Hour 1 - Wait until April

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – Wait Until April
Date: December 30, 2025
Guest Host: Tudor Dixon
Featuring: Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick, Mahak (attorney and GOP strategist), Kyle Olson (Midwesterner News)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, guest-hosted by Tudor Dixon, dives deep into three central themes:

• The state of the U.S. economy under the Trump administration, with a focus on energy, manufacturing, and consumer confidence (featuring Howard Lutnick, Secretary of Commerce)
• Growing concerns about surveillance and policing technologies, like police drones and AI-driven facial recognition, and the rise of the "police state" (with co-host Kyle Olson)
• Allegations of widespread welfare fraud, particularly in Ohio and Minnesota, with discussions on assimilation, political corruption, and the role of citizen journalists (featuring attorney Mahak)

The episode maintains an urgent and critical tone while delivering conservative commentary and encouraging audience participation.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Economic Optimism and Policy Shifts

Guest: Howard Lutnick, Secretary of Commerce
[03:19 – 15:50]

Lower Energy Prices and Data Center Policy

• Tudor Dixon opens by celebrating lower gas and energy prices but questions ongoing low consumer confidence.
• Howard Lutnick:
  • Announces a new policy where data centers must “GIVE 10% of their power to the local grid to drive down the price of electricity” ([04:07]).
  • Frames data centers as potential assets for communities, not liabilities.

“Every one of these data centers, instead of becoming a bad thing for the community, becomes a party for the community. And that's the way we're gonna turn this hard...”
— Howard Lutnick [04:41]

Rebuking Legacy Democratic Energy Policy

• Lutnick asserts the U.S. must fully exploit its energy resources (gas, oil, and coal) and discredits the shift toward electric vehicles as a Chinese ploy.
• Criticizes Europe’s reliance on electric vehicles/batteries made elsewhere, calling it “so dumb” and credits “President Trump in the White House who understands it” ([06:13]).

Manufacturing, Competition, and Economic Growth

• Argument that bringing manufacturing home is “the beauty of capitalism,” ensuring competition and lower prices ([08:07]).
• President Trump’s “$18 trillion committed to build in America” to spur manufacturing and job growth.
• Projects extraordinary GDP growth: “Next year we cross five and we’ve got a good shot… to cross 6% GDP growth…” ([08:54])

Impact on Average Americans

• Higher growth means “more jobs, higher wages,” and enables major tax breaks: “no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security” — but reiterates, “people don’t feel that yet… it won’t hit their pocket until April.” ([09:19])
• Lutnick predicts that by April, listeners will see tangible checks from tax relief.

“You know when it hits your pocket? April.”
— Howard Lutnick [09:40]

Critiques of Federal Reserve & Education/Workforce Training

• Calls for replacing Fed Chair Jay Powell by May “to get interest rates where they should be,” blaming high rates for older first-time homebuyers (“the dream has been stolen from them”).
• Promotes skilled workforce training: “We’re going to do the greatest training program in the history of America… Jobs start at 75 grand, go up to 150 grand, 200 grand. And that does not require a marketing degree from some college.” ([11:58])

The Future of American Manufacturing and Big-Ticket Items

• Discusses return of manufacturing leading to lower car prices through competition and improved financing (deductibility).
• Hails a major Arizona semiconductor plant as the future of sophisticated American manufacturing jobs.

“I now make a buck and a quarter... I have the best job every day. I come to work and I love what I do because it’s the most complex, but it’s exactly what I want to do.”
— Lutnick, recounting a technician’s story [15:42]

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2. Police Drones and the Erosion of Personal Freedoms

Co-Host: Kyle Olson
[19:16 – 22:56]

Rise of Police Drones and AI Surveillance

• Dixon raises alarms about police drones in places like California and Cincinnati, capable of issuing tickets and enforcing regulations.
• Cites Beryl Lipton (Electronic Frontier Foundation): “There are so few restrictions on police drones when it comes to citizen privacy because the technology is so new.” ([20:19])
• Olson sees drones and speed/red light cameras as a slippery slope: laws don’t keep up with tech, expanding state power.

Public Manipulation via Fear

• Dixon relates drone policy to the fear tactics of COVID-era restrictions (“Wear a mask, stay six feet apart. It's only for 15 days.”), warning about normalization of surveillance.
• Expresses concern: “At a certain point, are we all monitored?...Are we all going to be watched…do we say we're not going to allow ourselves to be facial recognition AI police drones, weaponized drones out on the streets with our kids?” ([21:48])

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3. Welfare Fraud, Assimilation, and Political Accountability

Guest: Mahak (attorney and GOP strategist)
[23:02 – 33:16]

Uncovering Welfare Fraud in Ohio and Beyond

• Mahak explains how, after fraud was exposed in Minnesota, similar schemes are being found in Ohio’s large Somali community, primarily through home health care services ([23:53]).
• Home health care fraud: Individuals claim to care for relatives to receive $70,000–$90,000/year, regardless of actual need.
• Whistleblowers report fraud to officials but see no action; “the welfare system is not actually auditing…” ([25:02])

Systemic Failure and Media Denial

• Mahak: States “deny fraud after massive evidence of it,” and distrusts states to self-police. Calls for federal DOJ task force and forensic audits nationwide ([26:38]).
• Argues resources meant for “disabled kids with autism…people that need services” are being exploited by abusers.

“I’m tired of the word ‘racist,’ Tudor. Today it's about…I don't care what you look like...If you come to the United States, you better follow our rule of law. And if you don't, you need to leave.”
— Mahak [27:56]

Political Infiltration & Assimilation

• Mahak highlights elected officials, e.g., Ohio’s Ismail Muhammad, openly prioritizing Somalia over their U.S. districts: “...he is alleging that their main goal is to fight for Somalia, to help Somalian debt and to send money back.” ([30:12])
• Criticizes the asylum/refugee process that allowed “massive communities that never assimilated but turned out to game the system.”

Need for Audits; Political Fallout Predicted

• Recommends federal-state task force for audits. Warns that “any state who doesn’t audit…is hiding something.” ([28:18])
• Dixon and Mahak: Failure to audit and prosecute fraud could fuel a Democratic collapse as public frustration grows.

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4. Listener Responses: Outrage and Demand for Accountability

[39:32 – 42:42]

Call-In Highlights

• Cheryl (Wisconsin): "So disgusted" by the uncovered fraud, grateful for citizen journalist Nicholas Shirley, calls for President Trump to “get this guy on his team.” ([40:06])
• Jim (Florida): Demands states like Minnesota be penalized for the fraud, insisting, “I pay taxes in Florida for federal dollars to go to every state in this union, and I want that money back… for every citizen that plays the fair way.” ([41:26])

Hosts’ Takeaways

• Dixon and Olson agree public outrage is driving a demand for accountability.
• Olson underscores the stark contrast between "massive budgets" of legacy media and what a single citizen journalist can uncover ([40:52]).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Howard Lutnick on energy and capitalism:
  “But what we're going to do is we're going to require that these data centers…give 10% of their power to the local grid…So every one of these data centers…becomes a party for the community.” [04:07]
• On tax relief timing:
  “You know when it hits your pocket? April. So what you want to do is you want to have me on this radio show at the end of April when it's, everybody's happy because they finally got the checks in their pockets...” [09:40]
• On jobs and training:
  “We're going to do the greatest training program in the history of America…Jobs start at 75 grand, go up to 150 grand, 200 grand…does not require a marketing degree from some college.” [11:58]
• On citizen journalism:
  “But then you have a citizen journalist that goes up and just asks questions and exposes the truth.”
  — Kyle Olson [40:52]
• On welfare system exploitation:
  “I don't care what you look like. I don't care what you sound like. If you come to the United States, you better follow our rule of law. And if you don't, you need to leave.”
  — Mahak [27:56]
• On new surveillance tech:
  “There are so few restrictions on police drones when it comes to citizen privacy because the technology is so new.”
  — Quoting Beryl Lipton, EFF [20:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Economy & Energy (Howard Lutnick): [03:19 – 15:50]
• Police Drones & Surveillance (Kyle Olson): [19:16 – 22:56]
• Welfare Fraud & Assimilation (Mahak): [23:02 – 33:16]
• Listener Reactions / Citizen Journalism: [39:32 – 42:42]

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The episode harnesses a mix of detailed economic policy discussion, alarmed commentary about new technology and surveillance, and hard-edged critiques of political and bureaucratic failures—delivered with a direct, often confrontational, and activist tone. The hosts encourage listeners to get involved, stay vigilant, and hold leaders accountable, while celebrating the power of local journalism and grassroots outrage.

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Transcript

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Tudor Dixon]

Hello and welcome to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. The guys are off today, but you've got me. I'm Tudor Dixon from the Tudor Dixon Podcast and I'm coming to you live from the Wood Radio studios in Grand Rapids, Michigan. We have a big show for you today and we are starting with the US Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick. The secretary is here to talk about affordability and President Trump's economic agenda. Welcome, Secretary Lutnick.

[Howard Lutnick]

Great to be here with you.

[Tudor Dixon]

I'm so excited to have you because we have such good news. In the economy right now, we have lower prices on gas, energy, prescription drugs. The interest rate is lower. But I want to talk to you because we still see signs that consumer confidence is low. How do we stop that? How do we change that? What's happening there?

[Howard Lutnick]

Well, so you start with at least people have energy prices down. So gas prices are down. But what we going to focus on this year is getting the price of electricity and people's houses down. So people are worried about if they see a big data center being built in their neighborhood, they're thinking, holy cow, this data set is going to suck up all the energy in my price of my run in my house is going to go up. So what we're going to do is we're going to require that these data centers give the famous word, give G I V E 10% of their power to the local grid to drive down the price of electricity. So every one of these data centers, instead of becoming a bad thing for the community, becomes a party for the community. And that's the way we're going to turn this hard so that not only are gas prices down, but electricity, electricity prices down. So that's one example of the way we're thinking about this.

[Tudor Dixon]

Okay, I like that. But we are freaked out because of what the Democrats did with all of this energy. We have very little supply in states like Michigan, where I am they I mean, we had the Trump administration save the power plant that actually powers my neighborhood because they wanted to shut it down. How do we reverse all of these years of damage from this fake climate story they had.

[Howard Lutnick]

We have gas, possibly the most in the world, and we have oil. And you know what China's got? They've got only coal. They don't have gas and they don't have oil. So what they did is they, the Chinese created this narrative that, you know, let's be environmental because what they were doing is they were suckering us because we have gas and we have oil. So let's get us to start doing electric cars. Why? Because they make batteries and we do not. I mean, how stupid is that? How about my favorite is Europe? They currently think they need to go to all electric cars by 2030 and they don't even make a battery. They're going to make themselves subservient to the Chinese. So dumb. So thank God we've got President Trump in the White House who understands it and is quickly changing it. So that's why we are going all in on drill, baby, drill. We're going to get gas pipelines rolling again, right? We are building as fast as we can these gas turbines and we are going to open clean, beautiful coal by. These are the moves that are our assets. I mean, if we're the richest country in the world, right, why would we. It's like we're the fastest runner in the world, yet we're trying to run the race holding our right hand on our right ankle. I mean, it's just dopey, right? Like Biden closed, right? Alaska, where we have 635 million acres of oil, as much oil as Saudi Arabia. We have got to use our assets and the power and strength of America to drive down the cost of energy here, to make sure America stays the richest country in the world. And as I said, thank goodness you got Donald Trump in the White House who understands it, and you got people in this cabinet who really understand it and are going to drive this home. And you're going to see he does during his term. He thinks in terms of this term now.

[Tudor Dixon]

Okay, so let me ask you this. When I was in manufacturing and we were shipping castings, steel castings all across the United States of America, suddenly the cost of gas goes way up. And we put surcharges on our products and then we bring those surcharges down as the price of gas goes down and the product becomes less expensive. So I keep being told, doesn't matter what the price of gas is, the products, now that the retail have the products at a certain price, they're going to stay at that price. Why is it not that we're going to see as the cost of goods shipping across the country goes down in price, why can't we see those prices go down?

[Howard Lutnick]

It's, it's all about capitalism and competition. If there's no competition, the price is going to stay high and the guy's going to make more money, right? If we've got competition, someone will say, look, my costs are lower, I'm going to sell it lower. And that's, that's the beauty of capitalism, right? We've got to make it so that we bring manufacturing home, we bring competitive manufacturing home. Not only does it produce the jobs, right, and the, both the construction jobs and the operating jobs, but it brings more production here, which creates that competition, drive down those prices. And so when the President says he's got $18 trillion, 18 trillion committed to build in America, what you're going to see is you saw 4.3% this quarter, right? Next quarter is going to be a little weird because we had the shutdown. I don't know how that affects things, but you're going to see next year. I think I called it this year. I said you were going to cross four. I think next year we cross five and we've got a good shot. Following it across 6% GDP growth, that means we're going to be growing. The growth of the United States of America will equal or be bigger than virtually every other country in the world.

[Tudor Dixon]

What does that mean to the average person?

[Howard Lutnick]

Well, if you think about it from the average person, it means more jobs, higher wages. More jobs and higher wages. And it fixes the overall economy and it fixes our deficit so the President can bring down taxes. If you think about it, it's this kind of growth that allowed him to say no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security. These people don't feel that yet. They won't feel it. Truth until April, right? You're, you're working for tips and you're working for overtime. You know, it sounds good like you heard it on tv, but when does it hit my pocket? You know when it hits your pocket? April. So what you want to do is you want to be on, have me on this radio show at the end of April when it's, everybody's happy because they finally got the checks in their pockets, 1,000, $2,000 in their pocket, and they see how President Trump is delivering for them. So we've got to get electricity prices down. We've got to drive interest rates now because this, this housing crap with, you know, Jay Powell kept the interest rates too high. Why is the greatest economy in the world with the greatest, greatest credit in the world paying like the 30th highest interest rate in the world?

[Tudor Dixon]

I heard the President yesterday saying he doesn't know if he's made a decision on firing him yet or not.

[Howard Lutnick]

Well, he, he's deeply thinking about it because the guy, you know, did a disaster with building the buildings for $4 billion, which was like totally, you know, ripping off America, spending its $4 billion on some building where economists live. You got to be kidding me. But the answer is he has. No matter which way he plays it, by May, he's going to have a new chairman of the Fed. And that new chairman of the Fed's job is going to be to get the interest rates fairly where they should be. Why is everyone else in the world paying 2%? And we're paying for why and what? You know what that does? That's what Biden did. He took. When Donald Trump left office. First time home buyers their age was 33. Makes some sense now after Biden's ridiculous runaway inflation. It's 40 years old. Whoa, that's crazy. Imagine the first average first time homebuyer in America is 40. They're unhappy because what they feel is like the American dream has been stolen from them, right? They got ripped off when they went to college, right. They got charged again. They come out of college with $200,000 of student loans, right? And they don't get a rocking job when you graduate college. So, like, that dream is treated them unfairly. It didn't really train them to get the great jobs. And then because we took away like shop class and we took away the ability for real people to work with their hands, real people to have those great jobs. Donald Trump is bringing those great jobs back. And we are going to do the greatest training program in the history of America. Because, you know, automation and advanced manufacturing is coming to America. You know what that advanced manufacturing needs? It needs technicians, right? It needs people who understand how to fix high tech products. Jobs start at 75 grand, go up to 150 grand, 200 grand. And that does not require a marketing degree from some college.

[Tudor Dixon]

I mean, we're already there. And this is what, this is what I've told people. If you go to any machine shop in this country, you are going to see a environment that is clean, that is automated, that is a good work environment, great benefits, and you're going to be able to run your job from your cell phone, from a computer. These are not the jobs of the past that people think of, but how do we convince the American people of that? And as we're talking about this, and we're talking about bringing manufacturing back to the United States, and obviously that's my. Where my heart has always been. I think that there is an opportunity for those big ticket items to go down in price. You talk about capitalism, but I'm hearing the big three, I'm hearing automotive industry saying that bringing these, having these tariffs, bringing these companies back to the United States is actually going to allow us to get lower prices on our cars. Do you think that's going to happen?

[Howard Lutnick]

It's definitely going to happen. It's absolutely going to happen. Because now you've got, everybody's got to build here. And look at what happened to the big three automakers. When Donald Trump started this process, they were worried and afraid because what happened is we had exported our jobs. I mean, imagine treating Mexico and Canada like they're Alabama and Georgia. So you could just drive across the border, back and forth, back and forth. So of course the automakers, they went to Mexico. You could break the union and you can get cheap Mexican labor, right? And not the same jobs. It just, it was ridiculous how Clinton did that. It was crazy town. So Donald Trump fixes it, says, you got to build in America, right? They're going to be great job people in America, but more importantly, everybody's got to build in America. The competition is going to be insane and we're going to drive the price of cars down. That's the whole idea. Plus, if you want to buy a car and you want to finance the car, it's deductible. Because Donald Trump understands that that's a good way to make it cheaper for people to buy cars. So I think car prices are going to come down. But the most exciting thing, like I flew out to Arizona to this semiconductor plant, and we're going to have 500 to 700 billion dollars of semiconductor plants being built in America. There was a $20 billion factory, the sexiest looking factory you've ever seen in your life. 3,000 people working there. All technicians, right? All people working with their hands. And I, and I sat and interviewed these guys and sat with them and they said, I have the greatest job. And I said, what's your job? He goes, I'm officially a pipe fitter. He goes, but my job is Tetris. He goes, I do the most sophisticated pipe fitting in the history of the world. This is the most complex, most exciting job. I love my job. And that was the example, right? The guy and I said, how much do you make? He goes, I got hired at 75. I now make a buck and a quarter. Right? I have the best job every day. I come to work and I love what I do because it's the most complex, but it's exactly what I want to do.

[Tudor Dixon]

All right.

[Howard Lutnick]

The jobs that are coming, well, I.

[Tudor Dixon]

Hey, I hear it. I appreciate it. I see it here in the state of Michigan. I think people are seeing it all across the country and we are looking forward to a wonderful 2026 with this administration. The United States Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnick. Thank you so much for being on the show today. Great being here and thank you all. Stick around. We're going to be talking midterms with former Trump campaign and RNC political director James Blair. We'll be right back.

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome back to the Clay and Buck Show. I am Tudor Dixon and I'm guest hosting today. I have Kyle Olson with me from the Midwesterner. Read that at the Midwesterner News and I want to jump right into police drones. I don't know if you guys have heard about these police drones. They're out there in all over, actually, I saw it in the Wall Street Journal and I just kind of started like going down this rabbit hole of what exactly is a police drone? And apparently they're out in California, they're going to the beach, they have lights, they come up and talk to you, they fly over you and they tell you to get off the beach, but they can actually give you a ticket. So then as I'm like digging deeper into this, I'm finding out that these are in Cincinnati, they're in Louisiana. And I'm thinking this is the type of thing that Kyle would tell me to think deeper about, to be worried about.

[Kyle Olson]

Well, I think so, because it's it really gets to the police state. And we're seeing this across the country, whether it's these drones, which, you know, I would argue are violating private property rights because they're just crossing.

[Tudor Dixon]

But I so I want to say the crazy thing about this is because you say that there was this guy quoted, he's from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a foundation I've obviously never heard of, Beryl Lipton. And he says there are so few restrictions on police drones when it comes to citizen privacy because the technology is so new. So that to me is scary too.

[Kyle Olson]

Right? And we're seeing in a lot of these states, the technology is developing, but the laws are not keeping up with the technology. And we're seeing this also when it comes to speed cameras, red light cameras. You know, here, here in Michigan, we have, historically, we have not had red light cameras and speed cameras. But what the politicians will do is because they want to control our lives, they will say, well, we just, we want to have speed cameras, but we just want them to protect people. So we're only going to put them in construction zones, or we're only going to put them in school zones. But then, of course, that's how they start the law. And then it expands from there.

[Tudor Dixon]

Wear a mask, stay six feet apart. It's only for 15 days. I mean, they use fear to control you. We've seen this before with COVID That's exactly how they controlled what we were going to do. This to me is so much bigger because they're like, this is great. It's first responders. They're going out and they're making sure that if you, if you have a gunfight, suddenly there's a police drone there. They can get through the traffic faster, they can get to the fight faster. Well, wait a minute, what are they doing once they get there? Are they just monitoring? Are they just recording? And then at some point, are they going to be weaponized? I know that sounds insane, but we use drones for that kind of thing. So how do we know they're not going to be weaponized at some point? And then we get into AI and free crime and all of these things that freak me out. In the past, we talked to a group when I was running for office, we talked to a group that wanted to do this type of thing in schools where they're monitoring every face and then every face they don't recognize, they go, oh, that could be somebody that's going to plan a crime in the school. And they prey on the parents fear, like, oh, I don't want to shoot her in my school. So, yeah, I do want this. I want everybody monitored. But at a certain point, are we all monitored? Are we all going to be watched at a certain point, do we say we're not going to allow ourselves to be facial recognition AI police drones, weaponized drones out on the streets with our kids. We just got to be aware of this. We got to watch what's happening. Stay tuned. We're going to be back with Fraud in Ohio.

[Clay Travis]

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome back to the Clay and Buck show. I'm Tudor Dixon. I'm guest hoping hosting today and I'm coming to you live from the Wood Radio studios here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Our next guest has actually joined me on the Tudor Dixon Podcast in the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. And you've seen her all over tv. She is attorney and Republican strategist Mahakuk Mahak. Welcome to the program, Tutor.

[Mahak]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Tudor Dixon]

I am so excited because you are in Ohio most of the time I don't think you're in Ohio right now, but most of the time you're in Ohio. And right now social media is buzzing with these fraud videos. You've been talking about what's going on in Ohio. We're seeing it in Minnesota. I don't think people are as aware of what's going on around the country, but it's happening in Ohio, too. Tell us what you've seen there.

[Mahak]

So, Peter, you know, honestly, once the Minnesota fraud had been exposed, many people started coming to me and saying the same thing's happening in Ohio. And with very easy research, I was able to detect that we have the second largest Somalian population and they're concentrated in Columbus. There has been years of claims whether it was fraud through home health care services or daycare centers. And so several whistleblowers came to me and said that they had reported fraud and nothing has happened. And they provided me with evidences. And I looked into this and realized that there is alleged fraud with individuals claiming that they need home health services. So you could be somebody who decides to take your aging parent in in the state of Ohio and be a home health care provider. You can earn between, I would say, 70 to $90,000, depending on how many hours you qualify for and how many hours of, quote, care your parent needs. But most of these par getting the care. According to these providers, they don't qualify for home health because they don't have the medical condition that's necessary. And when the home health providers would push back on these unnamed sources, I can't disclose it, they would say, well, we're going to shop for a doctor that will rubber stamp my paperwork because we've had it before and we're going to get it again. And I think that this fraud is rampant. And when you have a welfare system that's not actually auditing, that's not making sure that people actually need the services that are really meant for Ohioans, that are disabled kids with autism, you fill in the blank on the people that need services. And it's Being taken by a minority of people that are abusing the system. While you get fraud and Minnesota was just the tip of the spear, you continue to see every state needs to audit their welfare program. I don't think it's being done today and it's clearly being exposed all over social media.

[Tudor Dixon]

There's so much to say here, too. Because the reason it doesn't always get audited is because there's this radical media, there's these radical electeds who are like, you can't say that people can't get this welfare. This is critical, but it's hurting, as you pointed out so importantly, it is hurting the people of Ohio. It is hurting the people of the United States who deserve these services. When I traveled around our state, it was amazing the number of people who said, we can't get the home health care money that we were expecting. And these are people who have loved ones who are quadriplegics, who can't take care of themselves. They have true medical conditions and they can't get it. But these folks in Ohio, in Minnesota, they're taking this money. Is this a state by state issue or is this something the federal government can get involved in?

[Mahak]

So I think we need a twofold approach. I think we need to audit America state by state. We need to work with the federal government. We need actual forensic auditors to come in because I don't trust the states to actually do their job. Look at what Minnesota is doing. They're actually denying fraud after massive evidence of it. We have 99 people that have been indicted through Pam Bondi and the doj. So I don't trust states. I think federal government needs to create another division, in my opinion and the doj. Plenty of attorneys have reached out to me personally to say we will do this for free to expose the fraud, we will do the legwork. We want to make sure that this money returns to taxpayers who need it. And you're right, it's heartbreaking. I can't tell you how many people have reached out and said, my mother needs care, she has cancer. My wife fill in the blank. And I've been able to provide them at least with good doctors and providers that will actually assess their parents and help them through the process. That's what we're supposed to be doing, not just handing it over to a group of people that were put on us in the 90s. Massive communities that never assimilated but turned out to game the system. And I'm tired of the word racist, Tudor. Today it's about I don't care what you look like. I don't care what you sound like. If you come to the United States, you better follow our rule of law. And if you don't, you need to leave. I think two words for people today. If you are committing fraud and you aren't a U.S. citizen or you're not a taxpayer, get out. That's what I want in this country. I want our money to return back to taxpayers who deserve it. So every state needs to work with the federal government. Any state who doesn't decide to audit that tells you everything you need to know that they are hiding something.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, I mean, think about it. When Governor Walz was running his failed vice presidential campaign, he was out there saying, we're leading. We're leading in home health care, we're leading in child care and the state funding child care. And now we find out billions of dollars went back to Somalia. It seems to be a lot of Somali communities. Why? Why so widespread? I mean, this isn't, it's very weird to me. It's Minnesota, it's Maine, it's Ohio. It's like not a climate that's similar to Somalia. What is happening here?

[Mahak]

Well, a lot of these individuals, again, we didn't process them one by one to see if they're going to add value to the United States of America. We allowed them to come in on asylum and refugee status and they came in in groups and then they figured out what states had a low bar for home health networks, daycares. And they've come in and drove. They haven't assimilated. And my biggest problem today is as they're committing fraud, as they're committing violations, we're not having state enforcement, we're not having auditing. And everybody claims that while you can't target one community, well, you certainly can. If it's happening in just one community, then you got to take this stuff seriously.

[Tudor Dixon]

I mean, not, not assimilating is like an understatement. You've got people who are elected officials who are openly in campaign videos talking about how they have to take care of their home country, our country, which they are referring to Somalia. Sometimes they catch themselves and say our former country, but they're still campaigning on sending money to Somalia, not on taking care of the community here. How is it possible that these people get elected with a message of we're sending money to another country where we're getting into the US Government to take care of Somalia?

[Mahak]

Ohio Representative Ismail Muhammad actually has a video and it is going now Viral. He is Somalian in Ohio, got elected, and he has a video saying that they have a group chat. Ilhan Omar is part of this. Many others. I haven't seen the chat. Clearly not Somalians. Don't know who else is a part of it. But he is alleging that their main goal is to fight for Somalia, to help Somalian debt and to send money back. And when you look at his district, most of the Somalians live there. I haven't gone through his FEC filings yet to see what type of election donations he gets. But I think common sense, without even looking would tell you that the majority of the Somalian community obviously voted for him if they were in the district and then they sent money to his campaign. I mean, we are being infiltrated by people who don't want to assimilate and who hate America like Ilhan Omar. And this is just now the national narrative that we're fighting in the Democrat Party. But we allowed it. I mean, both administrations have allowed for asylum claims of refugee. I practice immigration law. And I can tell you when you continue to just let people say the word asylum without investigation, that's when fraud starts. That's when we started welfare system. That's not actually taking care of American taxpayers.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, we also allowed this sympathetic attitude toward people who openly said that they were here because they hate America and they want to take it over. And that's something that is is we've heard from Ilhan Omar. And in fact, that video that you're talking about, I'm pretty sure that the guy you're talking about in the video, the elected official in Ohio, refers to to Congresswoman Omar as their representative at the federal level, like the Somalian representative at the federal level.

[Mahak]

100% right. And to come to this country to represent us and then to turn our back, turn your backs on American taxpayers and say we're here to represent Somalia. I mean, again, this is the infiltration of a community that does not want to work for the best interest of American taxpayers. And I think voters are waking up today. And part of it is because we were drowning under Joe Biden's inflation, inability to afford gas, groceries, baby formula, milk, you name it. And so many people, at least in Ohio that are reaching out to me are saying we can barely afford a lot of the things through the previous administration. Thank God for President Trump. But how is it that Somalians are getting our tax dollars and I can't take care of my aging parents? So I think the hypocris is what's Going to tank the Democrats. We have to be smarter. We have to be stronger as a voting base. But I also think, Tudor, it all comes down to if elected officials will not do these audits, we're not going to need to get the Trump administration involved in every single state. Elon did it on a federal level. So ask for it on a state level. Ask for the federal partnership. I know that this president is transparent and willing to fight. We have a national debt that is in the trillions of dollars. This is the only way to fight it. That weed out illegal fraud, waste and abuse.

[Tudor Dixon]

Absolutely. Thank you so much for sharing and thank you for fighting every day. Attorney and Republican strategist based in Ohio. Mahak, thank you for being here.

[Mahak]

Thanks so much.

[Tudor Dixon]

As we listen to this, I mean, it is shocking. It's stunning. I want to hear what you guys think about this. So I want you to call in. The number is 800-282-2882. Call in so we can hear your thoughts. I mean, I want to hear, Kyle, what they have to say about the police drones that we talked about earlier, too. So when we went to commercial, everybody's like, that's terrifying to think that we're going to have police drones all over. We are being monitored by police. This is not being monitored. Again, call in. It's 800-282-2882. Tell us what you think. But isn't that shocking to you when you hear this compared to what we just said about the police drones?

[Kyle Olson]

Well, and I think people have legitimate questions about, okay, this is being uncovered, and it's taking citizen journalists to uncover it. Now, what's going to be done? Is the state going to do an investigation? In Ohio, for example, is Mike DeWine the governor of Ohio? Is. What is he going to do? What is the legislature for the governor.

[Tudor Dixon]

Of Minnesota to resign? Because it seems as though he's been somewhat complicit in this.

[Kyle Olson]

There's no question about that. There's no question because the situation with Minnesota, it was talked about in 2018. And Kamala Harris, when she vetted him, she knew that this was a problem and she went with him anyway. Because I think that they are. They're indifferent to it. They use this money to buy votes, to win districts, to win elections, to register people to vote. This is how. This is one of the ways that they're winning. And it needs to be exposed and people need to be held accountable. And I agree with her. When states aren't going to do something, the Trump administration has to do something. These problems are being exposed. There needs to be accountability. People want to see accountability.

[Tudor Dixon]

It's just interesting to me because people pushed back so hard on Doge. They were anti elon. They thought he was moving too fast. I think it had to happen. I think he had to do what he did to prepare our minds to see what this is.

[Kyle Olson]

I but I don't know that our minds are prepared because we're seeing billions and billions of dollars in Minnesota. Well, what is, what is a significantly bigger state that probably is worse? California? And how do we even, can we even wrap our minds around the amount of, of potential fraud that are, that's happening in places like California?

[Tudor Dixon]

Can you even get in to a state like California that's so protected by Democrats? I mean they've got, they've got registration, same day registration, they've got ballot harvesting. I mean they have it so protected that it is Democrat land and you can't get in. We want to know what you think. We're going to go to a break but we want you to call in. It's 800-282-2882. Call us. We'll be right back with your audience answers and questions after this.

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome back to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. I am Tutor Dixon from the Tudor Dixon Podcast alongside Kyle Olson from the Midwesterner News. And we are coming to you live from the Wood Radio studios in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Kyle, we want to take some audience questions about what we've been talking about. So just a reminder, we've been talking about police drones and we've been talking about this fraud coming out of Ohio and it looks like we've got Cheryl calling from Wisconsin. So let's take Cheryl. Cheryl, what's up? What do you want to talk about? I.

[Clay Travis]

You know what?

[Mahak]

I am so disgusted. I am so sick when to just learn about something like this. All of us that live day to day have no idea what is going on until somebody like Nicholas Shirley. Thank God for this guy who is doing this. I'll tell you right now, President Trump.

[Tudor Dixon]

Needs to get this guy on his team. This is amazing but it's also, it's.

[Mahak]

Sickening what these people have done to our country to not even investigate these. These businesses that have dark windows.

[Tudor Dixon]

And I mean but to think that this kid just walked up. I mean that's all it took was.

[Kyle Olson]

For him and that and that's, to me, that's what's so significant about it. You know, you've got, you've, you have 60 Minutes, you have CNN. You have all of these networks. They've got, you know, massive budgets and, you know, highly experienced people and everything. But then you have a citizen journalist that goes up and just ask questions and exposes the truth.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yeah. Yeah. Cheryl, thank you so much for calling. We're hoping that the administration is listening and they are going to do something. I want to bring Jim in really quick from Florida because Jim, Jim sounds like he's mad as well.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Tudor Dixon]

Tudor, how you doing?

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[Tudor Dixon]

Very merry Christmas.

[Howard Lutnick]

Well, I'll tell you this, I want that state penalized because I'm going to tell you this. There's no way Elmer Fudd looking waltz did not know that was happening. And, you know, I know he did because of the fact they always bring up this racial component. They're afraid to confront the Somali community. That's not my problem. I pay taxes in Florida for federal dollars to go to every state in this union, and I want that money back. For every citizen that plays the fair way, I want the money back. And Jim, I don't know what more to say.

[Tudor Dixon]

We agree. Appreciate it. We agree. We appreciate you calling. Hey, everybody, stay, stick around. We're going to be back with hour two of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton show. In the meantime, while you're in the break, find me on social media at Tutor Dixon and subscribe to the Tutor Dixon podcast that's in the Clay and Buck podcast network. You can listen to it wherever you listen to or watch your podcast, but stay right here. We're going to be back with more of the Clay, Clay and Buck show right here.

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