Hour 2 -37 Days to Count Ballots in CA?

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – 37 Days to Count Ballots in CA?
Date: June 3, 2026
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Guest: Roxanne Hogue (California political observer), Miranda Devine (New York Post/Pod Force One)

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Episode Overview

This hour delves into timely political issues with Clay and Buck dissecting the extended ballot counting in California, recapping recent interviews with President Trump by Miranda Devine, discussing foreign policy and election trends, and examining Democratic Party drama in Maine. The tone, as always, is a blend of sharp political critique, humor, and frank listener interaction.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Interview Highlights: Trump on Iran, Israel, and Foreign Policy

• The show begins with Clay and Buck reacting to Miranda Devine's high-profile interview with President Trump on Pod Force One.
• Key focus: Trump’s approach to Iran, nicknaming of the Ayatollah (humorously dubbed the "Gayatolla" by Clay), the difficulties in global shipping near the Strait of Hormuz, and Trump’s relationship with Israel’s Netanyahu.

Memorable Exchange about the "Gayatolla"

• Clay Travis jokes: "The Gayatola. You know, I start to worry about this Clay. I don't want you to end up on some like IRGC list. All right, buddy? You keep calling him Little Mo." (03:02)
• Buck Sexton: “I actually used to work at a place where people that I knew ended up on like Al Qaeda hit lists. That actually happened.” (03:25)

Trump on Iran:

• President Trump (via Miranda Devine): “We’re having a very great success in Iran militarily… I think this will resolve itself fairly quickly.” (10:24–11:14)
• Buck Sexton: “President seems unbothered by the situation. Doesn’t seem like there’s more urgency from him. It’s just continued negotiations and the blockade is in place.” (11:14)

Trump vs. Netanyahu Dynamics

• Trump admits a blunt call: “I did. I wouldn’t say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we got to stop this, we got to stop it. But I have a very good relationship [with Netanyahu].” (12:07)
• Clay and Buck use this to dispel rumors that Trump is simply following Netanyahu’s lead, noting instead the U.S. wields the real power in the relationship.

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2. California Vote Counting Delay: 37 Days for Ballots?

Initial Reaction

• Clay Travis: “The official California election results page says it will take 37 days to count the votes in California right now. This is, I mean, this is just utterly ridiculous on all fronts.” (18:49)
• Both hosts express concern for candidates (Steve Hilton, Spencer Pratt) and critique the impact on national perceptions of election integrity.

Listener Update: Roxanne Hogue Explains California Ballot Counting

• Roxanne Hogue (Republican Party of LA) joins to explain:
  • "For years… they normally get 30 days. I don't know if they gave themselves a holiday boost for the Fourth of July, but we are looking at a timeline that we will not have certified results until July 10th." (23:58–24:24)
  • Delays attributed to mail-in ballot procedures and slow registrar operations.
  • Clay Travis: “Florida fixed everything... now a couple hours after Florida is done with the votes, they shut down the ballots. We know exactly what the results are. It’s instantaneous. When did California start doing this?” (25:47)
  • Roxanne notes slow processes date back a decade, predating COVID-19 and full mail-in voting.

Systems Concerns

• Buck Sexton: “That’s insane. Why… can anyone think that that's okay?” (24:24)
• Roxanne: “They're keeping bankers hours for something that's incredibly important.” (25:17)

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3. Broader Election Implications and Optimism for CA GOP

• The result of the delay means House control may not be clear for weeks after the election, repeating past cycles.
• Clay Travis: "Nationwide, this could matter because the overall House, as happened in 2022, is likely going to come down to what the results are in California." (21:08)
• Roxanne is "100% optimistic" (29:05) about the prospects for Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt and describes surprising cross-party enthusiasm for reform.

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4. Democratic Turmoil in Maine: Graham Platner’s Scandal

• Buck hints at forthcoming damaging news about Graham Platner (Democratic Senate candidate in Maine) expected to drop from the New York Times.
• Sen. John Fetterman critique: "What kind of a creeper has been on a decade on a platform like Kik and send a dozen explicit kinds of messages and who knows what else?" (32:15)
• Discussion on Democratic fallback plans (Gov. Janet Mills waiting in the wings), referencing how campaign “suspensions” have replaced dropouts.

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5. Listener Calls

• Dawn from Florida: “You know how Trump used to say too big to rig. So I feel like that's just what they're going to have to really hope for over there in California.” (40:38)
• Mike from Indiana: Asks about the accuracy of prediction markets in elections.
  • Clay: “As the markets get bigger, they become more reliable... when they get to 90%, I have found them to be quite reliable.” (41:29)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Clay Travis: “They counted votes faster back in the 19th century than they are managing to do right now.” (21:08)
• Buck Sexton: “No one dictates to Trump anything, ok? This is reality.” (14:35)
• Roxanne Hogue: “I drive from the airport to my family home in Kingston on nicer streets than I do from LAX to my home in North Hollywood.” (29:05)
• John Fetterman: “If someone had a clear Nazi tattoo on them, you probably could… conclude that there's a Nazi sympathizer. How… at some point are you going to continue to defend that or dismiss that?” (32:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump interview/foreign policy: 03:00–14:35
• California ballot counting discussion and Roxanne Hogue interview: 18:49–30:44
• Maine Democratic primary turmoil: 31:26–35:33
• Listener calls—California & prediction markets: 40:38–42:56

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Tone & Language Notes

• Conversational and irreverent—plenty of humor and sarcasm, especially regarding bureaucratic inefficiency and political insiders.
• Maintains skepticism toward establishment narratives, emphasizing transparency and election integrity.
• Language is blunt and often colloquial, connecting national stories to relatable everyday experiences.

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Summary Takeaway

Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show on June 3, 2026, offers a rapid-fire review of election headaches in California, foreign policy under Trump, inside-party battles among Democrats, and what these mean for American governance and public trust. The show’s trademark blend of analysis, audience engagement, and levity makes it an invaluable primer for anyone tracking the evolving US political landscape.

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wrestling.com Second Hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thanks for being here with us everybody. Our friend Miranda Devine of the New York Post and Pod Force One. A great lady Clay and I both like. You've met her in person a few times, right Clay? Have you? You guys have hung out, right? Yeah, yeah, I've had some drinks, great stories. We're big Miranda Devine fans here. She Had a very nice, very nice. Some people are saying with your favorite president, a very nice sit down with President Trump. They covered some important topics here. First off, on the. I saw you, I saw you tweet on this earlier on this Mujtaba or a Little Mo, as you, as you call him.

[Clay Travis]

The Gayatola.

[Buck Sexton]

The Gayetola. You know, I start to worry about this Clay. I don't want you to end up on some like IRGC list. All right, buddy? You keep calling him Little Mo.

[Clay Travis]

There doesn't seem to be that much pushback on the idea that he's gay. It's kind of a surprise to me because I would think being an Iranian religious cleric, it's not really. Well, accept it if you happen to be gay.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying I don't want, you know, I actually used to work at a place where people that I knew ended up on like Al Qaeda hit lists. That actually happened.

[Miranda Devine]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, and so, you know, nothing happened. They're fine, they're fine. But it was a little eerie to see your name turn up on a.

[Clay Travis]

What?

[Buck Sexton]

Mine didn't, you know, which I guess I wasn't important enough, but I knew some people who did. And, you know, that's, you know, because they'll put these threats out there on the Internet and stuff like that. Nonetheless, I don't want you getting in too much trouble with the IRGC with your Gayetola comments. Ok? That's all I'm saying. Nonetheless, Trump says that he would like to meet Lil Mo. This is cut seven. This is from Pod Pod Force One with Miranda Devine. Play it.

[Miranda Devine]

So we had various levels of people and the first set is gone, the second set is gone, part of the third set is gone. And the people we're dealing with, we know they're the people that are leading the country.

[Interviewer]

Is it the gay ayatollah?

[Miranda Devine]

He's involved? Absolutely.

[Interviewer]

Really?

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah. I think they have a lot of respect for him.

[Interviewer]

So is he his compos mentis. He's not sick? In hospital, In a coma as we.

[Miranda Devine]

Well, I don't know. I haven't had the privilege of meeting him, but I'm not hearing soon. Great. You're doing better. If you believe the saur is, you know, missing a lot of different parts.

[Interviewer]

Who's making the decision?

[Miranda Devine]

Well, they say he is giving approval because that's the way it is. Has been for a long, long time. His father and then him. I guess it's a succession, but we seem be getting along quite well.

[Interviewer]

Would you like to meet him or meet any of the Iranians in.

[Miranda Devine]

I've never thought of it, actually. It's a very good question. I'll think of it. Yeah, I'd like to meet him. I like to meet everybody. I'd like to meet him. We probably will meet at some point, depending on how it all works out.

[Buck Sexton]

Couple things, Clay, real quick here. Did Miranda say the gay Ayatollah?

[Clay Travis]

I think she did, yeah. I think, yeah. I mean, it's kind of widely discussed. I think the New York Post was the first paper, if I remember, to actually put out that Iran's Ayatollah might be gay. And that was one reason that they didn't necessarily want him as the successor. And then there was the decision made that he should be the successor. And then lots of people, Buck, don't know where he is or even if he is still alive. So this is one of the big challenges, I think, is communicating in general with whoever is making decisions inside of Iran. I'm not even sure we officially know. And in the meantime, that's also why it takes so long to go back and forth with different versions of what's going to happen here. So, on the straight of horror movies. I was doing a bunch of reading on the straight of horror moose as. As one does, and I do think one of the signature elements of this discussion, which you and I have kind of hit on quite a bit, is who's going to send their ships back in. It's one thing for these ships to get out of the straight of Hormuz and be given the ability to take their cargo wherever they want to go around the world. Buck, if you suddenly were not a radio show host and you were a. You were in charge of international shipping, do you think maybe you would pick a route that didn't involve the straight of four moves? If you had been captured, effect held hostage in the Strait of Hormuz for months, do you think it might be hard to find a crew that wants to go back into the straight of Hormuz? Lot of discussion about getting the ships out, and that's important. My question is who's ever going back? That seems like an awful potential risk to take. If your ship is making money based on transiting goods, the danger of being stuck there is pretty substantial. And there was a huge write up about Lloyd's of London and how much we remember when I talked about the insurance premiums and we had all the insurance agents calling in and everything else. I still think this is going to be a massive part of the story, because the insurance premiums have skyrocketed, as you would well imagine at Lloyd's of London, for any of these ships. Are they even getting right insurance premiums to let ships go back into the Strait of Hormuz, given what we've already seen and done?

[Buck Sexton]

I will tell you the word from the White House. Having just been in D.C. and talked to some folks who are very involved on the national security side, they are, they are not worried at all. They feel very confident that Trump has got this and it's all, it's all gonna work out. I mean, that really is the, that is the, the word, the vibe, whatever the, the party line, all the rest of it. So I did not sense they are approaching this with any concern. I think that their view is, or I should say their view is from the White House, that Trump is going to get what he wants out of this and everyone just needs to give more time and be patient. We'll see. I'm not, you know, because the second I, I'm just telling you what the word from the White House is. The second I say this, we're going to get people like, do you know what I paid for gas this morning?

[Clay Travis]

I'm like, I will say a lot. Gas prices are, have come back down. I think I saw. I know they're under $4 where I am because that's what I paid this past weekend. But I also know that nationwide, I think the price of gas is back down to around 421ish for 431something in that neighborhood. Average gas prices. Now, which I was going to get into this at the top of the third hour, but in addition to doing all my research on the Strait of Hormuz, I was looking at all the data on how things have gone in the first several years, purely from an economic perspective, because we got into that real discussion yesterday, which I still think is a big and significant one, about why consumer confidence is so low. And, and you can say, okay, well, there's different things. Gas prices are high. This is not the worst, not even close to the worst economy we've ever had in 50 years. So why is there this sort of national malaise? Yes, There's a certain segment of the population that hates President Trump. Let's say that's 40% of Americans that are just obsessed, that believe that he is uniquely evil. But. And they're not going to be persuaded that anything is fine. Even if suddenly they were all multimillionaires, they would still find a reason to dislike President Trump, can I just.

[Buck Sexton]

Trump actually was. Because I was telling you what the word from the White House is kind of off, you know, offstage, if you will. So I met with some people in D.C. and was talking to them. But here is Trump saying, when asked about this specifically, how does he feel about the Iran situation? This is again on Pod Force One. This is nine.

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[Miranda Devine]

I think we're going to be in very good shape. We're in good shape right now. We have the blockade, which is amazing. Our navy is great. Our military, we have the strongest military in the world. I built, I built the military on my first term, my first term, and I'm using it during my second term. I didn't think I'd be using it this much, but we had a big success in Venezuela that was over in one day. We have a great relationship with the people in Venezuela. The oil companies are moving in now with us. And that's been tremendous, been a tremendous success, even from the economic standpoint, the oil standpoint. But that was essentially much less than a one day war and a great success. And we're having a very great success in Iran militarily.

[Interviewer]

So you think the blockade will still be in place by labor?

[Miranda Devine]

I don't know. I mean, I think it could be, but I think it's unlikely. I think that we'll have it. I think this will resolve itself fairly quickly.

[Buck Sexton]

He's saying it will resolve itself fairly quickly. So there you go. Take, take that as you will. President seems unbothered by the situation. Doesn't seem like there's more urgency from him. It's just continued negotiations and the blockade is in place. So that is where that is something else, Clay, that came up here because this, I don't think we talked about this on the show. There was an Axios report that Trump called Netanyahu and said, you are Trump to Netanyahu. You are bleeping crazy. And he was asked about this, and I want you to hear his response to being asked directly about it. Play 6.

[Interviewer]

You were angry with him. You said, are you effing crazy? What are you effing doing? I helped you stay out of jail. Is that true? Did you speak to him in those terms?

[Miranda Devine]

I did. I wouldn't say angry. I was a little bit perturbed at his constantly fighting with Lebanon. You know, at some point I said, maybe we got to stop this, we got to stop it. But I have a very good relationship. We've done well, done well together. He always says we could never have done it. But everybody knows that we could have never done it without the United States. But we've, we've, I've worked very well together. I like Bibi a lot and I've worked very well with him. We had a, you know, where he, I'm a wartime president, he's a wartime prime minister, very important part of the world. And I think we've done, you know, very well. We've, we've gotten along very well together.

[Buck Sexton]

I think he's like, look, we get a little hot under the collar, but I love the guy. It's all good. That seems to be the takeaway there.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is funny only in the context of. We have been told by many people on both the right and the left, because the anti Jewish sentiment has certainly percolated from the left, but also from some elements of the right that Trump is completely at the behest of, of Netanyahu. And there's tons of evidence, actually, which is the only logical story here, that Netanyahu actually has to do what Trump wants to do because America is the huge international power and Israel is not. So the whole idea of Trump only is acting at the behest of Netanyahu has always been crazy. And I wonder how they calibrate in their minds those people who have made this argument when Trump is just legitimately cursing and berating Netanyahu because of some of the choices Netanyahu is making that he doesn't support. You know what? There's 10 million people who live in Israel roughly. There's 350 million people here. Our overall economic might and military might dwarfs Israel's. Anyone who was arguing that a country that's roughly the size of New Jersey was going to be dominating the decision making of the United States, I always think was crazy. But these little evidence out here, I give credit for Miranda Devine getting that story out. I do think that Israel helped to convince Trump that there could be a regime change. I think that's true. But the idea that Israel is dictating to Trump what they can and can't do is, is absolutely. Here's a good word for you.

[Buck Sexton]

We said this, we said this from the very beginning. No one dictates to Trump anything, ok? This is reality. Do I think that the reporting about Netanyahu pushing that there could be regime change and that the time was right for it is probably accurate? Yes. And did that end up being a good assessment? It was not a good assessment. But was that his honest assessment? That's, you know, to each, to each, his own on the analysis there. But Trump believed, or you know, Trump was like, okay, I'll do that, I'll do that. There wasn't some leverage, there wasn't some special button that Netanyahu could hit where it goes, oh, ok, Trump will do whatever. That button doesn't exist. And we said that from the very beginning. Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do. And he acted as he thought was in the best interest of this country as commander in chief. And he seems very still at peace with the decision, even though the perhaps delay in some of this has got some people a little, a little bit concerned. But we'll see. We'll see how it we're going to look into this. As Trump says, we're going to look at this. When you switch your cell phone service to PureTalk to take advantage of their new low price for unlimited high speed WI fi, you're going to save money every month and help a great cause. Pure Talk is on a path to raise $250,000 for America's Warrior Partnership this month and next month. This nonprofit foundation stands on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. Because PureTalk is veteran led, this is important to them. America's Warrior Partnership helps our veterans with

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[Clay Travis]

wrestling.com welcome back in Clay and Buck. I know you were optimistic off the top Buck, but this has been shared by Roxanne Hodge who is called in with us yesterday. The official California election results page says it will take 37 days to count the votes in California right now. This is, I mean this is just utterly ridiculous on all fronts. And in the meantime I looked, I was just telling Buck off air there has been no movement since I woke up this morning in any tallies coming from California in both the mayor's race and also in the in the governor's race. Basically the counting, at least the tally that I am seeing has been effectively frozen for all morning into what is now the afternoon. I know it's what, 11:25 or 10:25 I guess in California right now. So I get that there is a that it's still morning out there, but this is bonkers. And the longer this goes on, regardless of what your politics are, this is awful for trust in results in any way. And if I were Spencer Pratt or I was Steve Hilton. I mean, these guys are living in a sort of never ending world of uncertainty as they try to figure out whether they're advancing into this new, this runoff or not. And it may end up being very close. Maybe it doesn't matter as much when there's a 10 or 15 spread in what the outcome is, but likely for both Steve Hilton and advancing into the final two and also for Spencer Pratt, this is going to be a relatively close race on both fronts given how many people are running. I will say, and I think we had a talk back on this, but Katie Porter, remember her, buck? She got 5% of the vote.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. She's just ready to throw a big vat of boiling hot potatoes at all the voters of California right now. Not a surprise, very upset at them.

[Clay Travis]

And nationwide, by the way, that's reference. If you forgot what Katie Porter did nationwide, this could matter because the overall house, as happened in 2022, is likely going to come down to what the results are in California. And we're not going to know who the head of the house is. Like who which party won the house potentially for a month as everybody just kind of sits around and waits on California to slowly be able to tabulate all these results. It's just, it's unacceptable. And to me, it's also symptomatic, Buck, of the just utter collapse of California as a desirable place to live. They can't even count votes. They counted votes faster. They counted votes faster back in the 19th century than they are managing to do right now.

[Buck Sexton]

That would seem to be not fast enough.

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[Buck Sexton]

L A Y welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So had a lot of talk there about the situations that Donald Trump is handling. He's got a whole range of things on his plate as the commander in chief. Would tend to something else that's going on here though. Clay, I know you talked about it. Yes. What would you have?

[Clay Travis]

We got a caller who was calling in to update us on the amount of time it's going to take to count. She called in with us the other day.

[Buck Sexton]

Let's do it.

[Clay Travis]

Roxanne Hoage. I believe you can let us let me know if I'm pronouncing your last name correctly or not. I saw you just tweet and I had the team reach out to you. 37 days is the current tracker of how long it's going to take for all of these California votes to be tabulated.

[Roxanne Hogue]

Oh, yes, sir. It's Hogue. Rhymes with rogue. But the most important thing is that yes, California for years. This predates Covid. This predates our all the mail in elections they normally get 30 days. I don't know if they gave themselves a holiday boost for the Fourth of July, but we are looking at a timeline that we will not have certified results until July 10th.

[Buck Sexton]

That's insane. That's insane. Why can you try to help us understand Roxanne, Cool name, by the way. Why is that the way? Like, how can anyone think that that's okay?

[Roxanne Hogue]

Well, I think and I'm getting inside their minds now, they've always taken a very long time to add in the mail in ballots and now that we've gone to all mail in. So even if people drop off their ballots on election day at a vote center, they count as mail in. They give seven days for four ballots to arrive. But even before that, like last night, the first batch of results we got weren't from the electronic vote machines in vote centers. One would think that you can tabulate that. Like you could go on Twitter, slash X right now, put up a survey that lasts 12 hours and when the survey closes, you would see the results. I honestly do not understand why the electronic vote tabulation takes so long. If you look at the registrar voters in Los Angeles, which they do a good job, but I don't know if it's union breaks, what it is. They are going to do updates. They're going to be. There's going to be an update today that's going to be reported at 4pm Pacific and then we don't get another one till tomorrow at 4pm and then Friday. Like they're keeping bankers hours for something that's incredibly important.

[Clay Travis]

This is important too. You said. And I don't remember, you correct me if I'm wrong. I don't remember in the 90s or the early 2000s that there was this issue with California votes being tabulated. And Buck is in Florida right now. Obviously, all of us remember what happened in Florida in 2000 when it took forever to decide who won that state and Florida fixed everything. And now a couple hours after Florida is done with the votes, they shut down the ballots. We know exactly what the results are. It's instantaneous. When did California start doing this? And obviously it's intentional. Their idea is, oh, this is going to allow us to get a higher voter participation rate, I'm sure is what they're saying. But this is, I think, frankly, inexcusable and indefensible to the rest of the country. And I know for many Californians as

[Roxanne Hogue]

well, well, it's been going on for at least a decade. I don't know if you guys remember Congresswoman Young Kim was declaring, declared a winner, went to D.C. did her freshman orientation in Congress, and then too bad, so sad, was replaced. And that was back in 2018 or 2020. I think it happened, you know, with Rick Caruso in the LA mayoral race. Oh, yay, he won. And then all the other ballots come in and in terms of them claiming that we've increased turnout, I mean, right now, you know, LA county is looking, maybe we're lucky, we'll hit 25, 28% turnout. But that's the crazy thing. We don't even know what the denominator of votes cast will be for a full week.

[Clay Travis]

It's crazy.

[Buck Sexton]

So how are you feeling about not forget about the vote counting part of it, because that's obviously a mess. But from what we've seen so far, are you, are you optimistic given the strong initial showing from Steve Hilton and from Spencer Pratt? What's your sense of it?

[Roxanne Hogue]

I'm cautiously optimistic, but what I'm really happy about is that we are now going to have conversations about the best way to run something. The fact that Karen Bass couldn't win outright. When Democrat politicians here who are incumbents just skate, they normally just nobody cares. They just skate. The fact that he has opened up a flank, that's going to Be like, do you like poop on the streets? Because that's what you're going to vote for. And that conversation will take place with great sunlight and attention because Spencer is brilliant at getting that. And then the same thing with Steve Hilton. You cannot be making the argument, as Becerra is trying to, that California needs fixing and I'm the guy to fix it when your party broke it.

[Clay Travis]

No doubt. If these results were to hold, Buck was being the optimistic one for a change off the start of the show today. How optimistic are you that Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt, now in one on one runoffs, would be able to reach across and bring in some traditional Democrat voters? Are you optimistic that would occur? Because again, finally you're down to a head to head if these guys can officially get the nod to advance to the runoff.

[Roxanne Hogue]

I am 100% optimistic. And I don't just say that because I'm cheerleader for the party officially. I have seen with my own eyes Democrats coming out for Spencer and for Steve. There were even Democrats who donated to the Republican Party of LA county to help spread the word and get out the vote of our, you know, we're only just under 15% of the electorate in the city of LA, but they wanted to make sure that we have a real conversation and that we can actually have good governance. The people who keep talking about, you know, experience, well, the experience that we've seen so far has driven us into the ground. And I say this as someone from a third world country. I drive from the airport to my family home in Kingston on nicer streets than I do from LAX to my home in North Hollywood.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just wondering, and maybe the answer is much longer. How long does it take like in Jamaica to count election ballots today?

[Roxanne Hogue]

Pretty much. To be fair, we'll, we'll have a much better idea in two weeks. I mean, you know, it takes 37 days to certify, but really they're going to jam. You know, two weeks in, we'll really know what we're looking at.

[Clay Travis]

This is just insane. Thank you for the update. Will you please keep calling in and updating us as these counts continue? Because I know I speak for a lot of people out there who voted for Steve Hilton and who voted for Spencer Pratt and say, I know how this, this story is going to end. I've lived through it before. Democrats keep counting till they get the numbers they need.

[Roxanne Hogue]

We're a little bit like Lucy with the foot, you know, Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. But I have faith.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you like your faith.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much for the call. Thanks for the update. Got such great California listeners. Clay, Can I take us now to the other side of the country? Yes, Maine. Maine, where I'm just going to tell you guys this. I don't think it's happened yet. I have been told by my people, because I know people, that there's going to be some platinum stuff coming down today. I don't think the story has dropped yet, but more stuff and possibly some very damaging stuff about this or I should say alleged, what's the right word? I am told it will be very damaging stuff. How about that?

[Clay Travis]

And potentially knock him out of the race. Damaging stuff is what you have been told is coming.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I have been told by people who know these things. Now, that's not a guarantee. And sometimes people get this, you know, until you're now it's coming from the New York Times, I might add, is where it is expected to drop. So remember, this is pro Democrat media and you have to wonder, ok, well, what's their approach going to be with this? But at least you have here Senator John Fetterman, who, and some of you like to remind us, does vote with Democrats like 90% of the time. But he does say things that annoy Democrats and occasionally he'll vote with Republicans. So there's that. Here he is on the Graham platner for senator situation. 25 hit it.

[John Fetterman]

What kind of a creeper has been on a decade on a platform like Kik and send a dozen explicit kinds of messages and who knows what else

[Miranda Devine]

would it be better for Democrats if

[Co-Parent/Camper Speaker]

he was not the candidate here?

[John Fetterman]

All I'm saying, it's like, you know, when I was growing up, if someone had a clear Nazi tattoo on them, you probably could consume or conclude that there's a Nazi sympathizer. How, you know, at some point are you going to continue to defend that or dismiss that?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, that's, that's a tough one. By the way, the Nazi tattoo thing I think is going to be a whole lot more defensible, at least politically then what I'm hearing is likely to come out about Platner in the next 24 hours, if not in the next few hours. Clay, so what do Democrats do here? I mean, remember, Swalwell just got knocked. Now, they had Becerra. So this is this see what you what you have to keep in mind is yes, it was Democrats who took down Swalwell. Well, it was really women who came forward and told their stories. But Democrat media covered It. But they had a plan B. And Becerra is now either number one or number two. Well, for the time being, I know we can't really say, but he's clearly a leading contender and a former Obama guy. So they had a. They had a plan B. What's the plan B?

[Clay Travis]

If Platner gets just Janet Mills, they're going to go right back to Janet Mills, who is the current governor. That's who Schumer endorsed. So they thought that Janet Mills had a better chance of winning than Graham Platner did. And that's why I think all these stories are coming out right now. They're trying to KO him before the primary is Tuesday. This is crazy stuff. And again, I think it's Swalwell 2.0. I think there's an element of Joe and Kamala and the way that whole Biden Kamala switch went down. Because I think they want to knock Graham Platner out of this race before Tuesday. Remember? And we talked about this on the program before. I don't know when it started, but you don't drop out anymore. You suspend your campaign. It's like you're just kind of hanging there. Like you. You haven't quite said, hey, I'm out. You're waiting to see if some sort of chaos is gonna drop. And Janet Mills recently came back out. I don't know if we have that audio. I know we had it yesterday. And she said, buck, to answer your question, I think she's letting it be known. She made a big deal of saying, I didn't drop out. I just suspended my campaign. So she is there and is ready to resume the campaign if there is the force out of Platner. And I think the fear that they have, Buck, is that Susan Collins is going to beat a wounded Platner. And so they're trying to KO him. The fact that it's coming from the New York Times, Tommy Lahren. Tommy Lahren sent me a message. She said, you know, it's like, remember the horror movie back in the day where the you. You would get like the dun, dun, dun. The phone call is coming from inside the house. You remember that horror story back in the day? It's like, you know, babysitters.

[Buck Sexton]

That's like Scream, right? Doesn't that happen in Scream? And they realize, you know, because I can see you, you know, with the scary.

[Clay Travis]

Well, he's outside. I'm a scream expert. He's outside the house, but close. But the concept is, back in the day, babysitters Downstairs, somebody keeps calling. She keeps hanging up. And then she calls the police and they say, you need to get out of the house right now. And she says why? And they say, because that call is coming from upstairs in your house. This is the call coming from inside. So they are threatening Graham Platner, I would imagine, Buck, there's probably phone calls going on behind the scenes now where if you drop out, maybe these stories aren't released that are as damning as they would be if you refuse to to drop out. So I think this is a mess. I would pay attention to it. I think it is significant. And just FYI. So I like your call, Buck. If you look at the prediction markets, Susan Collins is almost favored now to win that main seat. The money has been pouring in on her, which suggests to me people think that Platner is a wounded candidate as we get ready for that, that Tuesday primary next week. Also I'd point out, Buck, the Platner campaign put out a new poll saying everything is fine. We're not losing any support at all and they weren't up very much. And that's an internal campaign. It just kind of feels like we got the panic that is underway. We'll dive into all that and more when we come back. In the meantime, if you are a small business owner and I know many of you out there are, including both Buck and me, and if you've had to deal with all the different paperwork that is regularly in front of you, let me tell you something. When you sign the insurance policy, that's the, that's sometimes just the beginning. You don't know what's covered. You don't know what kind of support you're going to get. Heck, you don't even know how many insurance agencies you might have for your companies. Super sure is the super agency built for you. Licensed in every state year round support@super sure.com Clay you also get fine print facts. They can tell you what you are spending, what you actually need, what you are covered for. They can save you money and simplify all of your insurance issues. No cost. Just go to super sure.com/clay one super agency, one powerful platform. If you are like me and run a small business, all your policies in one place. Super Sure.com Clay paid for by Super Sure Insurance Agency LLC, a licensed insurance agency.

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[Clay Travis]

welcome back in Clay and Buck. We got a lot of talk backs, a lot of different reactions rolling in from so many different perspectives out there. There. Let's go to some of these phone calls. Guys have been waiting a bit for a while. Dawn in Florida. Fire away Dawn.

[Roxanne Hogue]

Hi guys. Mad respect first of all. Love you guys. First time reach, getting through. Calling from the free state of Florida. And I just wanted to say that you know how Trump used to say too big to rig. So I feel like that's just what they're going to have to really hope for over there in California.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, Asking a lot. Thank you. When they're going to continue to count votes for 37 days, I just, I get nervous. Mike in Indiana's got a good question. Mike, fire away.

[Caller Mike]

Hey gentlemen, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call. Clay, I hear you refer to the betting markets almost daily and my question is, has any study been done about the predictive nature of those markets? Just how accurate are they in predicting the winner?

[Clay Travis]

Well, thank you for the call. And look, I think they're still in progress. Polymarket and Kalshi are the two big ones that are legal. As the markets get bigger, they become more reliable. I have not seen an over 90% chance that has been wrong yet. It's over 90% now. For anybody out there that thinks probabilistically, if you get a 90% chance of something happening, there could still be 10% chance that the other thing's gonna happen, Right? So it is like any other probability. But to answer your question, when they get to 90%, I have found them to be quite reliable. And I'll give you another example of how I was using them last night, Buck. I was watching the votes come in and then I was constantly going over to the Poly Market site to see what the percentage chances were of who was going to win the race. They usually move faster than the actual vote tallies when people are putting their real money behind it. There was one upset. We'll talk about what happened in Iowa, a winner that was not endorsed by President Trump, what that story is, and it connects to Rush Limbaugh. I think you guys are going to enjoy the clip that we have for you about the new nominee to be the next governor of Iowa. We'll Talk more about 60 Minutes and Buck, I've got a reason for optimism. Dated.

[Buck Sexton]

I need it.

[Clay Travis]

I need it when we come back. Final hour Wednesday next.

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