Hour 1 - What Are We Missing?

Summary

Summary of "Hour 1 - What Are We Missing?" from The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Release Date: February 21, 2025

In the Hour 1 - What Are We Missing? episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton engage in a dynamic discussion covering a range of topics from sportsmanship and patriotism to big pharma critiques and societal shifts. With their characteristic blend of intelligence and humor, they navigate through the complexities of contemporary issues, providing insightful commentary and engaging anecdotes.

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1. Opening Banter: Weather and Travel Plans (00:00 - 01:21)

The episode kicks off with Clay and Buck exchanging light-hearted remarks about their differing climates. Clay enjoys the warm South Florida weather, while Buck prepares for a chilly trip to Colorado Springs, highlighting their contrasting experiences.

Notable Quote:

• Buck Sexton (00:22): “I have never been skiing either, which for a guy who wears boat shoes and has had the Michael J. Fox circa 1980s haircut for his entire life is a little carry ski.”

2. Hockey Showdown: US vs. Canada (01:21 - 12:24)

The hosts delve into Buck's disappointment over the American hockey team's defeat against Canada. They analyze the game’s atmosphere, addressing expectations versus reality regarding fan behavior and national anthem reactions at TD Garden in Boston.

Key Points:

• Buck anticipated a more hostile environment with potential anthem booing but was pleasantly surprised by the restraint shown by fans.
• Clay shares an audio clip highlighting minimal booing, countering previous producer Greg's expectations.
• They discuss the resurgence of patriotism in sports, noting increased unity and national pride during the game.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton (03:08): “It was a little bit of a bummer for me, Clay, because I was watching and I was very much hoping that the US Team would come out and absolutely trounce these maple syrup drinking, maple leaf loving, cold weather, 51st staters.”
• Clay Travis (05:00): “I was actually surprised there wasn't more, you know, Boston.”

3. Trump's Influence on Sports Patriotism (12:24 - 17:58)

Clay and Buck examine former President Trump's role in fostering patriotism within American sports teams. They play an audio clip of Trump encouraging the US hockey team, emphasizing unity and national pride.

Key Points:

• Trump’s message to the hockey team mirrors scenes from inspirational films like Miracle, promoting a sense of national unity.
• The hosts reflect on past instances where political figures interacted positively with athletes, contrasting with more politicized moments like those involving Megan Rapinoe and the US Women’s Soccer Team.

Notable Quotes:

• Trump (10:31): “You guys are really talented. I have great respect for hockey players... It’s an honor to talk to you and get out there and there's no pressure whatsoever.”
• Buck Sexton (11:16): “It was almost like something scripted for a movie like Miracle... the whole sense around this hockey team was one of patriotism and American unity behind them.”

4. Megan Rapinoe and the Intersection of Sports and Politics (17:58 - 24:23)

The conversation shifts to the politicization of sports, specifically referencing Megan Rapinoe's leadership and the US Women’s Soccer Team’s strained relationship with the White House. The hosts contrast this with the unifying approach seen in the hockey team’s interactions with Trump.

Key Points:

• Rapinoe’s activism led to backlash and a reluctance among the team to engage with political figures, tarnishing the team’s public image.
• Clay and Buck argue that maintaining a focus on representing the country without political distractions can preserve and enhance athletes' reputations and public support.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton (12:55): “I think that, you know, hockey's done very well in this regard. It doesn't have that politicization, at least that I've, that I've seen.”
• Clay Travis (13:26): “I totally agree. And I would say this for all athletes. If the president wants to shake my hand and say, well done, I don't care who the president is, I would go if I were on any of these teams.”

5. Big Pharma and Operation Warp Speed (24:23 - 35:02)

The discussion transitions to a critical examination of Big Pharma, focusing on Operation Warp Speed’s expedited vaccine development during the COVID-19 pandemic. Clay and Buck debate the merits and drawbacks of the rapid vaccine rollout, expressing skepticism about the pharmaceutical industry's transparency and intentions.

Key Points:

• Buck criticizes the lack of honesty from vaccine companies regarding data and side effects, attributing some public distrust to these practices.
• They explore the broader distrust of big pharmaceutical companies within Trump’s base, contrasting it with Trump’s own favorable stance on Operation Warp Speed.
• The hosts argue for accountability and transparency in healthcare, highlighting the overprescription of medications and the societal shift towards medicating young children excessively.

Notable Quotes:

• Buck Sexton (25:51): “We need it as fast as possible. And because we're doing it on an expedited schedule, the vaccine companies will only do it if we remove the liabilities for them.”
• Clay Travis (28:18): “Not only that, where Trump got it right eventually was not mandated.”

6. Overmedication and Healthcare Critique (35:02 - 34:00)

Clay and Buck address the societal issue of overmedication, particularly among children. They express concern over the excessive prescription of ADHD medications and antidepressants, linking this trend to broader healthcare system flaws.

Key Points:

• The hosts highlight that overprescription leads to negative health outcomes without necessarily improving overall health.
• They advocate for a reduction in prescription drug usage, emphasizing lifestyle changes such as diet and exercise as more effective solutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Clay Travis (34:00): “I think we are wildly as a society over medicating young kids. I’m not talking about vaccines, I’m talking about ADHD medication, I’m talking about antidepressants.”
• Buck Sexton (33:46): “If you want to tell people, change your eating, get steps, get more sleep. This is, this is what I mean about the debt.”

7. Closing Remarks and Sneak Peek (37:30 - End)

As the episode draws to a close, Clay and Buck tease upcoming segments, including interviews with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and discussions on the collapse of Budweiser into "woke madness." They also touch upon the importance of communal viewing experiences in the age of niche streaming, reiterating their earlier points about societal fragmentation and the yearning for unity.

Final Thoughts:

• The hosts underscore the transformation in media consumption and the loss of shared cultural experiences, advocating for events that bring people together.

Notable Quote:

• Clay Travis (37:15): “It was a preposterous fight. But you were a part of the mass appeal.”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide a multifaceted exploration of current events, blending sports commentary with critical analyses of healthcare and societal trends. Their discussions highlight a persistent theme of seeking unity and accountability in various facets of American life, resonating with listeners who value both informed discourse and relatable dialogue.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Buck Sexton (03:08): “It was a little bit of a bummer for me, Clay, because I was watching and I was very much hoping that the US Team would come out and absolutely trounce these maple syrup drinking, maple leaf loving, cold weather, 51st staters.”

• Clay Travis (05:00): “I was actually surprised there wasn't more, you know, Boston.”

• Trump (10:31): “You guys are really talented. I have great respect for hockey players... It’s an honor to talk to you and get out there and there's no pressure whatsoever.”

• Buck Sexton (12:55): “I think that, you know, hockey's done very well in this regard. It doesn't have that politicization, at least that I've, that I've seen.”

• Buck Sexton (25:51): “We need it as fast as possible. And because we're doing it on an expedited schedule, the vaccine companies will only do it if we remove the liabilities for them.”

• Clay Travis (34:00): “I think we are wildly as a society over medicating young kids. I’m not talking about vaccines, I’m talking about ADHD medication, I’m talking about antidepressants.”

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the first hour of the podcast episode, providing listeners and non-listeners alike with a comprehensive overview of the topics covered.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome everybody to the Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay here with me in South Florida. He's happy to be wearing his flip flops walking around enjoying this lovely South Florida weather. Sorry for the rest of you where it's cold. I'll be in Colorado this weekend.

[Clay Travis]

Super cold out there, Buck, where it.

[Buck Sexton]

Will be quite cold and I don't even ski. But I'm looking forward to seeing some great folks out in Colorado Springs. It'd be my first time ever.

[Clay Travis]

Never been to we're going to be out I think I'm going to be doing the show in a couple of weeks. The boys at least we have scheduled to be out there. So it's beautiful. I like Colorado in summer more than I do Colorado in winter because I'm not a huge winter person but my wife kids like to ski and snowboard so going to be out there in March. So it's, it's, it's going to be quite the departure from Miami in February.

[Buck Sexton]

I have never been skiing either, which for a guy who wears boat shoes and has had the Michael J. Fox circa 1980s haircut for his entire life is a little carry ski. I don't think Carrie ski so I.

[Clay Travis]

Don'T think Laura's really, Laura is really very good at it. So the kids, we got, the kids started young. I think that's the advantage. If I had skied when I was young, I probably would like it. But as is, I go hang out at the ski lodge and don't really do any of that.

[Buck Sexton]

Speaking of cold weather sports, I did get home. We were out at a dinner last night here in Miami, had a great time. But I did get home in time to catch unfortunately the defeat of the American hockey team by our Canadian brothers and sisters to the north. I'm just going to tell you, Clay, I think maybe some of the smack talking worked against us on this one. We can get into some of this. I, I was watching and I it was the first hockey game I don't even know in how many years for me. We'll, we'll dive into that momentarily. We've got some great guests coming up later on in the program, including one he'll tell us the tale of Budweiser's collapse into woke madness. Caroline Levitt doing some great stuff with the media, slapping them around, teaching them a little bit here and there. Elon Musk with some funny stuff at CPAC. The White House honors Black History Month. Mitch McConnell is not running for another Senate term. We've got all of that and more. And we want to get to a bunch of your talkbacks because yesterday we had so many coming in. So we will do that. But let, let me start with. It was a little bit, it was a little bit of a bummer for me, Clay, because I was watching and I was very much hoping that the US Team would come out and absolutely trounce these maple syrup drinking, maple leaf loving, cold weather, 51st staters. Because now I feel like talking a little trash because we lost. But instead, Justin Trudeau gets to, gets to share this out on X. You can't take our country and you can't take our game. He's a little hissy. Little hissy. You know, it's just the whole thing. What happened, Clay? Give, give me, give me your assessment. Was it, oh, did they the, did they boo the national anthem? Cause I didn't see the game.

[Clay Travis]

Not really. I was actually very surprised. I don't know if producer Greg, who expected along with me for there to be booing. We've got some audio.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think if producer Greg puts on a hockey jersey, all of a sudden one of his front teeth disappears and he's ready to fight? Because like, I never seen him so fired up is what he talks about hockey.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I mean, he was, he was all in yesterday. Let me play a little bit of this audio. Cause we've got it out there from the opening of the game and I know based on responses that a lot of you were up out there. Here is what it sounded like. There was a little bit of booing. We talked about this a lot yesterday, but actually the fans in Boston were way better behaved than I thought they were going to be. Here is cut nine. You can hear a small smattering of booze during the Canadian national anthem.

[Buck Sexton]

True patriot love that only us command. With glowing hearts we see the rise the true north strong and free.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so that, that is very minor league.

[Buck Sexton]

I think there was booing from the way up top. The guys who are already eight or nine Molson's in. You know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

Yes. And, and by the way, they also, this is at TD Gardens in Boston. They warn the crowd against booing the national anthems. There are obviously Canadians inside of Boston as well. Listen to cut 8.

[Buck Sexton]

In the spirit of this great game, we kindly ask that you respect the national anthems and the players that represent each country.

[Clay Travis]

All right.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, I stand behind yesterday. We don't boo There. I know there's a little bit. I think most of the people. It was not.

[Clay Travis]

I was actually. I was actually surprised there wasn't more, you know, Boston.

[Buck Sexton]

By the way, some of us. Some of us remember your history of great patriotism, being a literary hub for the world, tremendous education, a lot of. I mean, I went to college in Massachusetts. A lot of respect for Bostonians, and I think that they decided to show. Show some sportsmanship. I could. If the whole place erupted into booze, we absolutely would have known. That did not happen. There might have been a few people, but, you know, a few people booing. You can't. You can't get everybody to get on the same sheet of music these days. I think that was the right thing. Look, there is, to me, Clay, everything. And even though it's a little. It's funny, I don't care about hockey at all. But if America.

[Clay Travis]

But you watched, and I watched, and I bet a huge number of people out there who didn't otherwise care about hockey watched.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, here's what I think that's part of the surge of. And I'm not saying people wouldn't have watched under Biden. It's not like, oh, Biden's president. I'm not watching hockey. I'm not saying that. But I do think that culturally there is. There has been a shift. It's not just about Trump, although he's leading this. This movement, but there is. There's a shift toward. I've said it before, patriotism is cool again and rooting for America and America being number one in as many things as we can. And if you're representing America, we back you 100%. I think that that has had a little bit of a surge. I'm not saying it went from nothing to everything.

[Clay Travis]

Of course, you're right.

[Buck Sexton]

But I think there's a little bit of a surge now, and people feel like it's more okay than it's been in a while to be vocal. I mean, people. And if someone was going to challenge me on this, I would say this. During the Biden administration, there were articles, I think it was the New York Times, about how having an American flag was making certain people, you know, from your hanging on your front porch or whatever, making certain people uncomfortable because it know now they know there's like a MAGA person with their American flag. I think that crap is gone. I think that nonsense has receded tremendously into the background because there were a lot of people who were all saying the same thing. Clay, I don't care about hockey, but I want the American team to win.

[Clay Travis]

I agree. And it reminds me actually of the 80s and 90s when it felt like every American, when the Olympics would come around, turned on the television and aggressively rooted for America to win. And it felt like we were all on one team. And I think we have Trump calling the US Hockey team before the game. He wasn't there. But did you see the national anthem? The way they had the flag displayed on the ice with graphics. I don't know exactly how they did it. It was beautiful. And everyone started chanting USA during the game, there were regular outbreaks of USA chants. And I'm going to play Trump here for us in a sec. But buck idea on this because you're not a die hard sports fan, but you watched Mike Tyson fight against Jake Paul on Netflix, didn't you? Didn't you put that on back in November? I feel like you did.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think I did.

[Clay Travis]

I thought he did. Somebody go check the trans did.

[Buck Sexton]

I think. I thought it was like elder abuse.

[Clay Travis]

Well, maybe I thought you watched it. But Clay, there have been two events, sports related that I would say are niche. And we just had a record setting Super Bowl. More people have never watched a football game in United States history than what just happened with the game between the Eagles and the Chiefs. And my thing on it. I'm curious if you would buy this thesis, Buck. I think in this era of streaming where everybody goes home and they put on Netflix and you watch whatever you like and your kids watch whatever they like and you have all these different niches Grandma and grandpa watched. I mean back in the day, in the 80s and 90s, everybody sat around and watched the Cosby show or everybody sat around and watched Dallas. Right. Like there was this idea that you shared something communally as a culture. I think there's a desperate desire for people to watch things in unison. And I thought about it last night when I was watching the hockey match, which it felt like everybody's suddenly watching. And also with Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, these are niche in theory. Hockey games are not usually wildly popular. Certainly a boxing exhibition between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul wouldn't be. But to me it seems emblematic of, hey, we want everybody coming together. And I think the American patriotism element plays into this as well. People don't go to church as much as they used to. If you look at young people, they barely go on dates anymore. People are so in their phones all the time that the things that we do together as a society are Much less common than they used to be. And I think there's a yearning and there's a craving for us to come back together as one. I just, I sense that out there, and I think the USA and the patriotism is part of it. Here, by the way, is Trump calling the US Men's hockey team to, to talk with him before the game yesterday?

[C]

Well, I'll talk to the guys if they're around.

[D]

Yeah, they are. I'm going to walk into the locker room right now and you can speak to the guys firsthand. Mr. President, can you hear me?

[C]

I can. You guys are really talented. I have great respect for hockey players. I'm a hockey fan. I love hockey. The talent, the skill that you have is crazy. And just go out, have a good time tonight, and I just want to wish you a lot of luck. You really are a skilled group of people. It's an honor to talk to you and get out there and there's no pressure whatsoever.

[D]

I can, I can tell you honestly, every person in here, players, staff, management, coaches, we are all proud Americans and we want to represent our country the best way we can and do our best to bring in a win tonight. Thank you again on behalf of everybody.

[C]

You just go out and have a good time. You're going to win. And we love America. We love you guys. We'll be watching tonight. Bring it home.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Now, isn't that exactly what you would want?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. It was almost like something scripted for a movie like Miracle, like if Miracle happened today, if that could have been a scene with the president, in this case, Trump would be a great character in any movie talking to somebody on the team. And you know, and this is also, again, you know, coming from a non sports watcher. And I watch some sports. Okay. I'm not like, I'm not like Belki from Perfect Stranger. Yeah, yeah, I watch a little sports. But from a non sports guy, the, the whole sense around this hockey team was one of patriotism and American unity behind them and rooting for them and really the best of sport. You know, I never picked up any distraction from anywhere of, you know, oh, like, you know, there's some guy on the team who's got some different politics or some woke. Now, I know there's the Canadian American thing, but that was kind of part of the rivalry.

[Clay Travis]

I just, I hope, because this is where sports kind of went off the rails was when. Do you remember when Megan Rapinoe became the spokesperson for the US women's soccer team and the US women went from in 2015, one of the most beloved teams that we've ever had to. In 2019, they refused to go to the White House. Trump was like, hey, girls, like, I'm super rooting for you. Hey, we want to celebrate you. And they were like, we hate you. Megan Rapinoe led the charge and they wouldn't go to the White House by 2023 when Megan Rapinoe yanked that penalty kick wide right. As many of you said, ironically enough, there were a lot of people that didn't want the US Women's soccer team to win because they had infected their brand with left wing politics.

[Buck Sexton]

And this is what I'm speaking to as a casual observer of these things. I went from being somebody who said, wow, it's great that our American girls are out there. Women, not girls, whatever. It's great that our American women are out there kicking butt and showing, showing America in this very positive light to, oh, a few of their players are really annoying and left wing. And now I, now I don't want to watch anything they do. I'm not going to look at the highlights, et cetera. So I think that, you know, hockey's done very well in this regard. It doesn't have that politicization, at least that I've, that I've seen. I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

I totally agree. And I would say this for all athletes. I, if the president wants to shake my hand and say, well done, I don't care who the president is, I would go if I were on any of these teams. Like, that needs to be the standard.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, in the, you know, in, in Band of Brothers, there's a great scene where I'm forgetting the name of the main character in the, in the movie, but Dick Winters. Thank you. Thank you, Dick Winters. And the guy who's played by the guy from Friends walks past him once. Dick Winters has, you know, elevated up the ranks for all of his heroism and leadership and he won't, he doesn't salute him. And he goes, hey, you don't salute the man. You salute the rank. When you're, you know, that's, you know, it's a great line as well, I think. Band of Brothers, top five series for me, all time, maybe top three.

[Clay Travis]

It's a great book.

[Buck Sexton]

It's, you know. Yes. Yeah. But I bring it up because if you're a athlete representing the United States as the women were, as the hockey player, women's soccer, hockey player, the president wants to meet you in that role. The president's not shaking your hand because he cares about your votes in the past. You're there. It's like he's, you know, you're saluting him as the president and he's saluting you as a representative of American athletics. So any decision not to go to the White House is babyish.

[Clay Travis]

I agree. And I would go no matter. Look, I thought Joe Biden was an awful president, but if I had been on an athletic team, that was opportunity to go to the White House, I go, right.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, if I was on the US Olympic team for pickleball, which I could be because it's a silly game and I actually play a real game, tennis, a real sport, and I was invited to the, you know, the AOC administration in 10 years. I. Some of you can yell at me, but if it was because I was representing the US in athletics, I would show up and shake hands and take the photo. I don't think you disrespect the President of the United States.

[Clay Travis]

I agree.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not, I'm not going to show up and say I'd vote for this person or I like their policies. But anyway, so I think that getting sports. I know this has been a big thing for you, a mission for you.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

One of the big tests here is going to be will sports team show up and continue to be pro America and visit and shake hands with the president regardless, or will there be a Megan Rapinoe out there who leads her team astray. Yesterday, Tiger woods was at the White House and I believe we have audio of a raucous crowd as Trump introduces him, chanting for Tiger woods to come speak at the microphone. Let's play that.

[C]

Is there anybody like our Tiger? How are you? He's a great. Would you want to just say a couple of words, Tiger? He doesn't. He's much more comfortable.

[D]

Hey, it's an honor to be here.

[Buck Sexton]

It's honor to be here with you.

[D]

Mr. President, and to be honored here.

[Buck Sexton]

With all of you. Thank you so much.

[Clay Travis]

So the crowd goes crazy. Buck, we're going to play you audio of the crowd not going crazy because in the crowd today yesterday at the White House, but Trump had Tiger woods there, but he also had the CEO of Pfizer, Albert Borla. And when he introduced him to the crowd, Buck, we need, we need to play the audio of the crowd reaction because you just heard everybody going crazy for Tiger Wood. Woods, the CEO of Pfizer did not get that reception. And this is one area where I think Trump is a little bit not in tune with the average Trump voter when it comes to big Pharma. And we'll play that audio because I.

[Buck Sexton]

Think it's interesting when we come back.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

I don't think we've told you about the fantastic guests that we have coming on the show today. 1:30 Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. He'll be with us. We're talking about Doge the cutting. I loved Elon's comment at CPAC that Putin buying him off is a, is a challenge because Putin can't afford him.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

When you're worth $300 billion, give or take, I think you can say that. I think that's fair. The notion of somebody buying off the richest person on the planet is pretty funny. And then Anson, Anson Freirex.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Or Fredericks. Are you missing a D in this or is it Freirex?

[Clay Travis]

I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, I'm going to go Freirex guys. But you know, I don't know who's the former. A former president at Anheuser Busch. He's going to talk about what happened with Bud Light and the. The woken. The wokening of. Of Bud Light. So they're coming up later on in the program. I would also note that there was a scurrilous accusation made that I had watched the Tyson Paul Jake Paul fight.

[Clay Travis]

Did I sworn you?

[Buck Sexton]

Did I watch it guys? I don't think I did. Do we remember? We have no idea. I did. I did not watch it here this is, I am very consistent. This was back on November 18th. Cut 21 hit it. I did not stay to watch it. I was like, I think this is a sign that I probably shouldn't see this, I don't know, kind of quasi elder abuse situation going on. It seemed quite strange to me. But people loved it or a lot of people watched it and a lot of money changed hands. I don't know. I guess there's a lot of nostalgia there.

[Clay Travis]

Hold on. You cut the clip there. I think you said you tried to but the streaming issue. Can we go back to the tape? I think that was me. I think that was a CNN or MSNBC style fake news edit. I think Buck tried to watch. No, but the streaming service wouldn't because remember for that Netflix event everybody by and large had different Issues trying to get logged in. And I think Buck cut off the part where he tried to watch, wasn't successful, and then decided it was elder abuse. When I'm just going to say, go back to the tape, that's my recollection.

[Buck Sexton]

That might have been correct. I think somebody in my vicinity wanted to watch it, couldn't get it on. And I was like, well, I'm glad, because I wouldn't want to watch such a thing.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Nonetheless, I do find it to be in the elder abuse category.

[Clay Travis]

It was not a good fight. But I did think on the sort of larger context, the fact that you've got usa, Canada, which Canada won in overtime, by the way, to the extent we didn't mention that. Great game. Three, two. Unfortunately, the bad guys won. But as I said yesterday, without hockey, I'm not sure Canada has a reason to exist. They still have not won the Stanley cup since 1993. So congratulations for this win. But, Buck, if you go back, I just think there's this desperate yearning for communal events because so much of media and life in general is so niche now. You know, you might like a particular comedian. You sit down on Netflix. It's different than when we all came together, remember, you know, everybody would watch Full House. Everybody would watch who's the Boss? Everybody would watch the Cosby Show. And as a result, there was a communal viewing experience that I think made life feel more connected, especially for those of us who grew up in the 80s and 90s. And other than Game of Thrones, I can't remember a show that really everybody felt like they needed to watch live. And so I feel like these sporting events on both Netflix now and then last night's game on ESPN are reflective of that. So notwithstanding Buck lying and saying he didn't try to watch it, these are not like super bowl caliber events.

[Buck Sexton]

Notice how he slipped that in there. I said I didn't watch it. I didn't say I didn't try to watch it and failed initially. So go back to the tape on that. But, yes, this is why I couldn't really remember whether I'd watched it or not, because I think there was an effort to watch. And I was like, ah, this sucks. I'm not.

[Clay Travis]

The streaming was screwed up now.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, can we. Can I get.

[Clay Travis]

You want to play a bit of.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I want to get on the news.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I thought we're going to talk about Borla.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh. Oh, okay. We didn't play the Borla. Yeah, that's fair. All right. He's Correct.

[Clay Travis]

Let's play for the people.

[Buck Sexton]

I know we deliver. Here we go. Albert Borla, Pfizer CEO. This is how he was greeted in the White House when Trump said his name.

[C]

We also have the head of Pfizer here, so I want to thank him. One of the great, great people, one of the great businessmen. Thank you, Albert. Thank you, thank you very.

[Clay Travis]

So Trump kind of laughs there, Buck, but this is the same crowd that was chanting, tiger, tiger, tiger. These are Trump people. It was a black history event yesterday, among others. I think they had a lot of different events going on. And the Pfizer CEO was there for some reason. And this reminded me when he introduced, I believe it was the CEO of Johnson and Johnson. And the crowd also booed. There is a lot of distrust right now of Big Pharma on a level that I'm not sure has ever existed. And I think Trump's base is very, very distrustful of the Pfizers and the Johnson and Johnson's and the modernas of the world. And I'm not sure that that is reflected from Trump himself. But this is one of the few areas I would argue where Trump is in not synchronicity, if I'm saying that correctly, with his own base. He is more welcome and opening on the drug company front than the bases from.

[Buck Sexton]

Still talks about Operation Warp Speed as a huge success.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's. And I don't, I've never heard him waver from that. I don't, I've ever seen him say, you know, actually Operation Warp Speed had some problems. Here's something that I remember because during COVID all I did was sit around and think about the madness all around us and talk about it for like five hours a day on the radio. There was a, a very broad based movement among Democrats and a lot of Republicans to push for the vaccine as fast as possible and to remove any liability from that vaccine so you could get it on schedule. So now for everyone to turn around and say, well, hold on a second, what about what these vaccines have done? I just say, you know, you know, they, they demand, the people demanded this and the Trump administration put it forward and now we're trying to figure out what the extent of those vaccine, vaccine injuries are. I just want, want us all to be clear on what the, what the real history of it was. The history was we demanded a vaccine as soon as humanly possible. I don't think the vaccine companies were honest about the data. I don't think they were honest about the, about the side effects. And I don't think that we should ever forget that the social media companies suppressed any concerns, criticism. And I was among them. I mean, I'm like, I got hit pieces and like New York Times and fact checkers and stuff. Anybody who had questions about it was shouted down. That part of it is all really bad. But, you know, to me, it's a little bit like when we blame, we blame. We're like the national debt. Government's out of control. Yeah. Well, we keep electing people who spend too much money.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And with the vaccines, I mean, if anyone wants to explain to me how this is not a correct interpretation of the historical events, their decision was made broadly. I'm not saying everybody, but broadly, we need it.

[Clay Travis]

As for.

[Buck Sexton]

We need it as fast as possible. And because we're doing it on an expedited schedule, the vaccine companies will only do it if we remove the liabilities for them. So this was the. This was kind of the Faustian bargain with our health that was made then. And it was only when the Biden administration came in and there was even more. The extreme mandates and the lying about it. That's a different thing than just looking at operation. I'm talking about operation warp speed. And I think what Trump's view of it is, which is we wanted the. We wanted the vaccines as fast as possible. We got them as fast as possible. And he take it up with Trump. Trump thinks that it was still overall a big win to be able to do that. I've never, if he, if he has ever backed off of that, I would like to know when he has backed off of that.

[Clay Travis]

Not only that, where Trump got it right eventually was not mandated.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, of course.

[Clay Travis]

And I do think that we were talking about this a little bit last night at dinner. If you could go back in time and we talk about multiverses and everything else, if Trump wins in 2020, what would the COVID shot era have looked like? Because, Buck, I can argue, and I think it likely would have happened, that a lot of people on the left would have said, I'm never taking this Trump shot. And I think there would have been a lot of people on the right who were saying, no, I don't trust this either. I actually think the coverage of the COVID shot would have been far more honest if Trump were in office as opposed to Biden, because as soon as Biden came in and said, you have to get this, you had to get it to go to a wedding. I mean, people had to get it to be able to go to McDonald's in New York City. Like, they could check your vax card. I think that the coverage of the failure of the COVID shot would have been actually way fairer and way more honest because the media would have used it as an opportunity to attack Trump. And all these people out there who went and got 10 shots and bragged about running out to get their Covid shot, many of them on the far left, I don't think they would have gone. In fact, you can find some of these people who have public platforms saying, hey, I'll never get a Trump shot. And then as soon as Biden won and Biden said, hey, everybody has to go get a shot, suddenly they were lined up and they couldn't wait to go get it done.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I just think there's a little, there's a, a movement right now or there's a trend right now toward the, the over demonization. And I love when people say, look, well, how much is pharma paid you? I'm like, I wish. Give me, give me some big pharma money.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think we've ever gotten a dollar.

[Buck Sexton]

I've never gotten a dollar from pharma anytime in my entire career that I am aware of on radio, on tv, anywhere else. But would I speak for, I don't know, statins that probably save a few million lives every year. Yeah, yeah. I think the statins that keep people's blood pressure down so they don't die. I like those. Those are good. I'm going to go pro statin, you know, I'm going to go pro drugs that help people who have lupus and pro drugs are going to help. I mean, there's a lot of stuff, guys, that everyone needs that's really good for them, that is made, that is manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. That's not to say there aren't abuses. Bad things have happened, obviously, the OxyContin, you know, debacle and, you know, which was criminal. But I bring this up because there are all these people that are gathering at Luigi Mangione's trial in New York City cheering him on as well.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it's crazy, but producer Ali was talking about this this morning.

[Buck Sexton]

This guy's the head of a health care company. He's assassinated in col blood. And there's a whole movement out there of, oh, isn't he a hero?

[Clay Travis]

It's crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

He is not a hero. And there I'm seeing this all a big pharma. And look what they did to us. The vaccines people were Begging for the vaccines. And before they came out, before, look at the data, I'm talking about summer of 2020, everybody was like, oh my God, Trump Operation warp speed. We wanted all these vaccines then and they moved it as fast as they possibly could. And now instead of people looking at a lot of folks looking at themselves and saying, maybe I shouldn't have believed all the mask stuff and maybe I shouldn't have gone along with lockdowns and obviously any mandates on the vaccines were monstrous and nobody should have been fired and all of that is true. But to just be like, oh, it's all, you know, big, big pharma is evil. That mentality it ties into healthcare is also evil now as well. Or the healthcare companies are evil. Well, everybody wants to pay, you know, $20 copay and go see a doctor of their choice whenever they want. And guess what? That actually isn't reality. So the healthcare companies are engaged in all kinds of this black box machinery to try to give people care. 70% of people like their healthcare company in America, everybody, look at the numbers, look at the statistics. 70% of people try to tell people you're going to take away their health care and give them single payer and see what happens. They freak out. But yet everyone sits around right now. Not everyone, but people are sitting around right now. They're like, oh, the healthcare companies are so terrible. Luigi Mangioni is here. This kid's a little left wing lunatic who murdered somebody, was a father, he was a husband. You know, what am I missing? Some of you want to argue with me on this, by all means call in and tell me because we could, we could have a little bit of a throwdown on this issue because I'm seeing a lot of this stuff on the. Right. What do you, what do we want? We want to, we're going to get, we're going to like nationalize the, nationalize the big pharma companies. What do you want them to do? What, what's the RFK Juniors at hhs? He's going to do a whole house cleaning on the rules and regulations. You got the guy that you want, he's going to look into all this stuff. Great. But let's, let's keep it in the, in the context here of this is also a lot of important stuff going on. I mean there's, you know, go into a cancer ward and see some of the drugs that they're able to give people now and save lives and understand that this stuff is very expensive. It takes a long time and we are the world leader in this, by far.

[Clay Travis]

My take on it would be much like I think you could fire half of the federal government. I think we could cut 50% of prescription drug use in the United States and there would be zero impact on health care. To your point, I think there is ton. I think we are way over medicated and over prescribed in general on prescription drugs. And you're right, like it's true.

[Buck Sexton]

If you want to tell people, change your eating, get steps, get more sleep. This is, this is what I mean about the debt. Everybody wants to tackle the debt until it's actually accountability time. Everybody wants to be healthy until it's actually accountability time.

[Clay Travis]

And I would also say this, and this is me as a parent. I think we are wildly as a society over medicating young kids. And I'm not talking about vaccines, I'm talking about ADHD medication, I'm talking about antidepressants. And the wealthier kids are the ones that are way over medded. Right. Like, I mean, it is just crazy to me. Most, most kids do not need to be on prescription drugs. There are examples to the contrary. So this is my thing where we have a little bit of a difference of opinion on this. I don't think we should allow prescription drug advertising on television. It's us in New Zealand, pretty much the only ones. I think there are lots of people who watch an ad and say, oh, I need to go get this and ask for it by name. I think that's why they advertise. But I just, I don't think our outcome on health care is like we're not gaining based on what we're spending. That would be my overall perspective on it as much as we should.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Caught red handed Buck Sexton tried to watch the Mike Tyson Jake Paul fight. Clever editing. Attempted to make it not the case, but the team has gone back. Play the tape.

[Buck Sexton]

We are sitting here and watching what seems like a transformation in both the media and in sports. Even I was seeing it. And I'm not just talking about how everybody was watching the buffering. I got home, Clay, and I saw some of the buffering Friday night. I had an early I knew it.

[Clay Travis]

Was going to be a monster number Buck when I was sitting in my best Western in Athens, Georgia, hotel room trying to get it pulled up on the screen. And I'm scrolling through social media and I see that you also are having difficulty getting Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight pulled up. And I was like, this thing's going to be huge.

[Buck Sexton]

I did not stay to watch it. I was like, I think this is a sign that I probably shouldn't see this. I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

Wow, that's where the gray started.

[Buck Sexton]

This is a gray zone, everyone. I didn't watch it. So that was true. I had forgotten that I had seen the buffering. But you know, at the end of the day, I was right. It was a preposterous fight.

[Clay Travis]

It was a preposterous fight. But you were a part of the mass appeal. When we come back. By the way, Senator Ron Johnson, our buddy's going to join us in the next hour. We'll also dive in to some of this big battle going on in the White House.