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Mike Gallagher
I'm doing great. But you're doing even better, Buck. Congratulations.
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Andy McCarthy
Thank you, thank you. I'm very excited and you know what, Andy? I love my little son so much, even if his favorite sport is baseball. We're going to get along just great.
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Mike Gallagher
Well, it doesn't get easier when they get to be 22, I can tell you.
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Andy McCarthy
22.
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Mike Gallagher
Wow.
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Andy McCarthy
Yeah. So, no, we're very excited. Thank you so much for that. All right, now I got to have a little bit of a hard turn here, Andy. The Letitia James stuff, Attorney General, you've seen, I know that there hasn't been a charge brought so far, but she's spoken out about it. Clearly. There's, there's smoke, if you will, around the issue. What, what is your top line on this one? I mean, do you think this is going to go, going to go badly for her? Do we just not know yet? What do you think?
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Mike Gallagher
Well, I think it's going to go badly for her. But what I like most about this story, Buck, is that when I was a young lady, my father's favorite expression was that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw wild parties. And I think, I think poor Tish James may end up in that category. It looks to me like, you know, none of the stuff that they're looking at her for is the crime of the century, but, you know, she managed to turn something Trump did that wasn't a crime into a half a billion dollar fiasco. So if I were she, I would strap in because I think they're pretty serious about this.
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Clay Travis
So this is, this is, I think, interesting for you to analyze because as you well know as a prosecutor, sometimes you can be convinced that somebody's committed a crime, but it's really very difficult to explain that in a coherent, easy to comprehend way for a jury. Right. Jury's just a gathering of normal people. And sometimes criminal prosecutions require very convoluted explanations. This one is so incredibly simple for a chief legal officer of the state of New York to be applying for a mortgage, which the vast majority of Americans will at some point in their lives, apply for a mortgage themselves, and to click that she is a resident of the state of Virginia, effectively, when she's saying that that's her primary residence. And then again, these are the allegations to also say that she is married to her dad, presumably they have the same last name and they're trying to just get through the process without being noticed there. Because a married couple, dual income, typically lower mortgage rate, primary residents, typically lower mortgage rate than an investment income home. Many people understand that very much. What is her defense here? Presuming that those accusations are Accurate. How in the world can she stay as aggressive, and how can there not be charges brought? Because, again, this is a very easy crime to prove.
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Mike Gallagher
Yeah, Clay. I think that I always want to hear what they say the first time that it comes up publicly. And what she's saying basically is it's politically motivated.
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Mike Gallagher
When you're. When you're starting to say stuff like that, that means you don't have a defense on the fact, and you're trying to get people to not look at those fact.
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Andy McCarthy
Yep.
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Mike Gallagher
And she knows that because she's made that claim herself with any number of people that she's targeted. Often, I think she has, in fact, targeted people for political reasons. But when people have a good defense on the facts, they usually try to stick to the facts. I think the Justice Department hasn't charged yet simply because they have to have some decent period of time go by between the referral and when they bring the charges to make it look like it's not all orchestrated. And I do think if I'm Pam Bondi, I do want somebody who's experienced at DOJ or whatever, the U.S. attorney's office is going to be in to kick the tires on it a little bit, because it does, as you just described it. It looks like too much of a layup to be true, but I expect them to charge pretty quickly.
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Andy McCarthy
Well, this is what I. That was. The next thing I want to ask you, Andy, is that, you know, you were somebody prosecuting cases a whole range, everything from, like, the blind shake and really serious stuff, but down to more, you know, fraud and financial crimes, things like that at the Southern District. And let me just ask you. I remember you told me once, you're like, look, if you were guilty, you didn't want me to be your prosecutor. If she did this thing, like, it's easy to prove, right? I mean, this is a slam dunk. If she. If the facts are what we believe them to be. And you were the prosecutor on this case, are you sitting down with her saying you want to take a plea deal? Because trust me, this isn't going to go your way.
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Mike Gallagher
I think I would be waiting for her to come to me because, you know, in the normal situation like that Buck, you're. You're looking for, you're looking at a criminal organization, and there's ways to go up the chain here. She's the top of the chain, right? I mean, I'd be stunned if she had anyone else to hand up that would be helpful. So I think that you know, for Trump wants to nail her, I think, no matter what she might be the repository of, in the way of information. And as you just pointed out, like I had a lot of complicated cases, but the bread and butter of a prosecutor's office and even the US Attorney's office in New York, where these kinds of pretty simple, single or, you know, very few transaction crimes that are pretty linear to prove. And the good thing about bringing one against a public official, from the prosecutor standpoint, is members of the public who get caught up in like, you know, niggling regulation and stuff like that, juries could be sympathetic to them because they're kind of in the same boat themselves, some of them in their law. But when it's a public official, and particularly one who in a very persnickety, pickier way has gone after other people and in fact has not only gone after them on pretty tendentious interpretations of statutes, but actually I think has stretched like the statute she brought against Trump was a consumer protection statute. It had never been brought in the context of that case. She's not going to get any sympathy from a normal jury.
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Clay Travis
Okay, so you, you broadcast about timeframe. I'm curious what timeframe you would think on this. I'm also curious. Virginia and New York, would this be something where you bring multiple federal charges in your mind, given that the one claim is based in Virginia property, the other claim based in New York, would you link them? What about state prosecution that is different than a federal prosecution? Because I'm sure there's state statutes that could be followed here. Kind of timeframe and bigger picture, how do you think federal state interplay might happen here? I mention it because there may be some state protection because you've got a Democrat governor and Democrat based apparatus in New York, whereas you've got a Republican governor and a Republican attorney general in the state of Virginia. How does that all play in, in your mind? What would the scope and magnitude look like as you analyze charges being brought and when they might be brought?
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Mike Gallagher
Yeah, I say two things about it from the federal side play. I don't know if they see this the way I do, but having been in a lot of these cases that ended up in turf battles, no matter whose feelings gets bruised, it's always better for one prosecutor's office to take the case, split up cases and split up investigators are never efficient. So whatever Bondi decides, if I were giving her advice, I'd say pick one U.S. attorney's office and let him run the whole thing, including if there's any prosecutions out of the District. And then as far as the state stuff is concerned, I would tell you that New York is a dream for federal prosecutors because New York State, unusually in the country, follows something that's known as equitable double jeopardy rather than normal double jeopardy. So in most situations you have dual sovereignty, which means the feds and the states are different sovereigns. So a federal prosecution doesn't prevent you from being prosecuted on pretty much the same crimes by the state. But in New York, if the feds bring an indictment, the state is barred from bringing any charges that arise out of the transaction that the feds have charged, because the New York state constitution in that regard is very defendant friendly. So to the extent they can set up shop in New York, they can really call the tune. They probably have a little bit more competition from the state prosecutors in Virginia, perhaps, but, you know, mayor is in Virginia is an excellent company.
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Clay Travis
Yeah. Would you, if you were advising the doj and they may be listening right now, would you say New York or Virginia? And because I look at the jury pool, potentially you would get, but you've prosecuted federally in New York, which do you think would be more likely to, if you do think there's any difference, convict a Democrat official? And which of the forums would you. Let's pretend that you were the attorney general. And ultimately they present this and you say, okay, there's evidence. You said you'd like to roll them together. Where do you think the preferred forum would be?
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Mike Gallagher
I would, I would set up shop federally in New York in a case like the one you've described, which is pretty blatant. I wouldn't be overly worried about whether in the Southern District of New York you could get a prosecution of a politic, you know, a conviction of a politician on those kind of facts. Notwithstanding that it's, you know, it's a blue state, New York in general, but like the Southern District doesn't just pull from Manhattan, it pulls from the Bronx, which Trump did pretty good in actually in the election, and then from places outside the Bronx, you know, counties up and down the Hudson River. So the juries there are not as bad for the feds as you would think for Republican administration. And then just because I know him and I know how good he is, I probably just let Jason Myaries run with the state stuff and just coordinate with him on timing. And I think that would make it very unpleasant for her.
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Andy McCarthy
Andy, you know, we, we, we looked this up before because I had that recollection of very prominent pro state Prosecutor in Maryland. Maryland, Maryland, Mary Lynn Mosby. And you know, she got hit on a mortgage fraud too, and was convicted and was also convicted of some other, you know, fraudulent financial activity. But she got 12 months home confinement. I bring this up because what do you think? I mean, I know it's been a while and the guidelines maybe have changed or whatever, but in your day, somebody like this who should have known better, who's a lawyer, they do a, let's say it's, it's a couple of, you know, a couple of perjury counts from the mortgage. For the mortgage fraud, what kind of a sentence are they usually looking at?
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Mike Gallagher
Probably in excess of five years. You know, the dollar amount would make a big difference. So I think a lot would depend on, you know, for example, I saw that she had one property that was leveraged to like almost $600,000. You know, if that turns out to be real, like a real $600,000, then that's really bad. On the other hand, I read someplace else that two of the mortgages might be fictitious and that she might have just been pretending to get a better situation with the other one that she was borrowing from. I'm not sure exactly how that works, but, you know, the dollar amount to the extent it's real is very significant in driving the sentencing guidelines in a fraud case. The other thing you have to bear in mind, of course, is that while we don't want to see her get cut any breaks and she is a public official, so there's a betrayal of trust here that wouldn't be in a normal case, you also don't want to see her get treated worse than the average person is. So she's a 66 year old woman who I think does not have any criminal record. And obviously it's sentencing time. That should be something that cuts in her benefit. But the big thing for her is she's a public figure and this would just demolish her in terms of her legacy. And, you know, in a lot of ways that's, you know, perhaps more important than whatever punitive, you know, sentencing measure.
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Clay Travis
She do, you know, and building on that, we're talking to Andy McCarthy. If you are the chief law enforcement official as of the state of New York, as she would be right now as Attorney General, and you are charged with felony mortgage activities as we have been discussing, she may be. Do you immediately get removed from office? Does the governor do it? Do you happen to know off the top of your head what the process would then become in New York?
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Mike Gallagher
Yeah, there's a lot Clay with New York that's theoretical because it's never been tried before. So like for example, remember with, with Bragg we heard a lot of stuff about the only official in the state that has the authority to remove a district attorney is the governor. And I believe that would probably be true under New York constitutional law with respect to the attorney general. But it's hard to say that with any confidence because it's never been done before. So we'd have to see. And that's the kind of thing that if Hochul tried to do it, it could get tied up in court for a long time. And the other thing is Hochul's worried about her own election prospects. She needs black progressives in New York like nobody's business. I mean she barely won the last time around and I think she would have lost had. Was it Lee Zeldin? I think. Right.
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Clay Travis
That's right.
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Mike Gallagher
People who should, the people who would have otherwise elected Zeldin were had moved to Florida during COVID So you know, that's how she escaped that time. But her polls are not great in New York. She's not popular in New York. This, this measure she put in for congestion pricing on the, on the traffic stuff is very unpopular. I have a hard time thinking she, she fire James if she could because there would be revolt among progressives in New York.
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Clay Travis
Andy, enjoy the games. This is going to be a heck of a story going forward. I wanted to get you on because I knew you had particular expertise. I think our audience going to be better informed almost anybody in the country on this. Thank you for the time, my man.
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Mike Gallagher
Thanks guys.
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Andy McCarthy
Thank you.
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Andy McCarthy
Clay, you and I, I mean you actually are a lawyer and license to practice. But like I could be your, you know, your paralegal open and shut. This would not be hard if the facts are what we believe them to be. There's not, not a hard thing to do. So she's going to have to, they're going to have to play the game out with a hoping they can get a jury and a holdout in the jury or some kind of a political nullification.
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Clay Travis
That's right. That's totally right. And by the way, we're going to be joined by Mike Gallagher. We mentioned a minute ago, Mike Gallagher, former congressman from Wisconsin I believe, I think Green Bay area where they're having the NFL draft next week. He wrote a great piece in the Wall Street Journal about the need for a Covid reckoning and I thought his piece was fabulous. And then this morning I woke up and I saw on social media go to Covid.gov and Donald Trump's team has just opened a mega can on Fauci and others. You need to check it out.
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Andy McCarthy
Let's just jump into it. You got into this in your piece. What does accountability look like? What does the public need to know? What steps have to be taken now when it comes to the lab leak cover up? I see. I love that there's a picture of Foushee touching a little fake virus in your op ed. He's the absolute worst. What needs to happen?
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Buck Sexton
Well, I can't claim credit for the artwork that comes with these op eds. I just did the words. But it was. It was quite nice to me. It just starts with the basic step of complete declassification of relevant intelligence. If you remember, we actually passed a law when I was in Congress requiring that the Biden administration do just that, but they didn't comply with the law. When they finally did an investigation into the origins of COVID it was not serious. What came out was heavily redacted. It was a regurgitation of the prevailing consensus. And so there's been no accountability for our own scientific establishment, which was profoundly corrupted. Our own intelligence community was parroting the corrupted consensus of the scientists. And even the authors of the Proximal Origins article, which spread a lot of this misinformation, have not been held accountable. The opposite has happened. They continue to get awards, Foushee continues to be lauded, and we have centers named after Fauci. And without that basic step of accountability, people just aren't going to trust the government. They're not going to trust the health institutions, the scientific institutions, and therefore, we're less prepared to prevent a future pandemic. So I think accountability starts with getting the information out there, even if it's super embarrassing to the government agencies that allow taxpayer dollars to be funneled through corrupt nonprofits like the Ecohealth alliance and wind their way into the hands of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. There's been no accountability thus far.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Well, I would only say I don't think we have 20, let alone 40 years. Right. We had a report few months ago that in February, researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had experimented with a new bat coronavirus that looked a lot similar to COVID 19. What you learn as you sort of dig into the nature of what happened in Wuhan, but lab accidents more broadly, is that these are actually more common than we realize. And so part of the push for accountability is based on the idea that the risks of a pandemic like the one we went through with COVID 19 or with one that could be far worse if a future virus were just as pathogenic or more lethal, rather, those risks have not gone down. We haven't learned any lessons. And so we need accountability on a year timeline, not a 20 year time. And which is why I was very glad to see that President Trump launch his website. I would encourage all Americans to go to the website right now and really lays out five basic common sense truths that the government heretofore has not acknowledged. One, the virus possessed biological characteristics that you couldn't find in nature. Two, all the data suggests it stemmed from a single introduction into humans, not multiple spillovers like previous pandemics. Three, that the Wuhan Institute had conducted gain of function research at inadequate safety levels. Four, that the researchers at the Wuhan Institute Institute fell ill with COVID months before the virus was allegedly discovered at a. At a wet market. And finally, after all these years, there's no scientific evidence of a natural origin that has surfaced. That alone has done more to advance the case of accountability than under four years of President Joe Biden. So we need to press the gas, we need to hold our own agencies accountable, and again, we need to declassify all the relevant information.
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Andy McCarthy
Mike, I wanted to pivot a little bit here and lean into another area of expertise, something you're dealing with day in and day out. Now, as head of defense at Palantir Technologies, I think one of the lessons that anybody paying attention to what's going on over in Ukraine, with Russia, and especially if they're looking ahead at the possibility at some point in the future of some kind of hot conflict with China, is technology is going to be absolutely critical. We're looking at drones, we're looking at a future of telecommunications and high Speed computing, making decisions on the battlefield. That is truly the stuff of sci fi from not long ago and it's becoming reality now every day. With that said, I know Palantir is involved in the high tech edge of things with, with defense. It wasn't long ago where Google was upset. There were, there was like an uprising at Google over the prospect of doing anything that helped the United States Pentagon. Right. Like as if Silicon Valley was its own little fiefdom that did not actually become or was not actually a part of the United States. Do you feel like that is changing now? Do you feel like there's an understanding that companies that are US Based, that employ Americans have a role in defense and that means that they should take a patriotic position on. Yeah, we will work with the United States Pentagon.
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Buck Sexton
I think it is changing. I mean, Google has actually recently changed its position. And if you remember at the time, the reason so many of us got upset when Google abandoned Project Maven is they were simultaneously trying working with China. Exactly. An AI center in Beijing. It was subsequently revealed there was a project that they did abandon, but a project they were exploring to censor Internet search in China. So the message was, well, we're cool working with a genocidal communist regime, but not with the American military, because the American military occasionally has to do things like kill Salafi jihadists in order to keep America safe. And so into the breach stepped Palantir, which was unapologetic in its belief that America is the greatest country in the history of the world, that we should have the most lethal military in the world, and that some folks, be they terrorists or other bad guys, need to be killed occasionally. And I do think what we're seeing on the battlefield in Ukraine is forcing people to reexamine their previously held assumptions. There's a lot of capital in the venture capital community that is trying to flow into defense technology companies. And finally, I would say not to talk my own book, but when you have a company like Palantir that spent two decades trying to survive the so called Valley of Death, because it isn't easy for a defense technology company to succeed because the Pentagon can be a difficult customer, it proves to other companies that are trying to do the same that it's possible to survive, it's possible to go public, it's possible to have a mission focused company, and that also is successful financially. Which is why we founded something called the First Breakfast Initiative, which is designed to make it easier for non traditional defense technology companies to survive and thrive. Because we need more right we can't just have five primes that control everything. We need the primes to survive. They're always going to be there. But we need a more diverse ecosystem of defense technology companies if we are going to have a hope of deterring China from invading Taiwan as well as simultaneously going after terrorists in the Middle east and the other threat actors we have to deal with.
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Clay Travis
What you just said, I think is important. It also to me connects with your editorial in the Wall Street Journal, which is about the importance of truth and the commitment to fact. When you see so much of what's going on in America today and around the world, whether it's celebrating the UnitedHealthcare CEO's killer, whether it is down in Frisco, Texas, Carmelo Anthony stabs a 17 year old in the heart and raises $400,000. As you just mentioned, so many of these elite institutions out there had people marching in favor of the perpetrators of October 7th. Why are we having such a difference? This is a big philosophical question, but why do you think we're having such a challenge, especially going into the holy week of good and evil, recognizing them and being willing to stand on the side of good?
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Buck Sexton
Well, I do think, you know, to really take it, make it biblical and maybe betray my Catholic perspective. I do think as religion has retreated in terms of its role in American life, people have sought out other gods and in some ways politics or, you know, political tribe can become a cult and fill kind of a God shaped hole in people's hearts. And I think correspondingly, there's also this epistemological crisis that we have in America where people no longer trust any source of information.
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Mike Gallagher
Right?
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Buck Sexton
Like we have this very balkanized media landscape where nobody really knows where to go to get truth. And the risk of that is people can kind of opt in to whatever reality they just want to live in. And it's very hard to have a coherent conversation based on facts, based on logic as a result. That being said, you know, as a product of representing Northeast Wisconsin, where we're going to host the NFL draft here.
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Clay Travis
Shortly, by the way, everybody, I will be watching. I will be watching.
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Andy McCarthy
Trust me, I'm very excited.
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Buck Sexton
It's a huge, huge thing for Green Bay, Wisconsin. Huge thing. You know, I think most people are just common sense, right? There was this revolution of common sense that President Trump talked about. I mean, people were afraid initially to speak their minds, you know, particularly in Covid, but people started to see what was happening to our kids with schools being shut down was happening to our loved ones. Who were being locked up and they thought, this doesn't make any sense. So I do have this abiding faith in the common sense of the American people. Right now they're demanding change and reform in the basic institutions of government. I think Trump is an instrument for that, that change. It can be very disruptive at times. That's what the American people want. And so we have to get back to that. And at the end of the day, like, we have to realize, of course, America's not perfect, but we're the good guys, right? We are the greatest country in human history. That comes with a great responsibility. But the rest of the world is looking to us for leadership, to lead with courage. If you remember when China took over Hong Kong and hundreds of thousands of people came out into the streets to protest, what were they waving? They were waving American flags. Right. They were looking to us as an example for a free society. And that's something we all have a duty to maintain.
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Clay Travis
Well said. Have a good Holy Week and weekend and we'll talk to you again hopefully soon. Encourage people to go check out that editorial in the Wall Street Journal.
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Buck Sexton
Thanks, guys.
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Clay Travis
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Mike Gallagher
Oh, hi. Hi. Yeah, Bill and Bend and the Texas murder that took place and the, you know, kind of sudden purchase of a home and new vehicle, you know, and Clay, this is kind of up your alley because it has to do with the law, but in Texas, there's a bankruptcy exemption for the entire value of a home and the entire value of an auto, so that when the parents of the murdered victim go to have a wrongful death civil suit and probably will be awarded a big judgment in that. The. The murder.
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Clay Travis
Great point.
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Mike Gallagher
The murder will have a nice home and a nice car that can't touched. So I think. My thought is that they had some, you know, legal advice right up front to start using some of that money in the charitable account to start making those purchases that cannot ever be attached by a creditor. And I'm just wondering why those funds aren't trying to be attached right now.
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Clay Travis
That's a very great point.
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Andy McCarthy
Great astute point. Thank you so much. I would. You know, Clay, in Florida, there's a. There's a Homestead. Homestead Act. Right. And so they can't. If it is your primary residence, in a civil judgment I believe unless there's some specific criminal activity involving the home, they cannot take your home.
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Buck Sexton
Correct.
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Clay Travis
So if you have a $10 million.
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Andy McCarthy
Home in, in Florida and you lose a judgment and you declare bankruptcy, they cannot take your home.
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Clay Travis
I remember that becoming an issue with the Enron collapse. Some of those guys had tens of millions of dollars in homes and they are protected. And by the way, we just had Ken Paxton, who is the Attorney General of Texas. I think there should be laws, this would be my take that if you are raising funds for legal defense, that none of that money can be used for anything other than legal defense because otherwise you're allowing people to take money benefit from profit off. And his, his call, it's a fabulous call because if you go buy a million dollar home, there will be at some point a wrongful death lawsuit. That million dollar home would be protected from being able to be seized such that that home could theoretically be purchased and then not able to be in any way ever taken. And it's, it's being basically profiting off of an awful act. So I think in the state of Texas, Ken Paxton, who was just on with us earlier this week, the Attorney General, I would even suggest if you're raising funds marketed directly for legal defense, that it would be in some way a misallocation and misappropriation of funds if that money is used for anything other than legal defense.
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Andy McCarthy
Let's get Steve in Pennsylvania. Steve, we got about 40 seconds, wanted to get you in. Go ahead.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, just hopefully a good Easter message for everyone. It's My mom was in the hospital, she was dying and we were all around her and she was non responsive. And then the priest came in to give her last rite. And when he took her hand and said hello Betty, she woke up for the first time in a week and said hello Father and he prayed to Hail Mary with her. And then she died.
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Clay Travis
I appreciate that story. I think it's resonating with many people. Last hour, next.
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