Hour 2 - An "Order 66" Moment for Democrats

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - An "Order 66" Moment for Democrats
Date: April 13, 2026
Host(s): Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into current political events, highlighting President Trump's latest moves (from an unconventional DoorDash delivery to Iran policy), and focusing extensively on the sudden political downfall of Congressman Eric Swalwell. The hosts discuss the timing and implications of recent allegations against Swalwell, using the "Order 66/Code Red" analogy to describe how Democrats seemingly turned on one of their own. The conversation also branches out to the current California governor’s race, questions about party ethics, and broader themes about cancel culture and political gamesmanship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. President Trump's Oval Office DoorDash Stunt and Iran Policy

• Memorable Moment: President Trump conducted a press event after having a McDonald’s order delivered to the Oval Office via DoorDash, aimed at promoting his “no tax on tips” policy and providing a populist moment (00:02–03:00).
• Trump on Iran: Trump warns Iran: "Either Iran gives up what he called the nuclear dust or we will take it.” (00:52)
  • Trump, when pressed on actions post-ceasefire: “Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it won't be pleasant for them.” (04:02)
• Trump’s Controversial Meme: Trump responds to a viral Truth Social post depicting him in a Christlike image, claiming, “I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross” (02:16).
  • Hosts openly skeptical, noting Trump knows the implications but is using plausible deniability.

2. The Ongoing Pope vs. Trump Feud

• Trump did not apologize to the Pope after the meme incident; the hosts note the ongoing tension and Trump’s characteristic "smile" as he addresses controversies (03:25–03:44).

3. Cuba and Venezuela Policy

• Trump calls Cuba "a failing nation that was just been horribly run for many years by Castro," suggesting possible action there after dealing with current priorities (04:30).

4. The Eric Swalwell Scandal: 'Order 66' or 'Code Red'

Central Segment—Democratic Infighting and Political Sabotage

a. Details of the Allegations

• Accusations include sexual assault from a former aide and other claims of extramarital relationships, including sending explicit photos (07:00–08:16).
  • “Penis pics. Can we say that?” (Buck, 07:38) — frank and irreverent tone throughout.
• Recurring critique of Swalwell as a ‘believe all women’ politician during the Kavanaugh hearings (08:16–09:58).
  • "Blasey Ford was a liar. ... And the others were lunatics." (Clay, 09:58)

b. The 'Code Red' Analogy

• Hosts liken the release/timing of allegations to a deliberate political “Code Red” (or “Order 66”) by the Democratic Party to eliminate a liability as primary voting approaches (13:19–15:47).
  • "They ordered the code red on him and it's so interesting to see why." (Clay, 13:19)

c. Discussion of Double Standards

• Clay and Buck compare this treatment to how prior allegations against Republicans (e.g., Brett Kavanaugh, Trump) were handled, focusing on lack of due process and shifting standards.
• Insights into why the allegations surfaced now—not due to morality or ethics, but because his candidacy for governor became inconvenient to party interests.

d. The Jungle Primary & Democratic Calculus

• Analysis of California’s primary, the role of Katie Porter/Tom Steyer, and the timing of media leaks:
  • "The only reason it takes him out is because it was New York Times and Politico and it was home team." (Clay, 15:23)
  • "I think Katie Porter went to them ... and said, if this doesn't come out now, then the story will come out after he's the nominee." (Buck, 15:47)

e. Cynicism on Political Playbooks

• On Democrats: "They were covering this up for years because he was useful. The second he became a political liability... the Code Red." (Clay, 13:19)
• This act, say the hosts, vividly illustrates the primacy of power over principle in politics.

5. Gender Differences and ‘Believe All Women’ Critiqued

• The hosts dissect the #MeToo phenomenon, noting differences in how men and women view and approach sexual misconduct claims, using blunt language and humor (11:29–13:12).

6. Legal and Political Consequences—Does Evidence Matter?

• Clay and Buck debate whether Swalwell’s alleged conduct constitutes a crime or just “unfit” behavior for office (19:00–23:00).
  • “You should believe evidence. You should believe facts. That's why Lady Justice is blind.” (Clay, 19:31)
  • “I don't think he committed a crime based on the allegations that are out there right now...” (Buck, 19:34)
• They suggest Democrats are willing to sacrifice people to maintain control, but expose hypocrisy when comparing their treatment of Biden and Swalwell (24:18–25:10).

7. The California Governor’s Race Shake-Up

• With Swalwell out, Tom Steyer (billionaire, climate activist) emerges as the favored Democrat.
  • Buck critiques Steyer’s background: made his money from fossil fuels and private prisons, now touts climate alarmism—called "the poster child for lib. Bay Area guilty conscience." (Clay, 29:00)
• Discussion of why Swalwell remains in Congress but dropped out of the governor's race:
  • "If you're not able to run for governor, why are you able to actually continue to serve as a congressman? This is data point number 3,000,257 in the Democrats have no principles arena." (Clay, 31:18)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Trump on his Jesus-doctor meme:
  “I thought it was me as a doctor... making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better.” — Trump (02:16)
• On Swalwell's Photos:
  "Penis pics. Can we say that? ...to women that he was not married to, which is pretty reckless for anyone in Congress..." — Buck (07:38)
• On 'Believe All Women':
  “He was a believe all women guy when he was trying to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s life on absolutely baseless, absurd, fantastical fantasy level allegations.” — Clay (08:16) "Blasey Ford was a liar. ... And the others were lunatics." — Clay (09:58)
• On Political Expediency:
  “They ordered the code red on him and it's so interesting to see why.” — Clay (13:19)
• On Democratic Double Standards:
  “If you're not able to run for governor, why are you able to actually continue to serve as a congressman? This is data point number 3,000,257 in the Democrats have no principles arena.” — Clay (31:18)
• On Gender Asymmetry in Claims:
  "Has there ever been a man who said, I was sexually assaulted, I drank too much and I couldn't consent to sex. Has that argument ever been made by a man? I have never heard a straight man make that." — Buck (31:30)
• On Steyer's Climate Politics:
  "He is the poster child for lib. Bay Area guilty conscience became super rich off of the capitalistic economy that he now pretends is going to destroy the world because of CO2 emissions." — Clay (29:00)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:02–03:25 Trump’s DoorDash stunt, Iran stance, and viral meme controversy
• 05:06–17:00 Deep dive into Swalwell scandal: allegations, timing, and “code red”
• 19:00–26:38 Debate on legal/political ramifications for Swalwell, party hypocrisy
• 28:17–30:42 Analysis of Tom Steyer’s rise and critique of his climate change politics
• 30:42–33:55 Why Swalwell stays in Congress; ongoing discussion of party ethics

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Conclusion

This episode uses wit and irreverence to unpack the intersection of personal scandals and political strategy within the Democratic Party, focusing on the implosion of Eric Swalwell’s gubernatorial campaign. Clay and Buck’s "Order 66/Code Red" analogy frames how parties often prioritize power over ethics, with shifting standards depending on convenience. The show concludes with a tease of a guest appearance by Republican candidate Steve Hilton, promising further inside perspective on California’s high-stakes governor’s race.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Buck Sexton]

Guaranteed Human. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. As is often the case, a bit of a show surrounding President Trump, as he was just having a press conference outside the Oval Office. Immediately preceding it, in order to focus on his no tax on tips policy, he had a door dash three delivery to the Oval Office from a grandma named Sharon, and the president gave her $100 bill as a tip, which Sharon was very happy about, I'm sure. Buck. Actually, I don't know who has the job. This is very funny. Of contacting doordash and doing a search on the best doordash delivery for President Trump to get his McDonald's at the White House. Obviously going through security. I presume that they also would prefer that it be a Trump supporting door dasher in the D.C. area who is unlikely to throw a huge crazy fit when they're knocking on the door of the Oval office to deliver McDonald's to the president. But this happens, Buck. And then he steps outside, still standing next to the Grandma DoorDash McDonald's delivery person, and has a press conference about what should happen next with Iran. So all of this is happening in real time. And let's see, we've got a couple of different cuts there. We mentioned that Trump said, either Iran gives up what he called the nuclear dust or we will take it. Trump also addressed Buck. He got into going back and forth with the Pope. He also, from his Truth Social account, shared a image of himself that looked like Jesus. Trump addressed that and said, hey, I thought that the Jesus picture was depicting me as a doctor. This is Trump, 36.

[Clay Travis]

I'm sorry, come on, Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

Well, it wasn't depiction. It was me. I, I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross, as a Red Cross worker there, which we support. And only the fake news could come up with that one. So I, I had, I just heard about it and I said, how did they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better.

[Buck Sexton]

All right. I thought it looked like him as Jesus, but he has deleted the image. So Trump says he thought he was being depicted as a doctor, not. Not as Jesus.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, let's just, let's just all be. Let's all be upright. Trump knew that he wasn't a doctor, but this is the most Trump thing ever. He's like, all right, whatever. I thought it was a doctor. He knows. And we know, but he also knows that this now is kind of an off ramp people that felt like it was blasphemy and I know people would feel that way. They can, you know, he's, he's created a, a fig leaf, if you will, of, of plausible deniability on his I am Jesus thing. So there we can all move on.

[Buck Sexton]

But it's, he's doing this with a

[Clay Travis]

smile on his face. He knows what's going on.

[Buck Sexton]

He did not apologize to the Pope. So the Pope versus Trump feud is, is ongoing. But he did, we said earlier, either they give it up, meaning the nuclear dust, as he called it, or we take it, which the most significant news. But he was also asked what happens if we don't have a deal with Iran by the time the cease fire is over. Here is cut 38. President Trump responding to that deal is

[Clay Travis]

not reached by the end of the ceasefire. Does your threat from before still stand?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I don't want to comment on that, but it won't be pleasant for them.

[Buck Sexton]

It won't be pleasant. He said he didn't want to comment on it. He also buck commented on Q. Cuba, which Venezuela. If you wonder how things are going in Venezuela, it's going so well that nobody's even writing about Venezuela at all. Cuba remains unclear exactly what's going to happen there, but Trump addressed that cut 37. He was asked about Cuba.

[Donald Trump]

Cuba's another story. Cuba has been a terribly run country for a long time. It's got a bad system. It's been very oppressive, as you know. And we have a lot of great Cuban Americans, all of whom just about voted for me. And they were treated very badly in many cases. Family members have been killed, they've been beaten up and mugged and like terrible things happened in Cuba. And Cuba is a failing nation and we're going to do this. And we may stop by Cuba after we're finished with this. But Cuba is a nation that was just been horribly run for many years by Castro.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. Now we said that we would Buck talk about the Swalwell implications. And so at the top of this hour, let's dive into this a bit. Steve Hilton, top of the third hour. So Eric Swalwell, Congressman, many of you know him, he's been one of the most virulently anti Trump forces for the last decade. Basically his entire political career is based on being anti Trump, I would say before this.

[Clay Travis]

Most famous for his escapades with Fengfang, the alleged Chinese spy.

[Buck Sexton]

Correct. And, and obviously he was able to stay on the House Intelligence Committee, he was kind of a pit bull, fair to say, for Nancy Pelosi represents the Bay Area suburbs and things are not going well. So, look, we talk a lot about the midterms and where things are setting up, and it is going to be right now. It appears a challenging environment for Republicans, as is often the case when you are in the White House. Now in California, though, a lot of the time, the two leading candidates have been Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco, who is both. Both of those guys are Republicans. And Eric Swalwell had been the leading Democrat candidate. He had been endorsed by the teachers unions, by a lot of the other labor unions, and he was in a position where it seemed like he was going to advance to the runoff. And then, Buck, I want to get your read on this. It feels like basically the Democrat Party just ordered a code red on him. I, I don't, I don't buy that they had no idea about his behavior or that there were a lot of stories. In fact, he had been asked about them when he was seeking all these endorsements, and his response had always been as anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories would have come. This is paraphrasing him. As anti Trump as I am. Don't you think those stories would have already come out if they were there? Well, a bunch of these stories have come out. So among them, one of his former aides accused him of sexual assault. And then there are other allegations, as we have talked about, that basically he was engaging in extramarital affairs and sending pictures of himself. Naked photos of himself.

[Clay Travis]

Part of himself, not. He wasn't taking selfies of him, his

[Buck Sexton]

face, at least genital photos. I don't know. What can we say on this? Penis pics. Can we say that I said it to, to women that he was not married to, which is pretty reckless for anyone in Congress, much less when you are married and one of the leading contenders to be the governor of Californ. So, Buck, it feels like to me Democrats basically decided we're going to order the code red on him. I will say this. Unlike the way that he treated Brett Kavanaugh and unlike the way that he treated President Trump, I think he's entitled to a presumption of innocence here. And you can read these allegations skeptically.

[Clay Travis]

I just, I just want to say he was a believe all women guy when he was trying to destroy Brett Kavanaugh's life on absolutely baseless, absurd, fantastical fantasy level allegations against Kavanaugh. No intelligent, per no intelligent, honest person believed that Kavanaugh was a serial gang rapist all throughout high school. And this was just coming up, by the way. This, it was really, I've said this, it was a political 911 moment for me, the whole Kavanaugh thing. It was when we realized a lot of us that the era of Trump as a brass knuckle brawler against the other side was so very, very necessary.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Because they have no scruples. The Democrats have no willingness whatsoever to abide by fair play, decency, basic ethics. They all knew that. Kavanaugh, by the way, Kamala Harris was a big part of it too. Don't forget that everybody. Kamala Harris was a big part of it. But, but, but Swalwell was a believe all women guy, which is on its face an absurd and antithetical to our justice system.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Way of approaching cases. Of course. This is, this is, this was insane. And it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen in American politics. It was the ritualized humiliation and degradation of a manifestly in innocent man. With Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh not, not guilty. Innocent. It was clear he did none of these things. Okay. The woman couldn't remember the year, said she had two, couldn't fly. But actually didn't know where the house

[Buck Sexton]

was, didn't know what year it was.

[Clay Travis]

Blasey Ford was a liar.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

A liar. Ok. And the others were lunatics. Lunatics.

[Buck Sexton]

And, and I would just say this, Buck. I mean, even if that had all been true, this is the way I always kind of approach it. Are you telling me that trying to make out with a girl when you are. Because, I mean, it was a high school party, it's 40 years ago or whatever the heck it was in the 1980s in, in Washington D.C. it wasn't even a crime. Like, even if everything that she had alleged was, was 100% true. Which is one of the ways, like when you're a lawyer, you say for purposes of, you know, does it withstand summary judgment, presume that everything is true. Even if it had all been true, it wouldn't have been a crime. I don't even think it would have been disqualifying for being a Supreme Court justice. Even if you accept everything. But he was a believe all woman, which is ludicrous. I'm giving him what he would not, which is I read these allegations, Buck, and I think that I'm kind of skeptical of the crime of the criminal ones. Yeah.

[Donald Trump]

So.

[Clay Travis]

So there's two different things here. There's criminal stuff and there's unbecoming of and you know, unfit to be in office stuff.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Those are two separate categories. I mean they obviously cross over. If you're doing crimes, you're also unfit. But there are things that don't rise to. Now it can be if you're sending like, like because Anthony Weiner, which you can't make up, that that was really his name given what went on here. I mean, you know.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Just putting that aside, I'm not trying to be childish or you know, but it really was absurd. But that guy was sending wiener photos.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

To a underaged girl and knew. Knew she was underage. That is a crime. And he got, he got nailed on that as he should. But with this sending those unsolicited. Also I think Ann Coulter actually put this out on who we had on recently. Did a great job on the border stuff. But she said it's almost always unsolicited. Right. Like if you're a stranger, how many strangers are like, you know what I want from this Congressman right now? A photo of his man parts. This is, that's a thing. I don't think women really ever want these photos.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the big one of many major differences between men and women. Men would always like to see a naked photo. So I think in many men's minds this is like something that women desire as much as men desire. So. So having said all of this. Wait, they.

[Clay Travis]

Women, women never want these photos. And men generally are like hey, men

[Buck Sexton]

in their head are thinking oh, because men want to see naked photos of women. Either one of two things. As interested in naked photos as we are, which is almost never true, or he's thinking if I send her a naked photo, she's going to send me a naked photo back. If I were in his head, that's what I would expect. That, that he was thinking. Having said all of this, this was not well kept secret. Buck. Everybody on Capitol Hill was aware that this dude was chasing chicks and they didn't care until they started to see there might be a political cost to the party writ law based on his behavior.

[Clay Travis]

They were covering this up. They were covering it up for years because he was useful. The second he became a political liability, to use your phrase here or to use Tom Cruise slash Colonel Nathan R. Jessup, United States Marine Corps, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba's phrase, the Code Red. They ordered the code read on him and it's so interesting to see why. And we'll talk to Steve Hilton, who's his primary Republican opponent in that California governor's race in the top of the next hour. But, Clay, what this tells you is that if he was free and clear to be governor, if he was going to sail through and win this election without causing any problems, do you think they would have done this? No, because I believe if he can win, even if this came out after he was in office, they would say, first of all, it wouldn't come out this way. So they would, they wouldn't run that. They, this was a total destruction campaign to take out Swalwell from this governor's race, and they were effective in doing so.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

A reminder for everybody, this is not about what is honest or ethical or good. So funny. Do you see Stelter? He's like, this shows the power of journalism. I'm like, stelter, honestly, man, I'm going to send you TRT in the mail if it's something I could do. Like, we can't have this anymore.

[Buck Sexton]

Power of journalism. They know. They were. Here's what I think happened. I think that the other opponents on the Democrat side got wind of this. I think the Katie Porters of the world said, if this doesn't come out now, then the story will come out after he's the nominee and it might cost us the governorship. And the Democrat Party ordered the code Red. They said, hey, we're going to stop protecting him. Now it's time to take him out. That's the way I think this went down.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I, I, yeah, I think there were concerns. So it's interesting. I think there were concerns that he was splitting the vote and that at the end of this, it was going to make a Republican much more viable. You think because, Clay, there's no Republican infrastructure to run this story. We couldn't run this story.

[Buck Sexton]

No.

[Clay Travis]

The only reason it, you know, the only reason it takes him out is because it was New York Times and Politico and it was home team.

[Buck Sexton]

San Francisco Chronicle initially broke it on.

[Clay Travis]

So who's going to come out with this, though? Who's going to come out if he's up against a Republican and a general, if it's one to one and they're the two from the jungle primary. San Francisco Chronicle doesn't do that. No way. You think? No way they run this to give it to a Republican.

[Buck Sexton]

I think Katie Porter went to them, we'll talk about this. And said, this is interesting.

[Clay Travis]

It was definitely a code Red. The question is, what was the thinking of the people running it?

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We are talking about the Swalwell situation. Clay, what about this idea? What if it just. Am I going to be a coincidence theorist here? What if just the women. Because he was leading the governor's race, they decided enough is enough. And then because the timing of this does not. Why not keep him off the ballot entirely when they knew that he was. You know what I'm saying? For the Democrats, it feels weird that this is a mess.

[Buck Sexton]

Eight of them running. I don't think that they expected to be in a situation where none of them really had become the lead candidate. And then he got all the indictments. I mean, sorry, all the endorsements. We'll talk about it when we come back.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in clay Travis Buck Sexton show I will say it. I think Eric Swalwell is a conniving, lying, untrustworthy scumbag based on the evidence. Buck again, being fair to him in a way that he was not fair to Brett Kavanaugh, not fair to President Trump, any number of Republicans who he said believe all women the exact opposite of what you should do. You should never believe all men are all women. Men and women lie.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you should believe evidence. You should believe facts.

[Buck Sexton]

That's why lady justice is blind. I don't think he committed a crime here. I don't think he committed a crime based on the allegations that are out there right now from the San Francisco Chronicle and from cnn. But, and by the way, the reason I don't think he committed a crime was this woman alleges that he sexually assaulted her in 2019 and then she slept with him again in 2024 and she says he sexually assaulted her again and basically that she could not consent. I'm paraphrasing here, her allegations because she had too much alcohol. I, if I were sitting on a jury and you told me she alleges that he raped her five years ago and then she went out drinking with him again and says that he raped her again, I would just say if I'm on a jury or I'm the defense attorney, how many women out there, if you had been raped by a guy, would you voluntarily decide to go out drinking with him again? That just to me does not have the ring of truth. And it's also why I don't think it's unfair to look at the allegations and say, hey, if a court of law wants to examine them. But does that strike you as a rational take to believe that he committed a crime. It doesn't to me.

[Clay Travis]

First of all, you would have been a great defense attorney. I really would have. Like, you know, I know you've chosen this path and we're having a lot of fun here on radio, and it's worked out fantastically, but you would have been a great defense attorney because you truly believe in the system. I'm very cynical about the system. In many ways, I truly believe in the system. You're like a guy. You're. You are.

[Buck Sexton]

Exactly.

[Clay Travis]

If you are accused, especially if you're accused and you're innocent, you want someone like Clay who is. Who is innocent until proven guilty, have our day in court. Lady justice is blind, the whole thing. Right. So that's.

[Buck Sexton]

I really do believe in all of that, even if it sometimes means that I have to defend dirt bags like Eric Swalwell. I just don't think this adds up now.

[Clay Travis]

So can I just finish one thing before we get on the criminal part of this, though? The criminal part of it doesn't really matter that much in terms of.

[Buck Sexton]

See, but I think it does, because I think if he had just been accused of sleeping with women that were not his wife, he wouldn't have dropped out of this race. And I think Democrats would have been hard pressed to get him to drop out.

[Clay Travis]

No, but see, this is. This is. This is Clay, where I see it a little differently here. But when I say the criminal part doesn't matter, please understand I'm saying that whether he is beyond a reasonable doubt guilty or not, or their charges are not on, that I think he's done politically, which is why he's already stepped away.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. But you think even if there hadn't been the criminal allegations that they were sufficient enough that Democrats would have thrown him to the wolves?

[Clay Travis]

There is among Democrats, particularly, a real, shall we say, sensitivity to men on Capitol Hill using their power to sleep with employees. That alone, you know, if you're in Congress and you are, by the way, I believe it's against. Now, it's not a crime, but I believe it's against, like, congressional rules. It's certainly also against general employment rules. You're not actually allowed to be clear. There's also a problem. Well, there's a whole allegations. At least with the former DHS chief for Trump, you are not allowed to sleep with a government employee who is in your chain of command. You are not allowed to do that. That is a big. A, big employment law. No, no. For obvious reasons, this guy had a pattern and practice of using his role in Congress to at a minute. But by the way, he's basically said that he's saying this was consensual, right. He's not saying he didn't sleep with women, he's saying it's consensual. So that alone as a member of Congress with this wasn't just I was having affairs, this was I was a man in Congress sleeping with my very young of age. But young female staffers, that's a big problem. Like that's a prison nightmare. It's also a congressional nightmare. Now we get to if he can't run for governor, why should he still keep his job in Congress? And I think Democrats are going to have a, they're going to have a challenge with this one.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Well, one thing I would push back on is exactly what you described is what Joe Biden allegedly did with Tara Reid and they just pushed it all to the side and pretended it didn't exist. Joe Biden, the allegation was that he sexually assaulted a woman who worked for him, Tara Reid, back in the day.

[Clay Travis]

All right, all right, counsel, I'm going to the prosecution does not rest yet the Joe Biden situation. And to be clear, I found her entirely credible, not just because I don't like Joe Biden, but just because of she worked for him. The circumstances. Joe Biden's a creepy handsy weirdo. So I did find her credible. Credible is different from beyond a reasonable doubt though in a court also to be fair. But Clay, that was a one off to be fair to Biden versus Swallow. It was a one off situation, not a pattern in practice. It was a long time ago, which I know that you start to get into this, but there is a time difference with 30 years ago versus 2020 or whatever. I mean people are more likely. So I think that those two factors made it easier for them to do what they wanted to do, which was to just ignore the Biden thing. I'm not saying it was ethically or morally different. I'm just saying that do the Swalwell thing. I mean this guy, he's already out. He's toast.

[Buck Sexton]

He was, he was the nominee. So Biden was a nominee at the time. Which goes to your argument of once you're the nominee, they'll defend anything. Here's the other thing I would say though. I think that either Tom Steyer or Katie Porter had this and they knew they had to deploy it now because otherwise Swalwell was going to be one of the two nominees. Now to Your point? They may not have cared once he was the nominee. It's possible they would have just said, oh, you know, you can't trust this because they want him to get into the office. But I think it's not coincidental that they deployed it right now. Voting starts June 3rd. So they waited until six weeks out. He announced in November. He ran for six months. He had just gotten, and this is so significant. We'll talk with Steve Hilton about this at the top of the next hour. Who's running against Eric's wall? Well, as the Republican, he had just gotten all the big union endorsements, teachers union endorsed him, couple of the other big unions. He was an overwhelming favorite to be the Democrat nominee. Now, it's a jungle primary, so called, meaning the top two go. But I think they knew they had to put the code red in because otherwise he was going to be the nominee. So I think Katie Porter, if I had, if you asked me, I think Katie Porter put this in the works. She is also thoroughly unlikable. She got divorced after allegedly dumping potatoes, boiling potatoes, on her husband's head.

[Clay Travis]

The boiling water that the potatoes are cooked in, I mean, that's, the potatoes would be hot. The boiling water would be quite unpleasant.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. They are now divorced.

[Clay Travis]

No surprise.

[Buck Sexton]

Married. Who married Katie Porter? I might have a little bit of

[Clay Travis]

questioning there if, you know, I'm going to say this. If you marry a chick who looks like Shrek, I feel like you're expecting she's at least going to be nice.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a good point. You would, you wouldn't think if, yes, be honest. And she's not. She's awful. And remember, her campaign kind of went off the rails. We played this on the audio when she was getting interviewed and she just went after the interviewer over, hey, do you want, remember, do you want Trump supporters to vote for you? And she just lost it for no reason. So she's thoroughly unlikable, which is why now the favorite is this guy, Tom Steyer, who is basically the, has the charisma of a snail, but he's a billionaire and he's willing to spend a lot of money and he is now the favored Democrat candidate. It appears to benefit now from Swalwell being out. By the way, if Swalwell didn't drop out, I think he still would have gotten a lot of votes. Now he wouldn't have had the money to be able to run, which is really why I think he dropped out because all of his supporters abandoned him and he's not independently wealthy. But I think it's been shown that voters have a higher standard for whether they should or not is an interesting question, but a higher standard for misbehavior from candidates than the media that covers the candidates or many of the political party operatives in general.

[Clay Travis]

You know what I found really interesting? I was just checking this out. I know that Tom Stuy. So let's talk Tom Steyer for a second. First of all, he's one of these climate change nut bags.

[Buck Sexton]

Yep.

[Clay Travis]

Which is like climate change has fallen off as an issue because you have to, for some reason ignore everything that you can observe about this, like what's really happening, what the, what the, what the data actually says. It's just a garbage issue. They'll bring it back because people forget about how it was wrong all along. But in the meantime, Tom Steyer is one of these, you know, climate change is an existential threat people. He founded Farallon Capital back in the 80s and was a very successful hedge fund guy. Now, a little bit of this is kind of just being right place, right time. You're in the valley. Starting in the 80s, the greatest explosion of wealth creation in Silicon Valley, really, in the history of the planet in many ways occurred in that area. And you're an investor. Guess what you're going to. Ok, ok, fine. You know, you could say that a lot of people, right place, right time. Clay, he did investments back in the day. This is just, this is. I love Grok. His investments included fossil fuels, coal projects, private prisons, which, let me be clear, I have no problem with this. Like, these are, these are, these are, you know, companies. They're, they're operating the private sector, invested in them. Good for him. But he made all of his money investing in real stuff, fossil fuels, coal plants, and then turned, or not all of it, but made a lot of his money in this and then turns around and is like, well, the whole world's going to end unless we all start riding bicycles and cut our CO2 emissions. It's like a weird lib guilt thing. That's really what this guy is. He is the, the poster child for lib. Bay Area guilty conscience became super rich off of the capitalistic economy that he now pretends is going to destroy the world because of CO2 emissions.

[Buck Sexton]

And now he's going to spend billions of dollars to try to get elected as the next governor of California. Let me ask you this. We can talk about it when we come back. We got some interesting calls. We'll get to you guys as well. He's, you Asked the question, he's not running for governor now. He's dropped out. Why is he still in Congress? Like, I don't understand why, if you're not able to continue to run, which is why I would have told him, hey, just say it's not true and stay in the race once you drop out. Now, I think the answer is Democrats give him a pass once he drops out.

[Clay Travis]

They're like, they need that. They want as many seats in the House as possible. But see, this goes to. This was a code red.

[Buck Sexton]

Yep.

[Clay Travis]

Right. Because they're. They're not giving him because they don't need him for the governor's race. They don't want him in the governor's race, but they need him in Congress. You need him on that wall. Democrats, they need him in.

[Buck Sexton]

I guarantee you, they told him, if you drop out of this race, then we won't come after you in Congress. The votes are there to allow you to stay in Congress. My point would just be, if you're not able to run for governor, why are you able to actually continue to serve as a congressman? This is data point.

[Clay Travis]

Data point number 3,000,257 in the Democrats have no principles arena. Yes, it's just power, folks. Whatever is power. That's what they want. Nothing else matters.

[Buck Sexton]

And here is another part of principle that I'll stand behind, Democrat or Republican. I don't think you should get kicked out of Congress for allegations. I really don't, particularly. Because all it does is incentivize baseless accusations because then they can be politically powerful to use against you. And again, if I'm looking at this evidence, I don't buy the fact that he committed a crime. I just, I don't believe that you sleep with somebody in 2019, allege that you're sexually assaulted by them, and then go out for drinks and hook up with them again. Would you ever, if you're a woman listening to us right now, if somebody sexually assaulted you, would you ever go out to drink with them again? Like, that just doesn't add up. And it's like, you're not allowed to ask these questions because, oh, we have to hashtag believe all women. But I would say the same thing about men, by the way. Has there ever been a man who said, I was sexually assaulted, I drank too much and I couldn't consent to sex. Has that argument ever been made by a man? Have you ever seen it? A straight man? I have a straight man. Have you ever heard any of you in your lives, have you ever heard a straight man say I had too much to drink and I couldn't consent to sex as a result. I've never heard a straight man make that. Maybe a gay person has, I don't

[Clay Travis]

know, biology because of testosterone, et cetera, we have about 10x the sex drive that women do. And so this results in very different decisions.

[Buck Sexton]

I get it. I totally get it. But I've never even heard that argument made. Oh, I drank too much. I, I couldn't consent to the sexual act. Most of the time.

[Clay Travis]

I've had to run interference for you. When some of the grandmas get a little too handsy with you, you know, they squeeze a little bit of the side. You know, they, you know, it's good thing, good thing Laura's not around. She'll karate chop him.

[Buck Sexton]

Most of the time when one person is drunk, the other person is drunk too. I'm just going to say, you know, this is like leaving aside the obviously like intentionally drugging people, things like that, which is not alleged here, but if that happened in 2019, would you ever go out drinking with that guy again? Like, that's the part of it where I just look at and say, this just doesn't pass the credulity test to me. But we'll take some of your calls and Steve Hilton is going to join us top of the next hour. Doesn't mean he's not a dirtbag. Doesn't mean that I don't. I'm not.

[Clay Travis]

I really want to hear his version of why the code read because clearly, like I want him to tell us why he thinks this happened, when it

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Man show flying by today. So much going on. We had that live stuff from President Trump. Iran. We are in a game of chicken with the Iranian regime now over the Strait of Hormuz. Trump feels very confident in his side, his position and I am not seeing a lot of grumbling from the party faithful of Magaville, if you will, that they don't think Trump's gonna see this through. We'll follow up on that. But also coming up here. So why are Democrats so freaked out about the Swalwell governor's race, California, all of this because there's a Republican who's sitting atop the charts of their jungle primary. That's right, our friend Steve Hilton, the one and only. He's gonna be joining us here momentarily. Clay, I mean, honestly, is there anybody else in the political scene right now that we would rather talk to? I don't think so, unless Swallow would want to come on. But he'd probably bring his lawyers. So let's talk to Steve Hilton. Clay, I really want to hear his take on. Yes, we understand that they sat on this. The why now to me is really an interesting piece of it.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. I'm curious what he would say. We will tell you. We did invite Eric Swalwell on the program, Graham, to answer any questions. He has not said yes. Doesn't surprise me. But Steve Hilton will be back with us. Next we'll talk about all of this news. When did he become aware of it, why does he think it happened and what's going to occur in the campaign next? All that coming up.