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Play and Buck kicks off now this fantastic program that you're listening to. Some even say, fabulous. Some people are saying, thank you for being here with us. We have this story in the New York Times, which means that there's something going on here. Why now? Why is it that all of a sudden you have the New York Times writing that, you know.
They really messed up on that immigration thing under Biden's administration. They. They really. And the explanation is essentially that it was.
A mistake, right? The explanation is that Biden's immigration policy fell victim to other priorities, like Covid and the economy. Here is this story how Biden ignored warnings and lost Americans faith in immigration. The Democratic president and his top advisers rejected recommendations that could have eased the border crisis and help return Donald Trump to the White House. There's a lot going on in this piece, and there's a re there. I want to also get into not only how they're trying to message this thing, but, Clay, also how it is.
Clay Travis
Or what it is that they're trying.
Buck Sexton
To accomplish with this, because they're already thinking forward to 2026, the midterms. And remember, in their minds, if they can just get the House, it effectively pumps the brakes on the Trump agenda. And then we just get into a presidential election cycle and everything, you know, everything changes at some level in. In their minds, politically, if they can just pull that off. So they. They view the stakes as very high. The stakes are very high, and they're willing to do absolutely anything to try to get Democrats back in control. And even if that means throwing some Democrats under the bus. Clay, you go through this. Part of this is, I just want us to take a victory lap. We've always, Immigration, border crime. Immigration, border crime. We've been talking about this for the whole time we've been doing the show, and specifically on immigration. We told you it was going to be a huge issue in this last election, which it was.
I remember that was one of the lead things. Clay. I was talking on the Bill Maher show right before the election, and even Bill Maher looked at me, he's like, they completely screwed up the immigration thing. He didn't use that word. He used a different word. But he said they completely messed that up as badly as it could be messed up. But what you have to remember here, and they go through all of this, they talk about how, oh, they were distracted and, no, this was known the whole time. They decided to continue to let this happen. People who understood the system. Clay told Biden, hey, this is going to get really Bad and really out of control. Just so you know. I mean, they say chaos, then paralysis, year one. That's what they talk about.
And the Biden response was to put Kamala Harris in charge as the border czar, which if you wanted something to be completely ineffective, putting Kamala in charge, probably a good idea. So, you know, in that sense, it worked exactly as intended. They talked about changing the root causes. People even forget this. They go through this in the article that Kamala was supposed to address the root causes of migration in Central America. Oh, I don't know. Because Central American countries are poor, dysfunctional, and corrupt and not very nice places to live, with some exceptions. And America is the greatest country in the history of the world. So how exactly are you going to convince people that if they can come here, they'd rather stay in Honduras? That was idiotic. And I think, Clay, really what this comes down to is that they want to change the narrative. It's so bad for them on illegal immigration that Democrats in 2026 want to go back to, we believe in a secure border, too. Biden made mistakes. They don't want people to realize. No, that's Exactly. They wanted 10 million plus illegals to flood the country because now they're going to be part of the congressional apportionment, part of the. They're going to have kids here. They're going to raise their kids to hopefully vote Democrat, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, Nash, I mean, not nationalize, naturalize and amnesty, everybody, over time.
Clay Travis
Yeah. And this is why the Supreme Court decision on birthright citizenship is so important. I always go to what causes this to occur. And the answer is two things there, if you want to know. Kamala Harris, the root cause. Yes, our country is way better than the other country. That's the root cause. But the root cause of why it's better is one, the jobs pay better. You can make way more money if you come to the United States than you can in almost any other country in the world. And I always like this analogy because I think it brings it home. If the United States was a crappy country and if you could make 10x your money in Canada, tons of Americans would be trying to cross into Canada to get jobs there. So one is, we have built the best economy that's ever existed in the history of the world. That is the United States has. And it acts as a magnet to draw people all over the world, which is why you actually need to restrict the number of people who are able to come into the country. Right, that's 1.
Buck Sexton
2.
Clay Travis
In addition to creating the best economy in the history of the world, we have also, I think, wedded it with a disastrous policy decision, which is birthright by soil citizenship. So if you come to the United States, even if you come here illegally and you have a child in the United States, that child becomes a citizen that should not exist and we should do away with it. And people out there really don't dive into the root cause of why that occurred. It was because of the colonization. And because in the olden days, if you were in Great Britain and you were trying to convince someone, hey, go to these 13American colonies, move your family there, you had to let people know, but your kids can always come back to England. The same thing happened all over the New World because people were concerned that you couldn't go back to Spain or you couldn't go back to England, or you couldn't go back to Portugal or whatever country out there was driving the exploration of the New World. And so that's the reason this exists, Buck. And so this is, I think, of all of the decisions that the Supreme Court is going to issue, the one that I think could have the most long lasting and transformative impact would be if they did say, you know what, there is no constitutional right to birthright citizenship. Now, they would have to make it going forward. Because I think the challenges of making it retroactive, I mean, you got it. But going forward, you would at least eliminate the idea that Chinese people are going to hop on a plane when they're eight months pregnant, come to the United States, have a baby, and that baby has dual Chinese and American citizenship. They're gaming the system in a way that historically you couldn't. Nobody could time a pregnancy and come to the United States to have birthright by soil citizenship as the result.
Buck Sexton
Well, also, it's illegal to do that. So that the hotels, the birth tourism hotels, for example, in California, where this is common with Asian visitors.
Clay Travis
Yep. They.
Buck Sexton
They get in trouble, they get prosecuted for this. And yet usually you can't profit from crime. But clearly the offspring of the people who are doing this are very. And therefore. And the family too, they are very much profiting from it. Remember, having the, having the anchor here then means that you can sponsor what they call family reunification. Most of our immigration system, you're being lied to about all of this all the time. Okay? You have to remember this. You're being lied to. We are not taking the best and the brightest. We are not taking people based on skills. It is a Giant scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the third world. So as long as you are from a poor, predominantly non white country somewhere else in the world, you've got a good shot at coming into America. If you know how the game is played. You know, if you're a, you know, a neurosurgeon from Sweden, we don't need you, you know, like no interest. But if you're coming here from one of the poorest countries, war torn country, whatever, or even just a place that's totally dysfunctional, we want you. That sounds great. That's the way the system has been running. Mostly it's people who are getting through the lottery system. Think about that. We have a lottery. Why are we giving away American ness like we give away a pot roast? Whose idea was this? We have a lottery system and then we also have reunification. Oh. So if you get here through any of these mechanisms, then you have chain migration and you can sponsor other people in your family to come here and so on and so forth. The whole system has gotten turned upside down. It'll Last well since 1965, the Immigration and Naturalization Act. So it's going on. I can't do the math, you know, 60 years and. No, it is 60 years. Yeah, that's right. So, Clay, it's time that we have a total top down look not only at illegal immigration, but at legal immigration in this country and start to do what we've been told is being done, but has been a lie all along, which is actually have this be for immigration, first of all, a lot less. We need some assimilation in this country. We need some America time for all of us. Everybody's here is American. We get to spend a little more time together, figure out some things. What you see in the, in the Somali community, which we'll talk about more, with the Somali American community being part of this huge fraud ongoing. Many people, lots of folks involved there. This is not a well assimilated community yet. Ok. We need some time to assimilate the people who are already here. And Americanness needs to be something that we all agree on and is spreading more freely, shall we say? So this is where the whole Biden thing, though, it's just so galling. Everything that we said all along was true.
Clay Travis
Yes.
Buck Sexton
Everything that we said on the show about immigration for years and people, oh, it's terrible. And the border's not open.
Clay Travis
The border was absolutely open. It was wide open. It was wide open. It was intentional. And here is the diabolical aspect of all of this. They knew that they were making a generational decision. I don't know that Joe Biden really understood it, because I think Biden was so out to lunch, he didn't understand anything that was going on. But the Biden puppeteers recognized that they were bringing in in 20 million right now. 20 million illegals, who they are gambling will at some point become citizens and end up benefiting them. Now, I think one of the parts of this political calculus that nobody really dove into, Buck, was Trump won Hispanic men, and he narrowly lost Hispanic women in the 2024 election. These are legal Hispanic voters. And obviously the Hispanic vote is, you know, living in Miami. There's a big difference between somebody who's from Venezuela and Honduras or, you know, like, you don't want to.
Buck Sexton
You don't want to get that one wrong. Let me tell you. They.
Clay Travis
They.
Buck Sexton
They do not. They do not like when people assume that Hispanics are like this monolith and everyone's the same. No, no, no, no, no, Clay. Beyond that, I just. You reminded me of something. The piece is really important. The Democrats, and they're always trying to massage this, like, oh, no, it was a mistake. They weren't focused on it. But also, they admit. They say, they totally. The Democrat and I mean the very top, like the Biden White House, the claims and the other people that, you know, they're thrown under the bus now, they all thought that Hispanics would be with them on this.
Clay Travis
Yes.
Buck Sexton
What they didn't realize is that US Citizens of Hispanic origin or ancestry were like, what are you doing giving this away to everybody who arrived five minutes ago who speaks no English? They didn't understand the dynamic. They didn't understand that Cuban Americans were like, you know, I'm second, third generation. We fled Castro. We came here legally. And you're going to treat someone who shows up from, you know, Myanmar or Burma or whatever, you know, as. As they're. They're as American as apple pie. Even if they just ran across the border illegally, Hispanic community did not actually go for that.
Clay Travis
Yeah. And again, I think one of the biggest challenges we have here is the lack of. You could talk about the. You should. If you're moving to America, number one rule should be you believe America is the greatest country in the history of the world, and you want to ensure that we preserve what made America the greatest country in the history of the world. And a knowledge of Western civilization is integral there. And an embrace of basic values of Western civilization that doesn't exist. That doesn't exist with many of These new immigrants, which for people out there who say, well, what about when people were coming from Italy or flooding the country from Ireland or all over Europe back in the day, those people overwhelmingly were raised in a Western civilizational background that acknowledges basic human rights, among other things, and the immense benefits to society of the concepts of Western civilization.
Buck Sexton
I remember I went, I went a long time ago to the Tenement Museum in New York City. I mean, over, over a decade ago. But it's, it's a very, it's a kind of harrowing experience in some ways because you're in all these small rooms in these buildings. It's the same building that these immigrants would have come to. And this is clay in the era of Ellis island and everything else, you would have a family of eight living in what is essentially one room. You had no welfare services, no, no check, no free rent, no free food, nothing. There would be outbreaks of typhus and they would have, they would just be stacking dead bodies out on the street with no one even coming to claim them in a timely fashion because these immigrants had no money, they had nothing. This is true of the Irish, the Chinese that were showing up in the Italians, the Jewish who were showing up in New York City. And people want to compare that to like now you get, you know, free plane tickets or wherever you show up. There's immigrant services, you're getting an EBT card, basically you're getting a prepaid cash card. You go into any emergency room, you get absolutely world class medical care. You're not going to pay a dollar. I mean, you go on the list. We're the world's welfare state, we can't do this. Everybody, we can't afford it.
Clay Travis
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Travis Buck Sexton show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Do you want to dive in? Buck to the Marjorie Taylor Greene decision that is out there. 60 minutes.
I'm kind of intrigued by what's going on there. Trump teed off on her.
Buck Sexton
You're just, I try, you know, I just, we, there's so many food fights going on on the right these days. I just want us, I kind of want us to be a food fight free zone here. But if you want to talk about this one, because when it involves Trump, it's different. He's the president. But in general, people like, why aren't you weighing in on this person and that person? It's like because we're trying to talk about the world and what matters to all of you not, you know, I think the food fight is the best analogy for this.
Clay Travis
I do think it is interesting in this context. Marjorie Taylor Greene and all of you could probably see this. We had her on the show several times. So I'm not trying to denigrate her in any way, but they labeled her as a kook that you basically couldn't even pay attention to. She was a QAnon moron was the way that they labeled her in legacy media as soon as she started to criticize Trump. Now she gets a 60 Minutes profile. It really is indicative, I think, of how this is playing out and being treated in general. But if you are starting to feel a little bit like you don't have the energy that you used to to. It's holiday season. A lot of different Christmas parties out there. New Year's Eve is not that far away. Friends, family obligations. It is oftentimes a completely packed calendar for everyone. Is that the situation with you guys in your families as well? If so, you need to make sure that you are able to, to get as much energy in your Life as possible. Chalk is all natural and can increase your testosterone levels by 20% in as little as three months time. Why not make it a resolution to try out chalk? Choq.com is the website. My name Clay for the great subscription discount for Life, the best subscription discount available. Check it out. Choq.com all right.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we talked about this a moment ago, so I think we should get.
Clay Travis
Into a little bit.
Buck Sexton
Clay, I'll lay this out as I see it and you will, you know, I will put the brush and the paints out there and you will create on the canvas what you see fit with this. Ok. We had Marjorie Taylor Greene play the artiste. We know what kind of wine he's drinking with that beret. You know what I'm saying? The rose man. I can't let that, you know, the rose thing. We got to keep rolling with this one. You know what I'm saying? It's the holidays.
Clay Travis
Will there be rose at the holiday party next this week?
Buck Sexton
Clay, you think I would have you at a holiday party and there wouldn't be? There's rose in your honor. It's we're going to call it Clay's Rose, actually. Yes. It's going to be like a special beverage. Marjorie Taylor Greene went on 60 Minutes and Look, she was one of the people I think in the House who was most associated with MAGA for a period of time or certainly in the very pro Trump side of things. We've had her on this show. She was always very pro Trump when she was. Something has changed. And she went on CBS on 60 Minutes. And we'll let you hear some of this. This is cut 24. This is from her interview and the sorts of things she was saying. Play it. He called you a lunatic. I'm quoting. He said all she does is complain, complain, complain and caps.
Marjorie Taylor Greene
And then he called you a traitor.
Buck Sexton
So he hit your whacked you.
Marjorie Taylor Greene
Yes. He did this in the same time span where President Trump brought in the al Qaeda leader that was wanted by the US Government who is now the president of Syria. Then within a week, he brought in the crown prince MBS who murdered an American journalist. And then he brought in the newly elected democrat socialist mayor of New York. That was the time span that he called me a traitor.
Buck Sexton
She's glade. She's taking some shots here. What do you make of it?
Clay Travis
Look, I she can say whatever she wants and she can take shots at whoever she wants and she can make whatever argument she feels compelled to make. What I find to be the most intriguing here is I said earlier, I think Paramount is the better option to buy Warner Brothers. But President Trump has teed off on this, and I think he's got a valid perspective. He said, look, they told him that 60 Minutes was going to be better and more rational in the way that they covered the news. And then they don't basically give Marjorie Taylor Greene any kind of platform, to my knowledge, on a regular basis on 60 Minutes, until she suddenly starts ripping Trump and then she shows up on the View and she shows up on 60 Minutes. And what Trump did in his criticism was he pointed out something that is still very significant. And, in fact, maybe we should pull this, because I do think the audio of that, as well as the video is still apropos and illustrative of how far left wing CBS News had become. Maybe the, the, the most embarrassing thing in Leslie Stahl's career is when she tried to lecture Trump on the fact that they couldn't cover the Hunter Biden laptop because it was Russian disinformation. And Trump said, no, you can totally cover it. You know, it's, it's not difficult to figure out that this is not, in fact, Russian disinformation. And he's saying in his statement that there has never actually been any sort of apology from Leslie Stahl. And apology may be the wrong word, but just an acknowledgment that you were wrong about everything. If you're, if you, if you are a journalist, you effectively trade your entire basis in this era in which we live is, can I trust you? Not that you're going to get everything right, because the world is complicated and stories are complex, and sometimes you might think that X is true and then Y ends up being true. But do you come on and address honestly your audience and say, hey, we blew it on that one? Wouldn't 60 Minutes say, yeah, we totally blew it on the Hunter Biden thing? And again, apology may be the wrong word, but if I was Leslie Stahl, and I think your argument puck is going to be, well, she's doing what her job is to do, which is just to be media propaganda, so she has no shame associated with it.
Buck Sexton
He hangs out with me enough that he does know my argument is going to be that is true.
Clay Travis
But maybe I'm weird in this way. When I'm completely wrong on something, and sometimes I am, I feel like I should sit down and say, hey, I thought that X was going to happen. It turned out that Y happened and I got it wrong. And look, I'm not going to be perfect in predicting or analyzing everything. All I'm telling you is I'm trying to do my best. I wonder how this story ends up happening. Like how is it that 60 Minutes, which now has new ownership, decides that Marjorie Taylor Greene, solely based on her feud with Trump, is now worthy of a viewership? And let me also point this out. 60 Minutes always brags, you probably see it tubac about how many people watch their news show and how influential they are. It's because you're on after the NFL. They could put me doing cartwheels in my pool on 60 Minutes as the entire hour long special pool handstands with Clay and 25 million people would watch it because everybody was just watching the NFL right before. And so enough people stay that the shoulder programming of, of the NFL lifts, the rising tide, lifts all boats. But this used to go back to. Do you know what the most desired programming opportunity is? If you told me right now, Clay, you can pick any time to be on television at any point in the year. Do you know what the number one time slot is? Right after the Super Bowl. So as soon as the super bowl is over, whatever they put on and once the post game show is over and everything else gets like 50 million viewers, because people are still at their super bowl parties, they're still drinking, they're still hanging out, there's lots of frivolity and they happen to leave their televisions on. You know, sometimes we benefit from this. When I did sports talk radio, we had dominant ratings in la. And many of you listening to us right now, you found me in la. Do you know what we benefited from back in the day, why that partly occurred? Dodger games were aired on my LA sports talk radio affiliate. So a lot of people would be in their car, driving around, they would be going to bed listening to the Dodgers. And when they woke up the next morning, they would still be on the station. And they're like, oh, here's this guy, Clay Travis. I kind of like him. So everybody can benefit in media based on the lead program. I hope Sean Hannity is benefiting from us. We benefit from Glenn Beck in this network. Jesse Kelly benefits from Sean Hannity. Like it's a rising tide that lifts all boats. But the fact that 60 Minutes is as cocky as they are and that they would make the decision to do this story, I think is illustrative. That there are still a lot of people deeply embedded inside of 60 Minutes that hate Trump and are going to try to do whatever they can to attack him. And I think Trump sees it. And, and again, I think this is underlining the decision that's going to be, have to be made about who ends up owning all of these assets from Warner Brothers.
There we go, all tied together.
Buck Sexton
What happened to Marjorie Taylor Green Clay, you wanted to talk about it? What's going on?
Clay Travis
I don't know. I, I mean, psych. No, I mean, I, I do think the, the fact that they gave her a platform is a bigger story than what she individually has ended up focused on. I think that this is my, this is my deep seated psychological analysis. See if you buy into this book. When Joe Biden was in office, there was an existential threat to the country. The borders are wide open. Inflation goes to 9%. Biden is talking about packing the Supreme Court, war in Ukraine, war in Israel, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. It was all so bad that a lot of people came together. And Trump's election eliminated that existential fear of Biden and his government running. And instead of saying, hey, okay, let's all pull together, I think when that existential enemy is eliminated, everybody decided that they were going to start fighting over differences of opinion inside the big tent. And so the result of Trump's victory was the existential threat of the Biden administration is diminished. And so many different people in media, with that existential threat, that great evil eliminated, decided to turn on each other. And I'm big and you're big on this. In general, I don't presume that I'm going to agree with everybody inside of what I would call the tent of sanity. We're going to have all sorts of disagreements. But the tent of insanity is so insane. I don't feel an obligation to have purity tests or fight inside of my own tent when there's people out there telling me, hey, the best male athlete, the best female athletes are men. Like, I want to keep the focus on sane versus insane, not internal disputes over, well, how should we handle Israel? Well, what do you think we should do about Ukraine? Small things have, I think, distracted a lot of people and they're missing the bigger enemy.
Buck Sexton
Well, maybe smaller. I mean, sometimes it's small differences. I mean, obviously on the Ukraine war and on Israel, those can be, depending on the specifics of the subject matter, very important topics. But, yeah, I, I don't, I don't have a perspective, I don't have a viewpoint on these things that leads me to want to get into the mud wrestling. So I stay out.
Clay Travis
But I like the mud wrestling. I Just want to mud wrestle with the people that actually have awful ideas who have subtle variations different than me.
Buck Sexton
Yeah, well, I don't want to mud wrestle on our team. Sorry, the mud wrestling thing. This is sounding kind of weird. I don't want to get into the. Into the muck of things with people who I agree with on 90% or 95% of things. So my view of the Marjorie Taylor Greene Trump thing is, what are you doing, Marjorie? You know, what's going on? What's going on here? I don't understand. And she's not surprised. I would assume that Trump takes the view that he does. If you take a swing at Trump, he just tends to go thermonuclear in response. That's just verbally, but that's just the way that it is. That's the way that he always has been. So I don't see any of this as really that surprising. But you wanted to talk about it. We talked about it.
Clay Travis
There you go. Do you agree with me that if you. If Kamala had won, I think there's a zero percent chance that by and large, fighting on the right would have happened because Kamala would have been such a disaster. There would have been a unity of opposition.
Buck Sexton
I've been saying this all along. A lot of the right on right stuff you see happening right now where people are going after other people who are conservative or who are on the right. And, you know, a lot of it has to do with support for Israel stuff or whatever it may be, or people on the. On. There's some conspiracy stuff out there, too, but that would not be happening if we had a Democrat in office right now. Part of what you see going on, Clay, is we are actually getting the right is so it's so new to us to have wins stacked up on wins by an administration that I think people feel they have the time and the luxury to eat their own a little bit, and that's what's happening. You wouldn't normally have this kind of stuff. We will all, trust me, every. Everything Right now, a lot of the. A lot of people probably aren't even aware of it.
Clay Travis
You have to be very online.
Buck Sexton
You have to be very online, meaning, you know, involved in the digital space. So if you're a talk radio listener, you're probably thinking, what are these guys even talking about? Because there's not very much of it. Certainly, we don't do it. You know, the big talk radio shows aren't really getting into this stuff. They're focused on our show. Sean's show, Glenn's show. It's a, it's a online thing, an x, you know, YouTube rumble. That's where you have people that are, that are going after each other. So we try to, we try to stay out of it and stay focused on defeating the communists. That's where I am on it. Also want to make sure we defeat any threats to you and your safety in home at home and home robberies, home invasions, really serious stuff, scary stuff that can happen anytime. And this is why I want you to check out Sabre self defense products. Now these are non lethal, but these are very effective self defense tools for you, for your home, for your family. Saber's been in business 50 years, family owned and operated. These are non lethal but helpful when you need to call upon them. These projectile devices, for example, that they have pepper gel, well, they have pepper gel, but they also have the pepper launchers which are very effective and you've got to go just check out the website. All the different non lethal self defense tools that they have, self protection tools, go to saberradio.com pepper sprays, pepper gels, projectile launchers, all proudly made right here in the usa. I've got them here at home. Clay's got them. Carrie, Lara, they like having non lethal self defense tools and that's what Sabre provides. Act now to protect yourself and your family. Say 15% on Sabre's mega bundle with extra projectiles magazine and practice targets. Go to saberradio.com that's S A B R E radio.com or call 844-824-safe-844-824 safe.
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Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program here and there are a lot of different stories that we have been tracking so far. I did want to mention this presidential power case. I actually think it's flying under the radar a little bit given the fact that there's a lot of different stories to follow. This is huge, Buck. And basically what it's going to be determined is, and this will be for presidents long into the future because everybody says, oh my goodness, President of the United States, this is the Supreme Court bending to his will. Trump's got three more years. The odds of even there being that many Supreme Court cases that come up for Trump in front of the Supreme Court in the next two years are increasingly less substantial because it takes so long to get cases Supreme Court to decide them. All these things. Okay, the President in my Opinion has to be able to fire all of these people that are being propped up inside of the governmental bureaucracy. And if we have true separation of powers, what we have effectively allowed is these agencies to sweep in between Congress and the President and take up so much power that whether you like Trump or don't like Trump, what is the purpose of an executive and how is the executive authority circumscribed to what extent at all? By the rise of these agencies and the ability to hire fire. It's a huge story and it's going to exist long after Trump is gone. Are we going to have a president who controls all these aspects of his presidency, or are we going to have unelected bureaucrats that are allowed to serve for generations that don't have to be at the beck and call of the President of the United States?
Buck Sexton
Think about what happened even during the government shutdown. There were people who were fired from, I know, from within the intelligence agencies who were told, thank you, but your services are no longer needed. And then a judge came in, a federal judge, and said, yes, you have to rehire these people. Yes, they were terminated and now they have to. Could you. Who by the. Can you imagine that job? Hey, Bill, turns out we kind of need you. Hey, John, could you actually show up and bring your stuff with you? Crazy.
Clay Travis
Not only that, when we had the government shutdown, everybody eventually ended up getting paid. A lot of people focused as we should, on air traffic controllers. There's also a huge discussion, I think that could be had about how many of those guys and gals didn't have jobs. And it didn't even, even matter that they weren't there for a month and a change because there was no impact to them being gone. I'm willing to die on the Hill of we could fire 75% of federal employees and the overall effectiveness of government wouldn't budge at all. I mean, heck, I think you can see even inside of a for profit business. Elon came in and fired. What was it like 70% of all the Twitter employees and the overall success of Twitter? Twitter didn't change at all. In fact, arguably it got better. We come back, top of the next hour, we'll dive into that Supreme Court case. And Australia banned 16 and unders on social media. What do y' all think about that?
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Date: December 8, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into the political, cultural, and policy earthquakes surrounding President Biden's handling of the southern U.S. border and the broader immigration crisis. The hosts dissect a revealing New York Times piece that admits serious failures by the Biden administration on immigration and discuss the strategic, demographic, and electoral ramifications. They also touch on intra-Republican battles, media bias, and major Supreme Court questions about presidential power. As always, Clay and Buck combine pointed analysis with a conversational, irreverent tone.
Timestamps: 02:38 – 07:00
Buck opens with the New York Times' unexpected acknowledgement of Biden’s failures at the border.
The article suggests the Biden administration prioritized COVID and the economy over immigration, ignoring warnings about a coming crisis.
Buck is critical: “They decided to continue to let this happen… People who understood the system told Biden, ‘Hey, this is going to get really bad and really out of control.’” (Buck Sexton, 05:09)
The hosts argue the emerging narrative is Democrats setting up a midterm strategy: admit to mistakes, suggest they’ve ‘learned,’ and try to reclaim the House.
“In their minds, if they can just get the House, it effectively pumps the brakes on the Trump agenda.” (Buck Sexton, 04:06)
Timestamps: 07:00 – 10:03
Clay challenges the administration’s rhetoric, mocking Kamala Harris’ “root causes” initiative:
Core reason: The U.S. economy is a “magnet,” drawing people from nations with less opportunity.
Birthright citizenship is a policy Clay targets as disastrous:
Historical context: Birthright citizenship was originally designed to encourage colonial settlement, not to facilitate modern “birth tourism.”
Timestamps: 10:03 – 12:59
Timestamps: 12:59 – 15:18
Timestamps: 15:18 – 17:34
Timestamps: 21:50 – 35:25
The hosts pivot to recent tension between Marjorie Taylor Greene and Donald Trump.
Discussion centers on how the mainstream media (e.g., 60 Minutes) spotlight Republicans when they criticize Trump but otherwise ignore or “cancel” them.
Buck and Clay reflect on “food fights” within the right, arguing such battles intensify when Democrats are out of power.
Clay frames these internal disputes as distractions from battling the real opposition (“keep the focus on sane versus insane”).
Timestamps: 41:07 – 44:36
| Timestamp | Quote | Attribution | |-----------|-------|-------------| | 05:09 | “People who understood the system… told Biden, ‘Hey, this is going to get really bad and really out of control.’” | Buck Sexton | | 07:25 | “Our country is way better than the other country. That’s the root cause.” | Clay Travis | | 08:21 | “If you come here illegally and have a child… that child becomes a citizen. That should not exist.” | Clay Travis | | 11:10 | “It is a Giant scam and essentially one huge welfare operation for the third world.” | Buck Sexton | | 13:34 | “The Biden puppeteers recognized that they were bringing in 20 million illegals, who they are gambling will at some point become citizens…” | Clay Travis | | 14:44 | “They didn’t understand that Cuban Americans were like… We came here legally.” | Buck Sexton | | 16:19 | “We’re the world’s welfare state, we can’t do this.” | Buck Sexton | | 22:33 | “They labeled her as a kook… as soon as she started to criticize Trump, now she gets a 60 Minutes profile.” | Clay Travis | | 35:37 | “The right is so… new to us to have wins stacked up… that people feel they have the time and the luxury to eat their own a little bit, and that’s what’s happening.” | Buck Sexton | | 43:09 | “Are we going to have a president who controls all these aspects of his presidency, or are we going to have unelected bureaucrats that are allowed to serve for generations?” | Clay Travis |
Fast-paced, irreverent, and unapologetically opinionated, Clay and Buck use a mix of historical context, modern analogies, and “inside media” knowledge. The tone is direct and at times combative, particularly toward “legacy media,” Democrat narratives, and bureaucratic government.
In summary:
Clay and Buck argue that Democrats knowingly engineered a border crisis for political gain, that America’s legal and welfare systems incentivize unsustainable levels of migration, and that the right risks losing focus through infighting. They warn of an ossified, unaccountable bureaucracy and urge conservatives to keep their eyes on big-picture threats rather than minor internal squabbles.