Hour 1 - Zohran: Abolish ICE

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 1 – "Zohran: Abolish ICE"

Date: March 27, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Episode Overview

In this Friday episode, Clay and Buck launch into a fast-paced exploration of breaking political and cultural news. The main themes include Trump’s recent media appearances and comments, ongoing U.S.-Iran tensions, the Democrats’ renewed calls to abolish ICE, and the real-world impacts of illegal immigration on American cities. The hosts engage humor, skepticism, and political insight, often tapping into listener sentiment and the pulse of the MAGA base.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Call-In to The Five: Iran, LGBTQ Issues, and Internal Polling

Trump Speaks Out

• Trump claims, per CIA reports, that Iranian leader Ayatollah Mojtaba is “probably gay,” prompting an extended riff on LGBTQ issues and media narratives (04:10).
• Trump touts his support among LGBTQ voters and takes a jab at network polls, particularly Fox:

  “I did very well with the gay vote... No Republican’s ever gotten the gay vote like I did. And I’m very proud of it. I think it’s great. Perhaps it’s because I’m from New York City.” (Donald Trump, 07:34)

Iran Update

• Clay and Buck recap the fragile Iranian leadership post-attack, expressing skepticism about a manageable diplomatic partner emerging (04:56).
• They note a recent 3am congressional bill that will get TSA agents paid after a funding crisis, parallel to Trump’s willingness to use emergency powers.

2. Accusations of Media and Democrat Hypocrisy on Iran

• Trump claims Democrats are hoping for setbacks in Iran, using the situation to foment the idea of a MAGA “civil war” (10:12).
• Both hosts argue, and Trump agrees, that base support remains robust:

  “I think I’m more popular than I ever have been... MAGA loves the fact that they’re not going to have somebody with a nuclear bomb over their head.” (Donald Trump, 11:14)

• Clay: “He doesn’t sound concerned at all about any loss of support over what’s going on in Iran.” (12:04)

3. Real America vs. Social Media Perception

• Buck calls out the difference between social media outrage and the views of the real-world Republican base (12:32).
• Clay references past controversies (such as the Epstein case) as actual moments when listener backlash was real (13:46).

4. Email Hack of Trump Ally Cash Patel

• News breaks that former Trump official Cash Patel’s email was hacked, allegedly by Iranian actors (14:57).
• Clay and Buck reflect on double standards in media coverage of such leaks, referencing the Sony/North Korea hack and contrasting with Hillary Clinton’s case (21:22–23:09).

5. Democrats Revive "Abolish ICE" Rhetoric

• Hosts highlight New York City mayor Zoran Mamdani echoing the far-left’s “Abolish ICE” stance—a policy they trace back to AOC’s rise in 2018–2019 (25:40).
• They lampoon the emotional appeals ("kids in cages") popularized by Democrats in that era, suggesting Dems now live in a “consequence free world” regarding budgetary and immigration policy impacts (25:40–30:06).

Quote, Zoran Mamdani:

“ICE is a rogue agency... I believe that ICE is an entity that should be abolished.” (26:24)

6. The Real-World Impact of Mass Immigration

• Clay and Buck argue that New York City's vast hotel costs and busted budget are direct results of housing illegal immigrants (27:22).
• They reference how the Democratic Party has shifted from Bill Clinton–era immigration positions to current open-borders advocacy (30:20).

Memorable Exchange:

“No other country in the world has the kind of open borders that we do... 10 million in four years. Unprecedented.” – Buck (32:16)

• Discussion of welfare abuse: Buck claims “80% of Somali immigrants in Minnesota immediately go on welfare” (32:16).
• Both hosts reject claims that immigrants do the "jobs Americans won’t do" and critique the H-1B visa system as exploitative (36:20).

7. Housing and Labor Markets: The Supply & Demand Effect

• Clay highlights collapsing rents in red-state cities as illegal immigrants leave, tying improved housing affordability to reduced illegal immigration (37:50).
• Buck underscores basic economics:

  “Are you suggesting that supply and demand also affects housing and not just the labor market?” (38:44)

8. Listener Feedback: Affordability Tops Foreign Policy

• Caller Paul from South Carolina shifts the focus to affordability, insurance, and utility costs, expressing a desire for Trump to address domestic economic issues more forcefully (44:29).
• Clay affirms: “Affordability, the economy is ultimately going to be the deciding factor.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Trump on Iran & the base:
  “I think I’m more popular than I ever have been. Look, when he heard 100%, he said, I’ve never seen a poll like this, this is the craziest poll I’ve ever seen... they like that I’m protecting our country from lunatics with a nuclear weapon.” (11:14)
• Trump on LGBTQ support:
  “I did very well with the gay vote. Okay. I even had, I even played the gay national anthem as my walk off. Okay. And I think it probably helped me...” (07:34)
• Buck on left-wing politics:
  “The legacy media has been trying for a decade to argue, oh, Donald Trump has lost his base... That’s virtually never happened.” (12:32)
• Zoran Mamdani on ICE:
  “ICE is a rogue agency... I believe that ICE is an entity that should be abolished.” (26:24)
• Clay on New York hotels:
  “Eight hundred dollar a night hotel room... not the nicest hotel... that’s how tiny an $800 a night hotel room was in New York City last time I was there.” (27:22)
• On the myth of "jobs Americans won’t do":
  “If we had a functional American economy that paid everybody what fair wages would be, then we’d have a lot more Americans coming off the sidelines, I think, to work...” (Buck, 35:47)
• On supply and demand:
  “Are you suggesting that supply and demand also affects housing and not just the labor market?” (Clay, 38:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump’s call-in, Iran and LGBTQ issues: 04:09–08:15
• Trump’s remarks on Iran & base support: 10:12–12:04
• Media vs. Real America: 12:32–13:46
• Cash Patel email hack discussed: 14:57–23:09
• Democrats & “Abolish ICE”: 25:40–26:46
• Rant on the policy failures of open borders: 27:22–34:12
• Supply & demand in labor and housing: 37:50–38:44
• Listener call on affordability: 44:29–45:24

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Tone & Style

• Clay and Buck maintain humor, high energy, and a “barroom conversation” style, peppered with pop culture and Seinfeld references.
• Tone is part-combative, part-outreach: they challenge political adversaries but frequently address the audience directly, keen on reflecting the mood of their base.
• Dismissive of woke rhetoric and mainstream media; sharp critiques of Democrat policies.

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Summary for Listeners

This episode captures Clay and Buck in their element, bouncing from world affairs to on-the-ground American consequences of left-wing policies, with Trump never far from center stage. You’ll hear their unapologetically skeptical take on media narratives about both Iran and immigration, plus pointed arguments about how policy choices affect everyday Americans—especially around affordability, housing, and jobs. The episode is rife with quotable moments, sharp quips, and the sense that 2026’s key political storylines are already taking shape.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

bit of a wild ride.

[Clay Travis]

So that's probably a good way to introduce our first segment of the day. Trump called in to the Five, the program on Fox News with five people makes sense, who sit around and talk about the news of the day. And Jesse Waters asked a question that perhaps some Americans were thinking about before. He wanted to know about this Ayatollah or Ayatollah Junior Mojtaba, Little Mo, as Clay has declared him and Jesse. Mr. Waters at Fox asked Trump the following. I want you to listen in to our commander in chief.

[Caller or Guest]

Go ahead.

[Clay Travis]

Did the CIA tell you that Ayatollah Junior Is gay?

[Caller or Guest]

Well, they did say that, but I don't know if it was only them. I think a lot of people are saying that, which puts them off to a bad start in that particular country. You know, I sort of have to smile to myself when I say I see people trying to defend the Palestinian regime for women, women for Palestine, but they kill women. If you don't, if you don't wear certain cloth all over your face, you have no chance of living. And you know, when I look at Gays for Palestine, but they kill gays, they kill them instantly. They throw them off buildings. And I'm saying, who are the gays for Palestine?

[Clay Travis]

It's fair question. We, we, we've asked your other program, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, look, we still have not heard from Little Mo, the ostensible leader of the, of the Iran. Again, the reports are that he's severely injured, that he barely escaped death in the, the attack. We have not seen him on video. We've not seen any sort of written statement. We've only seen written statements. We haven't even heard audio. And look, the continued negotiations that are underway for what a ceasefire will ultimately look like in Iran are occurring in earnest. And again, to me, it feels like we have largely wiped Iran's military capabilities out. And now the question is to what extent can we decide that we're okay with a ruler that we're going to negotiate with? And Buck, we've talked about this on the program quite a bit and I would just continue to echo it. Everything is going really, really well in Venezuela and I believe that's because Delsey Rodriguez has been someone that the United States feels like they can have partnership with. Is there anyone in Iran that the United States could become convinced that we could have a partnership with? I don't know the answer. I suspect that is the biggest challenge that is going on right now is trying to figure out who is the leader that we could work with. Yes, they're probably still going to have to say America stinks and death to America and all of these aspects. But the reality is that's the biggest question I would say right now is who is that leader that we could work with? Um, and by the way, we should also mention, in addition to President Trump calling into the five, and we got a bunch of clips from that, there does seem to be some positive momentum on TSA agents being paid. It's a huge mess. Trump said he would use his emergency powers to do it. I suspect the Democrats would have challenged those emergency powers. But there was a bill passed at 3am this morning that in theory is going to get TSA agents paid. That is the, that is the absolute latest there as we are working through those two biggest stories I would say so far.

[Clay Travis]

Also, Trump not only noting that the CIA told him Mojtaba is probably gay or maybe gay. Trump wants everyone to remember that he actually did quite well with the gay vote. This was also from the 5 Play 2.

[Caller or Guest]

I did very well with the gay vote. Okay. I even had, I even played the gay national anthem as my walk off. Okay. And I think it probably helped me, but I did great with no Republicans ever gotten the gay vote like I did. And I'm very proud of it. I think it's great. Perhaps it's because I'm from New York City.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

It is interesting that the two, I believe highest ranking cabinet members who are gay in the history. I mean, and again, I don't care about whose people, what people's sexuality is. I care whether or not they're going to do a good job like Trump

[Clay Travis]

was basically like much Thomas gay. Not that there's anything wrong with.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right. That's exactly what he was saying. For those of you who are old school Seinfeld fans, that was one of the great Jerry and George conversations back in the day. Scott Bessant is, I believe, the highest ranking official who is gay, who happens to be gay in the history of the United States. And as Treasury Secretary, it seems to me that he's done a pretty phenomenal job, but his sexuality is not that important to his ability to do the job. Now, since we're talking about gay people, my good friend and your good friend Mayor Pete, every time I see a poll buck on Democrat 2028 presidential contenders, Mayor Pete is either getting 1, 2% or 0% support from the black community. It is the case that while Democrats like to accuse Republicans of being homophobic, the reality is the most anti gay element of any political coalition right now in the United States. Black guys are not voting for gay people and Mayor Pete has no chance to get the black vote at all. And every time you look at the numbers, white people love Mayor Pete. Mayor Pete's going to do great in Iowa, he's going to do great in New Hampshire, and then he's going to get down to the south where lots of black voters are part of the primary season. And he's going to get no votes in South Carolina, no votes in Tennessee, no votes in Alabama, Georgia, all these different states that are significant when it comes to propelling the eventual Democrat nominee to that nomination. So I, it is funny when you just think about it and, and we'll see what ends up happening as the 2028 aspects start to play out. But again, while Trump gets accused of being homophobic, the actual data reflects that the most homophobic part of any political party is actually black voters.

[Clay Travis]

And now we have Trump also addressing from that call into the five addressing two things, really. One is the, the Democrats clearly want things in Iran to go badly and that has not happened in the way that they would like to, which is a, is a bleak thing to say, but it is a true thing to say. Also, they want to feel like there's a MAGA civil war underway where Trump's base is fleeing from him over this. If that were happening, we would know, Clay and I would know because you would tell us because you are overwhelmingly MAGA base. Not all of you, some of you are Democrats. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but generally we have a very MAGA base here. And I'm not getting a lot. And you're not getting a lot, Clay. Right. Even offline, off the show of People, Trump is saying, look, I'm not bothered by any of this. This is cut three. Trump is claiming he's like, I think I'm more popular with Republicans with the base than I've ever been.

[Caller or Guest]

Play it with most powerful military nation in the world. And we did a big number on him. And our people like it because they don't want to see us. 100% think of it. 100% in a CNN poll. A CNN poll. Which are the worst polls. Almost as bad as FOX polls. I hate FOX polls. Honestly, whoever does your polls are terrible, but were very popular. I mean, what can I say? MAGA loves the fact that they're not going to have somebody with a nuclear bomb over their head. I think I'm more popular than I ever have been. Look, when he heard 100%, he said, I've never seen a poll like this is the craziest poll I've ever seen. It was 100% of the people. And the reason is they like that I'm protecting our country from lunatics with a nuclear weapon. All.

[Clay Travis]

All there laid out by Trump himself. Clay, he doesn't sound concerned at all about any loss of support over what's going on in Iran. And as I was saying, I don't think you and I have felt that there's any loss of support in large numbers. I mean, maybe 10% of MAGA has some concerns, but it's not this thing that is a cleavage in the overall America first movement that Democrats have been trying to push and, and some people on the right are trying to push.

[Buck Sexton]

I think in many cases it's important to remember what social media likes and what the real world likes. And very often those are profoundly different. And I think it's one of the reasons that the Democrat Party has so lost its way, because the online left is super ascendant and powerful when it comes to social media. And I think that Republicans have to be careful in recognizing when people are representing the larger coalition right of the Republican Party and when they are doing things that are very popular online that do not translate off of it. And so understood simultaneously with that should be that the legacy media has been trying for a decade to argue, oh, Donald Trump has lost his base. Oh, Donald Trump is never going to be able to recover from this. His base is not with him. That's virtually never happened. The only thing I could even think of that has been a challenge to Trump is his administration's candidly swinging a miss with a lot of the way that they handled the Epstein case and Other than that, I've never really seen any sort of negativity from the actual Trump base.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I think that's a perfect example, or rather that that goes right in the, the evidence file of there isn't some, some anger in the MAGA base because when that happened we had lit phone lines, the whole show upset about it. And people were saying, and rightly so, with the influencer thing and the, the binders and the Epstein files and all that, people were like, this is not what was promised. This is clown show. We're unhappy. I would say the calls in support and I know this isn't a scientific poll, but basing it on what we see here day in and day out and what the team is picking up from all of you, 10 to 1, it's really more 10 to 1 trust that Trump will make the right decisions to see this Iran situation through. They're not even getting into the specifics of oh, should we take carg island or not, or no, no, they think that Trump is going to see this through appropriately in the best interest of the American people and they are not overly concerned that there's going to be some huge blowback from this or anything else. I think that's what we've picked up. It's certainly what Trump says he's seeing in all of this. So some interesting, interesting tidbits offered up there from his call in to THE five, including his thoughts on Mochtaba.

[Buck Sexton]

I love the most thoughts. I also love that he took a direct shot at Fox's polling on the most popular show on Fox because he has been going after Fox News for their polling related stories for a very long time and it is pretty, pretty funny to watch that happen. So we will continue, by the way, open phone lines, 800-282-2882. But I do believe that, that we will start to get more firm resolution as it pertains to the situation in Iran. One bit of news that we will talk about, Cash Patel's private email address. Buck has evidently been hacked and it probably is not going to surprise you. Iran is claiming that they are behind the hacking of Cash Patel's private email address. That news is out there. We will discuss that. Just coming down in the last little bit could be embarrassing. We'll see how much actual news might come out of this. But Buck, we were talking about this off air and again, we'll come back and we'll talk about it a bit more. I would expect that Iran is going to try to leak and embarrass Tash Patel with those emails immediately. And I think we will have an interesting precedent at play here because in the wake of Hillary Clinton's email getting hacked, a lot of people in legacy media said, oh, we shouldn't, we shouldn't cover hacked email stories. I bet that does not extend to Cash Patel. So we will see how exactly all of this breaks down. In the meantime, we moved to a new house not long ago. Our yard needs trees. I was walking around this morning. We have a bunch of new trees being being put in at the Travis family household. We are planting a lot of trees. I've got three acres. I'm excited to have a yard and I love trees and we're going to put a lot of them in. And if you're not familiar with fast growing trees, nation's largest online nursery, more than 1200 different varieties of trees, shrubs and plants. They will ship directly to your home and it's super convenient. You do the planting plants and trees do the rest. And they will tell you where it makes the most sense for you to be putting trees based on where you live. Right. So Buck is down in Miami. What would make sense in Miami is very different than what would make sense where I live in Nashville. And if you don't know what grows well in your area, you just put in your zip code. They give you suggestions about what they believe will thrive in your particular location. With Easter Mother's Day just around the corner, you can order someone you love something from fast growing trees. Everything you order backed by their alive and thrive guarantee. That's how well they've nurtured your new trees and plants. Fast Growing Trees.com is that website. Use My Name Clay as the promo code for 20% off first time orders. That's fast growing trees dot com. My name Clay for 20% off making America great again isn't just one man, it's many. The Team 47 podcast Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show, Friday edition of the program. Hope all of you, you are having a good Friday. And Buck, I just mentioned, I guess next week will officially be good Friday. I just mentioned the Cash Patel emails being hacked. This is his private email account and the alleged hackers are said to be Iranian. You have been through this a lot and I'm sure it's a huge topic of discussion inside of intelligence agencies in general. We know what happened with Hillary Clinton and the Russians and it turned into a huge story. There was at the time a, a monstrous discussion about, hey, is it ethical to publish these? Everything else, I have zero doubt that they will end up on the web somewhere being hosted by a foreign website server. Do you have any doubt at all about this? Where do you see it going? And we may need to talk about this on the flip side too.

[Clay Travis]

So, yeah, they're going to try to release this to embarrass him. Yeah, yeah, they're going.

[Buck Sexton]

They will go through and undermine the United States.

[Clay Travis]

This just reminds me of what happened with North Korea and the Sony hack. Remember that? That was North Korean hackers didn't like the movie that Sony put out.

[Buck Sexton]

The. Was it the, the hostage. The interview.

[Clay Travis]

The interview.

[Buck Sexton]

The interview, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And so they hacked into all the Sony executives personal emails and then just publicly release them. And some people, you know, people have embarrassing stuff in their personal emails. Not illegal stuff necessarily, but embarrassing stuff. And I don't know, I have no idea what's in Cash's emails. I just know people don't like their personal emails being released on the Internet. So that seems to be maybe what's

[Buck Sexton]

not only the person who gets hacked, it's other people who are emailing the person who gets hacked. Right. So I, I would imagine it's, it's one thing Cash could have embarrassing emails, embarrassing things that he said, who he is emailing with and what those conversations were, particularly because he was a private Citizen during the 2024 election. I would imagine that Iran is going to try to humiliate him to the best of their ability. I just have no doubt. So be prepared for that and how the media might cover it. When you switch your cell phone service from AT&T T Mobile or Verizon to PureTalk, you're aligning with a company that shares your values and will also give you a better price for just 25 bucks a month. Unlimited talk Text, plenty of data. Pure Talk service on the same towers network as the big wireless companies. And they create American jobs by building a customer Service team that's 100% US based. If you like what PureTalk stands for, support them by switching your cell phone service today. Dial £250, say our names, Clay and Buck, to make the switch. That's £250, say clay and Buck to switch to America's wireless company, pure talk. That is £250. You get to keep your same phone and your same phone number. You can save up to $1,000 over the life of the deal. You will be glad that you did it. That's £250, say clay and Buck speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

[Caller or Guest]

Buck.

[Clay Travis]

So we've got much to discuss here and the situation of the TSA lines. For example, something I want to get into a bit, but you'll notice these Democrats, they, they pretend that they care so much about federal government employees when it suits them, but the moment that they are a political hindrance or there's some problem that they pose politically, then they're willing to throw them under the bus as fast as possible. Zoran Mamdani, who is the mayor of New York City, we are back to. And this was, this was a way that AOC used to get a lot of attention. But we are back to the old abolish ICE routine, which was 2018's big. I think it was 2018, 2019, that was the big talking point. If you remember Kids in Cages. In fact, the former Biden energy secretary shouted at me out of nowhere, kids in cages.

[Buck Sexton]

Kids in cages.

[Clay Travis]

When I was on the Bill Marsh show as like a argument ender. It's like, oh my gosh, kids, you know, Jennifer Granholm, not a very bright woman, Cabinet member under Biden, if I recall. But kids in Cages was the thing. And aoc, you will all recall, remember this, Clay, she was at the fence.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah. Wearing all white. White. Oh, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Teary eyed. Oh my God, it's the saddest thing I've ever seen. Uh, yeah. Zoran Mamdani has now picked up that left wing, Soros, radical race, commie, internationalist, no borders routine. And here he is saying that ice, guess what this is Cut nine. ICE should be abolished.

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[Buck Sexton]

And that is critically important in our city where we've seen too many New

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Yorkers living in fear of even going to what would otherwise be routine immigration check inside.

[Clay Travis]

Abolish ice. I mean, so we won't have an enforcement arm, Clay. So why do we have federal laws? Why not tell Congress that they should pass a no one is barred from America law? I think that would make it harder though, for them to collect taxes from those of us who are already here and who are citizens. I think it's going to be harder to get people to fight in your wars. If anyone can come stay as long as they want or as short as they want and go.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I think this is the, the, the, the question that if we had an honest media, would get asked. We had Tom Holman on this week, and Tom Holman has told us before that he thinks the number of illegal immigrants when he came into office for Trump in January of 2025 was 20 million. I think the vast majority of people out there would acknowledge that 20 million is too many illegal immigrants to have in this country. Right. I mean, I think almost everyone listening to us right now would say that that's too many. What should the exact number be? I would like to try to get to zero. And then we could readdress American immigration policy through a legal process. Okay, what is the number that is too much for Zoran Mandani? I would love to have Mamdani. Right. New York City's budget is broken to a large extent because of the choices that they are making when it comes to, to housing illegal immigrants. Many of you, as you get ready for summer vacation, some of you might find your way up to New York City. You might even be going to see the Lost Boys like producer Ali on Broadway. And you will be stunned by what hotel rooms cost in New York City. The last time I was in a New York City hotel room, one of the last times, I couldn't believe Ali. What did my room cost? $708. $800. This is not the nicest hotel. This is a random Hilton, like a Hilton offshoot. I think I got into my room, I laid down on the bed and I could touch the wall on both sides. That's how tiny an $800 a night hotel Room was in. In New York City last time I was there. Okay, why is that happening? Because they were putting so many illegal immigrants in so many hotel rooms. And also, by the way, because they banned Airbnb and vrbo, which is an interesting discussion as well. Um, and as a result, normal people can barely afford to stay in normal hotel rooms in New York City, Buck. They have completely broken the city's budget over illegal immigration, and yet they feel like they live in this magical realism, consequence free world where they never have to answer the question, what choices are they making and why are they making them? And I don't know where this goes. I honestly don't know where this goes because New York City doesn't have the money to take care of its actual citizens, and instead they're giving all these benefits to illegal immigrants. And so the whole Democrat Party. I was watching this morning as I was getting ready for the show, Buck, There was, you know, there's a trend on social media where everybody talks about what they were like in the 90s. Have you seen this? It's gone super viral, of course.

[Clay Travis]

Everywhere.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah, everyone has seen this. There was a great clip on my feed this morning that I saw, which was pointing out everything that Democrats said in the 90s about how awful illegal immigration was. All of.

[Clay Travis]

I remember Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton were a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. Chuck Schumer. The border is wide open. This is a disgrace. You go down the line, Democrats, all this, this is how they. But you see, Clay, this is how we got to this point. They just lied to everybody for a long time about this, that they actually wanted the border to be secure. And you can go back and find the New York Times editorial board, not an editorial writer in 2000 writing about how, get ready for this, everybody. Illegal immigration, particularly in areas where there are concentrations of illegal immigrants, particularly suppresses the wages of black Americans. That was the New York Times in 2000. They were saying there is a disproportionate impact from illegals on members of the black community in this country, our fellow Americans who are trying to earn a living, pay their bills, do everything else. And the New York Times is saying, we got to get a hold on this because it's not fair to black Americans. Now, you fast forward a couple of decades and it's. You don't want 10 million randoms from all over the world piling into this country pretending they're asylum seekers when they're not. They're not going to get asylum. They're not going to show up for their asylum hearings. They're not going to be deported, Clay, even if they're denied asylum. Because Democrats make it as hard, if not impossible as they can. It's completely insane. They have gone crazy on this issue.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

No other country in the, you know, they point to other countries. They say, look at we should have like the working hours of France. They all sit around with scarves on and berets and it actually sounds kind of nice right now eating baguettes. But, you know, look at France. They do this with everything. No other country in the world has the kind of open borders that we do. Even European countries have not been like, like what we saw under Biden. 10 million in four years. Unprecedented.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, and again, I just come back to they break budgets. They largely, especially depending on what country they're from. But many of them do not embrace Western civilizational values. They are not overall assets to the country. And again, if we want to have a real conversation about what the legal immigration rate should be in the country, that's a really interesting question. Right. If we go truly and are taking people who are incredible intellectual, educational assets and they're going to come here and they're going to start jobs, start jobs, start new businesses. Everything else, take advantage of the systems that exist in America. What was the percentage of Somalian, illegal Somalian legal immigrants in Minnesota? Buck, that was on. Well, that were on welfare, wasn't it? 80%. 80% of Somali immigrants. These are legal immigrants in Minnesota. 80% of them immediately go on welfare. And we're talking multigenerational 80%. How does that in any way make America better? First of all, it's illegal. You should never be able to come to this country and immediately go on welfare. That's a sign that our immigration system has failed because we're supposed to be taking people who can contribute to American life, not act as leeches effectively on American life, not show up here and. And immediately take your taxpayer dollars to support people that are not born American citizens, particularly when we don't have the resources to take care of everyone in America in a way that Democrats would like. I don't even understand how Democrat voters can support giving all these benefits to illegal immigrants when there are people who are American citizens that aren't getting the resources they would like to have.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you have to remember, though, what the propaganda has been for a long time about illegals in this country. We're told they commit less crimes than we do, which is a lie, by the way, like than the average American. I also would point out, I don't care because we're Americans. They're not.

[Buck Sexton]

And also their rate of violent crime should be zero. Right. I mean, so the fact, the argument of they, they do crimes at lower levels. Well, how about their crime should be zero because they shouldn't be here?

[Clay Travis]

It's, it's remarkable. And then the other thing is doing the jobs Americans won't do. Really, the illegal propaganda for a long time from the Democrat media industrial complex was that illegals are better than other legal immigrants, mind you.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And certainly better than lazy, coddled Americans. That was our own media for a long time doing the jobs we won't do. Remember that?

[Buck Sexton]

Like, oh, yeah, that's been an argument for a long time.

[Clay Travis]

They'll, they'll do the jobs we won't do if they're paid under the table, off the books, because they aren't supposed to be here. And they're often exploited by these labor practices. The whole thing, this is. But it's so insulting. The whole thing is so, so, so the argument in favor of the illegals was that they're easier for unscrupulous business owners or, you know, business people to exploit. You know, they won't complain to OSHA at the chicken processing or the meat processing plant. So they're better than we are. No, that's actually not how this should be viewed at all.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's also, Buck, you could take the logical extension of that. You know, who would be even cheaper? Slaves.

[Caller or Guest]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, at some point, if you're not paying people fair wages and you're saying, well, Americans won't do these jobs. Yeah, they won't work for slave labor. Slave labor wages. Right. So this is an argument for the percentage of Americans that are not working right now, which is not insubstantial. A lot of people are on the sidelines. If we had a functional American economy that paid everybody what fair wages would be, then we'd have a lot more Americans coming off the sidelines, I think, to work. I really do.

[Clay Travis]

It's amazing. Also, they've tried to convince the American people that the laws of supply and demand are somehow frozen when it comes to illegals in the labor market. In every other thing, we can all recognize there's more of a thing. You know, there's more buyers than sellers. If there's more product, then there is demand. All the, these affect price, these affect the wages and everything else. And yet with this, we're told you can have all these people who are brought into the country and specifically go into usually unskilled trade, certain parts of the labor pool. And it's not going to affect the price millions of people, not going to affect the price that business owners can pay. If that were the case, why do we have so many people that only want to hire illegals, for example, in the meat processing plants, things like that? By the way, it reminds you of the H1B scam. Scam. Overwhelmingly a scam. And even Elon. Elon was. You know, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Elon Clay. Elon was dead wrong on this. Vivek Ramaswamy was dead, dead wrong on this in a way that has really continued to haunt him politically. I know he's running for governor in Ohio. Wrong on this issue because what it turned into was sort of a cartel of particularly Indians coming here, hiring other Indians, underpaying people because they can't go anywhere, but they get the chain migration benefit. They get to skip to the front of the line for staying here forever. So they're willing to take 20% less wages. It's not because the H1Bs are all geniuses.

[Buck Sexton]

I would also point out one other thing that is not getting a lot of attention. You know what's starting to happen in many different cities across America? The overall rents are collapsing. I was looking at a graphic buck two days ago. Many of our red state super popular cities, Austin, Nashville, many of your cities in Florida, people were so overwhelmed about the fact that during the Biden era, the overall rent rates skyrocketed. For many of you and a lot of you out there, that rent know exactly what I'm talking about. Go look at the data. Since we have started to take illegals out of the country, look at how much rents have started to come back down. Why would that be? Oh, because the people who were illegally here are not taking up as much of the housing and rents.

[Clay Travis]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Are you suggesting that supply and demand also affects housing and not just the labor market?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. This is actually where Democrats played Supremely dumb with J.D. vance. You remember with Tim Walls when he said if we have less illegal immigrants, the overall cost of housing, rent and purchase will decline? And they said, what are you basing that on? And the answer is supply and demand, like the base, most basic of all economic rules. And it's starting to have a pretty significant impact. If you got young kids, if you yourself are responsible for renting, you're seeing those numbers come back down a big way. People, a lot of people getting free months. A lot of people getting 2, $300 off compared to what they used to pay in rent. The markets are getting better as the number of illegals are declining.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

in play Travis Buck Sexton Show I don't know if we mentioned our guests that we will have here on Friday edition of the program. Florida Attorney General James Udmire will be on with us at the top of the third hour. He is making some interesting moves. Alligator Alcatraz going after the Rooney Rule among others and Mike Baker will join us at 2:30. Let me hit a couple of calls here and let's see who should I go to first. I'm trying to look at who's been waiting the longest. Paul, let's see in South Carolina, used to live on Staten Island. Fire away, Paul.

[Caller or Guest]

Hey man. Love your show guys. Trump supporter, love the foreign policy in favor of Iran and Venezuela. I just don't think you guys have your finger quite on the pulse of some of the concerns we have as Trump supporters. Affordability. I moved from Staten island down to

[Clay Travis]

South Carolina, pay a ton less in

[Caller or Guest]

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[Clay Travis]

That's crazy around utility costs with peak

[Caller or Guest]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Caller or Guest]

I'd love to see Trump declare war on the insurance companies. You can't spend a billion on marketing, you know, don't have commercials every two minutes.

[Clay Travis]

Bring that.

[Caller or Guest]

Bring the premiums down.

[Clay Travis]

The affordability piece I think is one

[Caller or Guest]

where the foreign policy is great, but

[Clay Travis]

I'm hurting in the pocket.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the call and I respect and understand that. Which is why Buck, I've been saying affordability, the economy is ultimately going to be the deciding factor. You sign on to that too for the midterms. We'll talk about it next.

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