Hour 2 - Attacking ICE

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 2 - Attacking ICE
Release Date: July 9, 2025
Host/Authors: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the second hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into a disturbing incident involving a violent attack on an ICE detention center in Texas. They explore the broader implications of this event, its political undertones, and the contrasting media narratives surrounding left-wing violence versus the portrayal of Trump supporters.

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Incident at ICE Detention Center

[01:04] Buck Sexton:
"All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. And as we had just discussed and set up for our next discussion over the 4th of July weekend, this happened. 10 have been charged with attempted murder, murder after shooting at an ice detention center."

Buck Sexton introduces a grave event where ten individuals were charged with attempted murder and murder following a shooting at the A Prairieland detention center in Alvarado, Texas. The incident occurred amidst demonstrations against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) over the July 4th weekend.

[02:00] Clay Travis:
"You’ve got 10 people who have been arrested for this already... People were at a detention center... these 10 people got into it with some ICE officers."

Clay Travis provides detailed context, explaining that the perpetrators vandalized ICE vehicles and escalated the situation by shooting fireworks at federal agents. The situation worsened when one individual separated from the group opened fire with an AR15, injuring an officer.

[03:30] Buck Sexton:
"Inside the van were two AR15 rifles, two Kevlar ballistic style vests and a ballistic helmet. Clay, this group of left-wing maniacs showed up to assault an immigration enforcement facility and ended up shooting a law enforcement officer in the neck. And this is, this is terrorism. This is a big deal."

The hosts emphasize the severity of the attack, categorizing it as terrorism due to the intentional targeting of federal law enforcement officers.

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Political Analysis: Left-Wing Violence vs. Trump Supporters

[05:08] Unknown Speaker:
"It's a huge story... in the midst of the flooding and over July 4th weekend, it hasn't gotten the attention that it otherwise would."

An unidentified co-host discusses the overshadowing of this violent incident by other significant events, particularly the tragic flooding in Texas over the same weekend. They argue that despite its gravity, the story hasn't received proportional media coverage.

[06:56] Buck Sexton:
"What happened to the DHS and these other agency bulletins that were suddenly coming out under the Biden administration with the threat of white nationalism..."

Buck Sexton criticizes the Biden administration for highlighting white supremacy as the primary threat to America, juxtaposing it with the underreporting of left-wing violent actions.

[07:11] Unknown Speaker:
"I think a lot of distraction has rightly occurred because of the far more significant loss of life in Texas..."

The co-host suggests that the media’s focus on other disasters has diverted attention from the ICE center attack but reiterates the importance of addressing left-wing extremism.

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Public Opinion on Immigration and Biden’s Policies

[09:37] Unknown Speaker:
"I think this is why I'm such an optimist that over time, the right arguments win... 64 million people voted for Trump in 2016. By 2024, 77 million voted for Trump."

The discussion shifts to public opinion on immigration, citing a Signal study showing broad support across racial groups for deporting individuals illegally present in the U.S. The hosts argue that Democratic rhetoric has failed to resonate with the electorate, leading to increased support for Trump's immigration policies.

[10:41] Buck Sexton:
"The illegal alien propaganda was, oh, this is just about being a nice person... They're lying to get into the country... People are tired of the crap."

Buck Sexton vehemently criticizes the portrayal of illegal immigration as benign, asserting that it has led to economic and social strains.

[12:07] Unknown Speaker:
"This is why the marketplace of ideas matters so much... Trump was 1 billion percent right."

Emphasizing the "marketplace of ideas," the co-host expresses optimism that factual arguments against illegal immigration will ultimately prevail, bolstered by increasing voter support for Trump’s stance.

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Discussion on Trump’s Position and Support

[21:35] Unknown Speaker:
"Trump has been a good example of this because Trump has tried not to go straight to age because there are 85-year-olds and 90-year-olds listening to us right now who are sharper by far than the average 50-year-old."

The hosts transition to discussing President Trump's enduring energy and capability, contrasting it with criticisms of President Biden's cognitive abilities. They highlight Trump's exceptional stamina, suggesting it surpasses typical expectations for his age.

[29:42] Buck Sexton:
"I have a thought on this, too... but for a lot of Democrats in the media, there was a sense of, you can’t talk about Fetterman’s cognitive issues because, good God, imagine if we started talking about Biden’s cognitive issues."

Buck Sexton elaborates on the perceived double standards in addressing the mental fitness of political leaders, pointing out that while Biden’s cognitive issues are often dismissed or downplayed, similar concerns about other Democrats are met with resistance.

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Listener Calls and Debates on Biden’s Cognitive Abilities

[20:23] Dave from Tallahassee:
"When Biden did the debates in June, who was the one or the group that allowed him to do that?... They shouldn't have had them debate."

Listener Dave criticizes the decision to allow Biden to participate in debates, suggesting it was a strategic mistake that exposed Biden's perceived weaknesses.

[27:00] Buck Sexton:
"Can I jump in? Marty, just because I want to say I agree with you... it was reckless to make this guy president in 2020."

In response to caller Marty, Buck Sexton agrees that nominating Biden was a significant error, reflecting on the administration's handling of his candidacy and presidency.

[36:49] Buck Sexton:
"He has showed some spine and some courage... We don't play the game of everything somebody says is bad because they're on. Wear the jersey of the other side."

The hosts commend Senator Fetterman for his support of Biden, acknowledging his integrity and courage amidst political opposition.

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton provide a critical examination of recent violent incidents targeting federal enforcement agencies, highlighting perceived media biases and political double standards. They advocate for stringent immigration policies, applaud Trump's consistent stance, and question the administration's portrayal of threats and leadership capabilities. The discussion underscores a theme of frustration with current political narratives and a call for a more balanced and honest discourse.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Buck Sexton [01:04]:
  "All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now... 10 have been charged with attempted murder, murder after shooting at an ice detention center."

• Clay Travis [02:00]:
  "These 10 people got into it with some ICE officers... they were trying to kill the guy. And this is terrorism."

• Unknown Speaker [06:56]:
  "It's a huge story... it hasn't gotten the attention that it otherwise would."

• Buck Sexton [07:11]:
  "Biden said the number one threat to America was white supremacy. Joe Biden. Yes, that's what he said."

• Unknown Speaker [09:37]:
  "This is why the marketplace of ideas matters so much... Trump was 1 billion percent right."

• Buck Sexton [21:35]:
  "Trump has been a good example of this because Trump has tried not to go straight to age..."

• Dave from Tallahassee [20:23]:
  "When Biden did the debates in June, who was the one or the group that allowed him to do that?... They shouldn't have had them debate."

• Buck Sexton [27:00]:
  "It was reckless to make this guy president in 2020."

• Buck Sexton [36:49]:
  "We don't play the game of everything somebody says is bad because they're on the other side."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the second hour of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, providing listeners with an in-depth understanding of the topics covered without needing to listen to the episode directly.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. And as we had just discussed and set up for our next discussion over the 4th of July weekend, this happened. 10 have been charged with attempted murder, murder after shooting at an ice detention center. And I want to give you some of the details of this. This was the update as of yesterday, but on the 4th of July. Now, look, I, this part of the reason I think this didn't get more attention is completely understandable in a news cycle sense that the tragedy in Texas and we still, I even have a hard time talking about that off air to friends and family just in terms of, you know, the updates. It's, it's such a, it's such a gut punch. It's so horrible what happened and it's just terribly sad, terribly sad situation. And our hearts really, truly do go out to the families of those affected and to those communities in Texas that have been hit. You know, you know, we love Texas on this show. We have so many of you who are Texans and it just has a special place in our heart and we're thinking about all of you. So that's. That, that's part of why I think this story is almost on this. This other story I'm about to talk to you about almost unknown to a lot of people. And then there's the political aspect of it, which is I think they don't want this story to get a lot of attention. And here's what happened. You've got 10 people who have been arrested for this already. And 11th is expected to face separate charges. People were at A Prairieland detention center in Alvarado, Texas. And they had vandalized ICE vehicles who that were parked there. This is 28 miles to the south of Fort Worth in Texas. And there were all these demonstrations that were happening. And now remember, the left has decided, I think Clay, right now, they've moved on a little bit from Free Palestine stuff, whatever that means to the ICE thing is now the new, this is the, the thing, this is the current thing for left wing maniacs who, you know, want to act out and break the law and push for anarchy and chaos. So there are these, these demonstrations, protests going on. But while this was happening, these 10 people, well, got into it with some ICE officers. And then this was on Friday at 10:37pm 10 to 12 people shot fireworks at the detention center. Think about this. You're shooting fireworks at peace officers, at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, federal agents. And then one of the two people separated from the group and wrote graffiti, ICE pig and traitor on the car. Now, ICE pig I believe means kill the police. Just putting that out there. So they're writing on the, on the car, on the ice, you know, Immigration Customs Enforcement vehicles. And then trader, of course, we all know what that's about. A officer from the Alvarado Police Department arrived at the detention center parking lot. He got out of the vehicle. A person in the woods opened fire with an AR15, shot this officer in the neck. A detective from the Johnson County Sheriff's Office who was heading the detention center pulled over a van that had fled the scene. The driver, identified as Megan Morris, told police officers of meeting people online and bringing them to, quote, make some noise. Inside the van were two AR15 rifles, two Kevlar ballistic style vests and a ballistic helmet. Clay, this group of left wing maniacs showed up to assault with, with semiautomatic rifles an immigration enforcement facility and ended up shooting a law enforcement officer in the neck. And this is a, this is terrorism. This is a big deal.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's a huge story. It's a huge story. And I think you're right that because it happened in Texas in the midst of the flooding and over July 4th weekend, it hasn't gotten the attention that it otherwise would. I think that's even true on Fox News and the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post and places that you would assume would cover this. I think a lot of distraction has rightly occurred because of the far more significant loss of life in Texas and what happened there. That story in conjunction with July 4th, this is one though that I do believe is incredibly important to focus on because what it represents, what we Talked about, the Jan6 Democrats were able to create what I think is a fundamental lie in the larger marketplace of ideas. And they were able to cede it and they were able to argue it and many of their supporters believe it, which is Trump supporters are uniquely dangerous and violent and therefore we must have them underneath the microscope of the security apparatus. And when you did that, you could then remember the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping. There were a lot of stories that they were able to feed and we talked about this on the program. When you tell FBI agents, hey, this is our focus. We need you to find people doing these crimes. And then you know the media is going to cover it when you, when you find it. They created the idea that Trump supporters were uniquely dangerous. It isn't true. I think in fact, most violence that's happening of a political nature in the last four or five years has actually been left wing led. And this is representative of that.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, what happened to the, the DHS and these other agency bulletins that were, that were suddenly coming out under the Biden administration with the threat of white nationalism. And we have to be so concerned about the white nationalist terrorists. And we're sitting around and we used to say this on the show.

[Unknown Speaker]

Biden said the number one threat to America was white supremacy. Joe Biden. Yes, that's what he said.

[Buck Sexton]

And I still to this day, I have met jihadists and I have seen what they are capable of. I've never met a white supremacist. I live in America. I've never met one. So I sit here and I say to myself, that's the biggest threat in America. It was all, it was all, of course inflated again. Do they exist? Yeah, of course. Are they something that people are concerned about day to day in a country 350 million people? No, they are not. Imagine for a second. And this just, I think puts it into context that we have 10 people here have been charged with attempted murder of a federal officer. OK? 10 people have been charged with attempted murder of a federal officer. Basically ambushing this ICE agent at this facility in Texas with rifles, trying to kill the guy. And Clay, imagine if FBI officers who were arresting again, I'm going to this because it's the, the very partisan thing in the moment right now. Immigration is the very partisan fight nationally. And you know, we're on the side of good and the law with this one. But imagine on the J6 thing for a second, 10 J6 supporters or you know, 10 people who were supportive of the J6 rights movement, which is all it was. These people should be treated fairly and not treated like monsters. And members of Al Qaeda, in many cases, not really doing anything. And then there was an ambush of an FBI officer who got shot in the neck trying to serve a warrant on J6 Clay. There would be like armored cars patrolling the streets of America with loudspeakers declaring martial law under Biden. I mean, it would be a full scale national freakout if that had happened. And this story gets swept under the rug. And it's also swept under the rug at a time when you have. This is a very common thing. I keep hearing they're saying, why do these ICE officers, these are elected officials in America. Why do they have to cover their faces while they're doing these operations?

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

Because they don't want their family to face death threats and possible actual attempted violence because they're enforcing the law. What does that say about the Democrats that the leadership is willing to throw law enforcement under the bus so quickly and. And so ruthlessly?

[Unknown Speaker]

I think this is true. And also, Buck, I would point out that Democrats are really on the wrong side of immigration still. Did you see this study that came out? Because I think it ties in. Signal came out with a study, a plus rating. I understand pollsters, as it are, as they are, you can agree or disagree with them, but this was pretty significant. Do you support or oppose deporting those illegally in the United States back to their country of origin? Support, 61%. Oppose, 35%. Even as we are still in the midst of Democrats trying to say, oh, there, this is the holocaust. ICE agents are modern day Nazis. Listen to this too, buck. White American, 6531 support. Black, 5337 support. Hispanic, 50 to 48 support. I mean, these are huge numbers. Every major racial group in America thinks that if you're illegally in this country, you should be sent back to the country of your origin.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the learning mechanism of the American people on display based on what the Biden regime put us through. And for a lot of people, the immigration propaganda. And of course, when I say immigration, we're talking about illegal immigration, illegal alien entry into the United States. The illegal alien propaganda was, oh, this is just about being a nice person. And this is the way America was built. And they're doing the jobs Americans won't do and everything else. And under Biden, it turned into 10 million people are coming here. They're lying. Okay? They're overwhelmingly not asylum they have no basis for asylum.

[Unknown Speaker]

They're.

[Buck Sexton]

They're lying to get into the country. They're getting access to benefits, they're trying to scam the system, and they're putting emergency rooms and state and local budgets and go down the list under huge duress. And people are tired of the crap. People of good faith on the issue of illegal immigration. And I mean, tens of millions of Americans feel scammed. I'm not talking about people like me that have thought this was bad for a long time. I mean, new people have come to the party and, and realized the media was lying to them, the Democrats were lying to them. Trump has been speaking the truth, and they got scammed. And that's why the numbers are what you just laid out. And Democrats don't know how to handle this right now.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let me also say this. This is why I'm such an optimist that over time, the right arguments win. This is one where Trump was 1 billion percent right. And think about all when, when he came down the escalator in 2015 and started his rise politically, what did he say? The border. The border. The border. People are illegal. Violent criminals are coming across the border. And they tried to cancel him. They tried to cancel him for that. And Trump has stayed on message for a decade now, leading with the border most of the time. And now the American public, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, has all been convinced that he is right on this issue. And this is why the marketplace of ideas is so important, because you can take something. You remember this buck, when he started, that it was a minority opinion. They tried to cancel him. They took him off television. Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

They thought they could just shout him down with, it's racist. Well, now a majority of black Americans and a majority of Latino Americans agree with Trump.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes. Because they have seen the impact of illegal immigration in their communities, and they know it's wrong. And this is why, over time, I really do. This is my. This is my ultimate optimism, and this is what I think about a lot. The marketplace of ideas matters so much, because sometimes you say things that make people uncomfortable. And over time, you continue to make your argument and more and more people see it. And I think that's the story writ large of Trump, because you know what? 64 million people voted for Trump in 2016. By 2024, 77 million voted for Trump. There's tens of millions of you out there listening right now all over the country who didn't vote for Trump in 16 that came on to vote for Trump by 24. And that's because of the rightness of his arguments over time being endorsed by the American public. I want to talk to you about the rightness of Trump's argument. Remember, by the way, when everybody said, hey, we're going to have World War three if Trump attacks Iran? Remember when we were told thousands of American troops are going to die? It's going to be an unbelievable calamity. There hasn't been a single casualty. But fortunately the Middle east, as Trump is working right now, seems to be hopefully calming down. Right now we're looking for a ceasefire in Gaza. Hezbollah, Hamas, both defeated the Houthis in retreat as well. Iran hopefully for years pushed back on their ability to be able to have a nuclear weapon. And we hope that cease fire can last. But you know, the reality is Israel has to constantly be building bomb shelters because their people are in danger at every moment of every day. And that's what the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews works to help do is take care of innocent people all over Israel. And your next gift will help provide wide scale food distribution along with critical first aid and emergency supplies. Items will help Israel's most vulnerable the sick, the elderly, children and families. The IFCJ is there in Israel working tirelessly thanks to your donations. Your gift today will also help place new bomb shelters. As I just said, these are incredibly valuable and important across Israel along with necessary supplies. Now's the time to save and help heal Israel. Call 888488 IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ. You can also go online to IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org you don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, hot days.

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[Unknown Speaker]

Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We got some callers who want to weigh in. Let's take some of those. Dave in Tallahassee. Dave, what you got?

Greetings, sir. My question for you, and you may have talked about it before, but when Biden did the debates in June, who was the one or the group that allowed him to do that? Because, you know, you've been watching for the past four years the last scene of the wizard of Oz. Who's behind the curtain? The lovers?

[Buck Sexton]

Because it wasn't David. It's, it's a great question, Clay. Are we still a little. I'm not sure if we see this the same or where we were on this before, but my sense was there were people who were saying that this was like, intentional to get him out. I don't know if you were on that side of it. I, I always thought that their belief, and I still believe that their belief was because of the echo chamber effect. They could get through one more night and then, and then it would be okay, you know, sort of clear sailing.

[Unknown Speaker]

Until at least the election, there was a debate. This is really chronicled. Oh, is this in the book? Yeah, it's in the, in the, in the, in the book. According to the book, again, there was basically two camps. One camp was don't debate at all. You know, just basically I made that prediction.

[Buck Sexton]

I guess I was wrong, but I was Right. Insofar as they shouldn't have had them debate.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, well, they shouldn't have debated. So that camp was out there. They were concerned that not debating because of Biden's negatives on age would actually drag them down and they would have to debate at some point. So that was point one. The second point was they really thought, if you go back to the State of the Union, they really thought that they could, I really think, shoot Biden up with whatever uppers they needed and he would go out and it wouldn't be a disaster. And they said the reactions to the debate were amazing, actually, in Original Sin. I mean, I was laughing out loud.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to get this book now. You're selling me on this book.

[Unknown Speaker]

But I mean, the historical as opposed. But the reactions from. From all the. They never thought it would be so bad. And in fact, they argued internally. Hey, if it doesn't go well, it's so early in June, we'll have time to recover. They only saw it as a positive. They. So it was a blunder. It was a blunder because there was.

[Buck Sexton]

This line of somebody wanted, you know, Kamala. And so I was like, no one would do that, guys. Nobody would knowingly sabotage the leading candidate from the Democrat side. I mean, that's a disaster. It was a disaster for them.

[Unknown Speaker]

When you read it, I think what comes through is the degree to which this was just a doddering old man and nobody could figure out how to get him to give up power. And there was a coterie of individuals, the politburo, as they call them, the five people and Jill Biden around him who were protecting him the most and saying, we got to continue with this. And there was no ability for Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama. They knew he had to go, but they couldn't figure out how to make him go.

[Buck Sexton]

There was no mechanism.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, there was.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Unknown Speaker]

550, I don't know. It's a big number.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, how you guys Doing fantastic is that Senator. Senator Biden did nothing as a legislator. He opposes civil rights. He was best friends with Senator Byrd. He. He was a terrible vice president. They pretty much locked him in the closet. 2020 rolls around, he hides in his basement. He's got his. His sunglasses on. He can't really campaign. I would go backwards. Not only did they cover up his dementia as president, I think they were covering it all the way back to 2020. He certainly wasn't a top candidate for the Democrat Party and the machine. He had no skills, he had no accomplishments. But what made him valuable was that he couldn't do the job and they could do it for him. And now we have questions about who's using the auto pan and all the other issues that go along.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I jump? Can I jump in? Marty, just because I want to say I agree with you. In 2020, before Clay and I teamed up on my own show, I was very dismissive in the primary of Biden because I said, this guy is not, you know, his fastball is gone if he ever had one. He's got cobwebs in his brain. I mean, it was clear in 20, this whole storyline they've done. Now they want to act. And Clay, I'm sure you're seeing this in the book. They want to act like Biden. Just in the six months of 2024, all of a sudden, he. No, no, no. This had been happening for years. I will concede it got worse over the four years. But, Clay, I think our caller Marty is right on when he says it was reckless to make this Guy President in 2020. They weren't hiding him because of COVID They were hiding him because of Biden.

[Unknown Speaker]

Covid allowed them to hide him. And I do think he got progressively worse. I think you can go back if you Watch Biden in October 2020 debate. Trump, he wasn't good. I mean, Trump actually wiped the floor with him, particularly in the second debate. The first debate, Trump was just kind of. I thought it was one of his worst debates. Candidly, back in 2020, 2024, Biden couldn't speak. And if you just put those side by side again, Biden wasn't great in October 2020. And I just come back and it does get brought up quite a lot. The her interview that he did with Biden. Remember Robert Her? Everybody's forgotten about Robert Her. And everybody ripped him to shreds and they tried to lie about him. He was completely vindicated.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he was honest. He was like, look, this guy, I think Put aside the politics for a second. His job was as a prosecutor to look at this. And he didn't come away and say, biden didn't break the law. He's just like, guys, it is a thing in criminal law where if somebody has senility and they're wandering out on the street in their underwear, like, you don't lock them up in a cell because they're making, you know, that's a real thing. And he basically said, now you can say, well, you know, he was the president and okay, but he was looking at it not as this guy's a president, he's looking at it as, did this guy break the law as an American who should face the wrath of the justice system? And he's like, he's too, he's too old and too, too frail minded. Which was true. He was too old and frail. Too old is not the right word. Not of sound mind. Same way that, you know, you could have an insanity plea, you can be somebody who has a dementia defense. And it was a real truth that he was speaking at that time.

[Unknown Speaker]

I think Trump has been a good example of this because Trump has tried not to go straight to age because there are 85 year olds and 90 year olds listening to us right now who are sharper by far than the average 50 year old.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to say this, all right? This is the truth. And I know we haven't. Clay and I haven't coordinated this, but I think Clay would agree with me. Although you do do a lot of media. Like I've earned. Every time I look up, I'm like, I'm like making eggs in the morning. Clays On Fox, it's 11 o' clock at night. I'm putting a baby to bed. Clay's. You do a lot of media, right? So. And I know I do a fair amount of media, too. You love to do the media. I don't think either of us would want to get into a like a media off at this point with Trump. As in just how many hours of media can you do straight? I think, I think I could beat him. But, but I knew, I knew Clay would say that. He thinks I would be like after.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hour four or five, I'd be like.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't have a voice. Whatever. You and Trump, it would be like the Hulk versus the thing on just doing more media.

[Unknown Speaker]

But I'm 46. Like, there is a zero. I would be stunned beyond belief if, I mean, if I were.

[Buck Sexton]

This is the point. We could agree on. He has a freakish amount of energy for his age. Freakish.

[Unknown Speaker]

Off, off the charts. I, I mean, and I think anybody out there who is 75 or 80, they understand this more. Right? Because we're trying to project, hey, what are you going to feel? I hope I feel good. I hope I make it. By the way, I'll make it to 79, but I'm 46. I feel really good. I imagine most of you out there when you're in your 40s, you felt pretty good energy, everything else. I can't imagine being 79 and doing what he does. I mean, I mean, in all honesty, Biden, the fact that he needed to sleep 10 hours a night or be in bed for 10 hours a night, the fact that he needed to take naps, that's actually super normal. Like they say in the, in the book again, that Biden was a guy who always needed. And some of you are like this. And I wish, by the way, I only needed four hours of sleep a night. I need more than that. I don't need a ton. But Biden always needed eight hours of sleep or he wasn't able to function. That was when he was at his best, in his 40s and 50s. And there's a lot of people like that. A lot of you out there right now, you're like, boy, if I, if I get six hours sleep, I can't do anything.

[Buck Sexton]

And so I'm like a nine, nine and a half hour sleep, guys. I really, really like my sleep. I'm not gonna lie. So I don't.

[Unknown Speaker]

The baby sometimes I, I don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome to the kid.

[Buck Sexton]

The team just told me this. I didn't even know this was on the. They, they're always pulling, you know, new sound bites for us. Cut 24. We did not. I didn't even see this on the sheet before. It's cut 24 today. Susie Wiles, White House Chief of Staff, Clay, she was speaking about exactly what we're talking about. I promise you, I did not even know that this was on our sheet today. Listen to what the chief of.

[Unknown Speaker]

He never stops working. And so when you combine a work ethic that's unparalleled with a wish list that's very long and an appetite for success for the American people, this is what you get. Yeah, hit the ground running. But I guess we see that Donald Trump works in Trump speed, warp speed. But that also means that the people who work for him do the same. Do you ever find it hard keeping up? I Don't know of another mortal who could really keep up.

Right.

I work as hard as I can, and I think I do. I do fine. Or at least if I don't. He hasn't told me that yet, but it is. It is superhuman pace. There is no question. And if you look around at the staff, they're all young but me. So there's. There's a reason for that.

[Buck Sexton]

As on Miranda, Miranda Devine's excellent podcast, by the way, sitting down with Susie Wiles. But Clay, this is. This is the truth. We always joke around every time we do an interview with Trump, which you've all listened to on the show many times, it's Clay, right? The staff is like, look, guys, we'll give you. We'll give you 10 minutes. Trump is just. He's just, like, cracking his knuckles and getting started. After talking for 10 minutes, he could do three hours. I'm always like, I'm waiting for one day to just come on, be like, you know what, guys? You take a break, go get some milkshakes. I'll take over for an hour or two. Like, he would just sit at the mic and go, I don't.

[Unknown Speaker]

Again, 79 years old. I don't think there are very many people that can do this. And I would just point out, they tried to argue that Trump needed to be 25th amendment in his first.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I mean about they accuse us of what they're doing. I mean, it's. But they needed a 25th amendment. Biden. Trump is the opposite of somebody who needs the 25th Amendment.

[Unknown Speaker]

But isn't it funny that that argument vanished, like, years ago? They were arguing in 2017, hey, we need to 25th Amendment the guy. Eight years later, the guy's still going full speed, and they don't even attempt to make the argument.

[Buck Sexton]

I have a thought on this, too, and I'm not. I'm not sure of this theory or I'm putting it out there, but I kind of think. I kind of think that part of the. Now, I know it was a Senate seat and that's important and that's in the balance and everything else, but remember when Dasha was. Dasha Burns? Is that right? What that was came out and said, look, I talked to Fetterman and the guy's having some issues. I feel like maybe it was subconscious and I could be reaching here. But for a lot of Democrats in the media, there was a sense of, you can't talk about Fetterman's cognitive issues, because, good God, imagine if we Started talking about Biden's cognitive issues. Like, I think there may have been an elevated sensitivity of about Fetterman among the people who cover politics, because it could have. If that had opened up a little bit more, people would have also said, well, while we're talking about Fetterman, what about the president?

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, in Original Sin, the biggest defender of Biden is Fetterman. And he actually says, in the wake, there's a. They take you into the Democrat Senate caucus room, and only five senators out of 51 or whatever the heck it was, raised their hand that they would support Biden if he were to run, that they thought he should run. One of them was Fetterman. And Fetterman said, I had a way worse debate than Biden, and I still won. And I think that, to your point, Buck, when you were on Buck Island, I think that if they had just all battened down the hatches and said, that was a bad debate, but he's still better than Trump and tried to go full Fetterman, because, remember, what they said with Fetterman was, oh, yeah, he may not be able to talk. They even came out and said, maybe the United States Senate should have somebody who's disabled. I mean, that's a crazy frigging argument, right, Clay?

[Buck Sexton]

They were attacking people like you and me for mocking somebody with disabilities, as if. If we were picking a track team, we generally wouldn't pick somebody who. And it's no offense to them, has no arms and legs. Like, it's a.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's what they were. Basically, they were arguing, hey, maybe we need a disabled person in the Senate to really represent disabled interests. And, I mean, that's how far they were willing to go. And. And Fetterman stood up. And look, I think Fetterman's wrong on a lot. I think he's been right on Israel. I think you give him some credit.

[Buck Sexton]

He has showed some spine and some courage. And we've said it all along. We don't. We don't play the game of everything somebody says is bad because they're on. Wear the jersey of the other side.

[Unknown Speaker]

I actually give Fetterman credit because when everybody else was jumping off, he raised his hand and said, I've got Joe Biden's back. He had my back when I had an awful debate. I still won. I still think that Biden can win now. I think Biden would have lost. And in the book they lay out, hey, he was struggling in Minnesota, New Mexico, Virginia, New Jersey. States that otherwise should be very comfortably in the Democrat camp historically. And maybe they would have gotten blindsided, the likes of which we hadn't seen since 84. Maybe. I tend to think he wouldn't have been as bad as Kamala. Now, the flip side TO that is 75% of people basically had decided Biden didn't have the mental or physical capacity, and there was nothing he could do to reverse that opinion.

[Buck Sexton]

I just want to point out Clay is now rummaging through the wreckage of Buck island and offering pennies on the dollar for some of the real estate that went under. You know, he sees all of a sudden he's like, you know, it wasn't that crazy of an idea. Maybe this could be.

[Unknown Speaker]

Maybe we can put up a barrier island. Maybe we can put up a, you know, like Venice still still exists. I mean, you know, it's an underwater kingdom. New Orleans, kind of. Done. Okay, I'm telling you guys, my thesis.

[Buck Sexton]

On this, my thesis on this was sound. I overestimated the political intelligence of the Democrats in the moment, which was on. Which is on me. All right, we'll come back into this. We'll take some calls and, and also get into some more of the news of the day. But you know, under the things that you can track category, the number of dollars being spent by central banks in different countries on gold right now is pretty astonishing. It's being purchased at a really high volume and that's causing prices to go up. In fact, gold has appreciated more than 25% in the past six months alone. It's a good value now and will continue to increase in value with all the central bank purchase activity going on. Birch gold makes owning physical gold extremely easy. They can easily convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold or help you buy gold to store in your home safe. I've got gold here in my safe, which is hidden, and I recommend you do the same. But also transferring that old 401k or IRA into a gold IRA makes so much sense. And birch gold makes it so easy for you. Text my name, Buck to 9,898 98. Birchgold will send you a free info kit on Gold A Plus rating with a better business bureau. Tens of thousands of happy customers. Text my Name Buck to 9898 98. Today.

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Clay Travis]

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[J.R. Martinez]

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[Buck Sexton]

This medal is for the man who who went down that day. It's for the families of those who didn't make it.

[J.R. Martinez]

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[Unknown Speaker]

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[Buck Sexton]

What are you going to lead us into next, man? What's the third hour going to start with or get into?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, we've got some more of these comments about Biden and the 5th and Trump is also saying Brennan and the CIA director are in trouble.

[Clay Travis]

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[J.R. Martinez]

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[J.R. Martinez]

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[Buck Sexton]

This is an iHeart podcast.