Hour 1 - Vanity Unfair

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 - Vanity Unfair
Date: December 17, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dig into headline political and cultural controversies with their signature blend of humor and analysis. The lead focus is the controversy surrounding White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles’ ill-advised profile in Vanity Fair—dubbed a “colossal miscalculation”—and the broader lessons for conservatives dealing with legacy media. The hosts also discuss the ongoing investigation into the Brown University shooting, raising sharp questions about the state of campus safety and transparency. Interwoven are banter, some witty linguistic quarrels, and sharp commentary on the state of conservative representation in culture and media, as well as a discussion about generational grievances regarding DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) policies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Susie Wiles Vanity Fair Profile: A Conservative Media Misstep

• Clay opens the show criticizing Susie Wiles’ decision to participate in a Vanity Fair interview, branding it her “biggest misstep since she became chief of staff” (03:05).
• Point of Critique: Clay argues legacy media—especially elite outlets like Vanity Fair—are structurally opposed to conservatives, warning Republican staffers against giving them interviews that allow selective editing (05:20).
  • Quote: “If you are giving your time and effort and quotes to legacy media institutions, the absolute least that they could do is share every single thing that you said on the record and let people go watch or listen to that.” — Clay Travis ([05:23])
• Buck agrees but downplays the impact, calling it a “blunder” but ultimately “a tempest in a teapot”—suggesting the administration’s unity and political momentum won't be derailed (06:14).
  • Quote: “There’s nothing that–no one’s going to get fired over this. It’s not going to change...” — Buck Sexton ([06:14])
• Theme of Vanity and Hubris: Buck invokes Game of Thrones to argue that “hubris is the ultimate sin,” suggesting conservatives sometimes seek “a pat on the head” from prestigious left-leaning institutions (06:30).
  • Quote: “It’s like we want a pat on the head so badly from somebody who’s cool and famous that we’ll just do anything for it.” — Buck Sexton ([07:37])
• Clay’s Take on Conservative Overconfidence: He notes the Trump administration has demoralized the opposition, but warns the razor-thin margins of past elections mean conservatives can’t be complacent (09:18).
  • Quote: “They’re about to get back in the ring. So I think this is a little bit of a media haymaker that the Trump administration caught on the jaw.” — Buck Sexton ([09:18])
• News Nuggets from the Profile:
  • Marco Rubio will not run against J.D. Vance in 2027, making Vance the GOP favorite ([10:29]).
  • Susie Wiles’ critique of Pam Bondi’s handling of the Epstein case:
    • “She completely whiffed... There is no client list and it sure as hell wasn’t on her desk.” — (quoting Wiles via Clay Travis, [11:44])

2. Linguistic Banter: “Patina” vs “Patna”

• A lighter moment breaks out as Clay and Buck debate the pronunciation of “patina.”
  • Clay: “I thought it was pronounced ‘patna’.”
  • Buck: “I think it’s patina. Am I wrong?” ([11:41]-[11:47])
  • Producer Greg’s “elite research” (and a British connection) reveals both pronunciations are accepted ([14:36]-[15:18]).
  • Memorable Quote: “I’m sorry for just having a little class and a little je ne sais quoi.” — Clay Travis ([20:12])

3. Would Clay and Buck Ever Sit for Vanity Fair?

• Hypothetical Media Strategy:
  • Buck asks if they would agree to a Vanity Fair profile; Clay says only if the full interview was recorded and publishable for context ([21:00]).
    • “I would insist that every interview be completely recorded and that I have the ability to post a transcript…” — Clay Travis ([21:00])
• Strategic Take: Clay notes that being attacked by leftist legacy media can build credibility with their base ([21:00]-[22:22]).

4. Brown University Shooter: Campus Safety & Transparency Crisis

• Story Recap: The ongoing manhunt after a fatal campus shooting at Brown University leaves Clay and Buck baffled by university and police actions ([25:02]-[26:22]).
• Authorities’ Statements: Rhode Island Attorney General emphasizes there’s “zero information” on motive, tells press not to assume political or ethnic motives ([26:22]).
  • Clay and Buck express skepticism about transparency and the adequacy of the information released ([27:03]-[27:29]).
  • Quote: “I don’t believe him. I’m just gonna say this right now. ...It doesn’t pass the smell test for me.” — Buck Sexton ([27:06])
• Campus Infrastructure Critique:
  • University’s lack of modern security footage in older buildings is called “a colossal failure.”
    • “A multi-billion dollar university could find a way to put cameras in an old building…” — Reporter (paraphrased by Clay, [29:40])
• Political Motive Suspicion:
  • Clay highlights that one victim was the vice president of College Republicans, and group’s president suggests the shooting was political ([32:17]-[32:40]).
  • Buck notes that Brown may be less than fully cooperative due to concern over PR/image if political motive were revealed ([30:48], [33:25]).
  • Buck draws a contrast with treatment of conservative students versus protected groups on campus ([34:20]).

5. Commentary on DEI Policies: The “Lost Generation”

• Buck introduces a recent Compact Magazine article about the adverse effect of DEI policies on Gen X/Millennial white men ([39:15]-[41:10]).
  • “What they did to a whole generation of white Americans who are men is wrong. It was unconstitutional... It was racist and it was immoral.” — Buck Sexton ([40:12])
• Clay describes generational unfairness in professional and academic environments, noting generational resentment at being blamed for past discrimination ([41:10]-[41:46]).
  • “You’re yelling at us in this generation who have had none of the benefits... and then you’re hectoring us as if we have this incredible white privilege.” — Clay Travis ([41:41])
• Both reflect on how public and private sector employment, as well as Hollywood and academia, systematically limited white male opportunities ([42:19]-[43:35]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On conservative vanity and legacy media:
  • “It’s like we want a pat on the head so badly from somebody who’s cool and famous that we’ll just do anything for it.”
    — Buck Sexton ([07:37])
• On Susie Wiles’ media blunder:
  • “You can’t talk all day and allow them to cherry pick quotes. So I can’t believe that she would fall for this.”
    — Clay Travis ([05:23])
• Linguistic rivalry:
  • “I thought it was pronounced ‘patna’.” — Clay; “I think it’s ‘patina’. Am I wrong?” — Buck. ([11:41]-[11:47])
• On DEI and generational impact:
  • “What they did to a whole generation of white Americans who are men is wrong… It was racist and it was immoral.”
    — Buck Sexton ([40:12])
• On campus violence and transparency:
  • “What are we doing that there could not be ample evidence of all of this that would lead to an immediate arrest?”
    — Clay Travis ([34:20])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:22] — Clay opens, teases the Susie Wiles/Vanity Fair topic
• [05:20] — Clay’s warning about conservatives engaging with legacy media
• [06:14] — Buck’s “tempest in a teapot” take
• [07:37] — Hubris, conservative craving for “cool” validation
• [09:18] — Electoral reality check, media haymaker analogy
• [10:29] — Rubio/J.D. Vance 2027 prediction, Bondi criticism
• [11:41] — “Patina” pronunciation debate and producer research
• [14:36] — Merriam-Webster confirms both pronunciations
• [21:00] — Media interview strategy: recording requirements
• [25:02-29:40] — Brown University shooter investigation: frustration and university criticism
• [32:17] — College Republican leadership claims political motive in shooting
• [39:15] — DEI policies and the “lost generation” argument

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Tone and Style

• Warm, irreverent, and combative—especially toward legacy/“regime” media
• Frequent asides, banter, in-jokes (especially about pronunciation and producer skills)
• Tangible sense of grievance and crusading humor around conservative marginalization in media
• Underlying thread of warning: don’t get complacent and always control the narrative when engaging with adversarial press

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For Listeners

If you missed the episode, you'll come away understanding the show’s skepticism of legacy media, the ongoing struggles conservatives face in elite circles, concerns about campus safety and political bias, and the hosts’ view of generational DEI unfairness. Plus, you'll get a dose of Clay and Buck’s humor—whether about pronunciation quirks or the travails of being “unfashionable” in the eyes of the media elite.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in Wednesday Edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck's final show of the year he's like a kid getting out for Christmas. Sprint through the. The close here. I'll be with you guys on Thursday and Friday, and then it is officially into the holiday season. We will have a lot of great guest hosts, as we always do. We will get into some of that down the line, but a bunch of different stories that are out there. Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, did a Vanity Fair interview that is just a colossal mission stake in terms of intent delivery, everything. We're gonna dive into some of it. We've got the Brown University shooter. I know, Buck, that you talked about this quite a bit yesterday, but the more this continues, the stranger and stranger the entire story appears to me, and we've got a lot of other different stories to run into. But let's start with this Susie Wiles Vanity Fair piece. And, and I'll give you a couple of takes, Buck, and you tell me if you sign on if you disagree. I think this is Susie Wiles biggest misstep since she became chief of staff in one year. Now, I do think probably on a positive side, the overall fact that virtually no one has lost his or her job in year one of Trump 2.0 is not discussed enough, but is almost 100% a function, buck. I think of the lesson Trump learned in his first term, which is whenever somebody has some sort of controversy that emerges about them and you decide to fire them, you're not going to quell the criticism that comes from the legacy media outlets. You're just going to get put more blood in the water. They're going to come after somebody new. We have talked about this a ton on the show. Pete Hegseth is probably the most attacked member of the administration by far in year one. In second place, I would say probably RFK Jr and then I would put Pam Bondi probably in there at third place. And then other members of the administration have been attacked, but much less significantly. And so the fact that she decided to do this interview that they all set for these elite Vanity Fair photo ops and they expected that it would be in some way a fair reflection of the conversations that took place is just a colossal miscalculation. And what I would say about this in, in general, Buck, is, um, what are you thinking? You should never, ever, ever. There are a lot of Republicans, senators and congressmen and their staffs who listen to this. I don't understand how many people get bit by this. If you are giving your time and effort and quotes to legacy media institutions, the absolute least that they could do is is share every single thing that you said on the record and let people go watch or listen to that. I think if you're doing anything other than live interviews, anything other than full form podcast interviews, you're totally misunderstanding the power dynamic at play here. You can't talk all day and allow them to cherry pick quotes. So I can't believe that she would fall for this. I read it yesterday and I just, my jaw dropped over the fact that she had given this writer this much control and power.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean, it's a blunder, but it's going to pass. It doesn't really matter. There's nothing that no one's going to get fired over this. It's not going to change.

[Clay Travis]

But I do think it's instructive in that we keep making the same blunders. Shouldn't that be addressed?

[Buck Sexton]

So my theory about the show Game of Thrones, which I think does very much descend into nihilism and maybe well and well in the final seasons, it just collapses into nonsense. But I think overall the show doesn't really have much, as much as I enjoyed it, doesn't really have a heart and soul. Although the takeaway I have from it is that hubris is the, is the ultimate sin or vanity is the ultimate sin. If you look at all the characters that have really bad things happen to them that you, that you're rooting for, hubris is what brings them down. And I think one of the challenges that conservatives have in general, and this isn't unique to this instance, we see this with whenever some, you know, third tier celebrity says anything conservative and conservatives go, oh my gosh, did you see this guy who was playing the, you know, number four lead in a sitcom from the 80s? Now there are some conservatives who are from Academy, I mean, from, you know, entertainment. I mean, like James woods is a brilliant guy and a great commentator and a very accomplished actor.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm fine with that. But I mean, when people go after some one thing that a person said, it's like we want a pat on the head so badly from somebody who's cool and famous that will just do anything for it. There was a bit of this also when in the early days when people were so excited about Kanye and his relationship and Kim Kardashian and his, her relationship with Trump. I was like, guys, slow your roll with this a little bit. Vanity Fair is a prestige, a prestige journal. I think it's communist propaganda and it's written by the enemy. But it's something that people see when they go into a fancy, you know, doctor's office out on the table, or they go into a fancy law office or something. And I think it's very hard right now for a White House that is racking up so many wins to think that anybody could really puncture their. Their balloon of greatness right now. So I think there was a bit of. I think there was a bit of hubris in thinking that they could maneuver around this and not get got. But I also think that this is a tempest in a teapot. Who really cares? Everyone's going to keep working together. Everyone knows that this was a hit job. So what's. What really? What difference does it make?

[Clay Travis]

My concern is. It's just. I mean, it's a judgment error. And to your point, I don't even know anybody who reads Vanity Fair. So I guess it would be nice if Vanity Fair wrote an incredible profile about me. I don't think anybody would see it, like, if, you know, like, I just. I don't think most of the people that have any idea I exist even have opened a Vanity Fair magazine. So I'm wondering. Yeah, my. My big issue.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just give you. I actually think there's something important from this, too, though. I mean, hubris might be the thing that I view how they fell into this a little bit, which I understand, because the Trump administration has just completely shellacked its opponents for the last year. I mean, ever since the election, it's just they've been on defense, defense, defense. The opponents of Trump and the. And this administration. But I think this is a good reminder, Clay, because I've been saying all along, Kamala lost by 250,000 votes over a handful of states, basically, in a country of 350 million people, give or take, that is a razor thin actual margin. I know the electoral college win was big, and it was an incredible story with Trump. We've celebrated that all along. My point is merely. There's still a lot of people that would have voted for Kamala, and there are a lot of people who are going to vote for the next Democrat. And the midterms are coming up, and the opposition is every bit as dedicated. Yeah, they've been beaten a few rounds, Clay, but they're about to get back in the ring. So I think that this is a little bit of a media haymaker that the Trump administration caught on the jaw. And it's probably a good reminder as we go into this midterm year. Yeah. The other side, they're still gunning for us.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. No, I think that's 100% right. I will say there were two bits of news that I thought were interesting from the Vanity Fair piece. First of all, again, let me just say it's a colossal miscalculation that you would spend this much time with a writer. When his opening paragraph, Buck says nine people died in the Jan.6 terror attack. Basically nine people. I mean, that's a complete and total lie. I do think the fact that they reiterated yet again that Marco Rubio is not going to run against J.D. vance and that he will support J.D. vance if he runs. J.D. vance is going to enter 2027 after the midterms as, I think the biggest favorite for a nomination on the Republican side since. Go back in time with me, Buck. George H. W. Bush after Ronald Reagan. Would, would that be the. I mean, it will have been. Now, I'm not saying that he's 100% going to be the nominee, but if Marco Rubio is not going to run against him in 2027, there is going to be a Patna of expectation surrounding JD Vance the likes of.

[Buck Sexton]

Did you just say patina?

[Clay Travis]

I thought it was pronounced Patna.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's patina. Am I wrong?

[Clay Travis]

Someone check penumbra. There'll be a penumbra of expectation. I think I pronounced that one right. That is completely surrounding J.D. vance. That he's going to be an aura of expectation that he's going to be the nominee. And then the second part, when we have our, our fact check there on my pronunciation also, this I thought was kind of interesting. Susie Wiles absolutely hammered Pam Bondi on the Epstein thing. Quote, I think she completely whiffed on appreciating. That was the very targeted group that cared about this. First she gave them binders full of nothingness and then she said the witness list or the client list was on her desk. There is no client list and it sure as hell wasn't on her desk. I mean, for the Chief of Staff to just, I mean, she's right and all that, but for the Chief of Staff to pull out a two by four and just whack the Attorney General on that. I presume Susie Wiles said all that face to face with Pam Bondi at some point in time too. But I did think that was a pretty significant. I, I kind of read that and I was like, who? That was a pretty significant two by four.

[Buck Sexton]

But you have to also remember it is widely believed Susie and Bondi have a close relationship stretching back to Florida. It is widely believed that the reason Pam Bondi did not get fired over that is Susie Wiles. So she threw herself in front of Trump's very understandable rage at that situation because it was totally unforced error. But, you know, again, Clay, yes, people are talking about it, so we have to talk about it for a second. But I feel like we cover it by just saying, or rather it is covered the topic. We've gotten what we want out of it by reminding the administration that regime media, I know that seems weird because Trump is the administration, but I mean, the forever regime, you know, the Democrat apparatus, media, or will do everything they can to destroy Trump. They have learned no lessons. They are no more ethical, they are no more honest. And they really, really want to impeach him again, make sure the Democrats have the House in order to do so. And they want to push all of them. There's nothing about what Biden did. The problem that they have with Biden is merely that the border was so bad and he was so inept and then so clearly had dementia that he cost them power. But Clay, all the policies that were being written in Biden's name for him, they want to pursue all that stuff again. They want to go right. Vanity Fair wants to go right back to the White House putting out statements about how 12 year olds need gender reassignment surgery. Like they want that. So they've changed nothing.

[Clay Travis]

I hope they have learned not to do this again. But the fact that they had to learn this lesson again is tough. By the way, big win for me in the opener of the show. My pronunciation according to Merriam Webster dictionary is acceptable, as both pronunciations are acceptable. That is according to producer Greg's research, which I've always said producer Greg is an elite research talent.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you go, you Google it and it says P T. Nuh. So that's. That is the American pronunciation. Pronunciation. I've, I've never heard it pronounced a different way. But then I've learned something. I've learned something new. But Clay, I, I feel like we could take a draw on that one. So you can go both ways.

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[Buck Sexton]

Whether you're lighting a candle on the menorah or placing baby Jesus in the nativity, we hope your holiday is full of grace, wonder and love.

[Clay Travis]

And maybe even a little snow. Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah from all of us at the Clay and Buck Show.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we have a lot of stories that are. All right, Producer Greg, Settle down, settle down.

[Clay Travis]

All right.

[Buck Sexton]

He's really, you know, the thing is.

[Clay Travis]

He'S got my back on this. He must sound like me.

[Buck Sexton]

You mess with producer Greg's on the fly research skills and, you know, you might as well insult his puppy or something. I mean, he is, he is throwing down over this one. All right. It's very clear that there, that the most common, ok, the most common pronunciation in English is patina, but there is an alternative pronunciation which is British English. Mr. Clay Travis of London. Patina. Okay. That's from. So it's cool. If you lived in the uk, I would say that makes sense. Maybe you'd go to the theater with your partner. But yes, it is technically both allowed in, in English. And there you go. So I was hoping we were going to get the word police to pull you over just one last, one last time, write you a word pronunciation ticket at the very end. And yeah, producer Ali's dad is British. That's how he says it. But something, something different.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry for just having a little class and just a little bit of je ne sais quoi. As I was gonna say, I like.

[Buck Sexton]

How the guy, the born and raised Tennessee guy, throw English into the mix here it's, there you go.

[Clay Travis]

I, maybe I'm gonna have to get a vat in the Vanity Fair subscription. I'm gonna be going to be reading about all the high class people that I didn't even know existed.

[Buck Sexton]

And can I actually ask you this legitimately? If Vanity Fair said I want to do a profile on, let's just say Clay and Buck show, I want to do both. Sit down with both of us. Would you be willing to do it on the precondition that we have a recording of all the questions or would you just do it and think that we could negotiate around what they would ask us Knowing that, I mean, look, the photo they picked at Caroline Levitt, I mean, that's just, they're just, it's.

[Clay Travis]

Just, especially if you compare it to the photo.

[Buck Sexton]

This is a very good looking young woman and to pick that photo of her, it's like they found a, you know, a large pore somewhere in her face and went to like microscopic size on it. It's crazy.

[Clay Travis]

Look, I, I think the only way, it's a good question. The only way you can do an interview with somebody. So yes, I would say yes on Vanity Fair. And you say, well, you just criticize the White House for doing it. I would insist that every interview be completely recorded and that I have the ability to post a transcript of the entire thing. And then when they selectively edited my quotes to make it sound like we had said and you had said, and certainly they would, I had said crazy things that are unacceptable. I would say, actually here's the full quotes. And everybody would read them and they would say, yeah, that sounds like something Clay Travis would say. That sounds like something Buck Sexton would say also. I would do it because oftentimes there is an advantage in being attacked by legacy left wing media because it just reinforces the criticisms that we have for them. So worst case scenario, they write awful things about us. What do I care about best case scenario? Maybe they actually managed to do a somewhat fair piece and it just increases the number of people that might decide, hey, maybe I should listen to those guys on the radio.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

It, but I do actually haven't ever watched it. I like the clips that I've seen. I need to watch Laura, like the.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I wanted to play this because I tried to be in the holiday spirit but the reality is everybody in New York City's in trouble. Well, actually we'll get to that in a sec. But this is Landman. You referenced it so we don't forget. This is the Landman taking a shot at the View. One of the things I may do once football season is over is dive into Landman season one, which I heard was very good. But I think they're on season two and I believe it is bad and has not been very entertained. That's what I've heard from from others. But here is the View shot from Landman. It sounds a little bit like maybe we got some Clay and Buck listeners in the writing staff of the Landman show. Listen.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't know what to do. Whatever you want to read a book, watch tv, daytime talk shows, you know, like to be here sometimes. What's the View? Bunch of pissed off millionaires bitching about how much they hate millionaires and Trump and man and you and me and everybody else they got to be up their ass about. It's pretty funny. Don't sound funny. Well, it ain't joke funny.

[Clay Travis]

It's like a fart in church funny. You know what I mean? That don't sound funny either.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it depends on your proximity to the fart.

[Clay Travis]

All right, so that is lame. A little bit hard to hear that audio. But mocking the ladies on the View for being millionaires upset with other millionaires billionaires are doing. And we will continue to to follow that. There's a press conference going on right now in I'm looking right now an update. Buck, I know you talked about this a lot yesterday and we talked about it some. On Monday they are having an updated press conference. Sorry, that's the press conference yesterday that they're reacting to on the on Fox News. I. I watched all. I read all the coverage and everything else. The f. Are you as befuddled as I am that we could be in a situation where it appears they have no idea how to catch this guy who was the shooter? And even the imagery that they potentially have of the shooter. I know we've got some audio from that press conference. Let me hit a. A little bit of that and. And pull it up here. This was trying to explain what's going on. They say they don't have a motive. Cut three.

[Rhode Island Attorney General]

There is no information that the investigative team has about motive. Zero. Zero. There's nothing about. Even if. Even if taking at face value what one or two witnesses may have said about what something was said. Okay. And there are many witnesses that say nothing was said. There's nothing about what we know was perhaps said that indicates any kind of motive that is related at all to ethnicity or political outlook or culture. There's nothing at all that we know right now about that. And I think that that is a dangerous road to go down, particularly in today's environment.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. Yeah, just.

[Buck Sexton]

Dangerous road to go down. Just tell us the facts, man. By the way, I don't believe him. I'm just gonna say this right now. I noticed he started parsing there. Anything that's relevant or whatever. Really, what's going on here? Explain to me why there are all these people that say that they have heard, that someone heard, and yet now we're told nothing. I'm sorry, it doesn't pass the smell test for me.

[Clay Travis]

And then she says, let me. This is the Rhode Island Attorney General saying, and this is a question that a ton of you have been asking. Why wasn't there any footage? I know they keep showing additional footage of this person. It appears to be a 5 foot 8 male figure, a little bit overweight potentially. It's hard to tell because of jackets and it's cold. Wearing a mask, you don't see a ton. But here is cut four saying, why wasn't there better footage? They're asking crazily, Buck people who might have had Teslas parked in the area. Hey, can you guys check all of your cameras on your car and see if you might have better footage here? They're asking for people in the neighborhood who might have cameras to be able to help out here was cut four, trying to explain why there isn't better footage of this shooter.

[Rhode Island Attorney General]

There was a major addition put on that building within the last five years or so. That. That is a modern building attached to a much older Older one in the back. So it doesn't come as a surprise to me at least that there are cameras in the newer part of the building and there is video footage. Okay, so there's the back part of the building, old part and front part, new part. The shooting occurs in the old part, towards the back, up towards Hope street in that older part of the building. There are fewer if any cameras in that location, I imagine because it's an older building. So as students are fleeing the area of the shooting into the new part of the building, there are cameras in that, in that brand new building that show that chaos. But the only, but the only, the only video of the, of the presumed, anticipated, suspected. However you want to define a person of interest, you have it. We would release it if we thought it would be helpful in identifying this subject because we are relying on the press and public to help get us there. There would be no reason for us to hold it back. We're looking for the best image we can.

[Clay Travis]

Dan, got a follow up. Thank you for explaining that because it really clarifies it.

[Buck Sexton]

Although I'm sure some people watching would.

[Clay Travis]

Think a multimillion dollar school with a huge endowment could afford new cameras in an old building. I mean, I love that reporter following up. If you didn't have you had trouble hearing him? He said, I think a lot of people out there would say a multi billion dollar university could find a way to put cameras in an old building, even if it's an old building. What is your reaction? You've done investigations on, on cases, you know, involving shootings like this before. Does this strike you as, as crazy as it does me that we could have such limited information? They also are scrubbing, evidently pages on the Internet, because Internet sleuths, let me just say this, they're not always right in trying to identify suspects. So that could be part of this, that they're. People are trying to figure out, looking at faculty profiles, looking at student profiles, who's 5 foot 8, who could have been in that area. It's staggering to me that we could be sitting here, you know, five days basically after the shooting and have no idea who did it. And every day I think, Buck, it probably would become less likely that we would figure out who did this.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yes, that's all true. And I have also heard from people who are following the investigation very closely that law enforcement feels like Brown University is being less than helpful in some ways, that the university is clearly very concerned about the messaging that comes out of this whole thing or the takeaway if you will. Because, look, we all understand, right? If this is. Let's just say, let's just lay this out. If this was a. And I do not believe this is the case at all, to be clear. But I'm just trying to explain why Brown is. According to people I know who are talking to sources in law enforcement in Rhode Island. This was just last night, I was talking to them, that Brown is seeming like it doesn't really want to just open up everything that it can and be as helpful as possible. If the young woman, for example, who was killed here had been in a former girlfriend of the shooter, you would have a, you know, a situation where it's a clearly a personal vendetta that has no broader thematic anything other than a horrible murder of a beautiful young woman. Okay. If this guy targeted a Republican on the campus, and again, we don't know that, But Brown is 80%, 90%, 95%, maybe Democrat.

[Clay Travis]

The vice president of the Republican college campus was murdered. She's one of the two people. And the president has come out and said that he thinks it's connected to her politics because she was well known on campus for having conservative politics. Right.

[Buck Sexton]

You're President Trump.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, no.

[Buck Sexton]

The president Brown president.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry, the president of the Brown Republican.

[Buck Sexton]

There we go.

[Clay Travis]

Okay. It's a lot of presidents. She was the. She was the vice president. He was the president. He has come out and said, the college kid who's the president, I think she was targeted based on her politics.

[Buck Sexton]

So, you know, I was a. I was a college Republican. Clay, you were a college libertine. So I remember what it was like. You. You were doing. KEG stands for freedom. I remember what it was like on campus. I was known. Everyone knew that I was a Republican.

[Clay Travis]

Because there was so few people where you went.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, it was like a little tribe. It was a little. A little group of us that wore, you know, Sperry Topsiders and blue blazers a lot. And, you know, we walked around, tried not to get wedgies. And yes, we. We were the college Republicans. Everybody knew.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

So everyone would have known, or largely would have known that this young woman was a college Republican if, in fact it was political. And as you said, the head of their college Republicans thinks it was. That causes a whole issue for Brown because it also raises the. Why is it that the standards for what you can say about Christians and Republicans on a campus are you can basically, you know, chase them off, threaten them, do anything you want, but if you were to say anything about, like, a trans Student. The university comes down and you look a ton of bricks. It's obvious. And we went through this also with, with Jews and Muslims on campus in places like Columbia University in New York. Brown is concerned about. This is my point here. Brown University is like, oh, this could be a real issue for us in a PR sense beyond the horrible double murder that took place here.

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And I just, again, and I think a lot of you are with me on this, it is an, a colossal failure that this could be allowed to occur. If you're a parent of a child on a college campus, a school shooting is something that you would worry about. I mean, I think in the back of their mind, people constantly worry about bad things happening to their kids at elementary school or all the way up into, into college. What are we doing that there could not be ample evidence of all of this that would lead to an immediate arrest. It's hard to stop somebody from being crazy. But what motivated this guy? Why does it seem like they're trying to fight so hard from putting that motivation out there? And how is it that we're reduced to the point of begging people who might have Tesla vehicles in the area to potentially share videos when. I guarantee you, if you looked at the budget that Brown University puts into campus security and safety, it would boggle your mind how much they spend on this. There's certainly, what do we say, Room and board plus tuition. The budget average price now is $95,000 a year. If you can't make your kids safe enough to at least get the shooter of someone on a campus arrested, what in the world are we doing? We'll talk about that. We'll take some of your calls, by the way. 800-282-2882. In the meantime, price picks available in 40 plus states including California, Texas, Florida and Georgia. You can download the Prize Picks app today. Use my name Clay as the code. Get $50 instantly in lineups when you play. $5. That's code clay prize picks. You can play along in Georgia, you can play in Texas, you can play in Florida. You can play in California. You can get hooked up wherever you are out there. $50 lineup code clay on prize picks for $50 instantly in lineups when you play. $5 win or lose. 50 bucks just for playing. I'll give you a pick tomorrow. Prizepix.com Code Clay want to be in the know when you're on the go the Team 47 podcast. Drop highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Appreciate you being with us and we want to get to your calls, your talkbacks, all of that. It is my last show, live show of the year. Clay will be with you the rest of the week. I will be nursing my vocal cords until I have to record my book Manufacturing Delusion available for pre order. Please go pre order it now so you don't forget. And the copy arrives on the day of publishing which is February 17, which is going to be here so fast. Going to be here so fast. And we need, we need to sell some books, my friends. I need you guys all to get it publishing industry. Clay, I talked about this story a bit from the. The guy in, what was it? Tablet magazine. Do you know? I'm talking about where he wrote about our, like our generation. I'll include you to be inclusive. Our generation that was essentially blocked out from a lot of opportunities as part of the DEI mania. And how like boomers who talk about di. They have no idea.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

Because they complete. They had already gotten to the points in their career where it didn't matter. They weren't doing entry level hiring or even. It's really that second or third tier of your first promotion, your second promotion when like real things start getting going for you or real opportunities open up. Yeah, I'm sorry I said Tablet, Compact Magazine, Compact.com. i do remember that the Lost Generation. It is such a good piece and it's just so important because it really hones in on they. That what they did to people was wrong. What they did to a whole generation of white Americans who are men. White American men is wrong. It was, it was unconstitutional, which the Supreme Court has now very clearly weighed in on. It was racist and it was immoral and people need to speak about it that way. And this goes into chapter and verse. The reason that TV shows are so crappy is they were hiring bad writers.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no, I remember. So what was so interesting about this is we were being told people around our age, hey, we need to have more diversity, equity and inclusion. This is unacceptable. What's going on. And I remember looking around, for instance, in my law school class, there were more girls than guys in my law school class. And I remember being lectured because we go to on campus interviews and they would say, well these, these, you know, law firms have to hire way more women because it's Unacceptable. What's been going on? And I'm looking around like what.

[Buck Sexton]

We're actually.

[Clay Travis]

There are actually more girls in our class than there are boys. Like you're yelling at us in this generation who have had none of the benefits of by and large, a world in which was everything was slanted towards white people. And then you're, you're hectoring us as if we're have this incredible white privilege. And I think that's what a lot of young men have finally reacted to is this whole idea of male privilege, this whole idea of white male privilege. It's all a big bowl of BS.

[Buck Sexton]

And, well, it's actually the reverse though. It's even more like the discrimination. I don't like the term reverse discrimination because it's just discrimination. Discrimination against white males. And hiring was explicit.

[Clay Travis]

It was real.

[Buck Sexton]

And it really only affected one. This is the key, because a lot of boomers are like, it's not that bad. Sorry, boomers. It actually was that bad. And it affected people who are currently 30 to 50. Okay, if you're 30 to 50 right now, you got screwed over by these policies in a whole range of industries. Academia, clay. When I was the CIA, there were people with PhDs in the humanities that I worked with from, from the fanciest Ivy League schools. You know why they were at the CIA with me? They were white guys. They couldn't get jobs. You're. You're a white guy who speaks Arabic and you have a Middle Eastern studies degree, you know, and a PhD from Harvard or whatever. You can't get a teaching job anywhere.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, anywhere.

[Buck Sexton]

And it's because they explicitly said we're going to stop hiring white guys. Same with Hollywood. Same with, you know, a lot of this, by the way, in the lib media. You look at the way. Yeah. Jeff Zucker ran cnn. So many of the contributors, they were trying to bring in all the time. There's always women and minorities and the whole. It was such a focus on this anyway. I forget what even triggered me on this issue, but I got fired up.

[Clay Travis]

Well, it was the compact, the article which is, is circulating now. We'll put it up on Clay and Buck. You can go read it when we come back. By the way, your boy, Mom Donnie, I say your boy because New York City, somebody's got to stand up for New York City. He says that giving people no charges on buses will actually make things way safer. That is crazy. We've also got a 101 year old patriot that I think people will enjoy hearing from and we got a couple of guests coming everybody's way. Buck's final show of the year. Go buy his book. We'll be back with y' all next.

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