Hour 2 - Are You Afraid of AI?

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – Are You Afraid of AI?
Date: May 21, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Guests: Ryan Girdusky ("It’s a Numbers Game" podcast)

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Episode Overview

Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into several of the day's hottest political and social issues in their hallmark mix of insight and humor. This hour features a deep-dive conversation with political analyst Ryan Girdusky, focusing on the Democratic Party’s 2024 electoral “autopsy,” generational shifts in the GOP (especially concerning foreign policy and attitudes towards Israel), and a provocative discussion on public anxieties and realities surrounding AI technology. The episode also covers topics like redistricting, class envy, and the future social impacts of massive advances in tech.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. DNC 2024 Autopsy: What Did Democrats Miss?

[03:10–06:58]

• Ryan Girdusky critiques the DNC’s 2024 post-election “autopsy”: He notes it fails to mention Biden's age or take responsibility for significant, long-term losses since 2009.
• Democrats, once dominant post-Obama’s election, have seen a remarkable swing toward Republicans at virtually every level:
  • +13 Senate seats, +41 Congressional, +5 Governors, +832 new GOP state legislators, +13 GOP trifecta states (controlling governor, house, senate).
• Girdusky attributes much of the Democratic collapse at the state and local level to Obama-era realignment, particularly across the South:
  • “Obama just devastated that. That’s really an indictment of more of Obama than it is even Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and really… how toxic Obama’s presidency was to Democrats in whole regions of the country.” — Ryan Girdusky [05:41]

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2. Generational Divides in GOP: Iran, Israel, and Foreign Policy

[06:58–13:26]

• Republican base strongly supports Trump, but younger voters diverge, especially on Iran and Israel:
  • Support for military conflict with Iran is far lower among GOP voters under age 45.
  • “Republicans under 45 say it is not worth the cost of going to war with Iran. They’re also the ones trying to pay for their mortgage and their kids’ tuition and all the gas prices...” — Ryan Girdusky [08:35]
• Deep generational split on Israel:
  • “70% of Republicans under the age of 45 want the Republican presidential candidate to take a different approach to Israel than Trump.” — Ryan Girdusky [09:19]
  • Older GOP voters remain strongly pro-Israel; these views may not impact GOP policy for another decade due to primary voter demographics.
• Personal anecdote — Clay’s son and friends are deeply influenced by online anti-Israel sentiment:
  • “They are seeing videos that are telling them all day long… Israel is making all the decisions in the United States. AIPAC runs our entire political organization.” — Clay Travis [10:08]
  • Rapid online radicalization and lack of living memory about the Holocaust or Israel’s history change the conversation.

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3. Redistricting and the GOP’s Prospects

[13:26–14:49]

• Girdusky remains bullish about Republicans holding the House, thanks in large part to favorable redistricting, but stresses that high gas prices and stagnating economy could give Democrats a 65% chance of a House majority.
  • “If they lose the House, they lose by 10 seats at most... The ceiling for Democrats is lower than it’s ever been.” — Ryan Girdusky [14:01]

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4. The AI Anxiety: Violence, Misperception, and Economic Disruption

[14:49–19:14]

• Intense backlash against AI and its architects:
  • Girdusky highlights real-life threats against high-profile AI executives, including assassination attempts.
  • “In the last couple months, we’ve had two assassination attempts against Sam Altman… As long as you go outside, you are absolutely under risk if you are high-profile enough.” — Ryan Girdusky [15:52]
  • Deep public mistrust as bad PR, billionaire “Bond villain” figures, and catastrophic messaging from within the AI industry itself worsen the climate.
  • Anxiety is particularly acute among younger generations, fearing job loss to AI.
  • “AI companies screaming ‘You want China to win’ is not the appropriate answer if you want to have an adult conversation.” — Ryan Girdusky [18:39]
  • Potential for regulatory overreach driven by fear rather than expertise if a major crisis occurs.

Notable Moment:

• Ryan’s grim prediction:
  • “What I predict… over the next three years, a serious assassination against a tech executive is not impossible.” [15:32]

Notable (Lighthearted) Moment:

• On viral AI robot videos:
  • “Did you see the robot that was trying to Michael Jackson dance? That did not go well.” — Clay Travis [17:50]

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5. Embracing AI: Chicken Little or the Dawn of Progress?

[23:16–40:13]

• Clay and Buck express optimism about AI, contrasting with widespread public fear.

  • Reference to the dot-com bubble: “The difference between the Internet era bubble that popped and today so far, is these companies are wildly profitable…” — Clay Travis [27:12]
  • “Nvidia now is approaching $6 trillion in market cap. They are growing at a rate that is exponential in nature.” — Clay Travis [27:30]

• Jeff Bezos’s CNBC interview is cited as sensible, pro-capitalist advocacy and needed perspective for technology’s promise.

• They argue AI provides tangible, immediate value and will unlock dramatic productivity gains for people in all walks of life.

  • “I’m actually supremely optimistic about what AI is going to unlock for everyday Americans out there.” — Clay Travis [28:20]
  • "I think AI is going to be immensely useful in a whole range of ways. And really the future of the modern American economy is essentially at this point a bet on AI." — Buck Sexton [29:51]
  • “If you’re not at least playing around and trying to sample an AI... I think you will be stunned by how well it works.” — Clay Travis [39:27]

• Potential downsides: Exploding wealth disparities and class resentment

  • “If suddenly there are a ton of trillionaires, I think that’s going to be a challenge society wide. Because in a social media age… people are more aware of wealth.” — Clay Travis [35:02]
  • Buck references Crane Brinton’s Anatomy of Revolution on expectations fueling revolutionary sentiment.
  • “That’s my fear of AI is that it’s going to play into, as the super wealthy become wealthier, it’s going to play into the angst and that’s going to become the new Democrat message.” — Clay Travis [38:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Democrat decline:

  • “Obama just devastated that. That’s really an indictment of more of Obama than it is even Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and really… how toxic Obama’s presidency was to Democrats in whole regions of the country.” — Ryan Girdusky [05:41]

• On generational shifts on foreign policy:

  • “By a 2 to 1 margin, Republicans under 45 say it is not worth the cost of going to war with Iran.” — Ryan Girdusky [08:35]
  • “70% of Republicans under the age of 45 want the Republican presidential candidate to take a different approach to Israel than Trump.” — Ryan Girdusky [09:19]

• On youth and Israel skepticism:

  • "These are kids who were previously watching Charlie Kirk videos. Now they're watching anti Israel, anti AIPAC videos. It's showing up on all their feeds." — Clay Travis [10:08]

• On AI fearmongering and PR disasters:

  • “Having, you know, billionaires that look like the bad guy from a superhero movie, making the case for them is not really the best option. Lex Luthor would not be selling the best option for them.” — Ryan Girdusky [16:37]

• On AI optimism:

  • “AI is going to make humanity much the same way that the combustion engine has made human beings... so much wealthier.” — Buck Sexton [30:26]

• On class resentment in the AI age:

  • “It doesn't matter what I have, I should have more... That's a very, very powerful manipulation tool. That's my fear of AI is that it's going to play into… class angst and anger.” — Clay Travis [38:28]

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Important Timestamps

• [03:10] — Breaking news on Minneapolis Medicaid fraud; introduction to DNC autopsy discussion
• [05:28] — Ryan Girdusky critiques DNC autopsy and Democratic losses
• [06:58] — Generational splits in GOP on Iran and Israel
• [09:46] — Clay’s personal anecdotes on teen skepticism about Israel
• [11:30] — Girdusky on loss of Holocaust “living memory” and how it shifts opinion
• [13:26] — Redistricting’s impact on House races
• [14:49] — Shift to AI discussion and threats against tech executives
• [15:21] — Girdusky on anti-tech sentiment and violence
• [17:22] — Humorous AI robot stories
• [18:11] — Who owns data in the AI future?
• [19:02] — Danger of “bad regulations” in a panic
• [23:16] — Recap of DNC autopsy and shift to AI optimism
• [27:30] — Clay’s bullishness on tech, comparison with dot-com bust
• [29:51] — Buck’s argument for AI’s foundational economic role
• [35:02] — Class envy and wealth disparity in the AI era
• [38:28] — How class angst could become a defining political theme
• [39:27] — Practical AI benefits—arguments for everyday adoption
• [40:13] — “AI is good for humanity as long as it can’t replace radio hosts!” — Clay Travis

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Summary Verdict

This episode offers listeners a fast-paced, thoughtful, and sometimes provocative tour through shifting political currents and the looming social, economic, and even existential questions posed by AI. The show’s tone remains accessible, laced with humor even when touching on dire themes—from party collapses and deepening generational divides to would-be futuristic assassins and supercar-equipped tech moguls. Listeners get both practical advice (“Try AI for yourself!”) and sharp analysis of how political, technological, and social spheres are colliding in real time.

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Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in hour number two, Thursday edition, Clay and Buck. We're about to be joined by our buddy Ryan Gardusky, who's a part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. But breaking news and it is ongoing at this moment in Minneapolis, the Department of justice has announced 15 new indictments in the Minnesota fraud federal investigation saying they have uncovered $90 million in fraud, seven different state managed Medicaid programs. I'm reading from Bill Milluchin's Twitter feed as they were being used, quote, as personal piggy banks by the fraudsters. It's shocking to see the DOJ, says Dr. Oz talking right now. I don't think it's stuns any of you that many of these blue states have huge amounts of wasted dollars when it comes to fraud. And we will get into that. We'll get into a little bit of the other, I would say story that is ongoing. The DNC has released its 2024 autopsy at Ryan Gardusky with us now. Ryan, I want to hit you with some of these numbers. Um, this is from the DNC autopsy and many of you are going to remember this. In 2009, Democrats had 60 Senate seats, 256 congressional seats. They had 28 governorships, 4,082 state legislature members and 17 states where they had a trifecta meeting. They controlled all of it. Now, now when you look at it, Senators 13 in favor of Republicans, 41 different congressional seats moved in Republican direction. Governors moved in five more than 832 new Republican state legislatures, 13 states more that are now the Republican trifecta. That's a lot of data. Does it surprise you? Have Democrats learned anything? What did you take from this overall autopsy of the defeat in 2024?

[Ryan Gardusky]

Well, I thought the autopsy missed a lot of things. Like they didn't mention Biden's age at all in the entire autopsy. It's over 100 page long. So I didn't read the entire thing. I skimmed a bit of it. I thought they were missing quite a bit. I think that they did nail the fact that they thought that Kamala Harris was out of touch and that the fact that she.

[Clay Travis]

Her.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Her immigrant. Transgender. Immigrant. Transgender ad was devastating towards. Towards Kamala's campaign that Trump made. That was the ad that Alex Pfeiffer made. I believe the numbers go when it comes to a level of support, actually, that's a pretty rosy image for Democrats because if they would have done it from 2009 until 2016, those numbers would have looked actually far worse for Democrats. What we saw through most of that time, especially the Abid administration, was the realignment where states that had local Democrat control completely abolished. Remember Mississippi in 2009 had three Democratic congressmen and was majority Democratic legislatures. So was Alabama, so was. So was Louisiana. Texas was one seat away from flipping from majority Republican to majority Democrat in 2009. That's how much the south still held on from like the 1950s and 40s of local Democratic control. And Obama just devastated that. That's really an indictment of more of Obama than it is even Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and really how, you know, how toxic Obama's presidency were to Democrats in whole regions of the country.

[Clay Travis]

Ryan, thanks for being here with us. I know you've done some looking into the. It looks like there's an age divide, specifically on Iran right now and support for it and how it's all going. Can you walk us through a couple things on this one? First of all, the GOP it seems, is very united behind Trump. I'm talking now, of course, just Republican voters very united behind Trump overall united behind him on Iran, but also kind of not happy in some percentage with how Iran is going. Like, can you help us make sense? Is this a big deal? Is this going to affect the midterms? Is everything okay? Am I being too pessimistic? Am I not being pessimistic enough? Like, explain this.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Well, I've never heard you not be pessimistic enough. So there's.

[Clay Travis]

Wow.

[Ryan Gardusky]

But.

[Clay Travis]

Salty. Salty Graduski, go ahead.

[Ryan Gardusky]

But. But I think that Republicans in large are in very favor of. Of Trump and of the Iran war. That number is slipping and it's especially slipping with voters under the age of 49. If you think of the entire lineage of the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, the war on terrorists, people before 1980 have borne much of the sacrifice of every one of those conflicts. So people born after 1980 are very, very, very pessimistic when it comes to foreign policy. They do not want nation building, they do not want wars overseas. And they've also had a change of heart around the subject of Israel. When the New York Times looked at just Republican voters under between the ages of 18 to 49, 75% of voters over 45, largely those who get their news from cable news, they were in favor of the war. Voters between the ages of 18 to 44, rather not 49, 44, 53% opposed the war to 39 who supported. And by a 2 to 1 margin, Republicans under 45 say it is not worth the cost of going to war with Iran. They're also the ones trying to pay for their mortgage and their kids tuition and all the gas prices and everything like that. What's more, most shocking really of all the data is the question of Israel. When they asked about what you want from a Republican presidential candidate in 2028, 70% of Republicans under the age of 45 want the Republican presidential candidate to take a different approach to Israel than Trump. Among voters over 45, it was only 20% want a different opinion than Trump does. So it is a complete split. The but we're not going to see that electorally for at least another decade because baby boomers and elder Gen Xers are by far the majority of Republican primary voters. It's going to take a little while to see that actually change out and bear out in elections. But we're probably a decade away from seeing a gigantic shift on foreign policy with within the side of the Republican Party.

[Clay Travis]

I'm glad you brought this up, Ryan. My middle son is 15 and he had a bunch of his friends over there playing basketball in the backyard. And these are kids that are predisposed. The school that my kids go to, 75% Trump voters in. You know, they poll the kids in the school 75, 25, it was 80, 20, something like that. The kids voted for for Trump. And let me give you a little bit more. When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, basically the whole school wore jackets and ties to school the next day in honor of Charlie Kirk. So they are hyper online. They were very big Charlie Kirk fans. This past about 10 days ago, they sat down with me, they had a couple of questions about politics and they all wanted to know why AIPAC was so influential. Now this blew my mind because when I was 15 years old, maybe you knew the NRA. I didn't know any interest groups. They are seeing videos that are telling them all day long. And this is significant. I think Israel is making all the decisions in the United States. AIPAC runs our entire political organization. These are kids who were previously watching Charlie Kirk videos. Now they're watching anti Israel, anti AIPAC videos. It's showing up on all their feeds. They're asking me about it. I think it's one of the most successful anti Israel campaigns that I have ever seen. And the younger you are, the more you're seeing it. And it sounds like you're seeing it reflected now in the polls. I've seen it reflected in my own household. What's going on here?

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yeah, you know, I live half my life in Louisiana. It's red state, red county, America. And I, I personal experience. Almost every person I know cannot stand Israel from now down. Like, this is a place that there will be more Zionists in Louisiana than there would be in Israel 20 years ago. I think there is a real shift in mentality where voters feel like they got. They asked for one thing and got another. And voters feel in large part like they have very little control. So it is easy to prop up other entities and say they must have the control. Because I feel like I have no control. And that's why a lot of conspiracies have flourished in the last couple of years, especially online. I think that. I think that Bibi Netanyahu, for all, I don't, I don't know the man, but for all is good and bad, he has done a terrible job with PR when it comes to America and Americans and leaning so heavily into an older generation, a cable news generation, and a generation with living memory of the Holocaust, which is a big divide of it. We are talking about a generation not only obviously didn't live through the World War II, but doesn't know anybody or has never even seen a living person who went through the Holocaust. When I was a kid, we had Holocaust survivors who would come to schools and stuff like that. That doesn't exist anymore. So as all those things escape living memory, relationships change. And we do not and also change within the, within communities that are not uber evangelical. Why do we. Why are we so loyal to this nation? Why does Israel have a nation specifically created by an identity? Why don't we have that? There's a lot of anger and, or frustration or worry or concern or, or questions about that. And so that is really. The divide is. I think a big part of it is living memory with anyone who ever existed from the Holocaust. Living memory of any of these things and it exposes people to a lot of questions that I think that supporters of Israel really haven't thought of how to answer and talk about.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of and Ryan Gardusky's podcast is. It's a numbers game. And speaking of the numbers, Brian, congrats on doing great numbers on the podcast recently. Growing, growing month, month, month after month. And I just wanted to because I want to take us into a somewhat happy. Well, yeah, I'm gonna take us into a happy direction, I hope. I think. Is the redistricting situation looking like it might be the X factor that allows Republicans to keep the House in your mind? Is it powerful enough that it could do that or is that giving it too much credit or what?

[Ryan Gardusky]

It's powerful enough to keep Republicans where I think that if they lose the House, they lose us by 10 seats at most. Right now where it's a 10 seat majority in in either which way I think that there are the ceiling for Democrats is lower than it ever has been. I don't think that there's a way really for them to get to 230 seats or you know, maybe 228 at most is what we're looking at. 230 be a stretch or maybe a few seats flip here or there. But Republicans need to do a little bit better on polling. Gas prices need to come down. The economy needs to get better for people. If that happens, then yes, Republicans can keep the House. It is that significant. But as long as gas prices are high, I still think Democrats have the favor. But they would have had like a 90% chance. Now they probably have like a 65% chance of keeping of winning the house.

[Clay Travis]

Let's talk AI for a minute. There's been a lot of talk about the UnitedHealthcare CEO's assassination. What are you seeing as it pertains to AI? And I know you've got a discussion surrounding the danger. I know a lot of these AI guys and gals. Unfortunately they have huge security teams that are following them around now because they're starting to be a demon, a demonization, I think of a significant level of big tech associated with it. What do you see?

[Ryan Gardusky]

So I did a whole every episode of this week's on a numbers game podcast on my podcast for the Clam Buck Network is about AI. It's about data centers, AI. I bring on journalists and experts to really just go through what is nonsense, what is the truth and what's really in the middle that we could talk about. The numbers against AI are so aggressive and have shift so aggressively. And what I predict in this episode that's coming out tomorrow is I think over the next three years, a serious assassination against a tech executive is not impossible. The Luigi Mangione, how he is treated by the far left and how he is worshiped and glorified and almost treated as a saint is something to behold in the sense that they weren't repulsed by a murderer. And in the last couple months, we've had two assassination attempts against Sam Altman. They were both unsuccessful, but they got a Molotov cocktail through his window of his house or in front of his house. It is not. As long as you go outside, you are absolutely under risk. If you are high profile enough. And I don't know if there's a security team in the world that could change that. And I think that the people like Kevin o' Leary who have been going to bat and saying data centers are good and whatnot, I think they have a lot of the wrong messengers. And as for every time that you have someone say something smart like Jeff Bezos was on cnbc, had a really, really strong interview why I was good. You also have Dario, Dario Modi from. From Blanking Anthropic. He's going on and saying 50% unemployment and a complete apocalypse of new jobs. They've created very bad PR for themselves. And they've had. And having, you know, billionaires that look like the bad guy from a superhero movie, making the case for them is not really the best option. Lex Luthor would not be selling the best option for them. I think it's really coming to a boiling point. I think that there's a lot of anger and it's getting worse as the generations are getting younger. And anxiety is overwhelmingly of can I find a job or is AI going to take my job from me?

[Clay Travis]

But what about the dog robot that we're all going to have that will bark and will never leave us and maybe can go fetch things for you? There's going to be upside here too, Ryan. Don't forget that.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Did you see the robot that was gonna.

[Clay Travis]

It was.

[Ryan Gardusky]

The guy wanted a beer from. And he's sitting on the couch and the robot lifted the refrigerator and brought it to. Brought it to the couch. And I was like, why didn't they just take the beer out of the refrigerator? Why'd they lift the entire refrigerator?

[Clay Travis]

Did you see the robot that was trying to Michael Jackson dance? That did not go well. That would. That also went viral. I might be the only person who's optimistic about AI on The planet, by the way.

No, I'm, I'm actually optimistic about it. I think, I think people are. Yeah, I think this is like a. Of chicken little stuff personally.

[Ryan Gardusky]

But they're, but, but the AI companies are creating their own bad pr.

[Clay Travis]

That is to a large extent true.

[Ryan Gardusky]

And, and the fact that they will not allow. They don't want any regulations on the industry at all. When I said in the podcast, was this AI supposed to do all this great stuff on health. Right. They're supposed to be able to scan our bodies and get results. That's great. That's wonderful. I'm totally for that. Who owns those scans though? Does the AI company. And then can they sell them or does the doctor. Is there any HIPAA require regulation?

[Clay Travis]

Those are real questions,

[Ryan Gardusky]

real answer. And the. And, and AI companies screaming it's you're going to. You want China to win is not the appropriate answer if you want to have an adult conversation. Because if what happened? This is my big fear. If they mythos did not get released their newest mythos because they were afraid of hacking. Let's say they do break an AI system.

[Clay Travis]

30 seconds. Ryan, we gotta go. Go ahead.

[Ryan Gardusky]

If we have a catacomb classic attack or a catacomb classic event because of AI, we will have stupid people making regulations. We should have smart people ahead of time. That's what you want and that's why we should have this conversation now.

[Clay Travis]

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Yeah, absolutely, I would. I would also point out that I was the, like, lone conservative voice. I think in America, maybe it was Rand Paul as well, who's like, they're not gonna get rid of TikTok. OK? Everyone's like, oh, the Chinese spying app. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know, but they're gonna figure out something. They're not gonna just make it go away. Everyone needs to calm down. Guess what? I was right. Now Trump is like, TikTok. It's great. You see the memes, you see the things. I'm on TikTok. I look handsome. It's fabulous. So that changed and now on, on AI, this is, you know, AI is going to have so many use cases that I think are so beneficial to so many people. There's going to be some changes. Of course, there is the buggy, whip to automobiles transition that you can go through at different times, but eventually people will realize, I think, that the productivity benefits from this so greatly for humanity, so greatly outweigh the negatives, because that really is. Is almost. I'm thinking about what is the technology that has been a major advance that has made life worse.

Great question.

You'd have to really, people be like, my cell phone. That's a no, please. Yeah, you're going to give up your smartphone. You don't want instant communication apps that can do all these amazing, like, you know, we have to be grateful for what we have and live in reality here. I'm not saying people don't have smartphone addiction and there aren't problems, and I'm not saying social media doesn't come with issues. But anyway, I think AI is going to be immensely useful in a whole range of ways. And really the future of the modern American economy is essentially at this point a bet on AI.

Yeah.

If AI was some kind of a dud, which is not even really possible, we can already see some of the things that it's doing. If it were a dud or a catastrophe, what. What's the next thing that's going to kick up all of this productivity interest? And remember the point I was making about wealth versus status? The Naval Ravikant paradigm of wealth versus status. AI is going to make humanity much the same way that the combustion engine has made human beings overall and overwhelmingly so much wealthier. Electricity and harnessing it has made us so much wealthier. You know, go through the list of different things. Right. AI Clay, I think, is going to go right into that same category. And I so I'm very bullish on it. I mean, yeah. Do I think that, like Sam Altman seems really sketchy and I agree with the Elon thing that you can't build a nonprofit and then just be like, yeah, it's a for profit now. Like, now I'm a billionaire. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I know they're appealing that. By the way, that wasn't. We mentioned this earlier in the week. They didn't agree with the maneuver. The jury just said it was time barred. Essentially there was a statute of limitations issue.

[Ryan Gardusky]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, and not to go all legal nerd on you, if there's a statute of limitation issue that should be decided by the judge, not the jury. General rule issues of law are decided by judges. Statute of limitation related issues should be decided by judges. Again, general rule fact issue should be decided by juries. I don't understand how the case even went to trial if they are saying there's a statute of limitations related issue with it. We didn't get into the minutiae of that case, but I've been reading about it. It's a very strange result to me. If the statute of limitations is there, it shouldn't ever have existed.

Well, so. So the dispute is when did Elon, like, essentially, when did the harm of the plan to start to make this a for profit company come to Elon's attention? So it's a very weird. Did he really know in 2018? Did he know in 2020? Did he. And so this is what was at issue. But fundamentally, I just think it's bizarre that we're not getting a ruling on. So you can just be like, hey, this is my nonprofit. Take all the tax benefits from that and then be like, you know what, now that we have a lot of infrastructure, we've built this incredible thing, I'm just going to become really rich and use it to make money for myself. That's now a thing. That's the precedent that we're setting with OpenAI. So I think that I'm totally team Elon on this. I think it's bizarre that it's even been able to go as far as it has. That Sam Elman guy, from what I understand, Clay, you know, he says he doesn't really care about money. I think he owns a $6 million car. You think he has either like a Pagani or a Bugatti or one of those like $6 million supercars. If you own a $6 million car, you care a little too much about money. OK. You know you're really into it.

So there aren't that many guys who claim to not care about money that live in huts. I'll just point it out. Right. If you are truly a sort of stoic hermit like character and you're just this ascetic who is completely committed to the, the betterment of humankind, I don't see very many of those guys.

It's. I'm Sorry, it's a $3 million. He drives a $3 million. What is this car called? It is a Venom F5 supercar that goes 300,000 miles per hour. I'm sorry, no. 3. It's not. Sorry. 300 miles at 300. Whoa. That is a supercar. Light speed. This is like spaceballs. Ludicrous speed though. 300.

Like the Millennium Falcon. I didn't even know there was a three million dollar car.

Oh yeah. Is a car that can go 300 miles an hour. It says so. Yeah, that's, that's. He has a. He has this weird like extremely rare supercar that can go 300 miles an hour. But I'm just like, if you're Sam Altman and you want to tell everybody that you don't care about money, you're just doing this for humanity. I think it's a weird move to be like, I'm also going to get like the most expensive supercar on the planet and like drive around in it and show everyone how rich I am. He's not racing it. He's not getting it to 300 miles an hour. That's a car you have. You're like, look at me, I have a really expensive car.

Here is one thing that I do think is going to become super challenging. I think the scale of success for those who are successful is going to go exponential rapidly. And I do think to your point on buck status versus wealth, everybody can get wealthier and that's a great thing. But if suddenly there are a ton of trillionaires, I think that's going to be a challenge society wide. Because in a social media age, remember back in the day, we watched Robin Leach when he did Lifestyles of the

Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. And he's got this $30,000 square foot house on the beach in Rosemary.

I think that's a great place. Rosemary Beach. I think that people now, because you see it on your phone, are more aware of wealth. There was a level of remove when you watched it on television. You thought to yourself, oh, that guy owns an island. But I don't really know what it's like to be on the island and nobody really knows anybody who lives on an island. I think wealth is so much more public now and people see it and it makes them angry. And I think your wealth versus class distinction is a good one. And so I do think the successes of capitalism are going to skyrocket in an AI age, which is going to make people who are living paycheck to paycheck angrier. And Democrats are going to use that anger to try and fuel the entire basis of their political party. Class angst and anger is going to become their new. And you say it's not new, but I think it's going to have even more potency in an AI age.

So there was a book by Crane Brinton that I have, it's called the Anatomy of Revolution and it's pretty influential in the realm of, well, I guess revolution studies clay and it breaks things down into the preliminary stage, first stage crisis and then the, and then the recovery. But one thing that I thought was interesting, I read the book years and years ago, was that a major indicator of when people have like revolutionary sentiment is not deprivation, poverty, whatever. It's what they have versus what they think they should have. It's about expectations relative to where they are not, you know, oh my gosh, we have no bread, we're all starving in the streets. A lot of times there's mass starvation and no revolution.

Yeah.

So why is it that sometimes people take up arms, go all out and everything else. And I think it's by. That's very. If you think about this, it also explains a lot of the leftist maniacs in this country who are, you know, some of these people who are spokesmen now for the violent left in America are rich. They're rich people.

Yeah, most of them.

[Ryan Gardusky]

But what.

[Clay Travis]

Right, right, but, but what they're doing. Yeah, most of them is correct. What they're doing is there. They're manipulating and they are seizing upon that part of people that is. It doesn't matter what I have, I should have more.

You know, that's a very, very powerful manipulation tool. That's my fear of AI is that it's going to play into, as the super wealthy become wealthier, it's going to play into the angst and that's going to become the new Democrat message. And look, I mean I, I am fascinated by it. Let me just say this. If you are not at least playing around, I don't mean that you need to be basing your business on it, but I bet you would co Sign on this. Buck, if you're not at least playing around and trying to sample an AI, whether it's chat, GPT, we. I use Grok on Twitter.

I use Grok all the time. I'd say it's the, the third or fourth most used app on my phone now is Grok. I use it for, I use it to give me, you know, recommendation on, you know what I did the other day? I said find me the best sweet potato noodles that can be delivered dry to my home in Miami in the next 24 hours.

It hooked me up immediately.

Good to go.

I just would, would you co sign on this? Instead of being afraid of it, just start to use it. I think most people use Google and Google's gotten into the AI business too. Use Grok or find a. A AI source. And I don't mean try to use it for evil. I mean like what Buck just did. Like information that is helpful for you. I think you will be stunned by how well it works. I use it now to make arguments on my sports show. I just. Because I. It takes a long time to look up facts. It does a great job of synthesizing information instantaneously. I'm telling you, I think you'll be impressed and I think you'll sit back and say, okay, maybe this part of AI is not evil. Maybe it can just make my life a little bit easier than it already is.

AI is good for humanity as long as it can't replace radio hosts, then we have to draw a firm line.

All right?

Then we need legislation, then we need regulation.

[Ryan Gardusky]

All right?

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