Hour 2 - AG Pam Bondi Out

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 – AG Pam Bondi Out

Date: April 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this hour, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide immediate reaction to the breaking news that Pam Bondi has been replaced as U.S. Attorney General under the Trump administration. They analyze the implications of this shake-up, consider potential replacements, and delve into the political strategy behind the change. The hour also features an extended interview with Brigadier General Sean Harris, a Democratic candidate for Congress in Georgia’s 14th District, with discussions ranging from Middle East policy to border security, rural America, and cultural issues.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Confirmation and Analysis: Pam Bondi Exits as Attorney General

• Breaking News Reaction:

  • Clay confirms the early reports: "There is a shake up in D.C. Pam Bondi is out as Attorney General." (02:06)
  • Clay and Buck reflect on Bondi's tenure, generally praising her as a patriot and hard worker but acknowledging mistakes and the need for executive flexibility.
  • “Even if you’re doing your best, your best isn’t necessarily good enough for the moment. And that’s okay as long as somebody else steps in who can get it done.” — Clay Travis (03:28)

• Listener Reaction & Caller Critique:

  • A podcast listener, Mike from Omaha, disagrees with the hosts, arguing that firing Bondi gives Democrats a "scalp" and signals instability in the Trump administration (04:09).
  • Buck rebuts: "I don’t think that Trump is giving the Democrats scalps. If anything, it's Trump voters—it's MAGA—who feel annoyed about what happened with Pam Bondi… I don’t view this as bending the knee to the left at all." (04:56)

2. Why the Change? Performance and Political Calculus

• Epstein Files & DOJ Performance:

  • Both hosts point to how Bondi handled the Jeffrey Epstein files as a major unforced error (05:25).
  • Lack of major Department of Justice “wins” cited as rationale for needing new leadership (04:56–05:25).
  • “Pam Bondi's bringing in those influencers and giving them the Epstein binders… maybe we can go grab that clip that was on Fox News... were the biggest unforced errors of the first year and a half of Trump 2.0.” — Buck Sexton (05:44)

• No Democratic Satisfaction:

  • Clay and Buck insist that Democrats are not celebrating Bondi’s ouster since she posed little threat to their agenda. “Smart Democrats are like, yeah, keep her there… she hasn't been that effective.” — Clay Travis (06:56)

3. Possible Replacements — The Speculation Game

• Favorites and Wild Cards:

  • Lee Zeldin (current EPA Administrator) is floated as the leading candidate; both hosts are favorable.
    • “Reports that it might be Lee Zeldin… former Congressman for New York, ran a great campaign… current EPA administrator.” — Buck Sexton (07:44)
  • Other Names: Ted Cruz, Mike Lee (noted as red-state Senators, easy confirmations); Ron DeSantis as a “home run pick” if looking outside of D.C. (07:44–09:17)
  • Other DOJ Names: Harmeet Dhillon and Todd Blanch (who is serving as Acting AG) are mentioned as possible internal candidates.
  • “If I were picking somebody from outside the administration, Ron DeSantis would be a dominant attorney general, home run pick.” — Buck Sexton (08:42)
  • “Harmeet Dhillon... bet she's in the conversation.” — Clay Travis (10:14)

• Insider Dynamics:

  • Susie Wiles, Trump’s chief of staff, was reportedly the original advocate for Bondi serving as AG. (10:58)
  • Colorful hypotheticals discussed, e.g., Ted Cruz moving to AG, freeing up his Senate seat for Ken Paxton — “sometimes you just have to think through these political chess moves.” (11:03–12:27)

• Electoral Considerations:

  • Discussion on whether serving as AG is a better presidential launchpad than being a senator; history suggests senators rarely become president (12:39–13:51).

4. Trump's Official Statement on Bondi’s Departure (20:34)

• Trump’s Statement Read on Air:
  • “Pam Bondi is a great American patriot and a loyal friend who faithfully served as my Attorney General over the past year... overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country with murders plummeting to their lowest level since 1900... She will be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector... Our Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch will step in to serve as Acting Attorney General.” (20:34)
  • Buck and Clay praise Trump’s words as “aptly written” and reinforce that Bondi deserves thanks, not animus. (21:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Stakes of the Shuffle:
  • “This is just a change up. And everybody should feel like, when serving at the pleasure of the president, this is what it means.” — Clay Travis (03:29)
  • “You do not have learning-on-the-job time here.” — Clay Travis (07:06)
• Listener Feedback: “Trump is giving Democrats scalps that he does not need to do. 2.0 is imploding, guys.” — Mike in Omaha (04:13)
• Co-Host Response: “That’s a poor take from the listener there... Democrats... haven’t come after Pam Bondi that hard, relatively speaking.” — Buck Sexton (05:25)

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Segment Breakdown with Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|--------------------------------| | 02:06 | Confirmation: Pam Bondi out as AG—host reaction | | 04:09 | Listener Mike criticizes the decision; hosts rebut | | 05:25 | Discussion on DOJ "wins" and handling of the Epstein files | | 07:44 | Possible AG replacements: Zeldin, Cruz, DeSantis, Lee | | 10:14 | Internal DOJ candidates: Harmeet Dhillon, Todd Blanch | | 12:27 | Hypotheticals: Texas political chess moves w/ Cruz & Paxton | | 13:51 | History: Senators and Attorneys General as presidents | | 20:34 | Trump’s official statement on Bondi’s exit | | 21:32 | Hosts react to Trump’s statement; praise for Bondi’s service |

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Interview Spotlight: Brigadier General Sean Harris (23:35–37:51)

Background and Introduction

• Sean Harris, retired Brigadier General and cattle farmer from northwest Georgia, appears as a Democratic candidate for Georgia’s 14th District (Marjorie Taylor Greene’s seat).

Key Interview Points

• On Middle East Policy:

  • Harris critiques both the clarity of current U.S. Middle East objectives and communication from the President: “He didn’t actually tell the American people how do we actually get into this war? … Our military walks the face of the earth. We will win this war... but we could lose this war politically because the American people don’t understand what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.” (23:53)

• Strikes on Iran:

  • Harris states he’d demand full Congressional briefings on any move against Iran: “If it was a fact they actually had the potential to have nuclear weapons... then yes. But if it wasn’t clear... I would have told the President, you need to come in here and tell the American people exactly why.” (25:08)

• Why Run as a Democrat?

  • Harris describes himself as a moderate Democrat recruited by local Republicans: “I am a moderate Democrat, but I am not tied to a party... when I get to D.C., I’m going to stand up strictly for the people here in Northwest Georgia only.” (26:18)
  • Clay jokes: “Everything you’re saying sounds entirely reasonable and well thought out. I just have this question—you’re a Democrat, what’s going on?” (26:10)

• Speaker Vote and Party Allegiance:

  • Harris won’t commit to backing Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker: “My focus is on whoever is going to be looking at the rural community.” (27:54)

• Men in Women’s Sports:

  • Harris takes a conservative stance: “I know the difference between a man and a woman, and I want men to play on men’s sports, women to play on women’s sports… I want sports to be fair.” (30:00)

• Immigration and Border Policy:

  • Supports Trump’s southern border policies; criticizes Biden/Harris: “President Trump got it spot on… the southern border needs to stay closed.” (32:15)
  • On ICE: “I want to make sure that ICE is functional, but I want to make sure that they follow the rules… pick up the worst of the worst from our jails... they should not be on the street as a regular cop.” (33:10)
  • Clay’s aside: “Sean, you sound like a good man. You also sound like a Republican.” (34:21)

• Generational Opportunity & Mars:

  • Harris paints a visionary picture: “We’re going to go to the moon... in a few years, we’re going to go to a place called Mars... we bring generational jobs right back here to northwest Georgia.” (35:06)

• 2024 Vote:

  • Voted for Kamala Harris: “But when I get to D.C. if Trump is doing something right, I’m going to say yes and support him.” (36:16)

Hosts’ Closing Reactions

• Buck: “Felt like... kind of a stealth Republican campaign under the Democrat banner.” (41:11)
• Clay: “He did vote for Kamala, which was obviously a bad move, but everything else that he’s saying... we’re perfectly willing to have on Democrats. Respect will always be met with respect.” (41:37)

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Additional Notables

• Speculation on Tulsi Gabbard: Brief mention that Tulsi might also be leaving the administration, though no confirmation (16:21).
• Upcoming Guests: Announcements for interviews with legal and conservative commentators, including Ann Coulter, to discuss birthright citizenship and AG transitions (42:29–42:50).

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Summary Takeaways

• The hosts frame Bondi’s firing as a pragmatic managerial change, not a political cave-in.
• Possible successors have strong political pedigrees and align closely with MAGA priorities and rapid operational capacity.
• The hour’s interview segment features a rare moderate Georgia Democrat who aligns with many traditionally conservative priorities, reflecting political fluidity in some rural districts.
• Throughout, the tone is punchy, conversational, loyal to their listenership, but open to good-faith dialogue with opposing viewpoints.

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For listeners who missed this episode: This hour delivers clarity on the Trump administration’s thinking around the AG shakeup, speculates on next moves, and provides a detailed look at how issues like border security, cultural debates, and rural American renewal are being discussed—even across the aisle. The conversation is unapologetically partisan, but respectful exchanges with a Democratic candidate show openness to nuanced political discussion in the 2026 landscape.

Transcript

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in to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show and we've got the confirmation of news that was leading the program which is there is a shake up in D.C. pam Bondi is out as Attorney General, I would reiterate where it's in the first hour. I think Pam Bondi is, is from everything that I've seen, I actually don't know her. Do we interviewed her here on the show? I don't think we did.

[Buck Sexton]

I think she wanted to interview. We've never had on.

[Clay Travis]

I feel like maybe when she was Florida Ag Clay. I interviewed her years ago, but I can't even remember now. We do a lot of interviews, but she's a, she's a good woman. She's a patriot. She loves this country. I think she, I think she served honorably. I think that's true. I think she made some mistakes and Trump decided it's time for a change up. Right. Just because you take one player out of the game and you take somebody off the bench and put them in, it's not that the person that's on the bench is a bad person or a bad player even. It's just not right for that moment. So I think that Pam Bondi should, generally speaking, I know there are some criticisms, but generally speaking should be thanked for her service and I know Trump will do so. There's no animus here. This is just a change up. And everybody should feel like when serving at the pleasure of the president means this, that sometimes we got to change things up. Even if you're doing your best, your best isn't necessarily good enough for the moment. And that's okay as long as somebody else steps in who can get it done. Here, Clay, for example, podcast listener Mike in Omaha. This is from the last hour. Now this is confirmed. I want to get some of these talkbacks and calls on the AG situation. This is Talk Back D. Hit it. I couldn't disagree more with you regarding Pam Bondi or even sounds like Tulsi Gabbard as well. Couldn't disagree more. Trump's panicking Joe Biden, the Biden administration, whoever is running it didn't remove one cabinet member in four years. Trump is giving Democrats skins scalps that he does not need to do. 2.0 is imploding, guys. Okay, Mike. Podcast listener Mike, first of all, thank you for listening on the podcast. Second of all, I couldn't disagree with you more. I don't think that Trump is giving the Democrats scalps. I think that if anything, Clay, in this case it's Trump voters, it's maga who feel very annoyed about what happened with Pam Bondi. I don't think there's, there's not some Democrat clamoring that Trump is bending the knee to here. It's a lot of people who listen to this show, who were very bothered by the way the whole Epstein Files thing was handled. And also, I'll just put it to everyone this way. What's the big win from the what's the big win from the DOJ in the last year? What's the big thing we got? Big win at the border with Border Patrol. But what's the big win that they, they've racked up? I mean, you could say, oh, well, law enforcement, that's really more FBI. The law enforcement agents helping out in places like Memphis and D.C. yeah, there's DOJ, of course, and DOJ is part of FBI, but that's a cash Patel first and foremost. And our friend Dan Bongino, when he was in that deputy role. Clay, I mean, how do you see this? I don't. I mean, I don't view this as bending the knee to the left at all. I think this is Trump just saying we got to be a lean, mean machine. We appreciate her, but we're changing it up.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I don't even think this is something that makes Democrats happy at all. I think that's a poor take from the listener there. I think Trump has looked at Krissy Noem and looked at Pam Bondi, and I actually think he has made the decision that if he's going to change anything, then he needs to do it. Like we said in the first hour right now, because you have to get Senate confirmation for the new attorney general, whomever it is. There are reports that it might be Lee Zeldin and I, I look, we try to be as, as honest as we can. And we said this in the first hour. Pam Bondi's bringing in those influencers and giving them the Epstein binders and then saying, I have the Epstein files on my desk as we're speaking right now. Maybe we can go grab that clip that was on Fox News, if I remember correctly, were the biggest unforced errors of the first year and a half of Trump 2.0. That's just the reality now. I don't know what's going on behind scenes now that Trump is saying, hey, I'm ready for a new attorney general, but I'm not surprised that she's on her way out. And I, I don't think this is some sort of scalp that Democrats would happy with. Democrats, I don't even think have come after Pam Bondi that hard, relatively speaking. Pete Hegseth. Oh, they've come after him with everything they've had for two straight years. That's who they that would be bending the knee.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with you. There are people in this administration that if they got shoved out, whether it was true or not, it would look like this was the pressure of Trump opponents being conceded to. I don't see that at all, honestly. And I don't mean this as a slight to Pam Bondi. I think smart Democrats are like, yeah, keep her there, keep her there because she's not, because she hasn't been that effective. And again, I have nothing, you know, she's, I think she tried. I think she's a good person. I appreciate her service to the country. I just don't think you look at Kelly, you're going to put her up with, with Rubio and Besson and we got people that are hitting on all cylinders. We do not have time to waste. We do not have learning on the job time here. And, and I think that Trump sees that and he's making the right move again. He's doing it respectfully. This isn't, there's no bitterness in this. People say it's a firing, it's a replacement.

[Buck Sexton]

Here is the FOX News details. Bondi met with Trump in the Oval Office on Wednesday night ahead of his speech on Iran where she was reportedly informed of her ousting, sources said. This is FOX News reporting. The president is reportedly considering replacing Bondi with EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin. Sources added. Now, first hour, I mentioned two, two names, maybe Lee Zeldin. Trump already knows exactly where he's gonna go. We likely, we've had him on the show a lot over the years. For those of you maybe not familiar with him, former congressman for New York, ran a great campaign trying to flip New York in the 2022 election cycle. Current EPA administrator. Okay, if he were gonna go outside, I'll give one in the Senate, Ted Cruz, when you say, okay, Clay, why do you name a senator? It would need to be a red state senator. You would need to trust the governor who would name a replacement. And that would mean that much like Mark Wayne Mullen, confirmation typically is very easy when someone is in the United States Senate and they are elevated to the attorney general's office. So if he were looking outside of his administration now, I think Ted Cruz in the Senate, maybe even Mike Lee, senator from, from Utah, both from red states would do great jobs. And then the one outside, buck, we mentioned this earlier. If I were picking a governor, if I were picking somebody from outside the administration, Ron DeSantis would be a dominant attorney general, home run pick. Those are my outside picks.

[Clay Travis]

I would put into the mix on all of that. First of all, I think Ron wants to finish. The problem is people like what they're doing. Right. In some cases. Right. The problem is, you know, Ted likes being a senator and I, you know, I think he likes representing the state of Texas. And I think Ron wants to finish out his term as governor to be a governor for, for all time. One he's one of the all time greats. He's a, he's a goat governor as in greatest of all time for the state of Florida. Transform this place and Florida, so many Floridians, I put myself in this category, are truly grateful to him and his team and AG Meyer and just everyone who has really made Florida in such a short period of time. This incredible state and a place where so many people want to come live. The biggest problem now is everyone wants to live here. So housing prices have skyrocketed because, you know, supply and demand still exists. Clay here's one, though. Harmeet Dhillon. Harm, I bet she's, I bet she's in the conversation.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, she's already inside the Department of Justice. So I mean, that would be elevating Todd Blanche. But yeah, I don't think that's a crazy idea either.

[Clay Travis]

You know, that would be somebody who, from the, from the inside, internally, I think would do a very good job. No. Already knows the ropes, already knows everything. I don't really have a read on Todd Blanch, so I can't, I don't know, do you, do you have much of a read on Todd? I know he's the interim, but sometimes the interim just sort of stays on. That's not, my guess is that's not going to happen. But do we have a, what's your take on Todd? Do you have one?

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I think he's super smart. Trump likes him. He's been his, you know, personal lawyer in the past. So there has been report, there have been reports that Bondi and Blanche worked well together. And again, I'm not, obviously I'm not inside the Department of Justice. Not like I cover or know either of these very well. I think he probably is not going to elevate the deputy and leave him there. If he did, he would have to get Senate confirmation as well. One thing that I do think is significant, there are reports that she's already flown back to Florida, Pam Bondi, after being removed last night. Also, Buck, this was Susie Wiles's pick for Attorney general. SUSIE Wiles, CHIEF of STAFF she said, hey, you can trust former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi to come in and help here. Buck, let me give you a crazy scenario since we can sometimes again, reports are it's going to be Lee Zeldin. We'll see whether those end up being accurate. What if Trump elevated Ted Cruz, who's already in the Senate, to attorney general and then to solve the controversy that is currently at play in the Senate in Texas, where you have Ken Paxton and John Cornyn throwing haymakers at each other, what if the current governor, Greg Abbott of Texas, put Ken Paxton in the Senate to serve out the remainder of Ted Cruz's term and end the battle over both of those guys competing in the Senate primary right now? I'm just saying sometimes Ted Cruz is

[Clay Travis]

not going to be attorney general. You know why? Ted Cruz is going to run for president.

[Buck Sexton]

He is going to run for president, but he may decide that being attorney General is a better platform to run for president from then.

[Clay Travis]

You think so?

[Buck Sexton]

Senate? I mean, look at the data historically. Think about the data historically. There aren't very many senators. Barack Obama obviously was one that end up winning. And Joe Biden, I know, was in the Senate for a long time. But I mean, historically prior to.

[Clay Travis]

That's a couple recent ones.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I think I'm correct on this. Historically, prior to Biden, the last senator to be elected president was John F. Kennedy, Jr. So we went 60 years and we've had one senator, one sitting United States senator elected as president. Biden wasn't obviously a sitting senator when he was elected.

[Clay Travis]

Republicans tend to want governors and Democrats tend to elevate. Now, remember, John Kerry obviously was very close to being president, shockingly close to being president. So that would be somebody else that was up there, Kamala Harris. I know she was vp, but, you know, she's really someone from the, the, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

But isn't that kind of a crazy stat? Since John F. Kennedy in 1960, Barack Obama is the only sitting United States senator to be elected president. I believe I'm correct in that. That's kind of.

[Clay Travis]

Who was the last attorney general to be president?

[Buck Sexton]

RFK Jr. If he hadn't gotten shot, maybe. Well, that.

[Clay Travis]

But that doesn't. Yeah, that doesn't count.

[Buck Sexton]

Or sorry. RFK Senior.

[Sean Harris]

Whoa.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, we, I think, are going to have RFK Jr still alive on the show next week. According to producer Ali. He would have been. He would have been the nominee. Right. He was the former attorney general under his brother.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. Well, I just, I think that, I think that it's. And I don't believe I'm speaking out of school here. I'm just observing this. I think Senator Cruz is great. You know, him and Trump are great. Total, total simpatico there. I don't think Cruz wants to be inside the, the broader chicken coop of, of MAGA right now. I think he's got some, all of

[Buck Sexton]

that is a very fair assessment. Cruz is going to run for president and he's going to run from outside of the administration and we'll see what ends up happening with JD Vance and Marco Rubio. But I'm just trying to think through ways that could help preserve the Senate majority and save a lot of money that's otherwise going to be spent. I'm just trying to think through, you know, if you were going to elevate in the United States Senate, you get an easy confirmation if you want somebody who is going to be in the office quickly, just like what happened with Mark Wayne Mullen. And you know, if you have a red state governor, you don't have to worry about losing a Senate seat or for instance, there's nothing we would ever do to Susan Collins. She's never going to be in the Cabinet because she would be replaced by a, by a Democrat. So it'll be interesting and maybe Trump's already made up his mind that Lee Zeldin is the guy. And if he is, then, then we'll see how this plays out.

[Clay Travis]

We like Z's. Z. Lee. Yes, we like, you can see too, he had a good run at the governor's mansion. It didn't work out. I know he got, he got beat. But that helped a lot, you remember, with the House. Because there was enough of.

[Buck Sexton]

We won. That's right.

[Clay Travis]

There was enough of a Republican momentum in the state of New York that Long island, where Lee is actually from, was the difference maker. So anyway, so yeah, again with Bam Bondi. And send us your thoughts on this, by the way, if you want. Agree, disagree with Pam Bondi. Moving on. But I think it's a strong. Also the caller there, I didn't say anything about Tulsi Gabbard. I guess he's just assuming that that's

[Buck Sexton]

maybe another caller talks out there that Tulsi may be on her way out too. We don't know.

[Clay Travis]

Well, just, just to be clear, like I saw, I didn't say that. So that wasn't, you know, that's not for me. I just wanted to clarify the record there that Tulsi, I, I wasn't, yeah. There's some reports that she may go, I've seen those reports. But yeah, all Right. Sorry.

[Buck Sexton]

No, I was going to just. President Trump has put out a statement about Bondi. We will read it for you when we come back.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Sean Harris]

Hey guys, it's great. I'm so happy to be on your show. Look forward to talking to you.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, absolutely. Let's. Can I ask you about this first and given that you are a senior defense official for the State department and your 40 years in the military, what's your take on how things are going in the Middle east right now?

[Sean Harris]

Yeah, you know, thank you for that question. The reality of it is we kind of got ourselves in a, a little bit of a situation. Obviously. Remember last night, the President of the United States. I'm glad he did come up in the net and talk to the American people. However, he didn't actually tell the American people how do we actually get into this war? And furthermore, he didn't tell us exactly how we're going to get out of it. And then the last piece is, what does it look like the day after? Because as some of you may know, your villagers may know that if you break it, you own it. And I just want to make sure that as we working our way through this, you know, our military's most powerful military walks the face of the earth. We will win this war with our military. But I am concerned if we don't watch it, we could lose this war politically because the American people don't understand what we're doing and why we're doing it.

[Buck Sexton]

If you were in Congress right now and there were war resolution and the President was asking to be able to fight Iran, he's not, he's saying it's not a war and they haven't requested this. But would you have supported the President's strikes in Iran if based on your background, 40 years in the military, former Brigadier General, would you have said, yes, we should take the Ayatollah out if you had been asked?

[Sean Harris]

Yeah. You know, the reality of it is when we move to the top secret side, and I know if I'm not mistaken, Book was CIA. So he understands exactly what I'm talking about here is when we go to the top, top secret level, I fully expect the President and his staff to come in and brief Congress. I also expect Congress to do their job. And based on that information, if it was a fact that they actually had the potential to have nuclear weapons again, then yes. But if it wasn't clear because we're getting conflicting information at this point and as you see, Pam Bungley has just been fired from her job, but we're getting conflicting information. So based on the information, I would have either voted yes or based on the lack of information, I would have told the President, you need to come in here and tell the American people exactly why we're getting into this. Because many of us did 20 plus years in a forever war and we don't need to do that again.

[Clay Travis]

General, so far, everything you're saying sounds entirely reasonable and well thought out. I just have this question. You're a Democrat, what's going on?

[Sean Harris]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Why, why are you a Democrat? Now you got to tell us this because we don't have too many Democrats who joined.

[Sean Harris]

I, I would tell you, you know, the reality of it is I would not be on your show talking to you today if not, if my military Fellow veterans wouldn't have came over to my farm when we first got home from Israel. I'm putting up a fence. And they say, hey, sir, you still got too much fire on your belly. We looked at your bio. You got it, whatever that it is. We want you to run against Marjorie Taylor Greene in the primary. And when they said the word primary, I had to say to them, hey, guys, I need to have a conversation. When they say what I said, guys, you know, in the military, we don't talk about being a Democrat, Independent, or Republican. But I got to tell you the truth, if we're going to go down a road and a path like this, I am a moderate Democrat. And they took about a minute and said, okay, we still want to support you. So it was Republicans here in Northwest Georgia who actually recruited me. It's Republicans in Northwest Georgia still supporting me. However, I am a Democrat, but I am not tied to a party. And that was makes me different because leadership matters. And when I get to D.C. i'm going to stand up strictly for the people here in Northwest Georgia only, period. And that's when I get there. That's why the Republicans want to know how I'm going to vote and the Democrats want to know how I'm going to vote.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, a big part, obviously, given how close the House is, you know, a very slim difference between who the speaker is, whether it's a Democrat or Republican. If you were elected as a Democrat, though, I presume you would be voting for Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker.

[Sean Harris]

2. I, you know, I can't just sit here on your show and tell you that, because the reality of it is, if the Democrats take over the House, I'm assuming there's going to be a lot of people that's going to be fighting for that position. At the end of the day, my focus will be on whoever that is. How is that person going to be looking at the rural community? Because I believe that right now the rural community is being left out and being left behind. So I'm going to be voting for whoever is going to say, sean, we will make sure that every time we have a discussion, we're looking through a lens of the rural community. And, oh, by the way, Sean, we're going to get the farm bill done so we can take care of people in the rural community, those farmers that are out there, instead of just talking about it. So that's where I'm at. I don't know Akeem Jeffries. I don't know him personally. However, I have Briefed him in my other capacities, Brigadier General Harris as a senior defense official in Israel. So pretty much every leader or every representative in Congress right now, I have personally briefed when they came over to Israel. So they already know me. They know I'm a straight shooter, and they know I can stand on my own two feet and fight for the people here in the United States. But specifically here in Northwest Georgia now

[Buck Sexton]

we're talking to former Brigadier General Sean Harris. He's running in Northwest Georgia for the congressional seat being vacated by Marjorie Taylor Greene as a Democrat against Clay Fuller, a Republican. There's a big governor's race going on in Georgia. There's a big Senate race going on in Georgia. You say you're a moderate Democrat. What do you think? I'm just kind of curious about men competing in women's sports. This happened in Atlanta. You got Leah Thomas, who was a man identifying as a woman, won an NCAA title. Would you support that, or do you think only men should be in men's sports and women in women's sports? Because most Democrats publicly. Right. Say if you're a man who identifies as a woman, you should be able to compete in. In women's sports.

[Sean Harris]

Yeah, I, I tell you, I like these type questions because these are the type questions that try to, to take me in a particular path. And that's why I say I'm a moderate Democrat. Where I stand is this. I know the difference between a man and a woman, and I want men to play on men's sports, women to play on me in women's sports. And I want sports to be fair and I want sports to be fun. So that's, that's where I'm at. And here in Northwest Georgia, you spoke about Atlanta, but here in Northwest Georgia, we just trying to make ends meet. We, we are trying to make sure that we can feed our families and bring jobs here. And that's why I continue to talk about kitchen table issues. I don't dodge any questions at all. But the reality of it is the people here in Northwest Georgia, Democrats, Independents, and yes, Republicans are saying, sean, we want you to stay focused 100% on us. And the issue that you're talking about is not an issue here in Northwest Georgia because our girls play on girl teams, our boys play on boys teams, and that's what makes me different. As a moderate Republican, I'm going to make sure I stay laser focused on what is happening here in rural America, because I live in Rockmark, Georgia. Small town. Small town America. That's where I was born and raised in Blakely, Georgia, southwest Georgia. And that's what I'm all about.

[Clay Travis]

General, can I ask you. There are some issues that no matter where you are in the country, clearly the federal policy and legislation affects you. Right? And that's why we have a federal government, we have state, we have local. So, for example, the border and illegal immigration, I don't care if somebody's in New York City or they're in rural Georgia or they're in, you know, Montana, anywhere in the country. Illegal immigration is something that affects people because of the, of the representation in Congress that it affects, because of the costs, because of all those things that we know. Do you agree with the securing of the border under the Trump administration? And would you vote alongside Republicans who are trying to, for example, fund ICE and continue deportations, or would you vote with Democrats against that?

[Sean Harris]

Yeah. Let me, let me break your question down into two parts because I love complex questions, but as a retired general, I need to make sure I stay laser focused on your answer. The first part of your question talked about the southern border. I agree 100%. President Trump got it spot on. He got it right because President Biden and Vice President Harris, they lost the ball and they were letting all kind of people in. So when it comes to the southern border, I want to be clear, the southern border needs to stay closed, and President Trump does it right, And I'm going to support him on that. Now, when it comes to immigration, the president said that he was going to actually go at the worst of the worst, murders, rapists, whatever else. I'm 100% behind him on that. However, the difference is because I've served in our military and I actually have served with ice. ICE role is to be doing things down by the water, and I should be picking up the worst of the worst from our jails throughout the country. They should not be on the street being like a regular cop, because if you kill somebody, Americans, then we definitely have to look at it. So the reality of it is on the second part of the answer is this. I want to make sure that ICE is functional, but I want to make sure that they follow the rules of their own organization as regular police officers and go back into their mission. The President of the United States has you as you know, something was going on because he fired whoever was in charge of H hss and in addition to that, I think the new person that just got it the other day, forgive me, I can't remember his name as we're speaking. I think you have Already starting to see he's starting to make some changes, and I believe those changes are going to be for the better. So that is how I would answer that question. Because I am different. And I. I don't like when people try to put me in a box, because Sean Harris can never be put in a box. Because I'm focused right here on the people here in northwest Georgia, and I want to make sure that I'm supporting them and what they have said to me, Sean, make sure that southern border stays closed. We're going to do that, Sean. We want to make sure that ICE is doing their job the right way, and we're going to do that.

[Clay Travis]

Sean, you sound like a good man. You also sound like a Republican. So I'm just sitting here, I don't

[Sean Harris]

have to tell you, I tell you, maybe that's the. Maybe that's the reason why they came and recruited me. And maybe that's the reason why Republicans in this district are saying, you know what, Sean, we gonna give you a chance, and if you don't do your job between now and November, we're gonna fire you. And you know what I said to them? Perfect. Because as a leader, I love for people to hold me accountable. And, and that's why more than 7,000 people in this district got my direct phone number and they can call me and ask me a question just like you do. And I don't dodge them. Not one day. I look forward to going to D.C. having, doing the hard work, bringing back generational jobs here. And when I say generational jobs, if you'll just let me say this, I thought last night was outstanding because we proved last night that as Americans, when we work together, we can launch, go around the moon, come back, land, and then guess what we're going to do? We're going to go to the moon. Then we're going to put people on the moon. We're going to put a nuclear reaction on the moon. And after we do all that, in a few years, we're going to go to a place called Mars. And when I get to dc, I'm going to make sure that we bring generational jobs right back here to northwest Georgia. Like Huntsville is nowhere from us. And those jobs will be the jobs that our people work in for the rest of their lives and their kids life and the grandchildren's life to make sure that we are part of the mission of putting somebody on Mars. And that is the difference between me and my opponent.

[Buck Sexton]

Last question for you, Brigadier General Sean Harris. With us running as The Democrat in Northwest Georgia in a special election to replace Marjorie Taylor Greene. And then the election will happen again in November, in 2024. Did you vote for Kamala Harris or Donald Trump?

[Sean Harris]

I'm not going to lie to you. I voted for Kamala Harris. However, at the end of the day, I said even in that election against Marjorie Taylor Greene, when I get to D.C. if Trump is doing something right, I'm going to, I'm going to say yes and support him. But what I will also say is this. Marjorie Taylor Greene 2.0, the new Marjorie Taylor Greene. If you listen to her statements, now she talks about health care, now she talks about insurance. Now she talks about we need to help our farmers. Now she talks about being in a war of choice. And now she talks about we need to release the Epstein files. Marjorie Taylor Greene positions have moved closer to Sean Harris as the moderate versus Sean Harris moving toward Marjorie Taylor Greene. So what we actually say here in the district is Democrats, Independents and Republicans are all saying this Sean Harris is different. He's a leader. He can stand on his own two feet. I don't need any major endorsements for major people. I don't need to take money from other organizations. We are not selling our soul to anybody, any organization, so that we can go to D.C. and actually represent the hard working people in this district. Because the hard working people in this district deserve somebody that's finally going to listen to them. And that person is me.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you for the time, sir. Brigadier General Sean Harris, running in Northwest Georgia in the special election. Appreciate the time and thanks for coming on with us.

[Sean Harris]

Thanks guys. Look forward to coming back.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

So if you're wondering why didn't that interview, first of all, he was completely guy has 40 years military. We respect him. We respect his service and he was totally respectful on the air. Let us ask questions, responded as he wanted to. So we're not going to just because someone's a Democrat. We're Americans. We're human beings. We're going to talk to anyone who comes on here. Respect will always be met with respect. I did think it was funny, though, where I'm like, how exactly are you a Democrat? I mean, he did vote for Kamala. He voted for Kamala, which was obviously a bad move. But everything else that he's saying anyway. But yes, we have to have people on because we will abide by the rules and, and we're perfectly willing to have on Democrats. I think there will be some Democrats, Clay, who, come on. Who will say that women can have penises. And that will be quite a discussion. But Brigadier General Harris was not one of them. So fair enough.

[Buck Sexton]

No doubt. We'll come back. We've got a couple of guests coming your way. Katie Zachariah, we'll be honest. And then you want to talk about throwing.

[Clay Travis]

She's a lawyer, by the way. We could talk to her about Bondi stuff as well. Yep.

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Oh, yeah, Border stuff. Pam Bondi stuff. Colter is going to come out with the flamethrower. Everybody get ready for it.

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Well, she really with the birthright citizenship, has been talking about this for a generation. We'll see what she thought of the Supreme Court questioning. That's all next.

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