Hour 1 - Your Money is Being Stolen

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 1 - Your Money is Being Stolen

Date: January 9, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Overview

In this first hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into a whirlwind of political, cultural, and economic issues gripping the nation. With their signature blend of analysis, humor, and direct commentary, they tackle headline topics including government fraud and waste, border and cartel violence, social justice protests, the economic outlook for 2026, U.S. policy on Iran, and law enforcement challenges in Minneapolis and across America. The tone remains urgent but irreverent, with moments of banter and reflection breaking up serious news.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Crime, Border Issues & Societal Breakdown

(02:14 – 04:10)

• Buck reviews the story of a border patrol shooting involving a gang member in Portland, Oregon—characterized as an example of urban decay in progressive cities.
• Portland was once in contention for a Major League Baseball team, but that opportunity has reportedly shifted to Salt Lake City due to the city’s decline post-COVID and ongoing drug crises.
  Quote:
  "They have effectively started to lose big symbolic things such as a Major League baseball team...just because Utah is not as crazy as Oregon.” — Clay Travis (03:15)

2. Protest Culture & Escalating Rhetoric

(04:10 – 05:10)

• Discussion shifts to recent protests in Foley Square, echoing the days of "Occupy Wall Street." The hosts condemn leftist protesters for chanting threats against officials, labeling it a sign of social degeneration.
• Reference to “Kristi Noem will hang” chants, highlighting dangerous rhetoric.

3. Trump, Cartels & Tough Foreign Policy

(05:10 – 07:00)

• Trump signals potential U.S. strikes against Mexican cartels. Buck describes the move as "spicy," neither explicitly endorsing nor opposing it.
• They suggest previous U.S. policies were too lenient and that direct confrontation may be overdue.

4. Government Fraud: “Your Money is Being Stolen”

(07:00 – 10:18)

• A core segment features a bombshell from the Treasury Secretary: The GAO estimates $300–600 billion in annual government fraud—almost 10% of federal spending. Buck and Clay underscore how recapturing this would massively benefit the GDP. Quote:
  “…there is somewhere between 3 and 600 billion of annual fraud. Roughly 10% of government spending that disappears due to fraud. If we can recapture that, that is 1 to 2% of GDP.” — Treasury Secretary, clip played by Clay/Buck (approx. 06:38)
• Clay forecasts potentially record-setting GDP growth and a "Trump boom" for 2026, but notes economic optimism always lags public sentiment.

5. Iran Unrest & Failed Foreign Policy

(10:18 – 14:28)

• The hosts review recent protests in Iran, driven by economic collapse and government repression, pointing out how Trump’s sanctions crippled Iran far more effectively than Obama or Biden's diplomatic overtures.
• They argue that “being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea” and that only pressure yields results. Quote:
  “Being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea. They are bad guys doing bad things, and the only way to deal with them is pressure and pain from policy.” — Clay Travis (11:29)

6. Minneapolis, ICE Shooting & Political Theater

(14:15 – 22:31)

• Conversation turns to the “worst mayor in the Midwest,” debating whether that’s Brandon Johnson or Minneapolis’ Jacob Frey. They dwell on the recent ICE-related shooting, asserting that video evidence and lack of a racial angle will limit the protest movement’s traction.
• The hosts criticize left-wing double standards about police shootings and activist martyrdom:
  Quote:
  "Leftists just can’t get that upset about a white person being killed...That’s their moral failing, not ours.” — Clay Travis (15:18)

7. Interview Clip: Identity Politics on Display

(20:25 – 21:33)

• Play a street interview from the Minneapolis protest. The protestor expresses reluctance to show emotion as a privileged “white woman.” Quote:
  "I feel like white tears are not always something that’s helpful or necessary when black and brown people have been experiencing this…” — Anonymous protestor (20:38)
• Clay and Buck lampoon the phrase “white tears,” calling it a product of Marxist jargon and evidence of a "broken" mindset.

8. Minneapolis Violence, Leadership, and Data

(22:31 – 29:11)

• Buck and Clay dissect Minneapolis crime stats, noting homicide rates have doubled since the George Floyd protests, undermining BLM narratives.
• Mock Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey for manipulating data and deflecting blame to ICE agents:
  Quote:
  "50% of the shootings that have happened thus far in Minneapolis this year have been ICE...” — Jacob Frey, played and critiqued (26:20)

9. Broader Breakdown of Political Talent

(29:11 – 32:36)

• The hosts debate the intelligence (or lack thereof) of Democratic political leaders: Obama, Biden, Harris, Tim Walz. They compare them unfavorably with rising Republican stars J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio.
• Running meme: each new Democratic VP pick is “dumber than the one before.”

10. Chuck Schumer & Law Enforcement

(32:36 – 36:59)

• Clip of Chuck Schumer criticizing ICE’s presence in U.S. cities:
  Quote:
  "We should not have ICE agents patrolling our streets. They’re not needed. They create chaos and they even create deaths." — Chuck Schumer (34:28)
• Buck and Clay critique this, pointing out the inherent danger in police work and arguing that blaming law enforcement—rather than lawbreakers—will only embolden criminals.

11. Lawful Compliance and Police Shootings

(36:19 – 37:16)

• The hosts share advice to comply with police orders to avoid escalation or tragedy, emphasizing their stance as “anti-death.”

12. Minneapolis Crime Data & BLM’s Impact

(41:12 – 43:03)

• Buck summarizes Minneapolis’ murder statistics: murders nearly doubled post-George Floyd/BLM era—from 48 in 2019 to 94/95 in 2020 and 2021.
  Quote:
  "...Minneapolis has become the cultural flashpoint in many ways of the woke mind virus in this country. In 2019, Minneapolis had 48 murders. In 2020 and 2021...the murder rate effectively doubled..." — Buck Sexton (41:12)
• Their conclusion: BLM activism resulted in greater rates of Black deaths, not fewer.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the decay of progressive cities:
  "They have effectively started to lose big symbolic things such as a Major League baseball team [in Portland]..." — Clay Travis [03:15]
• On government waste:
  "...there is somewhere between 3 and 600 billion of annual fraud. Roughly 10% of government spending that disappears due to fraud..." — Treasury Secretary (clip) [06:38]
• On weakness in foreign policy:
  “Being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea. They are bad guys doing bad things, and the only way to deal with them is pressure and pain from policy.” — Clay Travis [11:29]
• On protest identity politics:
  "I feel like white tears are not always something that's helpful or necessary..." — Minneapolis protestor interview [20:38]
• On double standards in outrage:
  "Leftists just can't get that upset about a white person being killed. That's their moral failing, not ours." — Clay Travis [15:18]
• On BLM’s consequences:
  "BLM led to, interestingly and ironically and unfortunately, far more black people dying than would have died if BLM had never existed at all..." — Buck Sexton [41:12]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Portland/Urban Decay & Baseball: 02:14–04:10
• Fraud/Waste & Treasury Secretary: 07:00–10:18
• Iran Unrest & U.S. Policy: 10:18–14:28
• ICE Shooting/Minneapolis Protest: 15:03–22:31
• Protestor Interview (White Tears): 20:25–21:33
• Mayor Frey's ICE Shooting Spin: 26:17–28:17
• Schumer on ICE Agents: 34:28–36:19
• Police Compliance Advice: 36:19–36:59
• Minneapolis Homicide Stats & BLM Impact: 41:12–43:03

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Tone & Style

• The hosts maintain a sharp, blunt, often sarcastic and combative tone, with humor and pop culture references interlaced with data and anecdotes.
• Strongly critical of progressive policies, BLM, and “woke” culture, with repeated calls for accountability and realism in both economic and law enforcement policy.
• The episode balances grim news with moments of banter, personal advice, and optimism about the future (especially regarding economic outlook under prospective GOP/libertarian reforms).

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For New Listeners

This episode is densely packed with incisive commentary on the intersection of politics, law enforcement, and the economy. Clay and Buck meld real data, news clips, and cultural critique, making the episode an accessible yet hard-hitting primer on conservative skepticism toward the mainstream narrative on policing, urban woes, financial mismanagement, and global diplomacy.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show kicks off right now and we got a lot of news to talk about. It's also Friday, so we're just gonna have some fun too. Clay made me reminded me it's like Friday Buck, let's have fun. I say sir, your wish is my command.

[Buck Sexton]

It's been a hell of a crazy week, honestly, so let's have some fun.

[Clay Travis]

Headed into the weekend, Clay is El Capitan of fun. So we know that he likes the guy, likes to have a good time. So we're gonna dive into all this stuff and we'll take a lot of your calls and your talkbacks. Everything else, it's another day where we got to do it my friends. Let's do it right now. Dhs oh boy. Says border patrol agent fired a defensive shot after a driver linked to Trend Aragua tried to run over federal agents. Another vehicle attacking officers situation. This one I believe non fatal in the shooting, but another another time bullets fired and this one an illegal gang member. And guess what? In Oregon where this happened specifically I think it was southeastern Portland, which If you want a sense of the zombie apocalypse, my understanding, Clay, is you can go to downtown Portland day or night, and you'll see it. It's down there.

[Buck Sexton]

They mentioned this too, by the way, on Portland. We love. We need to get out to Portland at some point. We've got a great affiliate there. I know a lot of you feel like you're behind enemy lines. Buck, on the context of what would an impact of zombie apocalypse like Portland create? Portland was all set to get a major League baseball team. Now Salt Lake City is going to get. I really believe the Major League baseball expansion team might sound like a small thing, but since COVID and the drug overdose allowance and all of the collapse of downtown Portland, they have effectively started to lose big symbolic things such as a Major League baseball team. And now Salt Lake City is going to get it just because Utah is not as crazy as Oregon. Sorry to cut you off there, but I do think that's sort of a representative sample of how lost the city of Portland has become.

[Clay Travis]

So we've got that story to dive into. We've got Maniacs and Foley Square, where I remember 15 years ago covering the Occupy Wall street protests for the Blaze. They used to gather in Foley Square often. Some of the offshoots of that protest movement, Leftist Maniacs, Clay. They were chanting, quote, kristi Noem will hang, end quote. That is a very stupid thing to say and certainly a stupid thing to be chanting on video. Threatening violence against a cabinet official, a federal agent, that is. But it gives you a sense of the kind of people that show up at these protests. We'll discuss that. Trump saying. And I believe this was on a. This is with our friend Sean last night, right? It was on Hannity's show. I'm just seeing the headline here. Trump saying that the United States is going to conduct strikes against cartels in Mexico. Not to be confused with New Mexico, Clay, in Mexico, which is. That's going to get spicy if we start doing that. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying it's going to get interesting if we start trying to take out serious cartel members. And look, they've been poisoning Americans for decades. We got that, Clay. We've got Chuck Schumer throwing ice under the bus. No surprise there. More on the woman who was shot in Minneapolis. She was an Ice Watch warrior, is what they call this. Yeah, she's an activist and she was trying to obstruct law enforcement. That's become clear. I actually wanted to throw this into the mix though, just, just as a little bit of a, of a change up ties into Minneapolis, Minnesota. Clay Scott Bessant, one of the all stars of this administration has done a really good job both in the messaging, I believe, and on the policy side. And there's some really, there's some reasons to be very bullish about the economy. Listen to the Secretary of the treasury who is a very serious, very smart guy who can read a balance sheet, understands macroeconomics, understands finance at the highest level. Listen to what he says is the scale of straight up fraud with taxpayer dollars at stake in this country. Play cut one. I think that this may just be, it's a cold day outside, so this could be the tip of the iceberg here in Minnesota, but it's probably may not be as prevalent, but the dollars may be bigger and larger in other states. And just to put this in perspective for American taxpayers, for American families, the gao, the General Accounting Office believes that there is somewhere between 3 and 600 billion of annual fraud. Roughly 10% of government spending that disappears due to fraud. If we can recapture that, that is 1 to 2% of GDP. Clay up to $600 billion of fraud annually.

[Buck Sexton]

It's wild. And what he said. There is something that I think you need to start to focus on. I think we're going to get phenomenal fourth quarter GDP numbers. Now partly the GDP numbers are out of whack in the post Covid era because they shut everything down, then they opened everything back up. And so I really think you kind of have to toss out the 2020, 2021 numbers because they're a mess. Buck, there are some whisper numbers out there that we're going to hit five and a half percent GDP, maybe even 6% GDP in the fourth quarter. That's unprecedented levels of economic expansion. If we could hit 5 and a half or 6% of GDP as we roll into now the new year because obviously the numbers are looking back in terms of catching up. We're talking about budgets getting balanced in potentially rapid fashion because the overall tax rates that are brought in in conjunction with the tariffs and everything else, it's unprecedented the amount of growth that we could potentially be able to be firing on all cylinders associated with. So this is a number that I would tell everybody out there you should be paying attention to. I would also say this stock market continues to hit record highs. Stock market tends to look about six months or a year into the future. Wall street is expecting 2026 to be one of the greatest years economically that we have seen maybe ever in the history of the nation. And you mentioned this, and I think it's important to go back in time to February of 2020, that I would argue February of 2020 is the strongest economy this country has ever had in the history of its existence. And then Covid happened. If Covid hadn't happened, we were headed for unbelievable numbers. I mean, if you go back and look at the GDP growth, if you look at tiny inflation, mortgage rates that were basically non existent, I think we are setting up for a incredible Trump boom that a lot of people are not recognizing is going to happen. One of the challenges that I think of a communication perspective that the Trump team is going to have in 2026 is it takes a while for people to feel the ground moving in a positive direction economically for them. And, and I understand that, and that's particularly the case in the wake of the disastrous economic policies of Joe Biden. But you can seem out of touch when you say, hey, things are getting a lot better. And people say, well, wait, I don't feel it yet. It takes a lagging indicator for people to feel how good the economy was. And it actually took till about 20, 20, 2019 and Trump 1.0 buck for everybody out there to suddenly say, wait a minute, this economy is on fire. I really am super optimistic that we are headed for that as long as we can keep China from dropping a new remix virus back into the economic creation.

[Clay Travis]

Let's certainly hope so. Speaking of foreign situations, Iran is heating up right now, internally, a lot. And there's footage that's circulating of big protests in the streets now, maybe this go. You know, I'm very generally wait and see about all things Iran because we've been waiting and seeing for. I'm trying to do the math in my head right now.

[Buck Sexton]

40 years. 40, basically, yeah. 40 years.

[Clay Travis]

40 years of. Any day now. Any day now and not really. But there are indicators that the regime is under tremendous pressure. I would also note, Clay, remember when the Obama administration was in power and we were told the only way to pacify the Middle east and to calm things down was some grand bargain that allows Iran access to international banking, relieve sanctions, lets it continue traditional ballistic missile research and get close, very close, but not quite at a nuclear weapon level of nuclear research.

[Buck Sexton]

Remember all that?

[Clay Travis]

That was, that was completely insane and wrong. I mean, more importantly, it was wrong. I think everyone can see this. We blew up the Iranian. Well, the Israelis and then us blew up the Iranian nuclear reactors. No, World War III broke out. There weren't mass casualty terrorist attacks all over the world going to Sunni Arab Muslim allies in the region. Like, yes, I know things have changed a lot since 9, 11, but places, whether it's the Saudis or the Jordanians or any and all in between, to box Iran in was actually a smart strategy. That being basically, Clay. Being nice to the mullahs is an idiotic idea. They are bad guys doing bad things, and the only way to deal with them is pressure and pain from policy. There's no concessions we make that make them nice. That's. That was. That was a delusion that the Obama and Biden regimes instituted.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and look, I was reading again, it's kind of hard to see what's going on in Iran right now because they have completely shut down Internet and cell phone access basically in the entire part of the country. And we're moving up on 13 days of consecutive protests, which seem to be growing there. It's all fueled by economic anger. The rate of inflation has gone through the roof in Iran, and effectively their currency is valueless. And that is a direct result of the pressure that President Trump has brought to bear economically on that country. And I think it's even worse than what some people said. This will cause World War three. Thousands of American troops will die. That's what a lot of people said would happen if we attack their. Their nuclear capacities. It's actually not just that they were wrong about the awful results that might ensue. It's that actually it made us all safer. It actually was, I think, the prerequisite of there being some form of safety in the Middle East. In other words, you had to eliminate that danger from Iran and the theocratic rulers, the Ayatollah and company being able to have nuclear weapons in order for there to be peace capable of breaking out in the Middle East. And remember, remember, this is super significant. Pay attention to what people do, not what they say. Most of the countries in the Middle east actually supported Trump's strikes on Iran. The Saudi Arabia is. The uae, the Qatars. They may say publicly, oh, this is unacceptable. Privately, they're all saying to the United States and even Israel through back channels, hey, we support you on these attacks. We're all about this.

[Clay Travis]

We will get into more of this. And also the latest from the worst. Certainly the. I think we could say the worst mayor in the Midwest. Oh, no. Brandon Johnson. I was gonna say May. Jacob Frey's got fry.

[Buck Sexton]

Sorry. I think he. I think he worse. I think he may be Worse than Brandon Johnson. And this is tough, I hate to say it. It is a tough call.

[Clay Travis]

You know, it's like what's worth a heart attack? Get a hit by a car. I don't know. They're both really bad. These guys are both really bad mayors. So it's, it's a tough call. But we'll get into what's going on with the ICE situation. I think they're going to run out of steam on this. And I think a big part of it is there's video. The video shows what happened. The ICE agent had already been attacked and dragged by someone in a car doing something like this. And as you pointed out, she was.

[Buck Sexton]

A trained aggressor who wanted to provoke a reaction. Her partner was filming the whole thing like this was a setup. She didn't expect it would go this bad. And certainly we don't want, want anyone to die. We're anti death on this show.

[Clay Travis]

And she's white and deranged. Leftists just can't get that upset about a white person being killed. It's just true. I mean that's their, it's their moral failing, not our. They're the ones that make this distinction. Like, I think it's just terrible if a human being is killed under, you know, under circumstances where they shouldn't be anti death.

[Buck Sexton]

We want everybody to live as long as possible. Yeah, that's true. That's a strong take here for the start of the Friday show.

[Clay Travis]

We're anti death.

[Buck Sexton]

Nobody hates death. We don't care more than us who.

[Clay Travis]

Disagrees with us on that one. We do not like people losing their lives for no good reason. So. But we don't make distinctions based upon skin color on that. The left does. For a leftist in America today, if a black person is killed in a situation of any political implication or consequence, it is far bigger, a far bigger deal to them than when other people are killed. Just the truth involving law enforcement that that is the way that it is, as we know. Just look at all the, all the blm, blm, BLM doesn't get upset unless it's a person who is a person of, well, a black person specifically, not just a person of color. So that's why I think this is going to fizzle out a bit in the days ahead. But we'll see. All right, look, families that own rapid radios are ahead of the game. These are modern day walkie talkies that keep us all connected, particularly when you're impacted by a service disruption. What these small handheld devices can do is just awesome. Great audio quality, instant connection and nationwide coverage. Rapid Radio is operated on an LTE network nationwide, so you can connect with anyone virtually anywhere. Save up to 60% off their most popular models right now. Rapid Radios are designed to keep you connected wherever life takes you, on the road, in the wild, at work, not to mention keeping you in touch with family members far away, no contracts and a whole year of service included. Now is the perfect moment to experience why Rapid Radios are trusted by hundreds of thousands of customers and backed by over 15,000 five star reviews across the nation. Go to Rapidradios.com today and discover exclusive deals that won't last long. Elevate your connection, your experience. Rapidradios.com that's Rapidradios.com making America great Again.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show We are, by the way, going to head up to Minneapolis. She's on the ground. Becca Brecka Stoll, who works at the Daily Wire, is up in Minneapolis right now and she is going to join us at the top of the next hour. And she interviewed a woman. Do we have this interview that she did of a crazy woman? Let's play this to kind of give you a little bit of a preview of that. And also, we're going to be joined by Brianna lyman in the third hour. It's 250th anniversary of America's founding. Brianna came on a little bit ago. She is a super history nerd. Today is the 250th anniversary of the publication of Common Sense. So we will talk about that. We'll have some fun nerding out on that. But here's cut 3. Break a stole of the Daily Wire interviewing a woman at a protest.

[Clay Travis]

I'm just walking around kind of just dayside because I, I got, I was like, I don't know if it's the.

[Buck Sexton]

Right thing to do.

[Clay Travis]

It feels kind of wrong being here in some way. I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Why? Why, why do you think? Yeah, I don't know.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know, like, where that stems from. Like, I don't, I mean, part of it is being like a white woman, that I'm privileged and I have a lot of privilege. So I feel like white tears are not always something that's helpful or necessary when black and brown people have been experiencing this.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

For a long time.

[Buck Sexton]

I just, these people's brains are broken. Buck.

[Clay Travis]

But it's clay. It's like Marxist jargon, which I go into some detail about in my book Manufacturing Delusion coming out in about a month. This is trained like she's been trained to speak this way. No normal person says, I don't think that white tears are what, what is.

[Buck Sexton]

The concept of white tears is not something that a normal person, it's not a phrase that exists. The black tears exist. The brown tears is people.

[Clay Travis]

There's actually something that just should unite us all as human beings, which is that tears are sad and all human tears should be sad. But they've created a hierarchy, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So let's give you the latest on the Minnesota Ice shooting. I I do not think that this is going to continue to be something that the left mobilizes around beyond this weekend. I could be wrong, but I'm already getting the sense that the pieces are not what they need to be to even if they're going to misrepresent it, get what they want out of it. Right. It's never what the facts are.

[Buck Sexton]

It's.

[Clay Travis]

Are there enough facts in play that counter the narrative they want to create, that it takes just takes the heat out of the situation? I think we're pretty close to that. So that's a different level here than where they thought we would be. Here, though, is the mayor of. I mean, this guy, he is such a. He is such a loathsome coward. I There are so many other words, Clay, I would like to use, but it is a family show and we have FCC rules, so I cannot use those words. But all of you know what words I would like to use? Those are the words. This guy is the absolute worst to go and cry. Imagine showing up at a funeral for someone you don't know who happens to also have been a career felon, who happens to be somebody who held a gun at the belly of a pregnant woman during a home invasion and threatened to shoot her. George Floyd St. George Floyd. Now, if you're a lunatic Democrat, imagine going to someone's funeral like that. Clay. As a public figure and bending the knee and crying at the casket. What a.

[Buck Sexton]

Not only that. I mean, if you saw the footage of him dancing at the Somali events and I mean, I just so much the kids like to use the word cringe And I think it's kind of a perfect explanation of Jacob Fry. Everything about him is just indicative of us as a country often having the worst among us as political leaders. I mean, this guy is, you know, you've talked about this some on air and some off air. There are a lot of people that sadly are in positions of political prominence that couldn't be successful in the real world, in other jobs. And I look at him and I say, you know, the job pays $175,000 a year.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

To debase yourself and destroy a great American city in order to perpetuate lies. Can we have a more honest conversation about the entire George Floyd joke and the fact that they're trying to replicate it now? Because they want cities to burn and they want chaos and they want disorder. And the fact that Minnesota has become the cultural flashpoint of the collapse, I think, of sanity in America is, I know for many, many Minnesotans who are listening to us right now, you wouldn't have bet on this in the 80s. You wouldn't have bet on this in the 70s. I think Minnesota right now has the worst leadership and the craziest political trajectory of any state in America. Even worse than California, even worse than New York, even worse than Illinois. It's indefensible what has been allowed to occur there over the last eight or ten years.

[Clay Travis]

And Jacob Fry here, this is. Cut to here. He is saying. Now, keep in mind, when he said this, I guess it was January 8th. So there have been eight days in the calendar year so far.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

So this is the way this guy sets this up. Listen, listen.

[Buck Sexton]

To cut to.50% of the shootings that have happened thus far in Minneapolis this year have been ice. In other words, we've only had two shootings. One of them has been ice. We are a safe city. ICE is making it less so. We are a city of unity, but ICE is trying to divide us and tear us apart. For every one of the people that you see standing here behind me, they have more than a thousand people behind them. They have people that are committed to their neighbors, committed to integrity, committed to justice, and committed to getting the truth.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, Minneapolis, just so everyone can have a little reminder here, had almost 100 homicides in 2021 during the St. George Floyd reckoning. Almost 100. Now, that's. That doesn't sound like a lot by, say, New York City standards. How big is Minneapolis as a city? I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

What is it?

[Clay Travis]

Half a million people, maybe? Something I'm guessing it depends on sometimes.

[Buck Sexton]

Whether you're counting a county like the metropolitan area as a part of that.

[Clay Travis]

This is just the city. I think this is just a. From the Minneapolis City PD. So my point is, Clay. Yeah. 50% of the shootings, because it's like the year just started. And what does that even, what does that even mean? Why is that relevant here? If there was a cop that was involved in a shooting because, and it was a lawful shoot, there's no. What case is he making here that law enforcement can't protect themselves? I, I, I sit and I wonder who could vote for this guy and not understand that they are part of the problem, that this moron has ruined Minneapolis in every way that he can and really made it a place that people feel sorry for now. And there's no sense of remorse over this from him at all.

[Buck Sexton]

This is interesting. I'm pulling up on Grok, the overall data of murders.

[Clay Travis]

400,000, by the way. I wasn't that far 400,000 people in Minneapolis.

[Buck Sexton]

They had the 90s. They peaked at 97 homicides. And then it went down substantially and then spiked hugely after the 2020 George Floyd protests. And what I would say about it in general is, first of all, this is a perfect example of only we only have two shootings and 50% of them are from ICE. I would also almost guarantee that the rate of murder in Minneapolis overwhelmingly corresponds with summer skyrocketing. Right. In January. I bet the number of shootings that happen in Minneapolis because it's so cold and people are not out on the.

[Clay Travis]

Streets, you got to be really dedicated because you're gonna have to put on that ski park. You're gonna have to, you're gonna have to put the snowshoes on. Slows down the drive by a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

This is actually buck why I think there's not going to be a lasting result of the shooting. And by ice, first of all, it's justified and they're going to fight over it and it's going to continue to diminish, but it's super cold. And so I think the number of people that are going to be willing to get out in the streets in Minneapolis in January and protest is going to dwindle as the temperature is just brutal and you're going to be standing out there. So I think that's going to diminish. But yes, Look, I bet 75% of the shootings that take place, murders that take place in Minneapolis, I bet happen between May and October. I would just bet in the summer when kids are back out on the streets more so when people are moving around outside way more. In general, the number of murders all over the country is way lower in the winter than it is in the summer. But I bet it's on steroids that data when it comes to, to Minneapolis. So I, I just think this is, this is indicative of total failure that this guy is the, the leader and that his superior, to the extent you want to say it is Tim Walls. Tim Walls just not a smart guy, Buck. I mean he is not an intelligent. You, you just leave aside politics and compare watching Tim Walls respond to questions with JD Vance yesterday. There is 30 point IQ difference between JD Vance and Tim Walls, I bet maybe even more substantial.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that reminds us all of the VP debate. Remember where JD Ran such circles around Walls that you actually kind of felt maybe a little bad for Walls. And I think JD Felt a little bad for Walls. Guys just not, not up for the big stage in any meaningful way. And I think that Kamala and this came across as. I'm a chief commologist on the show. Kamala wanted Walls because she didn't want somebody that was clearly smarter and more capable than her, which would have been the mayor, I mean the governor of Pennsylvania. That's what that was. It actually wasn't. I don't want to be out, out shown or outshined or however you say that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. The downside here is, and I think this is. You may have seen the meme, but I think it's 100% accurate. Barack Obama said, I need a VP dumber than me. Joe Biden. Joe Biden said I need a VP dumber than me. Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris said I need a VP dumber than me. Tim Walls, every step since then, whatever you think of Obama, he's way smarter than Kamala, way smarter than Joe Biden, and way smarter than Tim Walls. On every step there, Democrats got dumber. And I think this is one big part of the Trump 2.0 that isn't getting talked about enough. Whatever you think about them, J.D. vance, Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth are all smart guys, way smarter than the average media member who is covering them. And obviously Trump is a smart guy too. But I think the intellectual heft of Marco, JD And Hegseth is probably higher than we have seen in a very, very long time. When it comes to the top echelon governmental leaders that we have, I think it's a big difference.

[Clay Travis]

Now Chuck Schumer is crafty. He's crafty for sure.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think Schumer's a dumb guy.

[Clay Travis]

That's what I say. He's not a dumb guy. But I'm not really sure what he thinks he's gonna. What he thinks he's gonna be able to do with this one. Here he is speaking out on this ICE shooting, saying that we shouldn't have ICE agents patrolling our streets. Play Ford. The bottom line is very simple. We should not have ICE agents patrolling our streets. They're not needed. They create chaos and they even create deaths. The mayor of Minneapolis didn't want them. So many other cities didn't. This is sort of Trump strutting around. But they don't belong in our cities, plain and simple. We need a full investigation here as to what happened. Think about this logic, Clay, applied to any other Law Enforcement Agency. U.S. marshals have a really good reputation among the law enforcement communities, I will say. And I used to work in a shared sort of co located fusion center with some. With some U.S. marshals. You know, they go after high threat felons, right? They'll go after people who have, you know, jumped, like, jump bail felon stuff like that. Basically, they do the manhunt stuff out there. Sometimes they have to go into a residence, guns drawn, kicking in the door, wrestling people, and sometimes they have to shoot. Now, is that their fault or is it the fault of the people who are the lawbreakers who have, you know, fled, you know, got. Whether they've escaped from prison or they've jumped bail or whatever it is they've done? Right? So my. My point here is, on ice, they're blaming law enforcement for enforcing the law and not the people breaking the law necessitating the law enforcement. I mean, you could do this with gang units. There are some very high profile gang units that have been deployed in the. The plainclothes, plainclothes unit in New York, which. Oh, gosh, I don't. I mean, de Blasio got rid of it or tried to get rid of it. I'm sure mom, Donnie will get rid of it. But, Clay, sometimes they have to tackle very bad people to the street, and sometimes that means they get a concussion or there's, you know, it's a scuffle and it's nasty, and occasionally they might have to draw their weapon and shoot somebody. Is that their fault, or is it the fault of the gang member felons that don't want to get caught?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And look, I think you can build even more on this Minneapolis situation, Buck, in that this is what they wanted to happen. They have been trying to provoke. They have been trying to create situations that lead to more violence. This is why, in the wake of the BLM stuff, I sat down with my boys, and I imagine most of you out there with your kids and grandkids. I said, look, I'm a lawyer. Sometimes a police officer might ask you to do something that you don't want to do or that you might be concerned about, you know, doing. Always listen to a police officer. They are imperfect. They may give you awful suggestions. But the way to ensure that we have less police shootings is actually just comply with police officer instructions. If that woman. First of all, she should have never been at the ICE event. But if that woman had just listened when that police. That ICE officer came up and said, roll down your window, open your door. If she had just listened to the police officer, the ICE official, there was none of this would have ever heard. If she had just complied with those instructions instead of trying to floor it and roar out of there after she blocked the. Parked her car perpendicularly and tried to impinge the ability to do the job there.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, if. If I. If I'm pulled over by a cop, I'm pulled over, let's say, by a state trooper on the side of the highway, and he says, get out of your car. And I get out of my car, and I quickly move my hands toward my waistband, and he says, show me your hands. Show me your hands. And I don't show him my hands. I keep reaching, and then I make a fast movement toward him. He's lawfully allowed to shoot me?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Because we cannot ask a state trooper or any cop or any law enforcement to wait until the bullet passes through their shoulder or their chest before they actually get to draw and use their weapon. That's just the way it is.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. Which is why. Comply. Comply. Comply. I'm a lawyer. If somebody does something that is an inappropriate, illegal search, seizure, whatever it is, you can challenge that in a court when you're alive. I just. I've said this for a long time. I've said it to my own boys. I would say it to your kids. I would say it to your grandkids. If a police officer asks you to do something, do it. Even if you think that is not what you would prefer to do. It's my advice to my kids. We can all. You can always get involved in legal proceedings, but just listen. If you're the type that holds on to every family memory, keepsake photo, videotape, get them digitized before they fade or disintegrate Legacy Box can do this for you super easy. Legacy box has 200 plus technicians hand transferring your old media onto digital files. I saw it myself. They have a fantastic facility in Chattanooga, my mom's hometown. I went and I walked through and I saw all of these great family memories being transferred onto digital files to exact exist forever. Legacy Box has done it for a million and a half families. You can go online to legacybox.com clay say 55 off when you preserve your past with Legacy Box, kiss off the new year, rescue your family's most cherished memories. Go to legacybox.com clay that website one more time legacybox.com clay for 55 off geek out with the guys on the Sunday. Hang with Clay and Buck. Podcast a new episode every Sunday. Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I asked Brock during that commercial break because I wanted to look up the data Minneapolis because again, I think Minneapolis has become the cultural flashpoint in many ways of the woke mind virus in this country. In 2019, Minneapolis had 48 murders. In 2020 and 2021, that is during the George Floyd protests. And the year after the George Floyd protests, the murder rate effectively doubled in Minneapolis. So Black Lives Matter has the nowhere in America are they more on the ground active than Minneapolis. And it led to more Black deaths, primarily 94 murders in 2020, 95 murders in 2021. So they doubled the number of murders that were taking place there. Last year, Minneapolis had 64 murders. So they still are up substantially on murders even five years after the George Floyd incident. So if you really want to kind of analyze what the impact was of blm, BLM led to, interestingly and ironically and unfortunately, far more black people dying than would have died if BLM had never existed at all because they decided police were the bad guys. Police weren't able to catch the actual bad guys and as a result, the murder rate skyrocketed all over the country. But Minneapolis in particular, with Jacob Fry as their mayor and with Minnesota being led by Tim Walls, they failed on an epic level. That's what the data reflects. When we come back, we'll go up to Minneapolis with Breca Stoll next.

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