit card, and more. It's important to understand how cybercrime and identity theft are affecting our lives, and it's easy to help protect yourself with LifeLock. Join now and save 40% off your first year with My Name Buck as your promo code, call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com and use promo code Buck for 40% off terms apply.
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Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
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Clay Travis
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
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Dave Rutherford
No.
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Buck Sexton
It became known as the Iran Contra.
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Dave Rutherford
Affair and I'm not taking any more questions.
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Clay Travis
In just a second I'm going to ask.
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Buck Sexton
I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
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Leon Neyfakh
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you.
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Clay Travis
Please do.
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Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dave Rutherford
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We should mention our number three today. Some of you saw and we wanted to make sure we covered that. There have been reassignments and some consequences for the FBI agents who kneeled during the BLM protest. I know it was five years ago, but Cash Patel has not forgotten about that. And Nicole Parker, former FBI agent, she's down in Miami. She's been on the show before. She does a lot of Fox News as well. She's going to come on and talk about that and the changes that she has seen begin to be made in the FBI and why they are so important. We'll also have fun with the Alcatraz discussion as Buck laid out, and maybe the greatest investor of all time. I think there is a strong argument that that is the case. 94 year old Warren Buffett over the weekend in Omaha, Nebraska at the Berkshire Hathaway Hathaway annual shareholder meeting announced that he was going to be stepping down at the end of the year. We'll also talk about that in the context of stock markets today. And I've got a stat that will blow your mind about how well Berkshire Hathaway did during the tenure of Warren Buffett's leadership. I'm not sure that anybody ever is going to equal or even come close to equaling his success in the larger marketplace and how much better he did than the S&P 500 overall. We'll break all that down for you and more. But I want to tell you right now, it's been wild in terms of the weather out there. And if you are dealing with all sorts of crazy weather, you may have had a lot of branches, a lot of leaves ending up in your gutters and maybe you don't want to get up on the ladder and have to to get up there and risk yourself to unclog your gutters. Right now you can get hooked up 30% off leaffilter.com clayandbuck Gutter clogs, not just a nuisance, they cause extensive water damage. Let leaffilters trusted professionals help protect your home from flooding, roof damage, rotting and more. They'll clean out, realign, seal your gutters before installing Leaffilter's award winning patented technology. Protect your home. Never clean out gutters again with leaff Filter, America's number one gutter protection system. Schedule your free inspection. Get up to 30% off your entire purchase at leaffilter.com clayandbuck that's leaf filter.com clayandbuck see the representative for warranty details.
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Clay Travis
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we're talking here about some of the big moves from Trump over the weekend. He sat down with NBC News, abc. Which one? I don't know. Kristen Welker, I forget which one.
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Dave Rutherford
Is she with NBC, NBC News. She was actually a member of one of the unfair moderators, which goes back to Trump's willingness to talk to anybody.
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Clay Travis
Like the, maybe the old ambush stuff about like Bob, what about January 6th and you're a fascist and stolen election and no one cares, no one wants to hear it anymore. So they're out of the, they're out of the usual tactics and so they have to say, okay, I mean, I guess you secured the border, but, like, what about Abrego Garcia? I mean, they're just, they're really scraping the bottom of the attack barrel here.
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Dave Rutherford
The New York Times buck had like a 6,000 word piece on Abreu Garcia on the front, on the front page of the Sunday New York Times. And I could not even hardly read more than a couple of paragraphs. But given all of the revelations about him, I'm surprised that they have continued to try and make him a victim.
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Clay Travis
So let's, let's discuss another big moment from Trump from his Truth Social account. Rebuild and open Alcatraz. All caps. For too long, America has been plagued by vicious, violent and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will never contribute anything other than misery and suffering. When we were a more serious nation in times past, we did not hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep them far away from anyone they could harm. That's the way it's supposed to be. No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who spread filth, bloodshed and mayhem on our streets. That is why today I am directing the Bureau of Prisons, together with the Department of Justice, FBI and Homeland Security Security, to reopen a substantially enlarged and rebuilt Alcatraz to house America's most ruthless and violent offenders. We will no longer be held hostage to criminals, thugs and judges who are afraid to do their job and allow us to remove criminals who came into our country illegally. The reopening of Alcatraz will serve as a symbol of law, order and justice. We will make America great again. Okay, so do we think that Alcatraz is. I feel like this would take a long time.
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Dave Rutherford
I am behind almost every Trump idea. And this is very funny. I just toured Alcatraz. I have. Look, there are some things that he tosses out that. See, I know he doesn't drink, but this is like Clay Travis, 3am at the bar, you know, and we should open up Alcatraz again, too. We should lock violent, dangerous criminals up. Alcatraz. I just toured it. Alcatraz would need a lot, a lot of work in order to be rehabilitated as a prison. And it isn't even that big of a prison, so you can't even fit that many people there.
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Clay Travis
It had like 300 people at its, at its peak right in this.
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Dave Rutherford
Yeah, but we're talking about, I don't think you could put people in the jail cells that they put them in Alcatraz back in the day. Like you couldn't. I Don't I. I've been tour guide.
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Clay Travis
Tour guide, Clay Tate. Like, what is it like when you saw this compared to what you thought of. First of all, we, we'll talk about the Rock in a second. The Rock is the most famous Alcatraz pop culture content of all time. No question. Sean Connery, Nicholas Cage. I think it might be Nicholas Cage's best movie. But okay, so what was it like when you actually saw it?
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Dave Rutherford
So it is mostly run down, decrepit. Right. They haven't had any prisoners there since 1963. It is not very big. The parts that you can tour, which is basically the whole thing. The, the, the gel cells are tiny. So I don't think that you could, in a modern era, put someone inside of those. I also don't think that they would be anywhere near maximum security level prison today. Right. Like, this is a very old prison that is in no way kept up with the historic standards of, of, of security that would have existed over the last 60 years. It is also, they used to have like all the wardens there. In fact, the woman, one of the women who grew up there. I mean, they had a school. It's, it's a very fascinating tour. I would encourage anybody who is in San Francisco to get on the boat. It's not very far. It's a gorgeous tour on the bay. I took my 17 year old out there when we were in San Francisco for a couple of days, but I think it is impossible. How long on the boat? I think you could, I mean, it's like a mile out. So I mean, 15, 20 minutes probably on the boat, quick boat. And you could get there even quicker if you, you know, depending on what size boat you had.
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Clay Travis
So you know that two people actually escaped from Alcatraz. Their bodies, though, were never found. They were bad.
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Dave Rutherford
I think it was three, because I was just there, three guys. They have no idea what happened to them.
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Clay Travis
Three guys? Yes, three guys.
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Dave Rutherford
This is when you just have tour guide Clay, tour guide Clay. And also because, as everyone does, you're like, hey, do you think they made it? And they never found their bodies? Do you think they made it, got to the mainland and just vanished because they never wanted to be found again? Or did they die? You can swim it. My son did not believe me when I said I thought, I'm not a very good swimmer.
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Clay Travis
I was about to ask, do you think you could swim it? And how much money would someone have to pay you? There are very large great white sharks in the San Francisco Bay throwing that.
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Dave Rutherford
Well, they also do a yearly race, I think Escape from Alcatraz. I think Riley Gaines from Outkick and does a lot of Fox News. I think she swim it now. She was a college swimmer, so she's pretty good. But I think there are hundreds of people that get in there and swim. I think I could make it. My wife said I would drown, but I think.
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Clay Travis
Thanks. Thanks, Laura.
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Dave Rutherford
Yeah, I think I could make it. Now what I don't know is how the currents work, which would work against me, obviously. Like, does it continue to push you back out and. Or in what direction because. Or backwards. Could you go to Sausalito in the other direction, I think. Or would you just flounder out there for a long time? It probably doesn't surprise anybody that even though I'm not a great swimmer, that I think I could make the swim. I think. And, and I. This could be a. A really poor. A really poor choice. I don't think there's actually that many sharks in the bay. I think they have oversold the shark infested nature of the bay. Now there are tons of seals and the seals now come up on Pier 32, which is very cool, but I don't think your odds of actually getting eaten by a shark would be very high. I think you would far more likely to drown if people swim.
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Clay Travis
Well, the odds are never. The odds are never high, Clay. But when you're suck it in some salt water and splashing through some waves and get a little cold and realize you've got another like 40 minutes of swimming ahead of you and it's, you know, then all of a sudden you.
- [31:46]
Dave Rutherford
Start thinking, what are those sharks eat.
- [31:49]
Clay Travis
I'm sure they, I think they eat the big fat seals.
- [31:51]
Dave Rutherford
Buck. There are people. I didn't realize this. There are people every morning that go down and swim lots of laps in the San Francisco Bay. I mean, they swim all over the place in the, in every day, year round because they say, you know, it's like a cold plunge. It toughens them up and maybe it does, but I think I could make it. I think most people would drown. I'm not a great swimmer, but I've never come close to drowning. I think it would be like the little engine that could. I would just keep going and eventually I would make it to land.
- [32:20]
Clay Travis
I love your confidence. One guy who knows something about cold swimming and, and seals is our friend Dave Rutherford, former Navy SEAL who is on the Clay and Buck podcast network. You should check out the Dave Rutherford Show. He's. He's getting so many people tuning in and listening every week, it's growing. But I asked about this because that was always the thing that bothered me about. Now there's a lot of implausible stuff, but I don't care. I love the Rock. It's a great movie, but if you've seen. It's the only movie I've ever seen where a SEAL team comes in like the cavalry has arrived and they get completely wiped out. I don't think. I don't think they take out like a single bad guy too. I asked Rudd if he would weigh in on the depiction of the seals in in the Rock the movie, and he gave us a Talk back. Play 27.
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Riley Gaines
Okay, Clay, Buck, allow me to jump in on this Rock dispute a little bit. And, and listen, I absolutely love that movie. I mean, NICK CAGE and 007, I mean, the prom queen comment, one of the funniest ever. Absolutely loved it. You know, but here's the deal. There is no way that Master Chief Denny Chalker, a former Plank, owner of Seal Team 6, or, or Instructor Haas, both of which who were instructors of mine in the 90s when this thing came out. There is no way that they would allow that operational fiasco to take place. It's just not gonna happen right now. Don't get me wrong, I love my Marine Corps brothers, I love that they eat crayons for a living. But there is just no way in hell that those cats would have gotten the jump on a SEAL team platoon of that level in that situation. It just ain't gonna happen. So it is what it is.
- [34:03]
Clay Travis
Hoo ya there. I'm just saying they're not all. You mean they're not all gonna, one by one, slowly crawl into a, like a bathroom with an elevated platform around it, meant for people to ambush them? Yeah, I'm just, you know, let's give the SEAL some credit here.
- [34:19]
Dave Rutherford
It was Ed Harris's finest role. It's one of Sean Connery. I know he was James Bond, but Sean Connery is incredible in that movie. And obviously Nicholas Cage is pretty extraordinary. I mean, I watched it. For those of you out there, I think it came out in 1995. Ish. I watched it because it was on paper, that smart move by the San Francisco Hotel because we came back from Alcatraz, we're back in the hotel room that night, I'm telling my son, hey, there's a great action movie made about Alcatraz called the Rock. He has no idea what I'm talking about. Sit down, start Scrolling through the available movies that night at, you know, 9:00 or whatever it was, boom, the Rock is available for rent. I might be the only person who's paid $15 to watch the Rock in the last decade, but we watched it. He loved it. My, my junior in high school had no idea. He was like, this is so good, Dad. I was like, I thought you would like it.
- [35:15]
Clay Travis
Yeah, they don't make movies like that anymore. It was a great, great flick. I really enjoyed it. And if any of you haven't seen it, certainly I couldn't. I didn't realize Kerry had never seen Commando. So you never know. If any of you haven't seen the Rock, it's certainly worth. And it's a great rewatch as well. Like, if you've seen it a hundred times, it's a lot of fun. But let me, let me ask you, getting back to policy in the news here for a second. So what happens? Trump is the president, he tells Bureau of Prisons to reopen this. What happens now? Like, really what happens now? Do they start to try to think about how they could do this?
- [35:47]
Dave Rutherford
First of all, it would take, I bet, seven or eight years to retrofit. So if Trump is not going to be president, when it would be done? I don't know. I mean, I think it's a National Park Service site. I have, I presume that the President has executive authority to change the way that it's classified. But what would happen, I don't know, like, if, if Trump, Trump just came out and he was like, hey, you know, we're going to put a prison at Gettysburg Battlefield. I, I don't know. Does the president have the authority to alter a national historic site? I think it would probably, like almost everything Trump tries to do probably go to court, because I would think the people of San Francisco, it's one of the most iconic tourist attractions in San Francisco. And I think they would probably argue that it has more value to them now as a tourist attraction than it would as a prison, to say nothing of. Again, there is. You basically would have to raise, tear down the entire prison structure and build a brand new prison in order to be able to hold anybody there.
- [36:53]
Clay Travis
The Bureau of Prisons has already been asked about this, and their response is, we comply with all presidential orders. So, so, I mean, that is the official Bureau of Prison, Bureau of Prisons response so far as I'm seeing here, to Trump saying this, which, which makes sense. He is the president and he has said do this.
- [37:13]
Dave Rutherford
So I guess they're going to really, really funny. I I don't know how this is going to play out and I can't imagine it being safe to put a prisoner there because you don't want him to escape. I can't imagine it being very easy to rehab and put a prisoner there. So that is interesting in and of itself.
- [37:34]
Clay Travis
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Dave Rutherford
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- [40:38]
Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
- [40:47]
Clay Travis
Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?
- [40:50]
Dave Rutherford
No.
- [40:52]
Buck Sexton
It became known as the Iran Contra affair and I'm not taking any more questions.
- [40:57]
Clay Travis
In just a second I'm going to ask.
- [41:00]
Buck Sexton
I'm Leon Nayfak, co creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly four 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.
- [41:18]
Leon Neyfakh
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.
- [41:24]
Clay Travis
Please do.
- [41:30]
Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [41:38]
Dave Rutherford
Welcome back. In Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Riley Gaines Ali has confirmed confirmed that she made the swim and I asked Allie, do you want to just come in? Is this you who's been texting with Riley to see whether or not she thought I would die?
- [41:55]
Allie
Yes. I was messaging her while you guys were talking about it. And what did she say here?
- [42:01]
Dave Rutherford
She did swim it. I was correct. And I remember seeing that she had posted about swimming it. She swam it, ironically, Buck with Navy seals.
- [42:09]
Allie
Yeah, it wasn't an organized race, but she swam it and she's planning on doing it again this July. As to whether you could make it, she said diplomatically, anything less than a proficient swimmer probably wouldn't make it. Incredibly cold, very wavy, big currents.
- [42:25]
Clay Travis
Clay, I smell a challenge, buddy. I smell a challenge. I think we got to do the Clay Travis annual Cold Plunge here. We raise money for charity. You know, maybe we get like Crockett Coffee to sponsor it. I like where we're going with she also, I will wait for you on Shore with a hot cup of tea. Key.
- [42:43]
Allie
Riley also added that she's not scared of sharks, and she had a pod of dolphins swimming beside her, which was an indicator the sharks would stay away.
- [42:52]
Dave Rutherford
I feel. Well, why is that? But the. The. The dolphins will chase away the sharks.
- [42:57]
Clay Travis
Yeah, dolphins will. Dolphins will mess up sharks, generally speaking.
- [43:00]
Dave Rutherford
Especially even a great white.
- [43:01]
Clay Travis
Oh, yeah.
- [43:02]
Dave Rutherford
The way I see this going, Buck, is either I'll be eaten by a shark or I'll drown, or I'll have to get rescued by one of the Navy. Navy SEALs, which would immediately go mega viral. Me getting dragged out of the water near death. I probably hypothermia, too. I do feel like I could do it. I'm not a very good swimmer. I don't.
- [43:22]
Clay Travis
I mean, you'd be a breaststroke guy, right? I mean, that's what you go with, like.
- [43:27]
Dave Rutherford
Oh, certainly. I think that.
- [43:31]
Clay Travis
Of course, I walked into that one.
- [43:33]
Dave Rutherford
I mean, come on. I. I don't think. I don't even know what a proficient swimmer would be like. What does that mean? Because she's a college swimmer. Like, proficient swimmer meaning probably a better.
- [43:47]
Clay Travis
Swimmer than she guesses you are.
- [43:50]
Dave Rutherford
She was trying to be nice.
- [43:52]
Clay Travis
Yeah.
- [43:52]
Dave Rutherford
I think I'm. I think I would make it because I think I have the indomitable will of a swim champion, but I do not have the skills of an elite swim champion. But I think I would just refuse to stop. I think I would just keep going and eventually I would find the land. Now, my one concern here, in addition to the sharks and the drowning, is the current. Are. Are you getting constantly pushed back in order and just kind of floundering and not making any progress? That would be my concern. Is like, that it's really hard to cut through the current.
- [44:26]
Allie
Love your confidence, Clay.
- [44:28]
Clay Travis
Well, I. I was gonna say, I just. You know, Clay, you. I'll make sure that when we do this annual Clay Alcatraz swim, I'll be back at the San Francisco hotel in the hot tub, you know, and I'll be checking my phone for updates on.
- [44:40]
Dave Rutherford
You'll be like Sean Connery, if you remember, went to the. I think the fountain Blue, whatever. The fanciest hotel was in San Francisco. That's where he made him take him when they bailed him out of jail.
- [44:51]
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- [45:21]
Buck Sexton
In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran Contra Affair.
- [45:33]
Leon Neyfakh
The things that happened were so bizarre and insane I can't begin to tell you.
- [45:38]
Clay Travis
Please do.
- [45:42]
Buck Sexton
To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [45:51]
Podcast Host
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