Hour 2 - Another Major Security Failure

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Hour 2 - Another Major Security Failure
Release Date: April 14, 2025

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Introduction

In the second hour of this episode, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into alarming security lapses that have endangered prominent political figures. The discussion centers on recent assassination attempts on President Donald Trump and Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, spotlighting systemic failures and the broader societal implications of these events.

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Security Failures and Political Violence

Clay Travis opens the conversation by recounting two significant incidents:

1. Attempted Assassination of President Trump at West Palm Beach Golf Course:

   • Clay (02:34): "We just played the Stephen Miller and Marco Rubio response to CNN questions... the guy at the golf course got away, just like this guy who tried to burn down the governor's mansion."

2. Attempted Attack on Governor Josh Shapiro in Butler, Pennsylvania:

   • Clay (04:00): "The governor of Pennsylvania while his family was home in the house, nearly having his house burned down with his entire family inside of it."

These events underscore a worrying trend of political figures being targeted, raising questions about the effectiveness of current security protocols.

Governor Josh Shapiro's Statement: At [10:10], Governor Shapiro condemns the rising violence:

"This type of violence is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far too common... It is not okay. And it has to stop."

Clay's Analysis: Clay emphasizes the severity of these security breaches:

"How in the world are we allowing people in politics to be put in this much peril, regardless of what their political party is? This should be a major, unbelievable embarrassment for the state of Pennsylvania..."
(10:10 - 12:30)

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Media’s Role in Shaping Perceptions of Killers

A critical point of discussion revolves around how media outlets portray individuals who attempt or commit violent acts.

Insight from Tale of the Rims: At [12:30], Tale of the Rims comments on CNN's portrayal:

"Like here's this man who, who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man which is hard to find."

Clay's Concerns: Clay connects these portrayals to a societal inability to distinguish good from evil:

"This is what happens when you lose the ability to distinguish between good and evil. This is something big picture that troubles me tremendously in the country right now."
(13:13 - 22:07)

He argues that such narratives can inadvertently glamorize criminals, making it harder for the public to recognize and condemn evil actions appropriately.

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Societal Implications: Losing the Moral Compass

The hosts express deep concern over the societal shift where the lines between good and evil are increasingly blurred.

Clay’s Perspective:

"We have lost as a society the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And we've lost the ability to contextualize. That's how this ties in..."
(22:07 - 35:55)

He cites the impacts of events like the October 7th attacks on Israel and violent incidents in New York City as symptomatic of this moral confusion. Clay warns that this erosion of moral clarity can lead to more frequent and severe acts of political violence.

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Authenticity vs. Media Caricatures: A Case for Understanding Leaders

A significant portion of the discussion focuses on President Trump's personal demeanor versus his media portrayal.

Bill Maher's Interaction with Trump: At [27:22], Bill Maher shares his experience meeting Trump:

"He laughed. I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including in himself. He gets it."

Clay’s Reflections: Clay contrasts Maher's positive personal interactions with the negative media narratives:

"When you meet someone face to face, they behave like adults. Most of the time, I have found, when you meet someone face to face, you are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone like Donald Trump."
(31:28 - 36:39)

He argues that Trump's authentic and personable nature is often lost in media portrayals, which tend to exaggerate negative aspects, leading to a skewed public perception.

Impact on Trump's Political Success: Clay attributes Trump's continued political support to his genuine personality:

"If you are able to distinguish between good and evil... Authentic authenticity ends. Cancel culture. When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better or worse, you can't be canceled in public anymore because people are over it."
(36:39 - 43:28)

He suggests that Trump's likability and authenticity resonate with voters, contrasting sharply with the caricatures often presented by the media.

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Conclusion: The Urgent Need for Moral Clarity

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton conclude the hour by reiterating the dangers posed by a society that struggles to differentiate between good and evil. They call for a collective effort to restore moral clarity to prevent further security breaches and political violence.

Final Remarks by Clay:

"An inability to distinguish good and evil is a big picture issue that is massively dangerous to this country."
(42:59 - 46:38)

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Key Takeaways

• Alarming Security Lapses: Recent assassination attempts on political figures highlight significant weaknesses in current security measures.

• Media Responsibility: The way media portrays violent individuals can influence public perception, sometimes inadvertently glamorizing criminals.

• Moral Decline: A societal inability to distinguish good from evil poses a severe threat, potentially leading to increased political violence.

• Authenticity Matters: Authentic personal interactions, as seen with President Trump, can counteract negative media portrayals and maintain political support.

• Call to Action: There is an urgent need to restore moral clarity and strengthen security protocols to safeguard public officials and uphold societal values.

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Notable Quotes

• Governor Josh Shapiro [10:10]:

  "This type of violence is not okay... It has to stop."

• Tale of the Rims [12:30]:

  "He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man which is hard to find."

• Bill Maher on Trump [27:22]:

  "He laughs. I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including in himself. He gets it."

• Clay Travis on Authenticity [36:39]:

  "If you are able to distinguish between good and evil... Authentic authenticity ends. Cancel culture...you can't be canceled in public anymore because people are over it."

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This episode serves as a critical examination of the intersection between media narratives, public perception, and the escalating threats against political figures. Travis and Sexton advocate for a renewed focus on moral clarity and robust security to navigate these pressing issues.

Transcript

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Oh, welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton SHOW Good news right off the top if you missed it in the first hour. Right now, Buck's scheduled to be back with me tomorrow. They have had their baby boy. Mom and baby are doing well. James Sexton is a cutie pie, I can say objectively. And the pictures are up, am I correct? Team in New York, the pictures are [e-mail] they're also up on Buck's social media accounts and they have been shared by the Clay and Buck social media accounts. So if you are active on social media, encourage you to go check those out. You can also, if you are not active on social media, go to clayandbuck.com and you will be able to see them there as well. We have been following a lot of different news stories underway right now. President of El Salvador visiting right now the White House, I believe the Ohio State University football team also is visiting the White House to celebrate their their national championship. So that is underway as well. And I would imagine we'll have some fun there. One serious conversation. We just played the Stephen Miller and Marco Rubio response to CNN questions. We will continue to run on anything having to be said in those Oval Office meetings and the rapid process by which the courts are trying to discover what they are going to require when it comes to immigration policy from the president. Last week we were Fox Business and CNBC all rolled into one. Stock market closed strong and is up so far on Monday, a small amount. And for those of you out there, I will continue to say this, who have decided to get obsessed by the stock market. We are roughly at the exact same price that stocks were in September of 2024. So I've been saying this for some time. If you did not feel incredibly poor in September of 2024, wasn't that long ago. If you did not feel incredibly poor In September of 2024, why would you feel incredibly poor in April? Stock prices are the exact same. And in the past year, stock prices are up right at 6% presently, 6.25% in the past year. Why do I bring that up? The average return of the stock market in a year is 8 or 9%. So basically, in the past year, stocks have done almost what stocks historically do on average. So that is the latest there. Now I want to hammer this Because I do think this is a big story. And we are actually very confident and consistent in the way that we talk about everything surrounding these violent acts. Last week I came on with you and I told you, I guess it was two weeks ago I came on and I told you, hey, I was at the President's golf course in West Palm beach. And it is a level of negligence that I found to be incomprehensible that he was nearly killed on the sixth hole of that golf course. They let a would be assassin sit for all day, and they only caught him at basically the last possible moment before he would have been able to kill the President. This came on the heels of the Butler, Pennsylvania attempt to kill the president, which came within a quarter inch of. Of succeeding. And now we have the governor of Pennsylvania while his family was home in the house, nearly having his house burned down with his entire family inside of it. And a lot of people are gonna focus on the motivations of the crazy guy. And the motivations don't particularly appear to be logical, as is often the case for crazy people. And leaving aside what the motivations are, if you try to burn down someone's home, it seems to me quite clear that you are not a fan of the person living inside the home, much as if you try to blow someone's head off, I don't need to hear, oh, we're not sure about what his political allegiances might be. I think it's pretty clear that you're not a fan of the person that you're trying to kill. So how in the world are we allowing people in politics to be put in this much peril, regardless of what their political party is? This should be a major, unbelievable embarrassment for the state of Pennsylvania that your governor and his family could have nearly been burned to death and that someone could make it inside of the physical residence and not have been captured while doing so. I, I am. I was stunned when I saw this story because I couldn't believe that we would have a situation where someone would be able to even do this. How are we failing to protect people in positions of prominence all over this country, regardless of what political party they're in? This is frankly unacceptable. And if you remember Buck and I talking about this on the program in the wake of Butler and then in the wake of the attempted assassination at the golf course as well. Remember, the guy at the golf course got away, just like this guy who tried to burn down the governor's mansion, but the guy at the West Palm beach golf course got into a Car drove away, and they found him an hour later only because a woman in the parking lot wrote down his license plate as he was fleeing. So we were close to a situation in West Palm beach, even one month after what happened on July 13, where the president could have been assassinated and his assassin could have gotten away. And that just happened in Pennsylvania. How much of the President being safe was just a lot of people thinking the Secret Service was far more competent than they were? And how in the world can this situation in Pennsylvania have been allowed to happen? I just. I saw this story, and I flat out could not believe that we could have ever reached a situation where a governor's house could be burned down, basically, and the guy could get away. And here is the Governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, reacting and saying what I think is actually 100% true. Who cares where it's coming from? There's a profound moral sickness that's going on that this is happening at all, regardless of Democrat, Republican or independent. Cut 21.

[Josh Shapiro]

This type of violence is not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far too common, common in our society. And I don't give a damn if it's coming from one particular side or the other, directed at one particular party or another or one particular person or another. It is not okay. And it has to stop. We have to be better than this.

[Clay Travis]

I am in. I think he is 100% right. And this should not be allowed to happen. And the fact that it did, if I'm a Pennsylvanian, heck, I'm not a Pennsylvanian. And I want to know, how in the world was your governor put in this kind of peril? And you ask, okay, how does this happen? One reason why on this program we try to avoid sharing the name of mass shooters is because the data reflects that people who do this are trying to become famous and that the worst thing you can do. We unfortunately have not learned the lesson of Columbine still yet is make these people famous because they're demented. And many of them are trying to compete to kill as many people as possible in an idea of bathing in the infamy of the media coverage that will follow. And this has happened with the killer in New York City of the United Healthcare CEO. And this is a former Washington Post reporter on CNN saying, this guy seems morally good, the killer, which is hard to find. I saw these two stories and I saw them directly connected in my mind. You try to burn down the Pennsylvania governor's mansion, he asks, how in the world is this happening? Well, one idea. How about we've lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil in this country. Whether it's Israel getting attacked on October 7th and a lot of Americans, particularly young people, saying, oh, Israel's actually the bad guy. Or on the streets of New York City in Manhattan, a cold blooded killer is now a hero to some, including cnn, which aired this interview as part of their misinformation investigation. Listen to cut 19.

[Tale of the Rims]

To see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone stanning a murderer when this, this is the United States of America. As if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts and we give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles, the sort of mainstream media pushes, and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. So you're gonna see women especially, that feel like, oh, my God, right? Like, here's this man who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man, which is hard.

[Clay Travis]

To find, a morally good man, which is hard to find on cnn. He killed an innocent dad and husband in cold blood on a street in New York City. Team, can you grab that little cut at the end and save that because I want to play it again. This is what happens when you lose the ability to distinguish between good and evil. This is something big picture that troubles me tremendously in the country right now. When you lose the ability to distinguish between good and evil, you're a country that it is incredible danger. And I'm not talking about good or evil as, hey, what should the top tax rate be in America? Should it be 39.6% or 26.8%? That's not a good or evil argument. Tariff rates is not a good or evil argument. The guy who committed cold blood on the street is morally a good person. No, I'm sorry. I think that's a real flaw. But that's how you get to Butler, Pennsylvania and West Palm beach, assassination attempts of Trump. And that's how you get to firebombing the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. We have lost as a society the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And we've lost the ability to contextualize. That's how this ties in, I think, as well, the play, the George Clooney play that I saw demonizing Elon Musk suddenly because you don't like his politics. Oh, he's a hero of the left when he creates electric vehicles. Oh, he wants to help Trump get elected. Suddenly he's a Nazi. That's not accurate either. But if you brand somebody as a Nazi, you create a situation where people think they're going to be heroes if they kill them. It's an inability to distinguish between good and evil. And it's putting many people out there, good people, honest people all over the country in a perilous situation that they shouldn't be in. And it comes from, I believe, and inability. I see it directly connected to October 7th. Young people in this country I think for many reasons have lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. And CNN airing that. Cnn. A good man's hard to find and he seems morally pretty good. No, I, I actually think there's a lot of guys who wouldn't stand outside on the street corner and kill an innocent person, shoot him in the back. I think that there's probably a lot of guys out there that are single that pretty good guys that would manage not to commit murder on a street corner. We'll let you react to it in the meantime. Look, everybody out there. You need more energy. I know I need more energy. Six to 10am Saturday, Sunday. Seven straight days of work a lot. Four hours television show, Fox and Friends over the weekend comes Monday. You know what? I need a little bit more energy. I got to run my kids cleats out to the lacrosse game. I got to chase around a couple of kids all over the place on Sunday. Everybody out there trying to keep up. Have as much energy as you possibly can. Chalk can help you all. Natural testosterone is the engine that drives the male body and you can get hooked up. 20% increase in three months time. That's your body's natural source of energy. With the male vitality stack from Chalk. They also have a female vitality stack. You can go online to chalk.com that's c h o q.com use my name Clay for a massive discount on any subscription for life and you can cancel your subscription at any time. No penalties. No worries about that at all. Choq.com is the website. Get hooked up. My name Clay. Massive discount for life. Check out Chalk. Put some more energy back into your [e-mail] stories of freedom, stories of America. Inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we're talking about the alienization of killers, the inability to tell the difference between good and evil and why I believe it's helping to motivate what is clearly an increase in assassination attempts of public officials. Clearly Trump, but also Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro and I just want to play that cut from cnn. They aired this talking about a guy who killed an innocent dad in cold blood on the streets of Manhattan. Here is how Tale of the Rims, formerly of the Washington Post, helping to create the era in which we now live, described him.

[Tale of the Rims]

You're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God, right? Like here's this man who, who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man which is hard to find.

[Clay Travis]

Morally good man which is hard to find. That is the world in which we are in and also not holding bad guys accountable. As I am talking to you coming across my Twitter feed, we talked a little bit about the awful situation north of Dallas, Texas where the high school kid was stabbed in the heart over a seating dispute. The judge in that case just reduced the bond to $250,000 from $1 million. The killer in that case, alleged killer, is now going to be let out on house arrest and be able to only have to wear an ankle monitor. I'm sorry, $250,000 bond for stabbing an innocent high school kid in the heart. You don't even have to stay in jail. You're going to get let out again. An inability to distinguish good and evil is a big picture issue that is massively dangerous to this country. We'll talk about that a little bit when we come back. And I also want to play you on the positive side, something that reflects being willing to talk to someone who you might disagree with. I give credit to Bill Maher on HBO who talked about his meeting with Donald Trump on his Friday show. Buck has been on Bill Maher show recently. People got mad, remember at what he said. We will play that for you. But in the meantime, I want to tell you playoff season, a lot of you love the masters. I bet you could have gotten hooked up with prize picks. Congratulations to Rory McElroy. But now you've got major League baseball underway. You have got the NBA playoffs and the NHL playoffs underway. If you like baseball, if you like basketball, if you like hockey, you like golf, there's something for you even outside of football season and that's something for you is $50 when you sign up at prizepix.com use my name Clay and get $50 instantly when you play $5. That's prizepix.com my name Clay. You can play it in Texas if you're feeling left out. California. How about Georgia as well. 40 plus states. $50 when you go to pricepix.com put in my name C L A Y. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Monday edition of the program. Wanted to give credit to Bill Maher for being willing to go actually meet with President Trump in person. He had a dinner with Kid Rock at the in the White House after I believe they went into the Oval Office as well. And I want to play some of the cuts. This is from Bill Maher's HBO show and I think what Bill Maher is saying here is what many of you have found in your experiences either listening to Trump on this program or other programs over the last decade, I believe the number is that I have been involved in interviewing Trump either by myself or with Buck now 11 times. And so I feel like I know Trump fairly well at this point. We've talked to him for hours on this program during the course of the last four years. And what Bill Maher is saying is what I have found to be true of Trump in private. He's an incredibly likable, charismatic guy who frankly feels kind of like a grandpa when I have been around him. And let's listen to a couple of these cuts. He also has, and I think this is important, a pretty good sense of humor. He's actually very, very funny. And most of his critics don't get it. Here's Bill Maher saying he showed up with a list of insults that Trump had called him and Trump autographed it for him, which is incredible. Listen to cut 15.

[Bill Maher]

Before I left for the Capitol, I had my staff collect and print out this list of almost 60 different insulting epithets that the President has said about me. Things like stupid, dummy, low life, dummy, sleazebag, sick, sad, stone cold crazy. Really a dumb guy, fired like a dog. His show is dead. 60. I brought this to the White House because I wanted him to sign it, which he did. Which he did with good humor.

[Clay Travis]

All right. I mean, this is how it should be. I talked about the Taylor Lorenz. Oh, he's a morally good man. That's not how it should be. How it should be is people can disagree sometimes they might even say mean things. But when they meet face to face, they behave like adults. And most of the time, I have found, when you meet someone face to face, you are more likely to like them, particularly when it's someone like Donald Trump. That is actually very likable. We've said on this program for a long time, look, you can disagree with his policies. I, I, I am 100% of the opinion that you can look at Trump's policies and you can say, I hate the tariff ideas. You can say, hey, I think we should have free and wide open borders. You can say, police are too empowered or he's taking too much executive authority. I don't agree with those arguments, but I think you can make those arguments and be a rational, normal human being. What you can't say is, he's Hitler. He is not in any way remotely similar to Adolf Hitler. Disagree with his policies. Attacking him personally is absurd. And what I have said for some time is, and I bet What Bill Maher now recognizes Trump is an energy person. Whatever energy you give to him, he gives back to you 10x. So if you are favorable and kind, he's going to be 10 times as favorable and 10 times as kind to you. If you are unfavorable, uncharitable, cruel, mean, he's going to give that back to you 10x. Whatever you give, Trump gives back 10x. That's the lesson that everybody should have learned by now. And actually, face to face, he tends to be really good. I've said this before I met Trump for the first time in person in October of 2020. I took my wife and my, at the time, oldest son who was, I believe, in seventh grade. Trump was unbelievable with him, Unbelievable. With my seventh grader in the Oval Office, the time he spent with him, he was just a fabulous, grandfatherly like figure. My wife, like a lot of women, was not a huge fan of Donald Trump before she met him after meeting him in the Oval Office. And she's met him a couple of times since. She loves him. He is really incredible face to face, one on one, not only with the people there, but with kids, really, really good with kids. He's met my, all of my sons, by the way. They were more interested in meeting Mr. Beast than the President. No offense to the President, but he's met all of my kids. He's fabulous with all of them, just like a good grandpa would be. And I bet if you had the good fortune to get to meet the President and you got to meet him with your kids or with your grandkids, he would be phenomenal with him. And this is what Bill Maher is saying. Bill Maher, like, kind of built this mountain of Trump is an awful person based on public Persona. And then he had to go out and tell his audience on Friday, actually, we had a phenomenal dinner and Trump was incredible. Here is Bill Maher on meeting Trump cut 16. He laughs.

[Bill Maher]

Just for starters, he laughs. I've never seen him laugh in public, but he does, including in himself. And it's not fake. Believe me, as a comedian of 40 years, I know a fake laugh when I hear it. Okay, example in the Oval Office, he was showing me the portraits of presidents and he pointed to Reagan and said, in all seriousness, you know the best thing about him? His hair. I said, well, there was also that whole bringing down communism thing, waiting for the button next to the Diet Coke button to get pushed and I go through the trap door. But no, he laughed. He got it.

[Clay Travis]

He has a really good sense of humor. He's also insanely self aware. Some of you may have seen me on Fox and Friends over the weekend. I'll take feedback, by the way. 800-282-28A2. I'll tell you what my mom said in a moment. But I said this because we were playing some of the cuts. From the moment Jimmy Fallon allowed himself to get bullied for humanizing Trump, every comedian by and large was terrified of the general public and they refused to treat Trump like a normal human being. It's actually incredibly unfortunate because if you go back and watch Trump on Saturday Night Live, he has a great sense of humor. I think Trump would have been really good on Jimmy Kimmel. I think he would have been really good with Fallon. I think he would have been really good with Stephen Colbert and on Saturday Night Live because unlike a lot of politicians, he actually has a good sense of humor about himself. And I have made this argument for a long time. On the dictator front, dictators don't have good senses of humor because humor requires a knowledge and nuance of how you are seen in the world that is at large. And that's why dictators require complete obsequiousness. They require that you basically bend the knee to them all the time, that you genuflect at their photo that's hanging on the wall at their portrait because they have to be seen as larger than you, more important than you. And comedy cuts everybody down to size. This is why having kids, important in many ways. I think kids tell you exactly what they think. Kids and old people, super old people, they're like, I don't give a heck anymore. Super young kids, they don't have the filters built in to say what they think. I remember, I mean, there's tons of things that kids will say, but I remember my three year old got me, got me good. About seven years ago, the youngest. At that time we were playing, he said, dad, I said, yeah, said, you have old hands. I never thought about my hands in my entire life. Holding them up now for you on video. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, they're wrinkly. They're like old man hands. And I was like, I never even thought about what my hands look like before. I didn't think I was George Costanza hand model. But my 3 year old is like, you know, like, hey, dad, you know, you're not a super young guy anymore. You got old guy hands and it's that puncturing, right? And I'll play you a cut in a Little bit of Trump on Air Force One after he was at the UFC 314 with Kai Trump, his granddaughter. The grandkids make fun of him. That's healthy. Yeah, he's the President of the United States, but he's also grandpa and grandma and he and Melania. And so they have normal human interactions. I don't imagine that Kim Jong Un has very many normal interactions. I frankly don't imagine that Vladimir Putin has very many normal human interactions. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what Bill Maher was getting at here also. He says Trump was gracious and measured and his audience is hearing what is the truth. But much like when I was talking about earlier with George Clooney and the play, they aren't able to see the larger perspective because many of them have bought into the idea that he's Hitler. Listen to cut 14.

[Bill Maher]

He said, you know, I've heard from a lot of people who really, who really like that we're having this dinner. Not all, but a lot. And I said same. A lot of people told me they loved it, but not all. And we agreed. The people who don't even want us to talk, we don't like. You don't talk. As opposed to what? Writing the same editorial for the millionth time and making 25 hour speeches into the wind? Okay, that's my report. You can hate me for it, but I'm not a liar. Trump was gracious and measured, and why he isn't that in other settings, I don't know and I can't answer and it's not my place to answer. I'm just telling you what I saw and I wasn't high.

[Clay Travis]

That's great. And that audience, again, I encourage as many of these outreaches as Trump can do. I think if you meet him face to face, the caricature that you have built in your mind on the left is not represented by the man that you will meet. I guarantee you that. And we have a tendency in this world, and I try to be conscious of it in the way that I talk to, to build 20 foot tall caricatures of people that are just a few inches deep. In other words, when you walk up to it, it's like you can punch through it and it's paper mache. It looks like this huge statue. Oh, my goodness, look at this. This is 20ft tall. You can't miss it. And then when you're actually confronted with it, you realize there's no depth to it. You can punch right through it and you see the real person on the other side. Now, some people are fake. Many politicians, I would say, are fake because they're desperate to make you like them. They feel like if they pretend to be something, that you will like them. Trump is not that. It's why he wasn't a professional politician. He is just himself, for better or worse. And I think the reason why he had so much More support by 2024 is a lot of people saw what Bill Maher did, which is that 20 foot caricature that the legacy media were telling you that he's Adolf Hitler, that he's got the Hitler mustache that he's going to. It's not real. It wasn't in any way accurate. And meanwhile, the 20 foot caricature that they tried to create of Joe Biden, which was incredibly beneficial, when you got up close to it, you saw that that was all fake, too. And I've said in my new book that I'm writing, I think this gets to the essence of it. Authentic authenticity ends. Cancel culture. When you are the authentic version of yourself, for better or worse, you can't be canceled in public anymore because people are over it. Now, if you lie, if you are fake, if you are not honest with your audience, then you can be canceled. And I'll give you an example that just is historic. Why did Bill Clinton keep his job after he had an affair with an intern in the Oval Office? Bill Clinton slept with an internal. Now you can say, oh, okay, well, that was 1996, 1997. It's a different era. And I think that's true. But the reason why I think he kept his job was because deep down, a lot of people kind of thought that that was something that Bill Clinton might do. You didn't really think, oh, this is a guy who's completely committed to his wife. You didn't think Bill and Hillary Clinton, this is the greatest couple of our lives. You kind of thought Bill Clinton not really that much into. Hillary Clinton is probably going to sleep with somebody else while he's president. I think if George W. Bush had done it, might have cost him his job. I think if Barack Obama had done it, might have cost him his job. But Bill Clinton, it actually reflected in some way what we anticipated and believed about him. I think Clinton was authentically himself. I think Al Gore, who tried to replace him, wasn't. I think George W. Bush was. Trump is what you would think he is. If you are honest and have been seeing all of the coverage surrounding him. I think what Bill Maher experienced, it's what I'VE experienced. It's what Buck experienced. It's what most of you would experience if you had the opportunity to meet Trump. And if you took your kids or grandkids to meet Trump, too, I'm telling you, you would really like him and he would be fabulous with you. That, I believe, is one reason that he's been so successful as a politician. He's actually just kind of a likable guy. And if you remember, before he got into politics, that was his reputation. A little bit of a braggart, a little bit in love with himself. Yeah, you can say that about Trump. I was just playing one of the West Palm beach and he had framed that he was one of the richest people in the world in the, in the locker room, all the different paintings and pictures hanging on the wall. I think a lot of rich people probably wouldn't frame the magazine cover that called them one of the richest people in the world and hang it up in their locker room. But that's Trump. And I think the reason why he's having so much more success in the second term is more and more people are like Bill Maher, finding out what the truth is. Look. Tax filing deadline for the irs. Good for him for meeting. Good for Trump for meeting. Thank you to Kid Rock Dana White for setting it up. I think we need way more of this. Tax filing deadline for the IRS a day away. If you're behind. I know. I've been on the phone with my accountant. If you're behind with the irs, fear what tomorrow or the day after will be like? Get the help you need right now at Rush Tax Resolution. 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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We'll take some of your calls. Third hour of the program. You know things are getting desperate when ESPN Stephen A. Smith thinks he can rescue you. The Democrat Party. What's going on there? What's the significance? We will talk about that when we come back and I'll play you some cuts from the reaction Trump got at UFC 314 down in Miami, which was incredible. And talk about why I think that's so significant. All of that and more, we will break down for you. By the way, the all female space crew has returned. Katy Perry, Lauren Sanchez and they were safe. They had ridiculous things to say. We'll play that too.

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