Hour 2 - All Lives Matter

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 2: All Lives Matter

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: Hour 2 - All Lives Matter
• Release Date: August 8, 2025
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton address major news stories, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor, covering topics from the border crisis to cancel culture and far-left missteps.

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Introduction

Timestamp: [03:44]

Clay Travis welcomes listeners back to the second hour of the show, expressing amusement as he returns from a commercial break. He sets the stage for a deep dive into the cultural shifts impacting college admissions and broader societal norms. Highlighting viral sorority dance videos from SEC schools, Clay underscores the changing landscape of higher education and societal expectations.

Main Discussion: Grant Napier’s Story

Timestamp: [03:44] – [17:57]

Introducing Grant Napier: Clay introduces Grant Napier, a long-time sports commentator who faced career repercussions for his controversial statement, "All Lives Matter." Grant joins the show to recount the events of the summer of 2020, a tumultuous period marked by the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement and the COVID-19 pandemic.

Grant’s Experience: Grant narrates how, on May 31, 2020, he responded to an NBA player’s tweet about BLM with his own six-word statement, "All lives matter!!!" This comment led to immediate backlash:

• Quote: “...by 2:40, I had been fired by a radio station that I was at for 26 years...” ([08:07])
• He also resigned from his 32-year role as the TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on the same day.

Public vs. Private Reactions: Grant discusses the dichotomy between public criticism and private support. While publicly he faced outrage and was scapegoated, privately, many industry figures expressed support but were too fearful to speak up:

• Quote: “...every single one said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They were too afraid.” ([08:49])

Cultural Shift and Cancel Culture: The conversation delves into how the events of 2020 represented a cultural shift towards heightened political correctness and the pitfalls of cancel culture. Grant emphasizes that globally, such divisive debates are uncommon, highlighting America’s unique struggle with these issues:

• Quote: “This is, I think, the most American problem because other countries don't have this daily conversation.” ([12:02])

Reconciliation and Comeback: Fast forward five years, Grant shares his journey towards reinstatement in the media industry. Despite initial resistance, he successfully launched a podcast featuring notable sports figures, leading to his return to Sacramento radio:

• Quote: “...the first guest on my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a problem with me saying all lives matter.” ([11:13])

Reactions and Reflections

Timestamp: [17:47] – [38:56]

Clay's Perspective: Clay reflects on Grant Napier's experience as emblematic of broader societal and cultural missteps. He criticizes the lack of courage among individuals with financial security to stand up against prevailing social norms, labeling them as "cowards":

• Quote: “...money is only useful in the context of what it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do.” ([38:56])

Impact of Social Media: Clay discusses the role of social media in amplifying cancel culture, making it easier for individuals to face repercussions for their statements. He emphasizes the fear of losing one’s job as a significant deterrent to speaking out:

• Quote: “...I bet a lot of you wrote something on Facebook... and then you hit delete because you said, I can't afford to lose my job.” ([38:56])

Character and Courage: The hosts delve into the importance of character and courage, particularly during crises like the COVID-19 pandemic and the BLM movement. They highlight how true character is revealed when individuals stand up for their beliefs despite potential backlash:

• Quote: “...if you're the kind of person who looks around, worries all the time about what people are gonna say about you, you become even more of a coward the more money you get.” ([38:56])

Listener Interaction and Additional Insights

Timestamp: [25:24] – [26:13]

Listener Call-In: A listener named Lou, a geologist, engages in a light-hearted segment comparing the historical heights of the Smoky Mountains to the modern Rocky Mountains.

Legal and Political Commentary

Timestamp: [19:29] – [44:58]

Court Rulings and Political Impact: Clay transitions to discussing recent legal developments affecting the Trump administration. He explains a federal appeals court’s reversal of a ruling that sought to limit President Trump’s authority under the Alien Enemies Act:

• Quote: “...an individual federal district court judge does not have the power to say to the President of the United States, turn that plane around and bring it back to the country.” ([19:29])

Ongoing Legal Battles: He elaborates on the frequent involvement of court decisions in political narratives, noting the ongoing challenges faced by the Trump administration and the broader implications for executive authority.

Conclusion: Lessons and Future Outlook

Timestamp: [38:56] – [44:58]

Lessons Learned: Clay and Grant discuss the enduring lessons from Napier’s experience, emphasizing the need for bravery and the dangers of societal conformity driven by fear of backlash.

Looking Forward: Clay hints at future discussions on America’s healing process, cultural impacts, and the role of testosterone in societal behaviors, setting the stage for upcoming episodes.

Final Thoughts: Clay reiterates the importance of personal responsibility and courage, encouraging listeners to reflect on their actions and stand up for their beliefs despite potential risks.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

1. Grant Napier on Losing His Job:

   • “...by 2:40, I had been fired by a radio station that I was at for 26 years...” ([08:07])

2. On Lack of Support:

   • “...every single one said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They were too afraid.” ([08:49])

3. Cultural Division:

   • “This is, I think, the most American problem because other countries don't have this daily conversation.” ([12:02])

4. On Courage and Cowardice:

   • “...money is only useful in the context of what it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do.” ([38:56])
   • “...if you're the kind of person who looks around, worries all the time about what people are gonna say about you, you become even more of a coward the more money you get.” ([38:56])

5. Legal Authority:

   • “...an individual federal district court judge does not have the power to say to the President of the United States, turn that plane around and bring it back to the country.” ([19:29])

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Key Takeaways:

• Cancel Culture's Impact: The episode highlights how cancel culture can abruptly end long-standing careers over controversial statements, even when support exists privately.

• Courage vs. Cowardice: Emphasizes the importance of personal bravery in speaking out against prevailing social norms and the detrimental effects of financial security on one's willingness to take a stand.

• Cultural Shifts in America: Discusses the unique nature of America's cultural and societal debates compared to other countries, suggesting a need for healing and understanding.

• Legal Battles and Executive Authority: Provides insights into ongoing legal disputes affecting presidential powers, illustrating the intertwining of law and politics in current events.

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This episode serves as a critical examination of societal pressures, the ramifications of cancel culture, and the enduring struggle for personal integrity in a polarized environment. Through Grant Napier’s personal story, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide a platform for discussing broader cultural and political issues impacting America.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in our number two Glacier Avis Buck Sexton Show. I'm laughing as I come back out of break. You guys know I started off in the world of sports and the colleges are all returning to campus. And during the commercial break, I'm scrolling through, checking to see what all the latest news is. And I don't know how many of you have seen these kind of stories. I bet your kids and your grandkids have. As part of recruitment for all the kids going back to schools, the sororities are doing all sorts of sorority dance videos. One of our writers at Outkick, Joe Kinsey, who does fabulous work there, posted a video yesterday of one of the SEC sororities. It got 11 million views on Twitter. And these things are trending everywhere. And I was just joking because I just shared the video that he shared on social media. And I'm not, I'm kind of partly kidding about this, but not it's going to be harder in the future to get into SEC schools than it is to get into Ivy League schools because I tweet about this and we're about to bring in Grant Napier and I want to get his story because I think it all kind of ties in with the cultural shift that we're seeing. When I was a kid, you basically had to have a pulse to get into an SEC school. I graduated high school in 1997, and I could have gotten into the University of Tennessee, maybe as a dead man. They probably would have admitted me if I could have paid the tuition. Right now, the University of Tennessee has a 38% admit rate. Ole Miss. And people in Mississippi are going to kind of know when you had a kid that was a troublemaker and couldn't get into any other school, you were like, all right, I guess we'll send him to Ole Miss. It's hard to get into Ole Miss now. Kids in LA and Chicago and New York City are cutting each other in their admissions counselor offices to try to get an invite to Starkville, Mississippi. I, I've never seen anything like this. Every Southern big school that plays football, every cute girl wants to go there, and every guy who likes cute girls wants to go there too. And there's a lot of those people all over the country. But anyway, let's bring in Grant Napier. I do think it's emblematic of the cult cultural shift that we are seeing across the country, but I want to go back in time, way, way back in time, to five years ago in the summer of 2020. Grant Napier with us now. And Grant, I just want you to tell this audience your story because we talked about it back in the day when I was doing my sports talk radio show and everybody kind of turned their backs on you. But tell me, just kind of take for this audience, tell them what was going on with you in the summer of 2020 and what happened to you. I'm just going to give you the floor.

[Grant Napier]

On May 31st of 2020, I was sitting in my living room watching TV and I got a phone call from the head coach now of the Sacramento Kings, Doug Christie, who is my co host on my radio show. And he said, napes, did you see DeMarcus Cousins tweet? I said, no, I don't follow him. As a matter of fact, I muted him and he said, you should check it out. So I did, and it was at Grant Napier show, what do you think of blm? And I said something like, hey, I haven't heard from you in years. I thought you forgot about me. And I responded with six words, all lives matter, every single one in capital letters with three exclamation points. Well, all of a sudden I'm getting a lot of calls and messages. Oh, wow, I can't believe you said that. That was Sunday night at about 6 o' clock Tuesday afternoon. By 2:40, I had been fired by a radio station that I was at for 26 years, same time slot for 26 years, highly rated show. And then I resigned as the 32 year TV voice of the Sacramento Kings on that same day. That was five years ago.

[Clay Travis]

This is, I mean, I think it's important to remind people of what was going on. So I want to follow this back up. You tweeted in response to an NBA player tweeting to you about Black lives Matter. All lives matter. Every single one. And you lost your radio job, sports talk radio job of 26 years, and your 32 year Sacramento Kings television announcing job was gone as well. Okay, that is, I mean, it is really very staggering. What was the response, both publicly and privately to all of that happening to you in the early summer of 2020?

[Grant Napier]

Privately, people were outraged. They were blown away. I had some of the biggest names in the sportscasting industry reach out to me, talking about how they couldn't believe it. And then they were telling me that, gee, they're going to be nervous about saying something that maybe they shouldn't or it's going to be misconstrued. But what was amazing is every single one of them said, I would love to speak up for you publicly, but I can't. They were too afraid. That was what it was like. People were too afraid to speak out and, and come to my defense. Publicly, I had a lot of support. But unfortunately, this was one week after the murder of George Floyd. You know what's crazy about this, Clay? Leading up to that May 31, May 25, was when George Floyd was murdered. I mean, I had a lot of positive tweets about what was going on, supporting everything that was going on. Nobody spent five minutes to go back and look at those tweets. It was like, oh, wait a minute. We have to fire Grant Napier. We have to show Black Lives Matter don't come after us. Oh, no, we fired a guy that said all lives matter. They panicked. I mean, think about that, Clay. A 32 year career, a 26 year career. I didn't have one thing in either HR department with the Sacramento Kings or Bonneville International. And here's something else that's interesting. If you go to Bonneville International right now, if you Google Bonneville International leadership and you look at their leadership, every single person is either a white male or a white female. No people of color, no minorities. It's a freaking joke. It's a. It's an absolute joke. And I was the scapegoat. I was the sacrificial lamb to tell Black Lives Matter, hey, don't Come after us. We just fired a guy that said all lives matter. It was unbelievable.

[Clay Travis]

I remember covering it, and I believe we had you on. And we talked about the fact that this was ridiculous. There was almost nobody else that would say it. Why? Why? What lessons sitting here five years later do you think the country needs to take and to learn? What would you hope, by the way, before we get into the lessons, let's go to the reason. I was very excited to see this. You now are coming back on the air. Sacramento is one of the biggest audiences this show has, so we appreciate everybody listening to us in California. You are going to be back on the air after five years doing sports talk radio in Sacramento. Tell us about that.

[Grant Napier]

Well, I'm very excited. It just kind of all happened over the last couple of months. If you had asked me a year ago if I thought I'd be back on Sacramento radio, I would have said no way. I've been doing a podcast. I started doing a podcast In October of 2020, just a couple of months after I was fired. And isn't it just crazy? My first guest on my podcast, Charles Barkley, he didn't have a problem with me saying all lives matter. I had Dusty Baker on. I've had a lot of former Kings on, Spud Webb, Reggie this. I had former head coach Keith Smart on. I mean, I can go on and on and on. They didn't have any problem with it. It was just a joke. But I am going back September 2nd. I'm starting on Fox Sports Radio Sacramento. I'm very excited about it. But you, you asked me a question about, you know, what have I learned in the last five years? You know, Zubi. Zubi music.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Grant Napier]

Well over a million followers on social media. And I wrote this down a couple of years ago because I thought he. He deals in common sense. He's like you. You know, you guys deal in common sense. He wrote black lives matter because all lives matter. White lives matter because all lives matter. All lives couldn't matter if black or white lives didn't matter or any others. Stop being dumb and dividing over basic stuff we already agree on. Here's what I've learned over the last five years. I've been blessed to travel. I've been to Europe. I frequently go to Thailand. And I've talked to a lot of people from a lot of different cultures, different backgrounds, different countries. We're the only people, I think, on the planet that are even debating this and talking about this. This is not a topic anywhere else in the world. I don't understand why here we are in 2025 and there are people even on my social media over the last 24 hours, you know, talking about, well, gee, didn't he learn you can't say all lives matter? No, those are very much in the minority. Those were only a few people. But the point is there are still some people in that think that all lives matter is a racist comment. I don't get that. All lives matter. Every single one doesn't have any gray area. To me, all lives matter. Every single one I would think is pretty self explanatory, but I think Zubi summarized it perfectly. So what have I learned in the last five years? I've learned that it's really only an issue in America with the woke culture and if you're not politically correct, you're going to get attacked. I mean, it's a joke. It's an absolute joke. What I've gone through, I've got great support. I don't have any problem putting my head on the pillow at night. I'm grateful for this opportunity to get back to Sacramento radio. But again, I don't know what the big deal is. And you know, it's such a shame that in America, and I don't want to go off on a tangent here, but everything's about black and white. Why does it have to be like that again? When I travel around the world and talk to people from different cultures, it's not like that there in Thailand, which I love and it's a great country. They don't care what your ethnicity is, your religion, your sexual orientation. They're just good people, they're happy people, they work. They don't even talk about this stuff. But in America, it's like a daily conversation. I don't understand it.

[Clay Travis]

I think this is an important conversation and I want to go back to the difference between public and private commentary. What I try to do, for better or worse, and I screw up all the time on the show, I can barely pronounce half the words that I try to say on a day to day basis. Especially as anybody long term listening would recognize, try to have fun with it. Um, but what I try to do is there's very little difference between what I would say publicly and what I would say privately. And I think that's why people have never really been able grant to come after me because that's what I've done my whole career. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I'm just saying there is no gap if I go to this Atlanta Braves game tonight, which I'm going to do with my kids, and you see me there. What I would say to you in person is the same thing that I would say on the radio. Now, maybe occasionally I curse at a sporting event. You know, things like that. I have FCC restrictions here, so, you know, with that limited difference for you, what I found during the BLM era, during COVID during the summer of 2020, all of that, so many people said to me privately. I agree 100% with everything you're saying, but I'm afraid to say it publicly.

[Grant Napier]

And.

[Clay Travis]

And that's how the world becomes. What happened to you is people know it's wrong, but they're afraid of being targeted themselves. And I imagine you saw better than most that dichotomy between what people would say to you privately and what might be said publicly.

[Grant Napier]

Totally. You're 100% correct. And here's another aspect of what I went through five years ago. So I was fired. I had my career literally turned upside down in 36 hours. In the early 2000, I started a foundation in Sacramento called the Future Foundation. I had an annual golf tournament. And what we did is we took underprivileged at need students from high schools in the Sacramento area. All right? They had to fit a certain criteria. These were first generational college students. I mean, it was incredible. My foundation that I raised the money for, we put 104 students into college and through college, most of whom were minorities, okay? Nobody spent five minutes and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. Look at what this guy's done for the community. Look what he's done for the black community. I think we had 38 students of color that I put through college. It's like, that didn't matter. It's just. It was just a knee jerk, ridiculous action by the company that fired me. And I agree with you about the private, public thing. I think things are different now. I don't. I think people are much more open about coming out and feeling confident about speaking their opinion and what they believe in. But in 2020, people were paranoid. You know that, Clay. I mean, people that. Listen, if you were white. I'm just. You know this. If you were a white person in the media, okay, you had to be walking on eggshells to go out and say anything even remotely negative about Black Lives Matter. I mean, you would have been canceled. I was canceled, right? I was canceled five years ago. I was part of the cancel culture, and everyone knows it.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I think so. Well, Look, Grant, congratulations on your new radio show in Sacramento. Again, I know a lot of people out there listening to us right now in Sacramento know you well and I am glad that you are finally getting back to doing what you do well. But I do think it's a lesson of how the world lost its mind in sports and otherwise, culture, politics, everywhere else. I appreciate you making the time for us and congrats on the new show.

[Grant Napier]

Well, thanks for having me on. Bottom line, I'm happy. I have no regrets. I'm all good and I can't wait for this next chapter and I greatly respect you. Love your work and thanks for having me on.

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show a lot of reaction weighing in to Grant Napier's story there. I think a lot of people can see in him a story that was completely wrong and I think it's emblematic of us attempting to rectify some of those wrongs from five years ago that he is coming back on the air and I wish him well in Sacramento. I got a big theory for you on culture that I'm going to hit you with at the top of the bottom of this Next hour. But in the meantime, I never would have expected to get a call like this, but Lou in Louisiana has called in. He's a geologist, and he wants to talk about tall mountains. Lou, what you got?

[Grant Napier]

Hey, Clay. Appreciate it. Yeah, I am a geologist, and I wanted to let Colorado guy know that during the Paleozoic era, the Rocky. The Rocky mountains are about 12,000ft, but in the Paleozoic era, the Smoky Mountains were as high as the Alps, which are over 20,000ft, which basically dwarf his Colorado Rockies. Just so he'll know.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, wow, this is mountain trash talk. So the Smoky Mountains would have been, what, 20,000? Some odds. So they're just older and they've been, like, worn down. Is that what's happened?

[Grant Napier]

Precisely. They were over 20,000ft. They were high as the Alps are currently. So maybe the Colorado Rockies have a ways to go, but I think they're pretty much spent in terms of height. But we'll see about that. I mean, if you can hang out another 400 million years, we'll find out.

[Clay Travis]

But anyway, thank you for the call, Lou. That is a shot. Thank you for the call. That is shots fired back at Colorado. Oh, yeah, your mountains are fine now, but only because the Smoky Mountains were so much more spectacular than yours that they have endured for so long that they have lost 14,000 square feet or height elevation. It's like the tallest man in the world, except now he's got arthritis and you're picking on him. Colorado, frankly, maybe you should be canceled for all the Colorado trash talk. When we come back, my thesis on America healing itself and some of the evidence of it out there. But in the meantime, it is college season, and this is going to tie in with my thesis here coming your way. And during college, a lot of kids, grandkids go back to college. And unfortunately, there are a lot of safety issues in a lot of different college campus communities. 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Saberradio.coms a b r e radio.com that's saberradio.com welcome back in Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON SHOW all right, Grant Napier, if you missed that right at the top of the hour here in hour two, Friday Edition, I do think it is really indicative I want to have a big conversation about this because I do think that much of the ills that have been created in this country are slowly being eradicated. And I think a lot of it is directly connected to social media. And I've been thinking a lot about this because culture and I understand, by the way, in the third hour we're going to talk about Hollywood movies some and I understand. Let me give you a couple of updates because everything is basically a court decision that happens every single day. If you notice that almost every bit of opposition for Trump is now court related. So it feels like every day we have a different Department of Justice update, we have a different circuit court update, district court update. I never would have believed when I went to Law School 20 some odd years ago that I would end up doing what I do today and that so much of everything would boil down to what judges are saying on a diff on a day to day basis. But I do want to mention this because it is a significant court ruling and it's in favor of Trump, as most of these rulings frankly have been. And so let me give this to you straight. This happened in the last hour and a half or so. I mentioned already that Pam Bondi has authorized special prosecutor Ed Martin to look into Senator Adam Schiff of California and Letitia James relating to mortgage fraud. This is, I'm reading directly from Bill Malugian at Fox News. A federal appeals court has reversed Federal Judge James Boasberg's ruling of probable cause to hold the Trump administration in contempt of court over the deportation of Venezuelan illegal aliens to El Salvador via the Alien Enemies act, legal win for Trump administration. And that is very detailed, packed with legalese there. But basically what it means is the president can put illegal immigrants on airplanes, especially if they have violent records, and send them out of the country. And individual judges don't have the power to decide, hey, turn that plane around. You don't have executive authority to do that. So this is the D.C. circuit. Uh, this was one Judge Boseberg who is basically decided that he is the Trump opposition. The chief of the Trump opposition in judicial robes. The, the sitting, not the full D.C. circuit, but a three judge panel has overturned that decision two to one. So from here, and again, I never would have believed that this is what I would go to law school and end up doing. Because I didn't think really that the courts would essentially become our news stories on a day to day basis. From here, there is either a full appeal to the entire D.C. circuit, all of them, there are a bunch of judges there, or this would then go on to the Supreme Court if it were in some way appealed, and we would find out whether or not it is able to, that that ruling is able to stand. I'm here to tell you it is not. An individual federal district court judge, as we told you when this happened, does not have the power to say to the President of the United States, turn that plane around and bring it back to the country. Uh, that is crazy. The fact that he attempted to do it is crazy. It is not dissimilar to what happened in the 9th Circuit when you had, I believe it was Judge Breyer, a federal district court judge there, try to say Trump didn't have the ability to call in the Guard to help with all of the protests that were going on against ice. If the President can't call in state and National Guard, and if he doesn't have the power when he sees issues arising to put them down, then there is no supremacy clause. And we told you this at the time, individual state governors cannot overrule the President of the United States when it comes to issues relating to the National Guard or to the State Guard. So anyway, all of that has continued to be a battle. Trump is in the right. All of the resistance 2.0 is not coming, by and large, from the Democrat Party. Uh, it's not coming from organized mass protests. There's been virtually none. There is not the energy this term to be doing that, even with likely money being spent by Trump's adversaries. So it's basically federal district court judges who have decided, we don't like some of the decisions that Trump is making and we are going to oppose them. So that happened today. Boseberg in D.C. being shot down by the three judge panel that considered the ruling that he attempted to put in place that would have limited President Trump's power. Okay, uh, now you just heard from Grant Napier, who was fired. He said he spent 32 years as the voice of the Sacramento Kings, 26 years doing sports and he lost his job for tweeting All Lives Matter every single one. Five years later, credit to Fox Sports Radio Sacramento, he is being given back his ability to talk about sports on the radio. But I don't know if there is a Better story out there than Grant Napiers. To illustrate just how crazy the country went and how crazy sports went, I did a story, and I was one of the few people who would actually speak out in favor of Grant. Because Buck likes to joke about this sometimes, but when you attack me, I double or triple or quadruple down. I don't tiptoe up. I don't step back and say, hey, I'm sorry, I was wrong here. I knew in real time, as most people did, firing somebody for tweeting, all lives matter. Every single one is indefensible. It is indisputably true, and it is not racist, and it is not worthy of someone losing their job, a job that they had done well for 32 years and 26 years, most people knew that most people were cowards. And this is how Buck and I met, because Buck was similar in that he didn't back down surrounding Covid. He didn't back down surrounding blm, and neither did I. And what has often disappointed me, and I'm glad that we're in the payback stage, where so many people who made so many awful decisions are now being rejected, being held accountable. But I'm still very troubled that all of that happened, because what it told me about human nature is cowardice is far more common than bravery. And what it told me was a lot of people will shut their mouths if they think anything negative might happen to them, even if they know what's going on is wrong. And I, back in those days, would regularly come on my show and I would call out rich people because I got so angry. I understand. I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's right. It makes me sick to my stomach. But I understood in 2020, if you had a job, you were trying to get your kid into college, you had a mortgage to pay, and you just said, I can't afford to lose this job. I understand why a lot of those people were afraid to speak out because they had no power. And that's why, really, starting about 2020, when I would see people out in public, and certainly since I've started doing this show with Buck in 2020, 2021, what people would come up and say to me was, you say what? I wish I could say. Thank you. And as a guy who did sports, I never had heard that before, because it's sports, right? Like, who cares? I love it. But if I say that your team's going to win the super bowl or lose the super bowl or win the National Championship or not win the national championship. Bad. That was a bad call. I love it. But it's the toy chest of life. Unless you're on the team, own the team, or are in some way directly compensated by the team, whoever wins a championship doesn't probably change your life that much. But in 2020, during COVID during BLM, when they tried to put President Trump in prison for the rest of his life, that stuff really does matter. And so I understood if you were out there and you were struggling and you just wanted to pay your mortgage and you just wanted to get your kids into school and you would get on social media and you would think, man, I really want to say something. I bet a lot of you wrote something on Facebook. I bet a lot of you wrote something on Twitter or Instagram or maybe even an email that you were thinking about sending inside of your company. And then you hit delete because you said, I can't afford to lose my job. And your primary job as a dad or a mom, in my opinion, is to provide for your family. Everything else is secondary. So I understood why those people, why many of y' all out there. I have been in this world before. I understood why a lot of people hit delete. The people that I still have a lot of contempt for are the people who were filthy rich, said they agreed with everything that I said and then never spoke out. Cause I gotta be honest with y'.

[Grant Napier]

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[Clay Travis]

If you have FU money, if you have money where you're never gonna have to worry about paying a mortgage, you got a second home, you got a third home, you got fancy cars, you got kids that you can stroke a check for to go to any college in the country. Your cowardice made me sick. And I saw it everywhere. People who run companies, people who never had to worry about anything financially for the rest of their life, they turned tail. They, to me, were the biggest cowards. Because they were the kind of people who said, fire. Fire Grant Napier for saying all lives matter. Every single one. And frankly, I'm never gonna forgive those people because a lot of em now, they're front runners, they're cheerleaders. Yay, we get a tax cut. Boy, I'm glad Trump won. Where were you when it mattered? I think about this all the time. Where were you when there were consequences, when there were cost, when somebody might not have set you on whatever Flipp charity board you're on? Where were you? You were a yellow bellied coward. You let situations like Grant Napier happen everywhere and you didn't do a Damn thing. So money is only useful in the context of what it allows you to do that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do do. There's a great line. This is why when everybody drafts new quarterbacks, what they care about so much is how much do you love what you do? Because as soon as you get that $50 million check, there's pretty girls everywhere, there's fancy cars, there's really great vacations. If you don't love what you're doing, money will make you more of what you already are. If you are a die hard, I'm getting up and I am grinding, I'm gonna bust my ass. You sell a company, you sign a 50 million dollar deal, you do the same thing you were doing before you got the money. But if you're the kind of person who looks around, worries all the time about what people are gonna say about you, you become even more of a coward the more money you get. And there are so many of those people out there, and I think about them, the Grant Napier story is a good one. Most of us are never going to have billions of dollars. We're not going to own radio stations, we're not going to own companies that when they come to you with an employee sending a tweet, it's your decision what to do. But a lot of people had that. And now that Trump's in office, they're waving the pom poms and they're running around and they're cheering. I don't care who wants to celebrate after a victory. I want to know who's going to be there when you get your ass kicked. Because that's character, that's courageous. And Grant Napier story. Oh, there's an awful lot of people who will send you a text or make a phone call and say, boy, I feel really bad for you. Yeah, that'll be, you know, would be great is if you would say that public. Well, I can't do that. Well, they might be mad at me then. So many people who knew better and so many people who had the resources to have nobody ever actually be able to do anything to them. They were nowhere to be found when it mattered most. And now guess what? You look up and some of those people are some of the biggest cheerleaders because Trump's back in office now. Just remember it. And remember how quickly those front runners will fade as soon as somebody else is in power and as soon as somebody else makes them a little bit uncomfortable and requires any element of courage to speak out against what they believe. Is wrong. Just think about it. We're gonna keep talking about this. We got a great guest, by the way, coming your way in the third hour. Talk about the cultural impact and I'm gonna dive in and even kind of talk about this a bit more. But in the meantime, people with testosterone, they tend to have a little bit more backbone. I bet a lot of the people out there that were cowards during COVID cowards during blm. I bet if you tested their testosterone, it was low. They were willing to to run and hide. They had Joe Biden energy, not Donald Trump energy. If you want to have real energy, real testosterone, you need to check out chalk. Check it out right now. C h o q.com My name Clay is the promo code to get a sizable discount on any subscription for life. They got a male vitality stack, they got a female vitality stack. You're gonna love it. All you have to do, go online to chalk.com that's C H O Q.com my name Clay. For a big time discount on any subscription for life. You can cancel your subscription anytime without any penalty. Get hooked up right now. Chalk.com c h o q.com My name Clay. Put some testosterone back in your life. Be the strong man or the strong woman that you need to be. Don't be like Joe Biden. Get hooked up today with chalk.com stories of freedom, stories of America, inspirational stories that unite us all each day. Spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Clay Travis]

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