Hour 1 - We Live in a Fascinating Time

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 – "We Live in a Fascinating Time"

Date: June 12, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this energetic and wide-ranging hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the day's hottest stories with trademark wit and analysis, exploring the dawn of a modern space economy following SpaceX’s record-breaking IPO, updates and confusion around the Iran nuclear deal, the complexity of modern American politics (including Hunter Biden rumors), and a deeper discussion of racial equity policies under the Trump administration. Throughout, the hosts blend optimism about technology and productivity with skepticism of political spin, reflecting on what it means to live in such a “fascinating time.”

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Segment Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. SpaceX IPO – The Dawn of a "Space Economy"

[02:36 – 06:03]

• Buck & Clay celebrate SpaceX’s historic public offering:
  • “Space X IPO off like a rocket, which makes sense because it is a rocket ship company.” – Buck Sexton (02:49)
  • Disclosure: Both are small investors.
  • Praises Elon Musk for defying repeated skepticism.
    • Clay: “There were people who said, including experts… ‘You’ll never be able to build a rocket company…make reusable rockets...build a business of rockets.’”
  • Notable moment: Elon Musk now the world’s first trillionaire.
  • Perspective:
    • Clay: “We live in wondrous times, where we are at the beginning of a true space economy… the foundation of commercializing, exploring and expanding meaningfully into outer space is now.” (04:35)
    • Buck: SpaceX entered as the sixth largest public company in the U.S. with over $2 trillion market cap.

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2. Iran Nuclear Deal – Mixed Messages & Frustration

[06:07 – 13:38]

• Setting the scene: Updates expected; guest Steve Yates (Heritage Foundation) will discuss more next hour.
• Trump Claims vs. Iranian Leaks:
  • Transcripted Trump soundbite: “We just made a great settlement of the war with Iran...Most importantly, we have a deal that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon...” (Donald Trump, 08:18)
  • Trump’s contradictory post: “The terms that Iran leaked out to the fake news have nothing to do with the terms that were agreed to in writing...very dishonorable people to deal with...” (09:16)
• Host skepticism:
  • “If you’re about to sign a deal, why would you leak out fake deal terms?” – Buck (12:23)
  • “It is feeling like we are being told a deal is minutes away for months. That’s what it feels like at this point.” – Clay (06:17)
  • Drone incident: Trump aggravated by Iranian drones attacking Indian ships.
• Strait of Hormuz Reality:
  • Trump says it’s “open,” but Clay & Buck note shipping is still drastically reduced and fears persist: “It’s closed due to threat. Iran has taken it hostage.” – Buck (13:05)

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3. Technological Optimism & the Future of AI & Medicine

[13:53 – 17:07]

• General positivity about tech-driven prosperity:
  • “I’m very bullish… the future of the American economy because of…incredible technology-based entities…creating real wealth for America and yes, for humanity.” – Clay (13:53)
• Role of AI:
  • “People realize [AI] is a tool that enhances...They want human beings doing things for them, with them, side by side...But we will have tools to make everything more efficient and better.” – Clay (14:59)
• Abundance and the end of basic scarcity:
  • “Food as a problem for humanity had existed for all of our existence and we…destroyed [it].” – Buck & Clay (15:36-15:48)
• Healthcare breakthrough forecast:
  • Clay predicts longevity and quality of life improvements with new medicines, therapies, and technology.

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4. American Politics: Hunter Biden & Democrat Rumors

[24:17 – 28:32]

• Hunter Biden on X, and VP joking with Newsom:
  • “He’s thinking about running… he’s on some podcast…” – Buck (25:04)
  • Hunter jokes: “I’ll run, but only as your VP because the truth of the matter is the Vice President’s residence is a lot cooler. It’s a lot easier job, too.” (25:36)
  • Buck: “Would the Democrats rally behind him…?”
• Hosts reflect on political double standards & speculation:
  • Clay: “There’s nothing that is too scummy when it comes to a Democrat’s past, if he could be useful to the ticket…” (28:01)
  • Discusses irrelevance of past scandals, prominence of redemption arcs, and state of the Democratic party.
  • Predicting wild, contentious Democratic primary post-Trump.

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5. Race, Merit, and the Law: The End of "Disparate Impact"?

[28:36 – 39:13]

• Civil Rights Policy Update:
  • Cites the Trump DOJ’s new guidance aiming to end “disparate impact” enforcement at EEOC.
  • “Disparate impact as a legal doctrine is so destructive and so wrong in our society and it’s illogical, but it’s emotional.” – Clay (34:46)
  • Explains: It’s not based on actual discrimination but outcomes (hiring ratios, etc.), which leads to implicit quotas.
• Affirmative action and meritocracy:
  • “It is anti-meritocratic, it is destructive, it is wrong… and Trump’s DOJ is finally stepping up to shut down this practice.” – Buck (37:34)
• Vision for the future:
  • “It is necessary for us to be a society where everyone is judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin, and where we can achieve actually greater and true harmony…” – Buck (39:11)

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6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On SpaceX and living in a remarkable age:
  • Clay: “We live in a fascinating time where things are going to change and I think change in a lot of ways for the better.” (17:11)
• On political spin over the Iran deal:
  • Buck: “At some point it becomes frustrating on our side of things because I also…there are other things. We will talk about other things today, obviously…” (13:38)
• On ability to thrive:
  • Clay: “People are going to be doing in their 60s, 70s and 80s what used to be entirely…end stage of it in your maybe 40s and 50s in terms of level of activity, productivity, enjoyment…” (16:48)
• On identity politics and merit:
  • Buck: “They want to demand special treatment while saying, you cannot note, you cannot observe the special treatment that is out there.” (33:14)
• On the purpose of reform:
  • Buck: “We are witnessing… the dismantling of the racial entitlement state in America. And it is essential, it must happen or else we will never be able to get beyond the wounds of the past.” (38:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• SpaceX IPO & “First Trillionaire” Discussion – 02:36-06:03
• Iran Deal Confusion & Trump Quotes – 06:07-13:38
• AI, Future Economy & Medical Advances – 13:53-17:07
• Hunter Biden & Dem Political Speculation – 24:17-28:32
• Affirmative Action, Disparate Impact, DOJ Policy – 28:36-39:13

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Tone & Style

Upbeat, fast-paced, and incisive with moments of humor and banter (notably the self-deprecating jokes about golf and mixing up presidential quotes). Buck and Clay balance their deep skepticism of political narratives with genuine enthusiasm for technology and optimism about America’s future. They emphasize critical thinking, meritocracy, and the value of living in an era of rapid change.

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Listener Takeaways

• Optimism about SpaceX, American innovation, and the next era of productivity
• Ambivalence and skepticism about foreign policy progress with Iran
• Continued critique of the Democratic Party’s approach to leadership and identity politics
• Thoughtful dissection of legal and moral questions about affirmative action and racial quotas
• Above all, a call to remain engaged, realistic, and resilient in a complicated world

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Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome everybody to Clay and Buck on

[Clay Travis]

this lovely and exciting Friday, June 12, year of our Lord 2026. A lot of interesting stuff happening out there.

[Buck Sexton]

We've got the Space X IPO off like a rocket, which makes sense because

[Clay Travis]

it is a rocket ship company. Clay and I are both investors in that disclosure.

[Buck Sexton]

Little ones.

[Clay Travis]

I wish I was a huge one. But then again, I wouldn't need to work if that were the case.

[Buck Sexton]

But it is an incredible journey, an

[Clay Travis]

incredible story to get to this point for Elon Musk, for all those SpaceX

[Buck Sexton]

employees, this is the largest, the largest IPO in history. Elon Musk is officially the world's first first trillionaire, as SpaceX has opened at

[Clay Travis]

$150, which is above the IPO price of $135. This thing is, yes, already going to the moon. And look, it's just, it's an incredible story from Elon Musk. If you haven't read the Walter Isaacson biography of Elon Musk, I would, I would highly recommend it. I've read it. It's really, really good. And at so many stages of this process, there were people who said, including experts and others who had tried Elon, you'll never be able to fill in the blank. You'll never be able to, first of all, build a rocket company. You'll never be able to make reusable rockets. You'll never be able to build a business of rockets.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, you just go down this

[Guest Commentator]

enormous list of never, never, never.

[Buck Sexton]

And at Elon today, well, proved them all wrong.

[Clay Travis]

And it's an amazing time we live in. There's very exciting stuff happening all around us. I know that there are challenges always.

[Guest Commentator]

I know that there are evildoers and

[Clay Travis]

there are enemies and there are crises.

[Guest Commentator]

But also take a moment to see we live in wondrous times, where we are at the beginning of a true space economy. The infrastructure, the foundation of commercializing, exploring and expanding into in meaningful ways. Outer space is now, that is happening now all around us. And SpaceX is obviously a huge indicator of that. So congrats to Elon Musk, the world's first trillionaire. So I guess now that means Bernie Sanders is going to have to update the same speech he's been giving for

[Buck Sexton]

60 years to the millionaires, the billionaires and the trillionaire. It's crazy.

[Guest Commentator]

So we will take a look at how that's going. SpaceX IPO over the course of the show, but really, really is amazing. And it's. By the way, it's already the sixth largest. At its current market value of over $2 trillion. SpaceX is the sixth largest public company in the U.S. nvidia, think the future of AI 4.96 trillion. Alphabet, Google 4 trillion. Apple 4 trillion. Microsoft 2.8 trillion. Amazon 2.5 trillion. Space X 2 trillion.

[Clay Travis]

And then Broadcom is 1 trillion. Tesla's one 1.8 trillion. So, yeah, it's, it's an amazing time. We are in.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, we have a stacked guest list

[Clay Travis]

for today as well because we have

[Buck Sexton]

updates on the Iran deal. I, you know, there's what, there's what the White House is saying and there is what Iran is saying. We're just going to keep following where

[Clay Travis]

the facts are on this one. It is feeling like we are being told a deal is minutes away for months. That's what it feels like at this point.

[Buck Sexton]

And I want that deal to happen

[Clay Travis]

and I want us to be able to move past this situation with Iran in a way that shows Trump was right and we have completed the mission there. We'll give you updates, but Steve Yates, who is a senior Heritage foundation fellow, also Clay and Buck podcast host, Nation States with Yates. He'll be with us, talk about Iran stuff next hour. Katie Zachariah, California legal and political strategist and analyst, she'll be with us. And then Mary Margaret Olahan, who's a Daily Wire White House correspondent, will be with us.

[Buck Sexton]

So we got a lot of people

[Clay Travis]

be joining in on the fund today. You may be wondering, where is Clay? He is recovering from his golf session yesterday where I heard his swing was

[Buck Sexton]

so big, big swing from Clay Travis, that he's thinking about going pro. And I got to tell him that,

[Clay Travis]

Clay, you can't do PGA and this show, so you gotta, you gotta stay with radio. You know, some other point, maybe you could pursue your dreams of being a professional golfer. I know that you think that you're gonna get that Masters was a green jacket. Is that right, guys? I know nothing about golf. I got pulled into a golf conversation yesterday over cocktails and I had no idea what was going on. I just sat there quietly like they were speaking in a different language. So I had no idea. They're talking about courses, things I'd never heard of before. That's a whole world that is foreign to me anyway.

[Buck Sexton]

That's, we got SpaceX, we got the Iran deal.

[Clay Travis]

All of these things are unfolding around us. And you know what? Let's actually jump into a few of the things, a few of the things that Trump has been saying about the

[Guest Commentator]

Iran deal as it stands right now.

[Buck Sexton]

This was from yesterday.

[Clay Travis]

This is Cut five, Play Cut five.

[Buck Sexton]

President Trump, we just made a great

[Donald Trump]

settlement of the war with Iran. And we're going to be subject to finalization of documents, which should get done over the next few days. Probably have a signing maybe in Europe. Most importantly, we have a deal that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, which was the whole purpose of what we had to go through to get this. So it was a big, very big thing. But we have a signing soon and the documents are in pretty final shape, so we'll see.

[Buck Sexton]

Pretty final shape.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, that's good.

[Buck Sexton]

That's encouraging.

[Clay Travis]

That's what I want to hear.

[Buck Sexton]

But then I have this on Truth Social.

[Clay Travis]

I. Oh, sorry. That was. Jay Clayton is the SEC commissioner. No, no, I want to. Where did. Where did this one go? I'm pulling it up right now as we talk. So sometimes. Ok, here you go.

[Buck Sexton]

The terms that Iran.

[Clay Travis]

This is from 9:40am Eastern today. The terms that Iran leaked out to the fake news have nothing to do with the terms that were agreed to in writing. What they said, including their weak and pathetic statement on having a deal, bears no relation to the truth.

[Buck Sexton]

Very dishonorable people to deal with.

[Clay Travis]

With them, there is no such thing as dealing in good faith.

[Buck Sexton]

Amazing.

[Guest Commentator]

All caps.

[Buck Sexton]

Also, their totally rebuffed drone attack last

[Clay Travis]

night against Indian ships leaving the Hormuz Strait is totally unacceptable. They better get their act together and fast. President Donald J. Trump.

[Buck Sexton]

That was this morning, my friends. I don't want to be a bummer. I think that's the best way. I'm not trying to be a bummer. I want Trump to get the big W on this because it means a W for all of us and it's

[Clay Travis]

great and we can focus back in on our country.

[Buck Sexton]

But I also.

[Clay Travis]

Wasn't it George Washington?

[Guest Commentator]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

And the. I cannot tell young. Wait, no, was it.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry. It was young Abe Lincoln.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I cannot tell a lie.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, God.

[Buck Sexton]

That.

[Clay Travis]

I just messed that up on the air.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, that was Washington. That's what it was, Washington.

[Donald Trump]

Of course.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what I said. It was Washington. Guys, it was a long night last night.

[Clay Travis]

I'll be honest with you.

[Buck Sexton]

My voice is a little husky.

[Clay Travis]

It's, you know, it was a long night last night. So if I'm

[Donald Trump]

right.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

$1 bill versus $5 bill.

[Buck Sexton]

First president, 16th president.

[Clay Travis]

Right. So, yeah, I will remember core pieces of Americana and history as we go forward on the show today. I cannot tell a lie is the

[Buck Sexton]

point, though, so I need to. I need to process. You have Iran shooting drones at Indian ships and Trump is ticked off as of this morning yesterday. This is. This is cut 6. This is what Trump said about the Strait of Hormuz.

[Donald Trump]

The strait is open, but the straits have been open for a number of months already. And you just didn't know about it. You know, you as reporters weren't able to get it. I just announced yesterday that we're bringing, that we brought a lot of ships nobody knew about. I guess we did a pretty good job, Peter. Right. But we brought many, many ships across and millions, hundreds of millions of barrels of oil were brought across.

[Clay Travis]

The strait has been open for a number of months.

[Buck Sexton]

Guys, what do you want? How am I look, Trump, he's dealing,

[Clay Travis]

he's wheeling and dealing, he's weaving. I get it. But the straight has been a problem for months. We know this, OK? There's been like a 90%, 95% drop in shipping in the Strait. There's a reason gas prices are up 40 to 50% right now.

[Buck Sexton]

So we have to be dealing in reality here. And I need to understand also why

[Clay Travis]

we're about to sign a deal. But he says Iran is leaking out fake deal terms.

[Buck Sexton]

If you're about to sign a deal, why would you leak out fake deal terms? And now when he says that the Iranians are very dishonorable people to deal with. Of course they are. That's totally true. They don't deal in good faith.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I've been saying all

[Clay Travis]

along, by the way. It was like this, dealing with the Iraqis, including Iraqis that we were supposed to be allied with at different points.

[Buck Sexton]

So I'm familiar with this dance and I just, I can't tell you exactly where this thing is right now. So we'll talk to Steve Yates about

[Clay Travis]

it a bit more.

[Buck Sexton]

But the Strait of Hormuz has not

[Clay Travis]

been open for months.

[Guest Commentator]

Actually, that's not really a.

[Buck Sexton]

You could say that we have opened it, but ships are too scared to go through it.

[Guest Commentator]

But then isn't that the same thing

[Buck Sexton]

as it being closed? It's closed due to threat. Iran has taken it hostage. We have not been able to relieve the fear that Iran will and just and rightly so, people are afraid. They had a drone attack against Indian ships that were just trying to get out of the Strait. So we're about to get a deal. How many times am I to come

[Clay Travis]

on the air here and report to

[Guest Commentator]

you that a deal is imminent and

[Buck Sexton]

there is no deal. At some point it becomes frustrating on our side of things because I also,

[Guest Commentator]

there are other things. We will talk about other things today, obviously we'll talk about California election and a whole range of stuff. Rooting out fraud, more on, more on SpaceX.

[Clay Travis]

And just, you know, I'm, I'm very bullish, I think is the right term on the future. Of the American economy because of some of these incredible technology based entities that are also creating real wealth for America and yes, for humanity. So I have that note of real positivity here. I think we're going to be at a place pretty soon where overall productivity in all sectors of the modern economy is going to go up dramatically because of AI. And I think that AI people realize is a tool that enhances. People still want human beings. They want human beings to be doing things for them, with them side by side. We're not going to have robots doing everything. That's not, that's not reality. But we will have tools to make everything more efficient and better. And I think that when you add that to having satellites that are in low earth or low earth orbit that can provide Internet to you anywhere in

[Buck Sexton]

the world, a lot of you like

[Clay Travis]

to be a little off the grid, maybe fully off the grid.

[Buck Sexton]

But it'd be nice that you could

[Clay Travis]

get on the Internet when you need

[Buck Sexton]

to so you can listen to Clay and Buck, right. You could have a cabin in the middle of Saskatchewan.

[Clay Travis]

That sounds pretty remote, right. And you can get perfect Internet from Elon Musk's company. So I think that this is, and that's just some of the examples that we're seeing of what's going to be happening here. But we're going to be conquering problems we've already conquered really as a species. Human beings have conquered food as a.

[Buck Sexton]

Now the problem is we conquered it so much that we're eating too much

[Clay Travis]

food and now we've got to go in the other direction. But mass starvation for humanity had existed

[Buck Sexton]

for all of our existence and we

[Clay Travis]

have essentially destroyed the only way that it happens. You might say like, well, the great leap forward in China you could have man made famine, but you don't have. Oh, we just have no capability to produce food. That's not a reality anymore. So much so that we don't even think about it. We all take it for granted. I mean I walk into a grocery store near where I live and I mean it looks like there's enough food in there to feed a city by. And that's just one grocery store. We have so much abundance is my point. Actual wealth for humanity. I think we're heading into a phase where you'll see that for medicine with breakthroughs and longevity and not remember we're talking about longevity. Quality of life is going to be so dramatically improved. I really believe this. And you know, I'm a big evangelist for and a believer in some of these Breakthroughs, whether they're peptides or GLP or all of these different, you know, hormone replacement therapies and these, these obviously, you know, consult your doctor and make sure that everything is aligned with your medical, your medical professionals. But my point here is people are going to be doing in their 60s, 70s and 80s what used to be entirely, you know, you reach the end stage of it in your maybe 40s and 50s in terms of level of activity, productivity, enjoyment of day to day.

[Buck Sexton]

So there's great stuff that is happening. So on the one hand, yeah, I'm

[Clay Travis]

frustrated that the Iran deal, we got to get this and I'm worried the Democrats are going to take over and they're communist lunatics and they can ruin anything. True. But SpaceX today is about more than just one company, huge company and a few hundred people who are becoming sent to millionaires and all of that. It's, we are in a really particularly exciting moment in the history of not just America, but America's at the very pinnacle of it, but of humanity and of our species. And, and I think it's really cool, I think you should take a moment to realize that we live in a fascinating time where things are going to change and I think change in a lot of ways for the better. And I could just sit here and be a cheap catastrophist and tell you that the sky is falling and everything is going to be terrible. And you know, that gets you a lot of clicks on. You know, I talk about, I could talk about silly conspiracies that scapegoat people or whatever, but no, we deal in reality here.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the reality.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

We will get to a bunch of your calls and your talkbacks and all of that good stuff today on program. And also I'm wondering if any of

[Buck Sexton]

you are as fascinated by and encouraged

[Clay Travis]

by the incredible success of these companies like SpaceX that are doing really remarkable things. You know, this isn't like a pets.com, you know, dot com pet food bubble thing. This is, this is real, what they're doing, the rockets, the technologies and everything else. Definitely want to talk to you all about that. And I've got some updates for you on the California election situation. Ryan Graduski reached back out after he heard one of our callers wanting to know more or challenging some of his analysis. So we have that for you as well. So you'll be very up to speed on it. We'll get into all that here in just a second. You know the phone number. Give us a call. We'll talk to you.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

back in here to Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

So we have a whole lot going on in the world of Trump and Trump isms. We talked a bit about the Iran deal and Trump is trying to sell everybody on how the media is not being fair or honest about the whole thing. So that's one aspect of it. But I do think we should have something more like an actual deal before we are too celebratory in all of this.

[Buck Sexton]

Something that came up on my radar that is so crazy that I have

[Clay Travis]

to, at least for a moment here take it seriously.

[Buck Sexton]

Something that is just, you would think, no way. But then you have to say, well,

[Clay Travis]

maybe way because of the world that we live in and the Democrat Party as it is. Hunter Biden has made something of a reappearance in public, courtesy of X. Elon Musk's free speech online platform, which, I might add, has done a tremendous amount to help disrupt the control of the narrative that the left wing had had in this country via social media, and from there, everything else along with it. Hunter Biden, though, is back on X.

[Buck Sexton]

And here he is. This is. This is something pretty wild.

[Clay Travis]

He was on some podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

He said he's thinking about running.

[Clay Travis]

Everybody play 25.

[Gavin Newsom]

I'm joined today by presidential candidate Hunter Biden. 2028.

[Buck Sexton]

Come on, Hunter.

[Hunter Biden]

No, no, no, no.

[Gavin Newsom]

You got more buzz out there than you got the President of the United States, Donald Trump, talking about your candidacy for President of the United States.

[Hunter Biden]

I had to give you a break for just one day at least. Here's the deal.

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[Hunter Biden]

I'll. I'll run, but only as your. As your vp because the truth of the matter is the. The vice President's residence is a lot cooler. It's a lot easier job, too.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. Clearly they're having some fun with this.

[Clay Travis]

Right? That's Gavin Newsom, by the way. Gavin Newsom talking to Hunter Biden. But I also think this is the state of the Democrat Party right now.

[TNA Wrestling Commentator]

Why.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's just do. As a thought expert. Do I think Hunter's gonna run?

[Clay Travis]

No, probably not.

[Buck Sexton]

But could he. Would the Democrats rally behind him if

[Clay Travis]

he started to get a little bit of. You might say, well, Buck, that's impossible.

[Buck Sexton]

All the photos, all the stuff. Well, it's all out there.

[Clay Travis]

You know, he was fully pardoned, so he has. There's no charges against him. Nothing is going to happen there. Right. So he doesn't have any felony record or anything like that at all. And this guy Platner is the Senate candidate in Maine. He has a.

[Buck Sexton]

A sordid past.

[Clay Travis]

He seems like a total scumbag.

[Buck Sexton]

Hunter Biden could run on the redemption narrative arc again. I don't think he will, but how crazy is it?

[Clay Travis]

And what does that tell us about the state of politics today, particularly among Democrats? But in general here, I. I believe Gavin Newsom. I know Clay is not here, so I'm not.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not going to build up my

[Clay Travis]

case too much on this one without

[Guest Commentator]

Clay here to give his counterbalance, his counterpoint.

[Buck Sexton]

He is all in on Kamala as

[Clay Travis]

the Democrat, not just running, unfortunately, he's

[Guest Commentator]

likely right on that one. I can't believe that day I said she's not running. She's going to get absolutely annihilated.

[Clay Travis]

I do not think she's going to

[Guest Commentator]

be the nominee still, and I do not think that she would ever be in a. I don't think she could win a presidential election because I think Gavin Newsom is going to be the nominee.

[Clay Travis]

But

[Buck Sexton]

how insane is it really to

[Clay Travis]

have Hunter Biden, you bring the Biden name into the mix as the VP there. Let me ask you it this way. How many crazy Democrat neighbors do you have, or Democrat colleagues at work or whatever who would vote for a Newsom Biden ticket?

[Buck Sexton]

Just put it that way.

[Clay Travis]

Newsom, Biden ticket.

[Buck Sexton]

Bring back Biden.

[Clay Travis]

You know, it's unlikely, but I just

[Buck Sexton]

wanted you to think this one through a little bit.

[Clay Travis]

I wanted you to give this a moment in time. There's nothing that is too scummy when it comes to a Democrat's past.

[Buck Sexton]

If he could be useful to the

[Clay Travis]

ticket, if he could be someone that advances the interests of their machine and of their power. So I think that's a very. That's

[Buck Sexton]

pretty much a summary of what

[Clay Travis]

it is to be a Democrat these days. Anything goes as long as you can win. Anything goes as long as you get to be in charge afterwards. Now, something else that's going on in the background. We didn't talk about this.

[Guest Commentator]

I think the EEOC is now running

[Clay Travis]

into trouble thanks to the Trump administration. A lot of the racial hierarchy, which is what it is, the unequal application of the law that we have all suffered through for decades now. And people say, oh, you didn't suffer.

[Buck Sexton]

And there's all this stuff, all these things, all these narratives, it's all false.

[Clay Travis]

Everybody, let me say everyone of every race, every creed, every background has suffering, ok?

[Guest Commentator]

Every person is carrying a heavy burden

[Clay Travis]

and has their own struggles. It is Democrats who, because of the collectivist mindset they have, have adopted this storyline that says, well, some people inherently, because of the arbitrary group that we

[Buck Sexton]

assign to them, have suffering that is more worthy, even if their real suffering does not exceed yours.

[Clay Travis]

Their suffering matters more because of the history of suffering of their people or something. And that's, that's actually not a just way to, well, run a society. And it's just not an ethical approach to each other as human beings. Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton is out there

[Buck Sexton]

talking about, again, you say, like, I don't think she's going to run either, but could she? We're going to be entering a post Trump era.

[Clay Travis]

It's going to be a wild, free for all in the Democrat primary, which is going to play out next year.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, this is coming soon, folks. I'm not, this is not like, oh,

[Clay Travis]

in years and years down the road,

[Buck Sexton]

Democrats are going to, this is going

[Clay Travis]

to be something that we are dealing

[Buck Sexton]

with in the relatively near future. And I want you to hear how

[Clay Travis]

Hillary Clinton is discussing this. Taking apart of, as I said, that racial hierarchy that the Democrats very much, very much rely on for their power play. It.

[Hillary Clinton]

We are in another revolution. But it's a counter revolution to the revolution that Dr. King was describing. It is a revolution to turn the clock back. It is a revolution to take away the rights that we have worked so hard to achieve. It's a revolution that enables those who are in power right now to fire well qualified black and women admirals and generals and military officers who have earned the right to be promoted and they are not because this particular counter revolutionary crew in Washington right now doesn't want us to be a rainbow nation. Doesn't want, want us to have the kind of vision of a country where we all have a place.

[Clay Travis]

Ok, important things to think through here. First of all, the Hillary Clinton and Democrat party line on this is whether it's the Pentagon under Secretary of War Hegseth or any number of other places in the government right now, people who have been fired for poor performance or fired for cause in some capacity and who were advanced to their role explicitly under a regime of we need more women, we need more minorities, we need

[Buck Sexton]

to advance people beyond where they would be without that advancement. You see, this is, this is what they want you to forget. You cannot have a rule in place that says we're going to give more

[Clay Travis]

to black candidates for whatever it may be a generalship in the, in the military.

[Buck Sexton]

You cannot say we are explicitly going to help black candidates over non black candidates or women over not and then turn around and say they're just as qualified, they're just the same in their ability as these other. Because why did you need that rule then? Why is it that all the objective

[Clay Travis]

metrics, for example, in college admissions a little bit different in a workplace situation,

[Buck Sexton]

but the objective metrics of standardized test

[Clay Travis]

scores show that, you know, in some

[Buck Sexton]

schools it was more advantageous to be black in application for college than to get a perfect SAT score By the numbers.

[Clay Travis]

By the numbers, by the data.

[Buck Sexton]

So you say, okay, what exactly is the world that they want to, they

[Clay Travis]

want to make us believe exists?

[Buck Sexton]

They want to demand special treatment while saying, you cannot note, you cannot observe

[Guest Commentator]

the special treatment that is out There.

[Buck Sexton]

But this is, I think.

[Guest Commentator]

Sorry about my voice, guys.

[Clay Travis]

It's shot after last night.

[Buck Sexton]

But this is, I think, one of the most important things that is occurring

[Clay Travis]

right now under the Trump administration and

[Buck Sexton]

no one's really talking about it enough.

[Clay Travis]

Harmeet Dillon is doing an amazing job

[Buck Sexton]

at DOJ now turning that Civil Rights division was the uncivil rights division for so many years under Democrats and Republicans because the civil servants who worked in it were sort of burrowed in and would keep going with their left wing policies. But the Trump Office of Legal Counsel, this was just a couple of days ago, has issued an opinion to the EEOC that its guidelines about disparate impact

[Clay Travis]

liability under Title VII of the Civil Rights act are unconstitutional.

[Buck Sexton]

The Office of legal counsel OLC found EEOC's guidelines pressured employers to engage in racial discrimination.

[Clay Travis]

Under those guidelines, employers could be held liable for unequal hiring and promotion outcomes among different groups with regard to the employer's likely intent.

[Buck Sexton]

I know this sounds like we were getting down into EEOC and these acronyms and everything else. Disparate impact as a legal doctrine is

[Clay Travis]

so destructive and so wrong in our society and it's illogical, but it's emotional. And people like the racial hierarchy, they like the spoil system who are benefiting from it and so they want to shut up everybody who doesn't benefit from it.

[Buck Sexton]

What it says is essentially the I'm hiring for SpaceX. Let's say I'm Elon's cheap SpaceX guy. I need the absolute top astrophysicists that the world can bring together for SpaceX,

[Clay Travis]

which, I mean, this is all sounds very much like what SpaceX is, right?

[Buck Sexton]

Well, the problem is under the EEOC and under the Title VII of the Civil Rights act previously, if I didn't have enough, and you might say, what is enough? Not clear. Not clear. They leave that open to interpretation. If I don't have enough Black astrophysicists at SpaceX, even if they cannot show any discriminatory intent in hiring, meaning not a single black applicant who was clearly qualified for the job was turned down.

[Guest Commentator]

The idea being on as an account

[Buck Sexton]

of race disparate impact says it doesn't matter who applies. It doesn't matter how good the individuals are of one group, one race or another. If you hire 100 astrophysicists and 97 of them are white and Asian men, they can assume that you have a racist policy based upon the outcome, not the actual hiring process. Think about that for a minute. And by the way, this is true of gender as well you know, so under disparate impact law, you might have

[Guest Commentator]

a, you know, a logging company tends

[Clay Travis]

to be a lot of dudes working for a logging company.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, they better have women in some key positions and they better play ball with the EEOC or else the fa, even if they're open to anybody who can swing a saw or whatever you

[Guest Commentator]

do to bring a tree down, you

[Buck Sexton]

know, work a chainsaw, they have only guys and not women there. Disparate impact.

[Guest Commentator]

Disparate impact.

[Buck Sexton]

This has been in criminal law too, I might add, at some levels.

[Guest Commentator]

And it is just a pernicious and

[Clay Travis]

wrong and evil legal philosophy because people

[Buck Sexton]

are different, groups of people can be different. If you have an objective race neutral standard in place, a gender neutral standard in place. It should not be the job, it

[Guest Commentator]

is not the job of a company,

[Buck Sexton]

of a government agency or entity to try to pretend that society is producing as many qualified individuals and applicants from all these different groups as would make the left and the libs happy. It's effectively a quota system without telling you what the numbers are. It is anti meritocratic, it is destructive, it is wrong.

[Guest Commentator]

And Trump's DOJ is finally stepping up to shut down this practice.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's just, you know, what Hillary's talking about there. We are witnessing right now in Trump's second term, the dismantling of the racial

[Guest Commentator]

entitlement state in America. And it is essential, it must happen

[Buck Sexton]

or else we will never be able

[Guest Commentator]

to get beyond the wounds of the

[Buck Sexton]

past, we'll never be able to get beyond the wounds of the present. We'll have people showing up at the Carmelo Anthony trial basically telling the world, I'm glad he got stabbed to death because he's a white kid, because they've been told lies, they've been told their victims, they've been told the system is all set against them, including set against Carmelo Anthony, et cetera. So this is something that is very

[Guest Commentator]

important, not getting enough attention. And Trump, I wish Trump would talk about this more. We should probably have harmeet on to come talk about, about this.

[Buck Sexton]

But I know eeoc, olc, all these things.

[Guest Commentator]

No, no, no, this is big. This matters. Dismantling affirmative action, dismantling disparate impact, dismantling stealth racial quotas, all of this. It is necessary for us to be a society where everyone is judged by the content of the care of their

[Clay Travis]

character, not the color of their skin,

[Guest Commentator]

and where we can achieve actually greater and true harmony as different individuals of different backgrounds, because we will all be in a race, a race that is fair and where the rules are clear,

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

We have a pretty quick turnaround here, so I'll just tell you where we're going to be heading. Heading next, but also want you to light up those lines. Love to talk.

[Buck Sexton]

You remember I'm going to be out

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We love those talkbacks.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

We have heard. We will get into the Karen Kevin situation as well.

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