Hour 1 - Would They Do This is in a Mosque?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 - Would They Do This in a Mosque?
Date: January 19, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" dives into recent headline-grabbing protests in Minneapolis—specifically the incident where activists disrupted a Christian church service to protest ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement). Clay and Buck dissect the legality, cultural implications, and media coverage (notably involving Don Lemon) of these protests, drawing broader connections to current trends in political activism, media bias, and the selective enforcement of legal protections. The conversation fluctuates between sharp critique, legal analysis, and observational humor—all characteristic of the show's tone.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Protests in Minneapolis: Context and Reactions

• Setting the Scene:

  • Clay opens by noting the cold weather in Miami and the anticipation around the national championship game (02:30), but quickly pivots to the “cultural flashpoint” in Minneapolis—ongoing protests about ICE actions and police-involved shootings.
  • Over the weekend, activists stormed a church during a service to protest ICE, an event that became viral online, raising questions about protest boundaries (04:07).

• Reaction to Protest Tactics:

  • Both hosts decry the protestors’ decision to invade a place of worship, arguing it’s counterproductive and disrespectful.
  • Clay Travis (06:12): “If you are storming into a worship service and you are disrupting it, you are not the good guy. I think this is going to play very poorly for these protesters.”

• Would They Do This in a Mosque?

  • Buck raises the rhetorical question that gives the episode its title, arguing that protestors target Christian spaces because they perceive them as "safe" to disrupt, implying they would not dare do the same in a mosque or synagogue due to potential backlash or cultural restrictions (06:52).
  • Buck Sexton (06:52): “Would they go into a mosque and do this? ... No, they would not. They only do this to a group that they identify as being part of the kind of right of center American paradigm.”

2. Churches as Sites of Vulnerability & Openness

• Openness and Security:

  • Clay highlights how Christian churches tend to be open and welcoming, making them vulnerable to such disruptions, while noting increased security in synagogues due to recent anti-Semitic attacks (08:31).

• Emotional Impact on Congregants:

  • Later, Clay references the traumatic context for Minneapolis churches, including a recent attack by a “crazy trans shooter”—making the protesters' invasion even more frightening for churchgoers, some of whom were children (23:51).

3. Don Lemon’s Role and Media Narrative

• Don Lemon in the Church:

  • The hosts play audio from the church showing Don Lemon, formerly of CNN, accompanying the protesters and confronting the pastor about First Amendment rights (09:57).
  • Lemon is criticized for misunderstanding the Constitution and for haranguing the pastor during a service:
    • Buck Sexton (10:53): “Don Lemon is a degenerate... he doesn’t know anything. The Constitution doesn’t give you a right [to disrupt private property].”

• Media Bias and Participation:

  • Clay and Buck debate whether Lemon’s actions cross the line from journalism to activism, and discuss the legal gray area if a journalist has advance knowledge of planned unlawful activity.

4. Legal Aspects: Trespassing, the First Amendment, and the FACE Act

• First Amendment Misconceptions:

  • Both hosts explain that free speech does not cover trespass or disruption of private events (12:31):
    • Clay Travis (12:33): “You don’t have the right to show up in a private venue and start to lecture them with your First Amendment rights... they’re trespassing.”
    • Buck Sexton (13:36): “They're not trying to change anybody’s mind. They're acting out, they're throwing a tantrum, they're harassing people.”

• Potential Charges Under the FACE Act:

  • Clay outlines the FACE Act—which prohibits threats and physical obstruction at clinics and places of worship—and notes its recent use by the Biden administration against abortion clinic protesters (27:49).

5. The Minneapolis ICE Case: Media and Legal Developments

• ICE Officer Doxxed and Under Scrutiny:
  • The shooting of Renee Good by an ICE officer is under investigation, but the focus has turned to Good’s partner, who reportedly incited the confrontation (“drive, baby, drive” audio played at 26:06).
  • Clay and Buck report that the New York Times published detailed personal info about the ICE agent involved, arguing this puts his safety at risk (22:43).
    • Buck Sexton (22:43): “The New York Times newsroom would cheer, not publicly, but cheer if something terrible happened to that ICE officer.”

6. Protests Spreading Beyond the Church

• Protesters Occupy Target Stores:
  • In real-time, Clay notes that activists have now also “occupied and invaded” local Target stores in Minneapolis to demand ICE’s abolition (42:54).
  • Clay Travis (42:54): “There now are crazy protesters that have decided that they are going to take over the Target store as well.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis (06:12):
  "If you are storming into a worship service and you are disrupting it, you are not the good guy."

• Buck Sexton (06:52):
  "Would they go into a mosque and do this?... No, they would not. They only do this to a group that they identify as being part of the kind of right of center American paradigm."

• Buck Sexton (10:53):
  "Don Lemon is a degenerate... The Constitution doesn’t give you a right to be—it's private property, actually. You have been trespassed. Now you are breaking the law."

• Clay Travis (12:33):
  "You don’t have the right to show up in a private venue and start to lecture them with your First Amendment rights... they're trespassing."

• Buck Sexton (13:36):
  "They're not trying to change anybody’s mind. They're acting out, they're throwing a tantrum, they're harassing people."

• Clay Travis (42:54):
  "There now are crazy protesters that have decided that they are going to take over the Target store as well."

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Key Timestamps

• 02:30: Clay sets the scene, mentions Miami’s weather and pivots to Minneapolis protests.
• 04:07: Introduction of the viral church protest and play-by-play of protester behavior.
• 06:52: Buck asks, “Would they do this in a mosque?”—launching a recurring theme.
• 09:57-10:53: Exchange with Don Lemon and the church pastor, discussion about First Amendment, legality, and media conduct.
• 13:36: Analysis of protester motivations—“acting out” vs. real persuasion.
• 22:43: Buck on media’s role and treatment of ICE officer in the press.
• 23:51: Clay contextualizes churchgoers’ trauma and fears post-recent violence.
• 26:06: Audio of "drive, baby, drive", implication for investigation.
• 27:49: Explanation of the FACE Act and its application.
• 31:09: Buck and Clay discuss whether Lemon’s role could have legal consequences.
• 42:54: Breaking news: Protests now move to Minneapolis Target stores.
• 44:12: Preview of upcoming topics and next hour's lineup.

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Tone and Style Notes

• The conversation is assertive, sometimes sarcastic, and unapologetically critical of the left, media figures, and activist tactics.
• Clay and Buck alternate between providing legal/constitutional context and observational humor.
• The episode includes rapid real-time updates as new information about protests emerges.

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Conclusion

This episode provides a pointed critique of protest methods that target houses of worship, the media's role in shaping and publicizing activist narratives, and the selective enforcement of laws depending on political context. The hosts hold up Christian churches as examples of vulnerable, open spaces and draw sharp contrasts with other religious institutions, using the Minneapolis protest as a jumping-off point to question broader issues of justice, media impartiality, and protest boundaries.

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Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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Welcome in Monday Edition from this is not going to get a lot of sympathy out there, but a Legitimately Cold Miami I am with Buck here in Miami. I woke up this morning and it was about 45 degrees. People were walking around in Miami like they were on ski slopes. It is Now a toasty 61 degrees, which for Miami is about as cold as it can get. We are going to the big national championship game tonight along with President Trump, Marco Rubio. It's going to be quite a scene down in Miami at Hard Rock Stadium with Indiana and Miami playing for the college football national championship. I'm sure we'll have some good stories about that tomorrow, and we're all looking forward to checking that scene out. But there are a lot of stories out there coming out of a weekend of feverish, I would even say, news stories. President Trump continues to up the pressure on Greenland. We will discuss exactly what we anticipate happening there. We will continue to follow everything coming out of Venezuela as there have been many different news stories associated with things there. But we began with the cultural flashpoint that is Minneapolis and the ongoing fallout of the protests there. And Buck, I'll start off with this idea. I'm going to be honest with you. It is so cold that I really.

[Buck Sexton]

Thought the weather in Minneapolis, actually not in Miami.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah. Just to be clear, actually so cold in Minneapolis that I thought to a large extent they might decide that they were not going to aggressively be protesting like they have been. And instead, it's as if these protesters, now, to be fair, some of them, many of them may be getting paid to protest, but, man, they are still showing up in earnest. And I think they are, unfortunately for them, engaging in behavior that is going to be very, very hard for the average person of America to support. Including over the weekend on Sunday, a video that went mega viral that I want to play for all of you. Protesters stormed a church in the midst of a church service to protest ice. Here is what it sounded like. I want to play a couple of these. Of course, Don Lemon, who has been fired by CNN for incompetence, was following these protesters. And it's turned into a big story. But let's play cut two. First, for those of you that did not hear what that sounded like here, it was Minneapolis yesterday. Renee Good. Renee Good. Renee Good.

[Buck Sexton]

Where are you?

[Clay Travis]

Where are you?

[Buck Sexton]

Where are you?

[Clay Travis]

Where are your people? Why are you not at Whipple every day fighting for the humanity, standing for our people? Where are you? All these comfortable white people who are living lavish, comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life, nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters? Okay, Buck, this is, I mean, you heard it. This is evidence of what was going on. Again, just to kind of put this into context, I'm sure a lot of people out there were in their own church services across the country on Sunday, can you imagine what it would be like? You got kids sitting there in church, you have an actual worship service underway, and then these crazy lunatic protesters storm into the church and disrupt it. We'll play a couple of more cuts for you, but this has gone mega viral. There now is an investigation into whether law was broken in the method and manner in which these protests took place. And that is a complicated aspect of things. We can maybe dive into that legally, but just in terms of how it plays for the larger universe of people out there, if you are storming into a worship service and you are disrupting it, you are not the good guy. I think this is going to play very poorly for these protesters.

[Buck Sexton]

Nothing is sacred to these lunatic Marxists. And they make it very clear that this is about resentment. It's about resentment of white people. And you might say, how is that possible? Some of the people shouting are white. Well, it's whiteness, right? It's this construct of the comfortable Christian standard American white family that is not activated enough and that enrages the left wing and left wing, white, black, any, anybody. The notion that there are people that are happy and content with their lives that would show up to a church service in Minneapolis and not think a better usage of their time is to try to obstruct law enforcement. None of these people really care about the Latino or Somali communities there. I also know, Clay, when they compare. And I watch. There's a lot of these videos, right? Because they're. Keep in mind, they're showing these videos like they're the good guys. That's the hilarious part. And I give full credit to that pastor, whoever he is. He was calm, but he was firm. He was like, you people have no right to be here. I want you to leave. We're trying to worship God. What are you doing? Imagine this. Think of the disrespect here of going into this church. And also, would they go into a mosque and do this? I just want to know. There's plenty of mosques because there's plenty of Somalis. Would they go in and say, hey, why are you guys here? You need to be out in the streets? Muslim Somalis, would they do this to anybody else? No, they would not. They only do this to a group that they identify as being part of the kind of right of center American paradigm. I'm sure there's a lot of Democrats in that church, by the way. That's not. This is Minneapolis. The point is they're just agitators and they're looking for people to Put their. Put their fury on.

[Clay Travis]

They're taking advantage of the openness of Christians, candidly, because churches are open to everyone in Israel. They have a lot of holy sites. I think it's very interesting if you analyze it, that churches are open to everyone by and large. Unfortunately, a lot of people are afraid of the danger. So synagogues have now in America, many of them do armed security because of the unfortunate attacks that have been occurring. But, yes, they would never do this in a mosque because they would be afraid of what would happen to them. You can't, in many places, if you are not Muslim, even enter a mosque. A lot of them restricted their access. And also, I want to play this of Don Lemon because this is, to me, just evidence of what a. This guy is. He lectures this pastor, Jonathan Parnell, who is in the middle of a church service about how he has a First Amendment right to disrupt the church service. And this. I mean, to the pastor's credit, he actually handled this, I think, quite well.

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[Clay Travis]

And. And interacted with Don Lemon. But what it sounded like. Cut three. Don Lemon, fired by cnn, storming alongside of these protesters into the church and haranguing this pastor, who, if you watch the video, is in the middle of his church service. Cut 3.

[Buck Sexton]

What do you think of this?

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this is unacceptable. It's shameful. It's shameful to. To interrupt a public gathering of Christians in worship. But there were. Folks will say, I have to take care of my flock.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen, we live in a. There's a constitution in the First Amendment, freedom of speech and freedom to assemble and protest.

[Clay Travis]

We're here to worship.

[Buck Sexton]

We're here to worship Jesus because that's.

[Clay Travis]

The hope of these cities, that's the hope of the world, is Jesus Christ.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to be very respectful. Please don't push me, though.

[Clay Travis]

We're here. We're here to worship Jesus. That's why we're here. Okay? That's why we're here. That's what we're about.

[Buck Sexton]

Don't you think Jesus would be understanding? And we're about love, these folks. We're about spreading the love of Jesus. But did you try to talk to them as they. As a.

[Clay Travis]

No one is willing to talk, Okay? I have to take care of my church and my family. So I asked that you actually would also leave this building.

[Buck Sexton]

You don't want us to worship unless.

[Clay Travis]

You'Re here to worship. I'm always worship.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm a Christian.

[Clay Travis]

We're here. Well, we're here to worship. We're here to worship.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, thank you very much. Don Lennon is a degenerate. But put that aside. You know, he's, he's always been somebody who's only about himself. Okay? He, I, I, I remember him from cnn. The fact, clay, that he sits in this or stands in this church and is having this conversation with this individual. This is someone who is, he had his shot at X. It's all about him. Right? It's all about whatever he wants to do whenever he wants it. He doesn't know anything. The Constitution doesn't give you a right to be. It's private property, actually. You have been trespassed. Now you are breaking the law. You do not have a First Amendment right to go into private property and mob people and menace them. Don Lemon is a joke.

[Clay Travis]

I, yes, and if you're, think about it, Don Lemon is probably approaching 55, 60 years old would be my guess.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I, he's in his 60s.

[Clay Travis]

Okay.

[Buck Sexton]

He's older than you would think. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

So Don Lemon has done media for decades. Wouldn't you think that you would have a basic understanding of the First Amendment to lecture a minister in the midst of his service?

[Buck Sexton]

59. 59. There you go.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so to lecture a minister in the midst of his service, that this is about the First Amendment. Look, I think the First Amendment is probably one of the most misunderstood rights that exist in all of America. But you hit on it. There are all sorts of restrictions. You don't have the right. Someone can't just storm into where we're doing this show right now in the midst of the studio, be a bad idea.

[Buck Sexton]

I got, I got a lot, I got a lot of things in this.

[Clay Travis]

Room they don't want to mess. But, but you don't have their time and place restrictions and content neutral applications of speech. You don't have the right to show up in a private venue and start to lecture them with your First Amendment rights. I mean, this is, first of all, they're trespassing.

[Buck Sexton]

First off, they're trespassing. Ok, so the same way that if you're in a restaurant, you start a fight. Yeah. You might have been welcome when you walked in. But the moment that the people who own the place, own the venue say you need to leave and you don't, you are trespassing. That's why the cops will show up and arrest you for trespassing.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I mean, imagine if you're in a bar or restaurant, leave aside the church, and you walk in and you start chanting in the midst of the venue. They're going to be able to remove you. I mean, we talked a lot about this with the First Amendment protests on college campuses. You don't have a right to put a tent down. You don't have a right to take over a campus quad. And so the fact that this is what they believe is going to bring people to their side and is, I think, evidence of just how disconnected they are from the reality.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think that's even what they're trying to do, though. This reminds me, clay, of Trump 1.0 administration, when, remember, the maniacs would chase after people from the administration in restaurants. They would find the, like, ICE director of the time or they would find Ted Cruz.

[Clay Travis]

That's faded. But, yes, they were like, get in their face. You shouldn't be able to eat at these restaurants.

[Buck Sexton]

But my point is that they're not. They're not trying to change anybody's mind. They're acting out, they're throwing a tantrum, they're harassing people. Do you think anyone in this church who is there to worship God, do you think anybody is sitting there thinking, wow, I never really thought about the plight of the Somalis in this community until now. But given the really excellent. I mean, the guy's like, mocking everyone's name. By the way, I'm sure there are people in there who have all kinds of their own problems, financial and personal. They're in a church, the one place that they think they can come together in the community and be saved, and they have some idioc like, you're sitting here drinking latte, so comfortable. That guy is a belligerent Marxist malcontent. The base, unfortunately, of the Democrat Party.

[Clay Travis]

Well, to your point, also, there likely are many people, I would imagine, in that church who voted for Tim Walsh or who have voted for Mayor Fry. So the idea that you're somehow confronting all of these Trump supporters by walking into church is just flagrantly untrue as well.

[Buck Sexton]

They're not trying to convince these people. They're using these people. Right? That's the whole point, is they want this exchange. They know no one in that church, no one in that church is going, oh, wow, that's a really compelling point you made, interrupting my church service. Now, I'm with you. Let's go march in the streets and, like, block ICE from doing their operations. No, they're intentionally inflicting emotional distress on this group. They're obstructing their proceedings. They're trespassing so that they can get these videos and that don Lemon can be talked about for the first time in like two years.

[Clay Travis]

Well, we're going to play more of these cuts because I do think it's significant. And team, I don't believe Tim Walls and Jacob Fry tweet about everything. The governor and mayor both in Minneapolis.

[Buck Sexton]

Not a word in defense, not one.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Things continue to heat up in Minneapolis, where it is ironically quite cold, and now you have the Democrat left mobilizing on the streets. We just talked about what they did in the church service, which was appalling. And, you know, it's interesting, Clay, we actually can be consistent on this stuff. I would never advocate for conservatives to disrupt a religious service because we had some issue that was. It's just, it's not the time and the place.

[Clay Travis]

It's disrespectful.

[Buck Sexton]

And they do it to be disrespectful. See, that's what you have to remember. It's not, oh, we had no choice, but this. No, they choose to disrupt a religious service because they want to spit on Christianity. They want to spit on people who are trying to go about their day and worship God and not pretend that they're some kind of social justice warriors. Then there's this, though. The Trump administration's not backing down at all in any of this, which is excellent to See, because I do think that BLM in the first Trump administration unfortunately got a little out of hand and Trump wasn't able to quell it very quickly. And there was a period of a few weeks there after George Floyd where the administration was caught flat footed. Just I observed, I said it, then I observed it. They were not doing enough. Not the case in this time around. They recognize what's going on. The fact that CNN is reporting this is cut one. That the FBI is opening an investigation into Renee Good's widow. Play cut one.

[Clay Travis]

Breaking news just coming in. CNN is learning that the FBI briefly.

[Buck Sexton]

Opened a civil rights investigation to the.

[Clay Travis]

ICE agent who shot and killed 37 year old Renee Good in Minneapolis.

[Buck Sexton]

But the bureau then switched the probe.

[Clay Travis]

To focusing on whether the agent was assaulted. The investigation is now centering on Good's actions and those around her as well as those of her widow Good.

[Buck Sexton]

They should pardon the expression there, but they should be looking into everything that happened here. They should investigate it like they would any other lethal force incident.

[Clay Travis]

Also pointing out, at least based on what I've seen from Julie Kelly, these, these two women were not married. So even the use of the phrase widow, they were never actually married. So they're trying to make it seem as if she's a victim. But, but maybe we can grab the audio of her yelling drive, baby, drive. Something like that is my recollection from the camera that was, that was carried by the ICE agent. They had Buck a front page profile of the ICE agent in the New York Times identifying him by name, his entire background, everything about him. I now am of the opinion that you shared, which is President Trump should invite him to the State of the Union at this point because they have outed him to such an extent that I think there's no ability for him to hide anymore. Full name, his entire employment history. He's a veteran, not surprisingly, of the armed forces. He lives in the Minneapolis suburbs. So they have doxed him effectively. Every detail about him on the front page of the New York Times over the weekend.

[Buck Sexton]

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Welcome back in Clay. Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW okay, let's kind of fill you in a bit more on some of these details. Friend of mine from Minneapolis texted me after the open of the show and he pointed out something that I do think is important. In addition to the fact that it was unacceptable the way that the church service was interrupted by these protesters. We have talked about a great deal. Buck Minneapolis CHURCH SERVICE those kids were murdered just a few months ago for the start of the school year by a crazy trans shooter who showed up and intentionally targeted that Minneapolis area church. And so apprehension and nervousness is running at a high level already, I would imagine, in many Minneapolis area churches. So when you have these protesters who are uninvited storm in amidst the church service, the whole concept is added with the complexities and the fear and the danger. In fact, you can see some of those kids crying during the course of this storming of the church where you go to feel safe and that has continued to take away from the safety. So I do think the context of Minneapolis church services feeling under siege and endangered is a huge part of this story and the way that it was likely to have been endured and experienced by everyone that was in that church service. A couple of other things I asked the team to pull. There's talk that Renee Good's partner, according again to Julie Kelly, they were not married. So this is not a widow that her partner is being investigated. I believe we have pulled the audio. She yelled on video drive, baby, drive. I wanted to play that for you guys. That was in many ways, it seems, the instigating factor, the command that led her, her partner to refuse to accede to the commands of the ICE agents. Listen to that. You want to come at us? I said, go get yourself some lunch, big boy.

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[Clay Travis]

You can hear her there, drive, baby, drive. As her partner takes off. And that then led to the shooting that led to the injury to the, to the ICE agent. So I do think you could investigate her for instigating this incident as well as herself refusing to accede to the commands of an ICE agent.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, of course they have to investigate this. There was a fatal shooting and it's procedure for there to be, as it should be procedure, a full and thorough accounting for what happened. And they have to do that in an official capacity. So that means all of the elements of this, that's what justice requires. And that's true even in the most clear cut case of lawful use of force by the officers. So there's going to be an investigation. There has to be an investigation. And that this other person who was very clearly involved is a part of that. Now, will there be charges against her? That's a different question. But will it be clear what role she played in this and what all the facts were? We have to get to that place, Clay, because you can, as you pointed out, they're sharing information about this guy in an effort to make him a villain and intimidate him and ruin his life and his families. Yes, and put them under threat. That is what they are doxing. The New York Times doxed an ICE officer. They gave far more information and background on him than they need to. But they, they send a message by doing this. Of course. Right. Part of this is about this one guy. Part of it is everybody else involved in ICE enforcement operations has to go, do I want my kids seeing, you know, death threat emails on my, on my screen? I want my kids to be, you know, yelled at in school by lunatic teachers or whatever it may be.

[Clay Travis]

We mentioned potential criminal charges. Team has looked it up, among other things, the Freedom of Access to Clinic entrances Act. The FACE act is a US law enacted in 1994. I'm going to be candid with you guys. I have not had any experience in this law or in really analyzing it in any kind of significant way from a legal perspective to know exactly how often it has been applied in cases such as these. But in theory, it prohibits the use of force, threats or physical obstruction against individuals seeking to obtain or provide services relating to reproductive health clinics and places of worship. It aims to prevent violence and intimidation against patients and providers in these settings. Buck. We have seen the Biden administration prosecuted aggressively people who protested outside of abortion clinics, anyone who was standing on the corner outside. They prosecuted a lot of people. And some of those cases went viral because There were incidents of violence between people who were protesting outside. So the Biden administration aggressively utilized this in order to be able to. To do this. And so there is the potential Harmeet Dhillon, who we have had on this program several times. She is investigating. As the head of the federal Civil Rights Division inside of the Trump administration, she has already posted that they are aggressively investigating this incident in particular. In fact, Ali, let's reach out to them and invite her to come on the program to talk in a general sense about that investigation, not specifically charges that might be brought, but just how an investigation such as those may be played. Now, Don Lemonbuck, feeling nervous. He is now saying, well, this was just journalism by me. All I did was follow these protesters. I didn't even know what was going to happen. As he is being ridiculed for his misapprehension of the First Amendment and also for storming into the church himself. Cut five is Don Lemon saying, hey, I had no idea this was going to happen. That's a lie, because there is footage of him outside coordinating with these protesters so that he is there to follow them as they storm into this church. This is Cut five.

[Buck Sexton]

I have no affiliation to that organization.

[Clay Travis]

I didn't even know they were going.

[Buck Sexton]

To this church until we followed them there. We were there chronicling protests. Once the protest started in the church, we did an act of journalism, which was report on it and talk to the people who were involved, which included the pastor, members of the church, and members of the organization. That's it. It's called journalism. First Amendment, all that stuff. All of you people who believe in the First Amendment, absolutist. There you go. So why don't you talk to the actual person who is in charge of the organization and whose idea it was to have the protest at the church before you start blaming me for stuff.

[Clay Travis]

Which you have now, he's running scared. So, first of all, he's moved from the First Amendment, protects these protesters rights to intimidate, shut down an actual church service in a private setting where they were not in invited. You actually heard the pastor say, unless you're here to worship, then can we continue with this? And now he's saying, actually, I was just here by chance, basically, and I happen to follow these protesters into the church. Now, I do think as a journalist, he has more protections than the protesters do because he can argue to be fair to him, hey, I was following these protesters in.

[Buck Sexton]

Didn't work on January 6th.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that. I'm just saying this is a intriguing case in Many ways, because, you know, again, he is going to argue. I was just there as a journalist to chronicle it. But it's a very different and subdued lemon compared to the guy who was there lecturing the. The church minister during the middle of the service in the inside of the church to now saying, oh, I just happened to follow these protesters in. Unfortunately, look, he was part and parcel of the entire protest.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not even sure what kind of a church this is. Team, if you can look it up for me, I'm curious what denomination. I would just say, though, this is clearly a pastor, not a priest. So I don't think it's a Catholic church. If I were somebody who was attending service in this place, I'd be very proud of my pastor because I think.

[Clay Travis]

He handled it about as well.

[Buck Sexton]

About as well as you possibly could. He was respectful but firm. He didn't get, you know, he wasn't intimidated. He made it clear they were not welcome there. And so I. I'm just saying, if I were somebody who was showing up in the pews to hear from this guy every week, I would really think, you know, that he does care about his flock, as he put it, and. And he does actually want to do the right thing by his people who want to worship God with him. So, you know, I. I would be proud of him if I were in that church or, you know, in that congregation. In terms of the Face Act, I. I think it's a flagrantly unconstitutional and preposterous law in the first place. The notion that there's some special protection for this one so called medical procedure that if you, you know, slow somebody down from getting their abortion, you can go to prison for years is crazy. You know, it should be treated like trespassing or whatever. In any other context there's. Because as we know, there is no federal constitutional right to abortion. So I wonder how this thing even continues. But they've sent Clay under the Biden administration. I think they sent someone to prison for nine years for a Face act violation.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, they went after people aggressively.

[Buck Sexton]

Long. Yeah, a long time. And this is a law that absolutely should not stand. But it just goes to show you how much they privilege. On an ideological basis, if you block access to abortion, you're treated like an Al Qaeda terrorist. Remember, block access, like slow people down from getting around you, you're treated like an Al Qaeda terrorist. But if you do something like this and you're really menacing and threatening people during a church service, they'll expect nothing to happen by the way it's a Southern Baptist church, city's church. So there you go, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

That's where I was raised. Back home team for Clay over back in the day, went to a lot of Southern Baptist church services. Never had protesters interrupt our church service. That I can remember.

[Buck Sexton]

One thing we didn't. I started. Hands up. Don't shoot.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, they still.

[Buck Sexton]

Still saying this. Everyone knows that. That's not even what happens. The whole thing is a lie. The whole thing is a. Is a figment of the left's imagination.

[Clay Travis]

According to Eric Holder and Barack Obama.

[Buck Sexton]

And Barack Obama and all the black eyewitnesses. There were black eyewitnesses that the DOJ thoroughly met with, talked to, got their statements, and you know, Mike Brown had just robbed somebody, big shock. And then didn't want to deal with the cops. And he charged an officer thinking that he could get away with it. And he was wrong.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, that's what happened.

[Buck Sexton]

That's what the DOJ said.

[Clay Travis]

The entire fabric of the beginning of BLM back in Ferguson was based on a lie. Based on. You don't have to take it from my word or Buck's word, based on the Barack Obama Department of Justice, which investigated it. A bit of additional. I actually think this is fascinating and maybe there's people out there that are more experts in this than I am. In fact, I'm sure there are some people out there. There is a Facebook post where the organizer of this protest thanks Don Lemon for coming with them on the protest. To what extent? And I don't know the answer to this, so I would be fascinated to hear from people who may have prosecuted or been involved in cases like these. If a journalist knows that something that violates the law is going to occur and then accompanies the people who are violating the law to chronicle it, does the journalist still have protection legally? Because there's a difference. I would argue, again, this is the lawyer in me. And if Don Lemon is just on the street and he sees somebody doing something, in other words, you follow.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the difference between an observer and a participant.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

I've observed and reported on back in.

[Clay Travis]

The day, Occupy Wall Street.

[Buck Sexton]

Occupy Wall street and many other left wing protests as well. And I was standing there, not blocking cops, not breaking laws, videoing and photoing what was going on. But I wasn't actively. You know, it's. You do cross this line where if you're chanting with. If you're a participant in it, if you're holding a placard for them, are you still a Journalist. This is where it gets.

[Clay Travis]

Also, if you know someone is going to commit a crime in advance and you choose to follow them and in some way participate, that's where the thing would become. If you're.

[Buck Sexton]

If you're helping them in some way, that becomes conspiracy.

[Clay Travis]

Right. No, I mean, I. I think it's.

[Buck Sexton]

Super fascinating, but if you're just observing them.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

I think then you have a, you know, a right to be present and observe. But it gets interesting.

[Clay Travis]

This is actually where Don Lemon, being a moron, might work to his defense, because he might be able to argue, I had no idea storming a church was a violation of law.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think that I'd have to see, trespassing is the crime that they obviously commit the moment they don't leave when they're told to leave. Now you're trespassing. Passing. Right. And we all. This is like the very basis of private property. If you can't tell someone who walks on your lawn, get off my lawn, you don't really own it. Right. So. But I don't think that. I think they could argue, Clay, that because the church is open to all their initial presence there and how long did they stay isn't a violation of law. Right. And no, we're talking about trespassing. Unless you're a J6 trespasser, you're not treated like Al Qaeda, thrown in some, you know, horrible hellhole cell and told that you're never going to see the light of day again. That's only for. That's only for J6 trespassing. All other trespassing, trespassing in favor of pulling down the pillars of Western civilization because you're upset that some Somalis who are here illegally might get deported. The left loves that. That's the best kind of trespassing.

[Clay Travis]

Well, and again, this is where you get into the weeds on how exactly the law would be contextualized and what charges might be brought and how it would be characterized. I think Don Lemon, the fact that he's backing backtracking already and saying, oh, I didn't have any idea what was going to happen. So you showed up in the parking lot of a church, and you didn't know where the people in the parking lot of the church were headed. I think that's a little bit tough of an argument to make. But again, to what extent it is a crime, I think is a legal. Legal kind of art form.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

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