Hour 2 - Autism and Tylenol

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Hour 2 - Autism and Tylenol
Date: September 25, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This hour of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dives into two main issues:

1. The controversy over gender identity and safety in Virginia public schools, focusing on locker room access and its political repercussions.
2. A detailed interview with Dr. Mehmet Oz about the alarming rise in autism diagnoses, emerging research regarding Tylenol (acetaminophen) and autism risk, and broader concerns about childhood allergies and environmental contributors.

The episode's tone is urgent, opinionated, and concerned, combining political critique with calls for honest, transparent medical discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Virginia’s Gender Policy Controversy (02:35–15:35)

• Background: Politics in Virginia are heating up as the governor’s race approaches, with a focus on Northern Virginia school policies regarding transgender access to bathrooms and locker rooms.
• Reporting Incident:
  • Buck and Clay discuss a recent Arlington, VA, court case where a registered sex offender, identifying as a woman, is accused of exposing himself and engaging in inappropriate behavior in a girls' high school locker room.
    • "This man who pretends that he is a woman is using Arlington bathrooms... He’s publicly masturbating in these bathrooms. And Arlington, Northern Virginia is saying, well, he identifies as a woman, so he should have access to these bathrooms. This is bonkers." – Clay Travis [07:17]
• Political Ramifications:
  • Criticism of Democratic candidate Abigail Spanberger for not addressing these issues directly.
  • The hosts argue Democrat evasiveness stems from fear of activist backlash:
    • "This is not a Democrat fringe position. This is Democrat orthodoxy. They will evade, but they will not condemn." – Buck Sexton [09:02]
  • Praise for outgoing Gov. Glenn Youngkin and support for Republican Winsome Sears as the "rational choice" for voters concerned about these issues.
• Cultural Divide in Virginia:
  • Virginia’s contrast between conservative southwest regions and progressive Northern Virginia is highlighted, reinforcing the sense of cultural and political battle lines.

2. Broader Transgender Policy Problems in Virginia (20:42–23:31)

• New Local News Report:

  • Audio segment reports Fairfax County High School allowed a boy (with facial hair) into a girls’ locker room under their transgender policy; concerns raised by parents met with school inaction.
  • Lawsuit and federal investigation threatened due to conflicting interpretations of Title IX.
  • Hosts denounce these policies:
    • "This is stalker behavior. This is illegal behavior... This is insane." – Clay Travis [22:05]
    • "If that was your daughter ... we would be—I mean, it's just totally unacceptable." – Buck Sexton [23:14]

• Broader Argument:

  • Hosts argue that "tolerance becomes intolerance" when protection of trans rights overrides the safety and comfort of women and girls.
  • They highlight the outspoken roles of figures like J.K. Rowling and Riley Gaines.

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3. Dr. Mehmet Oz on Autism and Tylenol (25:29–40:11)

a. Government Shift Toward Transparency (26:10)

• Dr. Oz describes a Trump administration order to share relevant but preliminary medical research with the public about autism—even if conclusions are not final.

b. Recent Research Findings (26:48–29:25)

• Two Leads Emerging from $50 Million in NIH Grants:
  • Leucovorin (a prescription B vitamin) may benefit some autistic children (~50% in studies) by improving brain vitamin levels.
    • "What would you do for your own kid? ... The answer I got over and over again was yes." – Dr. Oz [28:13]
  • Tylenol/Acetaminophen: Heavy use during pregnancy may correlate with increased autism risk, though it’s still preferred for treating significant pregnant fevers.
    • "If you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe, don’t use the medication willy nilly. Use it thoughtfully." – Dr. Oz [29:16]
  • Emphasis: Not a demand to never use Tylenol, but an appeal for prudence.

c. What Pregnant Women Should Do (29:25–31:11)

• Dr. Oz recommends calm realism, avoidance of unnecessary medication, and minimizing environmental toxins:
  • "Just get out of the way of biology and let it run itself." – Dr. Oz [31:04]
  • Clean water, food, air are wise; alcohol is discouraged; trust in your body’s resilience.

d. Autism Rates—What’s Happening? (31:11–36:48)

• Far higher autism rates now (1 in 31; a fivefold increase over 20–25 years).
  • Not explained by genetics alone or solely by increased diagnosis.
  • Data mirrors dramatic changes in the environment and possibly medical practice.
    • "This is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a change in our environment." – Dr. Oz [33:39]
• Need for broad transparency; holding back data breeds mistrust.

e. Environmental Factors, Allergies, and Older Parents (36:48–39:58)

• Allergy increases (especially peanuts) also implicated in rising chronic health problems, possibly stemming from immune system confusion due to environmental exposures.

• Older parental age recognized as a risk factor, but only one part of a multi-factorial picture.

  • "I suspect there are chemicals they're getting exposed to that are causing this ... They’re the tip of the iceberg." – Dr. Oz [38:29]

f. Concluding the Interview

• Dr. Oz calls for continued research, candor, and avoidance of political interference in medical science.
  • "If you mix politics and medicine, you get politics – you kill medicine." – Dr. Oz [36:30]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Abigail Spanberger…is a Trojan horse for a radical left Democrat party. And this is what they do in purple states..." – Buck Sexton [15:09]
• "At some point, tolerance becomes intolerance because you’re moving from 'I’m going to tolerate all of these trans demands,' and then you become intolerant of women saying, 'No, this is not right.'" – Clay Travis [23:36]
• "We are making choices not only on our own self, but on behalf of our kids that are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously they have skyrocketed..." – Clay Travis [40:11]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:35 – Virginia governor race, Youngkin vs. Spanberger; controversies over transgender school policies.
• 07:17 – Registered sex offender case in Arlington High School highlighted.
• 09:02 – Buck on Democratic Party orthodoxy and transgender issues.
• 13:15 – Glenn Youngkin’s Turning Point USA speech.
• 20:42 – Fairfax County locker room incident, Title IX, and legal/federal scrutiny.
• 25:29 – Dr. Oz interview starts: government approach, new research.
• 28:13 – Leucovorin and brain vitamin discussion.
• 29:16 – Tylenol/acetaminophen caution.
• 31:04 – Pregnancy advice: "get out of biology's way."
• 33:39 – The real root of the autism surge.
• 36:30 – Politics vs. medicine quote.
• 38:29 – Allergies as tip of the immune-system iceberg.
• 40:11 – Clay on how parental lifestyle and choices may contribute to child health trends.

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Flow & Takeaways

The episode moves swiftly from Virginia state politics and cultural clashes to a highly topical and emotive discussion on child health, featuring expert medical analysis. The unifying theme is distrust in mainstream narratives or official silence, whether about gender policies or medical risks. Both hosts and their guest urge for more transparency and courage in challenging prevailing orthodoxies, whether political or medical.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You'll catch up on the latest flashpoints in Virginia politics, gain an understanding of ongoing debates about gender policy in schools, and hear candid, up-to-date medical perspective from Dr. Oz on autism, Tylenol, and the mystery behind rising childhood allergies. The hosts’ and guest’s frank, sometimes provocative style adds urgency and passion to complex issues affecting families nationwide.

Transcript

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[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Right. Right. Thank you for giving me time. Yeah. What the quote comes down to is that the final argument and Spencer Tracy's preaching to the judge. He said, don't you understand fanaticism and ignorance need feeding and offer ever busy. And if you think about what we're dealing with and anybody with an objective mind has got to be able to say who's really preaching to the fanatics here. And the second quote, I know you famous. Another famous. The likelihood of an individual being right increases in direct proportion to the depths his adversaries sink to when they try to prove him wrong. If 2 and 2 is not 4, show me what it is. Don't call me a fascist. And I have not seen anybody be able to logically attack even one of President Trump's policies even in this term or the previous term. And I just hope that the average American taxpayer, people that pay the bills to keep this country running, has the ability to see the forest for the trees. Thank you, guys. Keep it up, man. Great job all the time.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you so much, man.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, well said. All right, Buck, I want to hit you with this going on in Virginia right now. If you remember in 2021, and this is going back in the time machine a little bit, Glenn Youngkin caught fire down the stretch run of his campaign because of all of the craziness coming out of Northern Virginia schools. And if I remember correctly, Terry McAuliffe had a, a, I think he just told the truth. But he said basically schools don't belong to the parents. Do you remember that? It was, I'm paraphrasing him a little bit. But the idea was parents shouldn't be super involved in the schools that they go to. And there was this huge groundswell of support for Glenn Youngkin in his campaign. As people said, this is just wrong and that people were fed up. And Glenn Youngkin swept into office Remember, you cannot run for consecutive terms as governor of Virginia. So it's a little bit of a quirk in the calendar. In addition to the fact that Virginia and New Jersey have their elections one year after presidential elections, off year, so to speak, you can't run for reelection. I think Glenn Youngkin, if he could, would win reelection quite comfortably. I want to give a credit to this guy. Again, Nick Minoc is a local news reporter that has actually been doing shocker news reporting and he has been trying to get Abigail Spanberger, the governor, the would be governor of the Democrat side, the Democrat nominee running to just take a stand on whether men should be able to compete in women's sports. And we played you the Kamala Harris like word salad of Abigail Spanberger's answer to that question recently. They also though it's not just men and women's sports, if you are a man in Northern Virginia and you identify as a woman, you are able to go into women's locker rooms and use them. And this is from Nick Minock, who is a local news reporter at WJLA in the D.C. area in the Northern Virginia area. This is his tweet. Listen to this, Buck, right now, registered sex offender Richard Cox, an interesting name there isn't when you hear what happened is in an Arlington court hearing where women are testifying they saw this man naked in Arlington high school girls locker rooms. Okay? They this guy says he's a woman in court, asked the judge to tell the prosecutor to stop misgendering him. One woman has testified that when she walked into this girl's high school locker room in Arlington, Virginia after swim class, her young daughter saw this man engaging in inappropriate behavior in a shower stall with the curtain open. Well, she, he was masturbating. She said her young daughter was with her. They walked in. This man who pretends that he is a woman is using Arlington bathrooms. And Arlington public schools allow people to use locker rooms and bathrooms based on their gender identity. Buck, this is a registered sex offender, a man. The picture here, I retweeted it. In Northern Virginia, he is going into girls locker rooms. Young kids are coming in. He's publicly masturbating in these bathrooms. And Arlington, Northern Virginia is saying, well, he's a, he identifies as a woman, so he should have access to these bathrooms. This is bonkers. This is what Abigail Spanberger supports, the idea of gender identity being exploited, frankly, like this and young people being taken advantage of.

[Buck Sexton]

I hope that the Republicans in the state of Virginia will raise this and make sure that a Lot of people hear the noise about what's going on around this. It is unconscionable, it is disgraceful, and it is Democrat orthodoxy. They will not condemn this. The way they try to get around this is. Well, it's exactly that. They just won't really speak to it one way or another. They'll use some bromide, they'll use some, some pablum about, well, you know, complicated issue and competing rights. And we want to be, you know, courteous and all this stuff. Remember, we got to this point because Democrats were able to at first just shame people with, why don't you just be nice? Why aren't you just willing to make this accommodation? And now we are where many of us said in the very beginning we would be, which is Democrats saying, look, if the dangerous sex offender man wants to be naked and around your, you know, your, your teenage daughter while she's changing in the. That's the price we have to pay for a society that has transgender rights. Now, I want everyone to be very clear. This is not a Democrat fringe position. This is Democrat orthodoxy. People will refuse to talk about it for their own political reasons. Who are Democrats. They will evade, but they will not condemn. Yes, you absolutely will not get them to condemn this. You will not see it. Because the second a Democrat does that, the activist lunatic, 20% of the country is going to be all over them. And they don't care about any one election. They care about the national, you know, national push to make this stuff mandatory.

[Clay Travis]

So this is listening. If you're listening to us in Virginia right now, I've sent in the cuts on this. You know, in Virginia, Buck, you've spent time there because you had family in the Charlottesville area. Virginia.

[Buck Sexton]

My uncle lives in Charlottesville.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I know Charlottesville is a fascinating state because it, and I've been all over. But if you go to southwest Virginia, it is. You are basically in the reddest area of America, Southwestern Virginia, Northern Virginia. You might as well be in New York City. I mean, in terms of Arlington, Virginia.

[Buck Sexton]

Is a, is an extension of Washington, D.C. in all but name.

[Clay Travis]

And so the cultural clash there is pretty pronounced in a state that is turning purplish. Trump lost Virginia by five points. If you are voting in Virginia right now, you need to understand that they are trying to run and you know this well, Buck, Abigail Spanberger as the most moderate, middle of the road Democrat candidate, they are trying to turn her into Joe Biden in 2020. She is a sheep, a wolf in sheep's clothing. She will get in and she will absolutely run the most left wing policies imaginable in the state of Virginia. So if you like the rational business first, reasoned leadership from Glenn Youngkin in Virginia. There is no connection whatsoever to Abigail Spanberger and Glenn Youngkin. In fact, Winsome Sears, who is running as the lieutenant governor and is running to be the governor, is by far the rational, reasonable choice for middle of the road people out there. And this is, is this the cut that I just sent in? Producer Greg Is this the one that. Okay, they're working on that one. Here is. Last night Glenn Youngkin was at a Turning Point USA event and he is speaking to all the young men there and young women. This is cut 29, Virginia Tech, huge turnout for a Turning Point USA event on their campus in Blacksburg, Virginia. This is cut 29. Who will be the next Charlie? And as I look out in this room and I see thousands of you, I want to repeat the best answer that I have heard. You will be the next Charlie.

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[Clay Travis]

And that is something to take home tonight.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, he's, he's also a very, we, we don't talk about him very much, but he's another highly competent Republican and he's doing a very good job in a purple state as the governor, so.

[Clay Travis]

And a very popular, he's a very popular governor. He would win reelection based on his leadership. So I guess that's the argument I'm trying to make here. Winsome Sears will continue the policies that have been very popular in the state of Virginia implemented by Glenn Youngkin because he is term limited out after only one term from being able to run. Interestingly buck in Virginia, you can run again, but you just have, can't have consecutive terms. Very quirky setup that they have there. And so if you are happy in Virginia with the direction your state has gone in the last four years, you need to be voting for Winsome Sears. And I think much like what we saw happen in the late days of the 2021 campaign when Glenn Youngkin kind of caught fire because the craziness of Northern Virginia, as you mentioned, it's basically Washington D.C. right across the Potomac River. There a lot of people who are rational, reasonable, common sense laden Virginians are looking around and saying, wait a minute, like this is crazy. We got guys showing up in girls bathrooms pretending that they're girls and little girls are walking in and they're exposing themselves. This is, this is, this is, whatever your politics are, this is indefensible.

[Buck Sexton]

And so what they'll do is Just have Alison Spanberger not address this.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. Refusing to answer basic questions about this.

[Buck Sexton]

They'll just keep going. And so then people say, well, she's a moderate.

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[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well, we'll handle this later. Or she's not. No, she. She is not a moderate. She is a Trojan horse for a radical left Democrat party. And this is what they do in purple states. They put people forward so they can say, well, they're not really a Democrat. You know, they're not one of those Democrats. They're a different kind of Democrat. And then when they win, you know what happens? You get AOC policies. You get AOC policies. That's exactly the game that they play over and over again. All right, look.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, you know, I mean, It's Biden. You're 100% right about. Yeah, they did that with Biden. They're trying to do in Virginia.

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[Buck Sexton]

Edu all right, welcome back in we just talked about this before we get to our conversation with Dr. Oz about the big announcement on the health front this week, let's hear from Nick Minock about the report of a man in a girl's locker room in Virginia. Here's that report.

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Play it over the course of the past few weeks, students and parents have reported that a boy watched girls undress multiple times in the girls locker room at Fairfax County's West Springfield High School. That's according to the nonprofit Defense of Freedom Institute, which sent this complaint asking the US Department of Education to investigate Fairfax County Public Schools actions and response and to consider sanctions against the school district. The complaint says a female student changing in the girls locker room at school saw a boy with facial hair standing in the locker room watching her and other girls undress. She says when she complained to a teacher, the teacher said there was nothing she could do about it. Fairfax County Public Schools has said their transgender locker room policies are protected by a 4th Circuit Court of Appeals decision. But this summer, the U.S. department of Education said those policies violate Title 9 and the Department is threatening to withhold federal funds from FCPS if they don't reverse their policies.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, this is crazy that this could even be happening. This should this guy, the boy should be arrested. I mean, I'm Is there anybody out there that disagrees that has a functional brain? The fact that the response to a girl saying a grown, you know, or teenage boy who has a facial hair is hanging out in the girls bathroom in the locker room and just watching girls change? I mean, like this is stalker behavior. This is illegal behavior for I think anybody out there. This is. And the response being, oh, this is the policy that we have in place, there's nothing we can do about it is just insane.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it also brings up what has been a big problem with the argument over trans rights and the trans agenda all along, which is that they say, why can't you just be nice? And then you have to point out, this is very not nice. This is really bad what's going on here. So the desire to be nice, meaning, oh, I want, I want everyone to feel affirmed and I want everyone to feel like, you know, their choices are being respected, leads to this. This is a straight line. It leads to, well, you know, if some guy is going to be changing with the girls, like, that's just the way that it is. We've known this all along and it's not nice. It's mean to these girls. If that was your daughter or that was your wife in that locker room, if it was mine or yours, Clay, we would be. I mean, it's just totally unacceptable. I mean, I would be.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, the guy should get dragged out. The guy should get dragged out, put into handcuffs and he should go to prison and be immediately, you know, charged with all of those, all those offenses. This is not a difficult case. And what I would sum it up by saying, Buck, is at some point tolerance becomes intolerance because you're moving from, okay, I'm going to tolerate all of these trans demands. And then you become intolerant of women saying, no, this is not right. And here's the thing, women have to take back their public spaces and you have to be willing for people to say mean things about you. This is why I think people like J.K. rowling are so incredibly important. Riley Gaines, Jennifer say, who have spoken out aggressively against this as women because the trans community is taking advantage of the natural kindness of women. Men don't stand for this stuff, right? Like in general, there's no man who used to be a woman that's getting named man of the year. It's just we kind of feel sorry for them. Do you have a plan to stay connected with your family or co workers? In the event of a natural disaster, Rapid radios should be a part of your plan. These are modern day walkie talkies. They are a lifeline if power goes out for several days or cell service becomes spotty. Rapid radios work on a nationwide LTE network so you can communicate across the country. Across the country or down the street with a single push of a button ready to go out of the box. Have a 5 day battery charge on them, no monthly fees, free program simplicity. Rapid radios can keep you connected when everything else goes dark. Visit rapidradios.com today you'll save 60%. When you visit the website and you use code radio, you'll get an additional 5% off trusted, tested, legit. Visit rapidradios.com today. That's rapidradios.com use the code radio for an additional 5% off.

[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We're joined now by Dr. Oz. Dr. Mehmet Oz serves as the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary RFK Jr. And President Trump. Dr. Oz, welcome to the show. As always, good to talk to you.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Good to talk as always. It's been an active week. I suspect you want to speak a bit about autism and what might work.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, let's talk about autism and the Tylenol situation here. Doc, what, what is actually, what do we know? What is being recommended? What is actually going on? And let's just stay as tight to the facts as we can on this one because there's a lot of passion around this topic.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

There is a. Take a step back for one second and just make it really clear. There is no political benefit to President Trump talking about this. This is a whole scale departure from what historically has happened with data within government, which have a rotate process. You don't really know what we know. Eventually we figure it all out and tell you the best we can. We saw that that Covid. It backfires when moms think that they're gaslighting, they're being gaslit because they're not getting access to data. So the president charged all of us, Senator Secretary Kennedy leading the process with just breaking all the silos, breaking the barriers. Just do the work and release the information when you have it. This is the first example. There will be future ones. So let's go over the data. $50 million is put into a process to try to research autism. Jay Bhattachary at the NIH has been allocating that money into grants along the way studying what's going on with autism and discovered two signals, two leads that were intriguing enough that after a lot of discussion, we decided to share with the American people. The first had to do with a prescription medication called leucovorin, which no one's ever heard of. But prescription Leucoborn is essentially a way of getting B vitamins into the brains of children. Why is that a problem? We believe that there's a fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in the brains of kids who have autism. That's one of the reasons their brains get cloudy, foggy. They can't really process information. They don't learn to speak right. And so if we can reverse that problem, which is caused by their genes in some cases, that we know of and by antibodies blocking those receptors, those pathways into the brain and others that would make a difference. It turns out with a couple hundred kids in different small studies, about half the kids seem to benefit when given this medication correctly. It's not perfect. We don't know enough about it to make broader promises. But I asked the key question claim Buck, both you just tell me if this resonates with you. I asked the question everyone should ask their doctor, would you do it for your kid? And the answer I got over and over again was yes, we don't know for sure, but because it's so safe and this drug's been around forever, we think it will be worth it. So we released that information. At the same time, there was data that's been around for a couple years, but more and more of it coming out about potential concerns around acetaminophen, which is the raw material in Tylenol. Now, I want to say this as crisply and clearly, sticking to the facts as you asked me to. If you have a high fever, if you've got a bad problem, please talk to your docs. If you're pregnant, make sure that they're involved and take the acetaminophen, which is pretty much the only drug we would use in that setting. And it's the drug that most doctors use, myself included, in that setting, because all the other drugs seem to have bigger problems and having high fevers itself causes a problem. So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However, in cases where there was a lot of use of this drug, there does seem to be a signal concerning enough that we were sharing it, that women subsequently have babies who develop autism. So the message really is if you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe, don't use the medication willy nilly. Use it thoughtfully, recognizing that any medication that's strong enough to help you is strong enough to hurt you.

[Clay Travis]

Dr. Oz, you have kids? Buck has a baby. I've got three. I wanna run through a couple of things because I know we got a lot of moms and with a lot of lot of grandmas out there. And everybody when they get pregnant, by and large is trying to do the best possible things they can for the baby that they are carrying. And there's a couple of things out there that I was going to point out and how complicated and sometimes even to the detriment all of these strictures can be. In America, they say women shouldn't eat sushi. Pregnant women, they say that women should not have Alcohol at all. As I'm sure you're aware, in Japan, women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy. Most no issues In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine. I mean, they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting super drunk. By and large, kids aren't having issues there. Circling back, I read in the New York Times today you may have more accurate data than this, that now I believe it's one in every 31 kids is being classified as autistic. Those numbers are have skyrocketed. Something is going on, right? Either we're identifying autism way more, and maybe that's partly it, maybe we are. Maybe there are multiple different factors out there. You're a doctor though, and I just like to go baseline. What would you tell a woman who just found out she's pregnant right now that is concerned about autism that she should do, in your opinion, to be the absolute healthiest? And obviously one answer is she can talk to her doctor. But if this were your, if this were your daughter and you were about to have a grandbaby, what would you tell her?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

The most important thing you can do when you're pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers. You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are very low because we're so good generally at taking care of crises or complications when they occur. And anxiety itself is a problem during pregnancy. So recognize that you're in pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in an era where we have high quality care. That stated, there are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to avoid trusting that there's one product that's so safe that you can take it whenever you think you might have a small little thing not right is unwise because we just don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy with that miraculous process where these cells are growing at a fast rate, differentiating into organs. Everything's got to work. It's sort of a miracle that it ever works, but it almost always does work because we get out of the way. I say the same thing to my kids is when I've got five grandkids now, one more coming. Just get out of the way of biology and let it run itself. A low grade temperature is a healthy thing, usually because it'll kill the virus that's bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own cells. Don't trust external substances of any kind. I don't think alcohol is a good thing to do when you're pregnant and you shouldn't have to Dr. Alcohol to be able to get through your day. So yes, you know, if you're going to toast someone, that's different but it should not be part of the norm. The cleaner you eat, the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean, Go out of your way. Air purifiers, water purifiers are wise moves. It's a time for you to be so careful because you're the canary in the coal mine. Anything that's not right in society, in the world around us would have a increased detrimental effect on you and your fetus. And let me take one step back up because you mentioned a stat 1 in 31 kids that have autism. Just to put this in perspective, that is five times more than it was in 20, 25 years ago, five times more. So it's not genetics. And I don't buy the canard that this is all about measurement because I, I just turned 65, I'm running the agency that I'm a member of now, Medicare. Right. There aren't any people my age that I know of who have autism. Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy is, reminds all of us that he in his whole life never met anyone his age who has autism. I'm sure they're out there, but they're not very common. Whereas you go to school today, you take your kids to school, you talk to the other parents. Many of those parents have kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So the President's passion about this comes from a realization this is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a change in our environment. He is undaunted. He will find it and pursue it. And these are two clues of how to deal with it.

[Buck Sexton]

Dr. Oz, I wanted to follow up on this. Is it your. And now I'm asking more for your analysis and maybe even a bit of your gut instinct on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having access to the data on these things at a very high level. On the policy side, when you're talking about that we just established that really deeply troubling rise of autism, do you think it is most likely to be a multi factor problem that has caused the increase, as in several things together or just several things in general, or do you think that it might be a really one primary culprit that will be found? It's just a question of whittling down the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us to what's really at the heart of this, of this crisis.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I believe it's multifactorial, but they may Work through common mechanisms. For example, I brought up the reality that folate levels are low in the brain. Folate comes from foliage, leafy greens. So this vitamin B9 is a critical element in brain development. It's possible that several of the things we're worried about all work to inhibit the ability of the fragile child's brain to take up enough of this critical ingredient so their brain forms. Normally, it could happen because antibodies are made because the kid's allergic to everything from a food that they're being given to a substance in their body to a toxin in their environment, you know, mold and chemicals, all kinds of things. We don't know how they work in the body, but they probably work through several common pathways. What I do have confidence in, since I've been looking at this together with the rest of the team and Jay Bhattashariat, Marty Makary, who head of the NIH and fda. We're all laser focused on this, in part because the Secretary insists it and the President demands it, that we are seeing signals of lots of things. We didn't want to talk about all of them, but we're seeing things that all could be concerning. We just want to sort of whittle it down and get to the ones that are legitimate, the things we might be able to do differently in our lives. But certainly you want to start with being transparent with the American people, because trust is built brick by brick by a shining light on all the things you know. If I know things you don't know, there's no reason why you would trust me to do more better with it than you would. And this is why I think parents in particular, who love their kids more than anybody, should be armed with the best data the government has, as we get it. And of course, yes, it scares people. It alarms people. They don't. Not everyone wants to hear it, not everyone agrees. Ideologically, I get all that stuff. But if you mix politics and medicine, you know what, you get politics, you kill medicine. And so the last thing we want to do is hold back because there's a political rationale, which is, again, if you're a political person who's passionate about people, you tell them what you know. That's what a doctor does.

[Clay Travis]

We're talking to Dr. Oz. You just hit on something. This will be the last question, because I know you're busy and we've got to hit a break, but the autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed, not just historically, but in the 21st century in particular. It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a lot of parents out there. You mentioned Dr. Oz, that you rarely see, and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people your age who have autism allergies. When I was a kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that they don't even give out peanuts on airplanes anymore. They've had to stop doing that. Is it possible that we're seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting things on a variety of different levels? Do you think there might be any connection between autism and allergies and just the way that the body chemistry is changing, and Buck and I have talked about this. This is a big question, too. Is it partly, maybe connected also to the idea of older parents?

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Dads and moms, frankly, are having babies way later in the 21st century than they did for basically the entirety of human existence.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Clay, such an excellent question. All the things you identify because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me, the MAHA movement is not being curious. And 80% of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that we have got to be brave enough to answer and share if we're courageous with people around us. But you got to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes, that's a risk factor. We've known that. But it's hard to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again, you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they don't always want to hear. But you at least will respect us for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think, is a bigger problem. There's a reason why so many kids are allergic. You're right. Peanut allergies, unheard of when I was a kid. We have an epidemic of all types of allergies, which, again, is reflective of the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of the child who's just trying to figure out what the world is about and differentiate what's friendly and what's faux. Their immune system is confused. I suspect there are chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this. We are actively, of course, searching. There's many allegations. We don't know the answer. It's easy to blame folks. We don't have the luxury of bickering when you're increasing by five fold the incidence of a tragic condition that could be. Obviously, these Kids are lovable, should be loved, will be taken care of. As a society, we're judged by how we take care of our most vulnerable. So we'll always take care of kids on the autism spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier not to have to fight that battle when you're going through life. And these kids deserve better. We have got to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergies, I think is one of the biggest clues, because they're the tip of the iceberg. You figure that out, that's the leading edge. Behind that are a whole bunch of other conditions. Celiac disease, bowel problems, of course, all kinds of pathologies like autism spectrum, adhd. You can go down the laundry list of issues that plague our youth, and many of them come back to an immune system that can't function correctly. It's a fragile system. It's being maligned. We've got to figure out what's doing it.

[Clay Travis]

Dr. Oz, we appreciate the time. Thank you so much for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just let us know when you think it makes sense. And good work and good luck trying to figure all this out.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

God bless you both. Take care.

[Clay Travis]

That's Dr. Oz. Much less serious. Although, Buck, I do think, and we'll talk about this some more during the course of the program. This is something that motivates a huge majority, I think, of our listeners out there. There's a sense that we are making choices not only on our own self, but on behalf of our kids that are actually creating worse outcomes. And I think that allergy and autistic thing, whatever you think, obviously they have skyrocketed and we'll talk about some of that. Why is that happening? In the meantime, I want to tell you about our friends that are over in Israel that are fighting so many difficult battles every single day. It's been another very trying week in Israel. Renewed drone attacks on innocent civilians. The attacks don't get the headlines they once did, but a lot's happened since October 7th. Hostages still being held. And we've got a movement of support for the people of Israel coming. It's called Flags of Fellowship. It's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On Sunday, October 5, millions of people across America will plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity with the victims of the terror attack of October 7, when 1200 innocent Israelis were killed. You can be a part of the movement, too. To get more information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship, visit the fellowship [e-mail] that's ifcj.org you ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim yourself sanity with clay and bun. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Clay Travis]

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