Hour 2 - Bondi Beach Police Response

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – Bondi Beach Police Response

Original Air Date: December 16, 2025
Host: Buck Sexton (Clay Travis absent)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

This episode’s second hour dives into the recent Bondi Beach terrorist attack in Australia, analyzing the root causes, police response, and broader issues of jihadist ideology and policy failures in the West. With Clay Travis out, Buck Sexton takes the lead, bringing a sharp, unsparing view to terrorism, counter-terrorism policy, media narratives, and political responses—especially focusing on law enforcement readiness and misplaced blame in gun control debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Bondi Beach Attack: Details and Ideological Roots

• Nature of the attack: The Bondi Beach atrocity is confirmed by authorities as an act of jihadism—a coordinated attack by a father-and-son team carrying ISIS flags and targeting Jews at a Hanukkah celebration.
• Ideological Motivation: Buck discusses how Islamic radicals don’t view themselves as radicals but as the “real” Muslims, referencing the takfiri doctrine:

  “One thing that’s always interesting to note about Islamic radicals, they don’t think that they’re radicals. They just think they’re the real ones, the real Muslims. They always say it.” (Buck Sexton, 02:52)

• Connection to global jihadist movements: Buck references AQI, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and radical violence against “insufficiently” devout Muslims.

2. Critique of Police Response

• Police proximity vs. effectiveness: Though the police station was nearby and officers arrived quickly, the response was widely condemned as ineffective.
• Discussion of female officers’ roles and societal expectations:

  “Unfortunately, caught on video for them were female officers who were completely useless and did nothing.” (Buck Sexton, 04:15)
  Buck asserts that physical confrontation policies (“don’t shoot unless absolutely necessary, try to wrestle suspects”) disadvantage female officers: “Women are at a disadvantage. It’s just true. It’s obvious. Can we just speak about these things as though we all know what’s going on?” (Buck Sexton, 05:14)
  He emphasizes:
  “Doesn’t mean that there’s not a role for them in law enforcement... but we need to stop living in this fantasy... that 120-pound women with the right jiu-jitsu lock are gonna be able to wrestle. No. False.” (Buck Sexton, 05:20)

3. Gun Control Debate and Policy Response

• Statement from NSW Premier: Focus on tightening already strict Australian gun laws as a reaction to the attack.

  “I’m determined to bring in the toughest gun laws in Australia and they’ll be significantly tightened in New South Wales.” (NSW Premier, 08:52)

• Buck’s rebuttal:

  “How are you going to make gun laws tougher? Someone explain that to me. And how would that have stopped this?” (Buck Sexton, 09:26)
  He points out that determined attackers could use cars, bombs, or knives—tools are not the root problem; ideology is. “The problem is the person, okay? The problem is the terrorist... The bad people, the demons don’t get to decide how I live my life or how I defend myself.” (Buck Sexton, 10:26)

4. Terrorist Training and International Networks

• Australian attackers’ possible Philippines connection:
  The attackers reportedly traveled to the southern Philippines, possibly training with ISIS-affiliated Abu Sayyaf or Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters.

  “Looks like these guys trained in the southern Philippines... [which] has been confirmed, by the way... I don’t think it’s going to be that unclear for long.” (Buck Sexton, 12:50)

5. Western Governments & The Spread of Anti-Semitism

• Australia’s response to internal radicalism: Reflecting on Australia’s “leftward tilt,” especially post-Covid and alleged government failures to confront jihadist currents.
• Ben Netanyahu’s criticism of Australia’s government (Clip):

  “Your government did nothing to stop the spread of anti-Semitism in Australia. You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country... You let the disease spread and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today.” (Netanyahu, 20:30–20:57)

• Sen. John Fetterman’s remarks on Democratic Party’s “jihadist rot”:

  “For me it’s been a rot, you know, within the American left and within my party.” (Fetterman, 22:00)
  Buck credits Fetterman for moral clarity, noting the Democratic Party as “the wide open tent... for any of the enemies of Western civilization in our midst.” (Buck Sexton, 22:51)

6. Gun Buybacks: Misleading Language and Ineffectiveness

• Caller Jeff’s critique of gun buybacks:

  “What they actually are is compensated confiscation. The government never owned those guns... So any of these programs... are compensated confiscation... it’s part of the left’s not blaming the individual for the evil they perform and they’re blaming the gun.” (Caller Jeff, 24:25)

• Buck’s agreement and analogy:

  “It is not a buyback because you can’t buy back something that was never yours... It’s a bit like calling somebody undocumented.” (Buck Sexton, 25:10)

7. Political Correctness and Refusal to Name Ideology

• Caller Jacqueline (Brooklyn): Political correctness as root cause for Western paralysis against jihadists.

  “A lot of what is going on... is a direct result of political correctness... You cannot coexist with he who wants you dead.” (Jacqueline, 27:00)

• Buck discusses takfiri doctrine:

  “You get to declare another Muslim a non-Muslim, a kafir, an apostate, so that you can kill them under Islamic law. This is central jihadist principle.” (Buck Sexton, 28:15)

• Buck’s warning on “mass delusion”:

  “Mass delusions are the biggest threat to humanity. It’s not climate change. It’s not nuclear winter. It is mass delusion.” (Buck Sexton, 28:33)

8. Media Coverage and Counterterrorism Narrative

• Buck’s own experience confronting “Islamophobia” narratives on CNN:
  Buck recounted a CNN appearance after the 2016 Nice attack where he was lone voice calling out jihadism, while other panelists focused on Islamophobia and claimed assimilation failures were the real problem.

  “I was the only one that night who went on and was like, you know, I think the terrorists are the problem. That was a radical concept at CNN at that time...” (Buck Sexton, 30:23)

• Critique of left-wing intellectuals minimizing jihadist threats and shifting attention to white nationalism or sovereign citizens

  “You go to the Huffington Post and you know what they want to tell you. The real problem is sovereign citizens, white nationalists. That’s the real terrorism threat. Truly delusional people are delusional.” (Buck Sexton, 36:38)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Law Enforcement & Physical Confrontation:

  “Women are at a disadvantage... if I’m a bad guy and a guy gets out of the car and then a woman gets out of the car, I know which one I’m going to try to wrestle and maybe get a gun from first.”
  — Buck Sexton [05:14]

• On Gun Control After Terror Attacks:

  “It’s not about the guns. It’s about the guys, the people who did this.”
  — Buck Sexton [14:50]

• On Terrorist Motivation:

  “The problem is the terrorist... The bad people, the demons don’t get to decide how I live my life or how I defend myself. They don’t get that vote.”
  — Buck Sexton [10:26]

• Netanyahu Criticizes Australian PM:

  “Your government did nothing to stop the spread of anti-Semitism in Australia... you let the disease spread and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today.”
  — Benjamin Netanyahu [20:30–20:57]

• Sen. Fetterman on Left’s Reaction to Israel:

  “For me it’s been a rot, you know, within the American left and within my party.”
  — Sen. John Fetterman [22:00]

• Caller Jeff on Gun Buybacks:

  “They were made by private manufacturers, sold through licensed dealers and bought by individuals. So any of these programs like... in Australia... are compensated confiscation.”
  — Caller Jeff [24:25]

• On Political Correctness and Radical Islam:

  “A lot of what is going on with these radical Islamists is a direct result of political correctness... You cannot coexist with he who wants you dead.”
  — Caller Jacqueline [27:00]

• On Left Media’s “Root Causes” Arguments:

  “There are people who are just rooting against us, our way of life, our freedoms. There are people who really root for the other team... and they can’t see that.”
  — Buck Sexton [34:29]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:37] – Buck’s deep dive into Bondi Beach attack, motivations, and ideology
• [04:15]–[06:25] – Examination and critique of police response and roles of female officers
• [08:41]–[09:24] – New South Wales Premier statement on counterterrorism and gun law reform
• [09:24]–[13:35] – Buck dismantles gun control arguments after terror attacks
• [13:40]–[16:30] – Overview of attackers’ links to international terror (Philippines jihadist groups)
• [19:12]–[23:00] – Netanyahu clip slamming Australian PM; Sen. Fetterman’s criticism of Democratic Party on antisemitism; Buck’s commentary
• [24:25]–[25:45] – Caller Jeff on the semantics and reality of gun buybacks
• [27:00]–[28:12] – Caller Jacqueline on political correctness empowering radical Islamists; Buck’s response
• [30:23]–[32:00] – Buck’s CNN anecdote post-Nice attack—calling out “root causes” narratives
• [36:38]–[37:55] – Critique of left-leaning media’s focus shift from jihadism to white nationalism as chief terror threat

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Tone and Style

Buck Sexton’s approach throughout is direct, unapologetic, and at times combative—emphasizing ideological clarity, skepticism toward official narratives, and open criticism of political correctness and leftist frameworks. He occasionally leavens the gravity of the subject with personal anecdotes or wry humor, but the primary thrust is a call for realism and candor in public discourse around terrorism and law enforcement.

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Conclusion

This episode presents a scathing critique of the current Western response to jihadist terrorism, arguing that too many political and media leaders focus on restricting tools (like guns) and appeasing root cause narratives at the expense of confronting the dangerous ideologies at play. Buck Sexton insists on the primacy of truth-telling and practical security measures, pushing back on the pretense and misdirection that, in his view, have left the West vulnerable to repeat tragedies like Bondi Beach.

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Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome into the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. So, first hour, we did a deep dive into the Brown University shooting and how indicators are looking like this is a political assassination and there are things pointing in the direction of an Islamist jihadist ideology behind it that is not confirmed. That is just where the facts currently are pointing. Could change. Just like how they arrested the wrong suspect and the guy had nothing to do with it. Right. Things change, we tell you. But we already know for sure that the Bondi beach attack, which occurred over the weekend, I believe 15 were killed in that. The Bondi beach attack was definitely jihadism, definitely Islamic radicalism. One thing that's always interesting to note about Islamic radicals, they don't think that they're radicals. They just think they're the real ones, the real Muslims. They always say it. In fact, they. And Al Qaeda did this, has done this a number of times. And this really came to prominence in the early, earlier phase of the gwat, the global war on terror, when Abu Musab al Zarqawi and aqi, Al Qaeda in Iraq, which actually broke away from Al Qaeda proper and Al Qaeda thought that AQI was being too violent, believe it or not, toward Muslims because Zarqawi was a psychopath. I mean, he was a sadist. And there was a sense that they were killing too many non believe. Sorry, too many Muslims who were just not good enough Muslims. This is the takfiri doctrine, you know, so you are cast out if you are takfir. So we've seen. We've seen that before as well. Here in this case, you have these Muslims attacking Jews. And that is not unfortunately a surprise or a rarity in these kinds of attacks targeting Jews at a Hanukkah celebration. And it is very obvious these guys had ISIS flags. At home, there's a father and son team. The father was killed. The son is in the hospital with wounds. It was a father and son team. They wanted to kill as many people as possible. I have a few things I want to talk about with this one is the police response and then also a little bit about the training and possible support that these guys got. But the police response was abysmal. The police station was close. Police station was not far away at all. And police were able to get there very quickly. The problem is the police were useless. At least some of the police who arrived, a number of them on video, unfortunately, caught on video for them were female officers who were completely useless and did Nothing. You know, this is where there's a whole conversation to be had about the role of women in law enforcement. Now there are some great female cops out there. I get it. I don't want you all calling in right now and yelling at me. But in an era where we are increasingly told that cops are not allowed to use lethal force except in the most clear cut circumstances, but have to use force, meaning wrestle, meaning, you know, use their, their arms and maybe their knees to do takedowns and stuff. Women are at a disadvantage. It's just true. It's obvious women are at a disadvantage. And if I'm a bad guy and a female, you know, and a guy, and a guy gets out of the car and then a woman gets out of the car, I know which one I'm going to try to wrestle and maybe get a gun from first. Obviously. Can we just speak about these things as though we all know what's going on? Because that's what's happening. So that is true. Doesn't mean that there's not a role for him in law enforcement. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we, we need to stop living in this fantasy that is pushed on us by the media and by Hollywood where 120 pound women with the right, you know, jiu jitsu lock are gonna be able to wrestle. No, false, wrong. They can shoot somebody for sure. You have a much better chance of arguing, of telling me, well, look, they can shoot just by the way. There are a lot of women who shoot the, shoot the flies off a gnat at a hundred yards. Way better shots than me. I'm not a great shot at all. I'm not disparaging women's ability to shoot at all. But I'm just saying if you're telling people in law enforcement don't shoot unless you have absolutely no choice. You got to try to wrestle the suspect, you got to try to get the knife out of his hand. Yet women are at a disadvantage. Women are at a disadvantage just the way it is. And notice how for some of you that's going to, and maybe even some of the female law enforcement listening that that might trigger people a little bit. That might be a little. It's true. We have to say what's true. This is obvious. Just like I was saying in the last hour, radical Islam is the biggest problem when it comes to terrorism and people trying to undermine civilization through violence and a theocratic totalitarianism. By far the biggest problem in the world of that type. Nothing else even close. So Again, we say the things that we know to be true. So the police response was abysmal. And now they're saying that they're going to get. This is the New South Wales premiere. That's a state in Province, I guess, or whatever they call them there in Australia, saying they're going to get the toughest gun laws. Play 29, please do we have cut 29.

[New South Wales Premier]

Our approach to this terrible crime in New South Wales is multifaceted. But I want to make it clear that our efforts to firstly, work with the New South Wales Police on counterterrorism efforts continue. Secondly, fighting anti Semitism in our community, which will not be done in a week or a month, but is a long term important project for the government of New South Wales, working with civic leaders and the people of this state. Thirdly, gun law reform in New South Wales with legislation brought into the New South Wales Parliament to make gun laws tougher in this state. I'm determined to bring in the toughest gun laws in Australia and they'll be significantly tightened in New South Wales.

[Buck Sexton]

How are you going to tighten, how are you going to make gun laws tougher? Someone explain that to me. And how would that have stopped this? There are millions of guns in circulation currently in Australia. You're going to do another buyback, A buyback that resulted in even more guns in circulation. This is an absurdity. And if you're wondering how absurd it is, think about this. It's not like these guys couldn't have pulled this off or even something far worse without guns at all. The problem is the person, okay? The problem is the terrorist. The Israelis have understood this for a long time with their security practices. It's not about a tool. A gun is a tool. The problem is somebody who thinks to himself, I'm going to find people of a religion that I hate because I've largely been trained by my culture and my ideology to hate them. And I'm going to try to get them when they are absolutely helpless and when they're supposed to be having joy and be with family. And I'm going to murder as many of them as possible because I have convinced myself in some demonic inversion of morality that that is a righteous thing to do, that the problem is that person, right? The problem is the jihadist in this instance. And they could have done this very, very much using vehicles. And that has been done in the past with far worse casualties than what we saw here, I might add. So what are you going to do? You're going to have further car restrictions, you can have these gun restrictions. They could build a bomb or they could do what they've done in the UK and so many other places, run around stabbing people. You get somebody who you know is crazy enough and gets a big kitchen knife, they can kill 10 people before the cops can do anything about it. And that's with a knife. In the UK they're so silly, so unserious on security matters that they're talking about banning knives. That's great. Everyone's going to be sitting there, you know, chopping up their steak with spoons. We can't make these kinds of concessions to the barbarians. We can't decide that our own society doesn't get. And this brings me right into the second amendment in this country. The bad people, the demons don't get to decide how I live my life or how I defend myself. They don't. They don't get that vote. And unfortunately in Australia it seems increasing. They want to give the demons that vote. They want to give the evildoers that capability. Now these guys, it seems also very likely were trained up by a jihadist group. Some of you saw there's video making the rounds. The guy does maneuver his, you know, he maneuvers in the reloading of his rifle with, with some, some efficiency. This isn't like ninja stuff. It doesn't take years and years of practice. You know, you get enough, you get a. Enough time out on a range. Anybody can learn to reload and fire a rifle, especially innocent old ladies and kids walking around. This isn't, this isn't something that requires some hard to come by skill set. But you're going to see more about this. It looks like these guys trained in the southern Philippines. And that brings us to yet another realm of jihadism separate than separate from the Moro Islamic Liberation Front. People will probably talk about that because it's the milf. Yes, the MILF terrorist group. The MILF had a, essentially a negotiated end with the Philippine government. So it's actually offshoots of, of the milf. The MILF was about a separate. Is really a separatist group more than anything else. The ones that you have to look for now are the Islamic State affiliate in the area, the Abu Sayyaf group. They've been doing terrible things for a long time. The Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters, the biff, their breakaway from the milf. So there are these jihadist entities that operate in the southern Philippines. So that is. That is where these guys had traveled recently. According to Australian police, spent most of November in the Philippines. This has been confirmed, by the way, quote, it remains unclear what they were doing there. I don't think it's going to be that unclear for long. Their final destination was Davao, a city on the southern island of Mindanao. ISIS troops held a siege in a different city on Mindanao in 2017. This is a hotbed of Islamic radicalism. I can tell you that when we used to do the counterterrorism work in New York, a lot of the bad guys who wanted to blow up the subways or blow up a synagogue, those are usually what the plots are. Just kill a lot of people in Central park or Times Square. They, interestingly enough, spent some time in either Pakistan's tribal areas or Yemen, which is basically one giant tribal area, before they engaged in their attack. 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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in here to play and buck. I also think it's worth noting because I had asked this question of the IL Ekstein yesterday of IFCJ when she was on with us. How's Australia doing with the radicalism in its midst? And I asked it with look, I can't pay attention to every western countries, you know, details of their counterterrorism operations and programs day to day. It's you could do a whole career just doing this for one country. But I had a feeling based on the leftward tilt of Australia, particularly after Covid. I've never been able to think of Australia the same way after that that they just went completely insane and were all on board and there was like barely a peep of protest out of anybody there. Total waste. Total waste. We're all still paying the price for it, by the way, in so many ways. But Netanyahu said so. I had a feeling that they were bad at dealing with the jihadism in their midst. But here's Benjamin Netanyahu saying that the Australian Prime Minister has stunk when it comes to standing up to anti Semitism.

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Play28 about 4 months ago I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia a letter.

[Buck Sexton]

In which I gave him warning that.

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The Australian government's policy was promoting and encouraging anti Semitism in Australia. Instead, Prime Minister, you replaced weakness with weakness and appeasement with more appeasement. Your government did nothing to stop the.

[Buck Sexton]

Spread of anti Semitism in Australia. You did nothing to curb the cancer.

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Cells that were growing inside your country.

[Caller Jeff]

You took no action.

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You let the disease spread and the.

[Buck Sexton]

Result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today. He's really calling out that Australian Prime Minister on this one. So I think there's something to that because he was Netanyahu was not holding back at all. Also, someone else calling out the anti Israel left, a voice that you've heard do this many times. And as I've said, I freely admit this, my analysis of Fetterman, I underestimated this guy. I know he's bad on some issues still, or I should say I disagree with him on some issues still. But he has showed some backbone and a lot more moral clarity certainly on this than 90 something percent of Democrats out there. Here he is talking about the rot, the jihadist rot within the Democrat party play. 30 mainstream outlets like the New York Times is constantly, constantly getting a strong anti Israel views on those things and other media as well to Call it what it is. And now here in my own party, I've been incredibly disappointed, you know, and people are trying to pretend these kinds of words and terms like, you know, from the river to the sea or to globalize the afetata and all those other things. We all know what this means and I refuse to pander to that. And for me it's been a rot, you know, within the American left and within my party. He's totally right. It is a rot with the Democrat party and I give him full credit for calling it out. Like I was saying before, if you're a radical Muslim, who are you voting for? A Democrat. If you're a radical Muslim member of Congress, which party are you in? Democrat. Really? It's interesting, isn't it? The Democrat party is the wide open tent, the large and expansive home for any of the enemies of Western civilization in our midst. No, no, no, Big surprise there. By the way. It's intifada. And I'm not just correcting Fetterman. A lot of people say infitata intifada, fada at the end. Intifada. Gold and silver have turned out to be very good investments. Their value this year is up, way up, more than 60%, which is really opening eyes out there. Look, experts think that both gold and silver are going to continue to rise over the course of time. The long term thesis is stronger than ever. You know why? The ongoing uncertainty when it comes to our economy. The printing presses with all the money running, the debts piling up. This is not just our country, this is countries all over the world. Central banks are buying up gold. Maybe you should too. Birch Gold Group wants you to own silver as much as you might own gold. They know that these long term investments are going to make Sense. For every $5,000 you purchase in gold between now and December 22, Birch will send you an ounce of silver. Silver. Diversify. Let Birch Gold Group help you convert existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold. Text My Name Buck Do 989898 to claim your eligibility text B U C K to 989898 to get your free silver with qualifying promotion purchase. Welcome back in here to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. And Clay is out today. He's attending a funeral. His uncle passed away sadly. So he'll be back with us tomorrow when I get some of your calls here. Caller Jeff in Pennsylvania wants to talk gun buybacks. What's up? Jeff, hi.

[Caller Jeff]

Yes, I wanted to talk gun buyback. I heard you the other day refer to the buyback programs and what they actually are is compensated confiscation. The government never endorsed guns. They were made by private manufacturers, sold through licensed dealers and bought by individuals. So any of these programs like they've had in Australia and the uk they're compensated confiscation. And we've had some programs in big cities here in the US but they've all been voluntary, thank goodness. So it's just a point to bring up that this is part of the left's not blaming the individual for the evil they perform and they're blaming the gun and they think if they get rid of it through these confiscation programs that will solve their problems.

[Buck Sexton]

Jeff, I completely agree with you. I've always disliked this. I was trying to think of a better term for it actually when we brought it up the other day. You're right, it is not a buyback because you can't buy back something that was never yours. And so it's really a lie. And so I agree with you. It's a bit like calling somebody undocumented. No, they have documents, they just don't have citizenship for America documents. Right. I mean this is, this is a misdirection at best. So you're completely correct. I agree with everything you said and I think it's an excellent point. Thank you for calling in the. Yeah, the buyback thing is it's. We'll give you what we determine is fair market value for your gun or you go to prison. I remember when they outlawed after the Newtown school shooting, when they outlawed AR15s essentially in the state of California, I mean, sorry, state of Connecticut, they had this like you have to turn. They had some period you had to turn in your AR15 and it was probably more like your semi automatic rifle with the scary characteristics of a stock and things like that, or a movable stock. But you had to turn in these guns and there was some analysis of, I don't know, there were 50 to 100,000 of these guns in the state of California. I keep saying California, I'm sorry, state of Connecticut in circulation and almost nobody turned them in, if I recall. So technically there are a lot of people walking around who the to Connecticut had made felons. I don't. What purpose does that possibly serve? Plus the guy, the horrific school shooter there stole it from lawful gun owners, right? Didn't he, didn't he like get into the gun safe or something that belonged to his parents? He stole or he took guns that belonged to somebody Else. So, anyway, Chuck in Tampa wants to talk. What's up, Chuck? Oh, he dropped Jacqueline in Brooklyn, wants to talk. What's up, Jacqueline?

[Caller Jacqueline]

Hi, Buck. You know, I know you understand this, and I know many of your listeners understand this, but it bears repeating. A lot of what is going on with these radical Islamists is a direct result of political correctness. We've seen it not only here in this country, in the United States, it has been prevalent and spreading like wildfire throughout the European countries like France and also the United Kingdom and now Australia. So it's not going to stop. The cliche holds true. You cannot coexist with he who wants you dead. They kill their own people. As you correctly pointed out, if you're not Muslim enough, they kill them also. So there's no way around this. And I want to say I'm sorry to hear about Clay's uncle, but the only reason I'm now listening is because Clay is not there because he threw Curtis under the bus regarding the mayoral election in New York. So I'm glad to be listening to you today.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I hope you will come back because we would love to have you listening again. And Clay wants you back to. But thank you very much for. Thank you very much for calling in. Would you say. Yeah, this is the Takfiri belief is when you can think about this, you get to declare another Muslim, a non Muslim, a kafir, an apostate, so that you can kill them under Islamic law. This is central jihadist principle. And so. And there sometimes is a little bit of, well, they can be. It's because they're collaborators, we can kill them, or because they're not willing to do stuff. Or, hey, if they die, they're martyrs, so they get to go to heaven with all the virgins, too. This is really what these jihadists believe. This is what they tell themselves. It is a delusion. Again, what I talk about in my book, this is why delusions are so scary, why mass delusions are the biggest threat to humanity. It's not climate change. It's not nuclear winter. It is mass delusion that is the single biggest threat to humanity. And that is why manufacturing delusion, my book, you should go get a copy of today. Buy it. It will arrive February 17th when the books are actually sent to your home. That is pub day. All right, so thank you for those. Thank you very much for those calls. Do we have this? Oh, the audio. Oh, that's a shame. They found this story. It's Buck Sexton clashes with academic over radical Islam this was a great one. They are, in fact coming after us. I said, this is great. I w. We can't, we can't find the audio right now. I'll take you back to it, though. So this is the way that the cnn, the CNN commentariat would operate. When there's an incident like a terror, a horrible terrorist attack. I was there on their desk and they, I was one of the best, I mean, I was actually the best that they had at doing this. Just going to be honest with you. There are other places. There are some really good national security analysts that you will see on Fox. And I mean, as practitioners, very, you know, very smart. You know, Steve Yates is on Fox a lot. You guys know I love him. He's a brilliant guy. He's at Heritage Foundation. Jim Carafano's at Heritage. He's another super smart guy. He's a friend of mine. I go to him like, there are General Jack Keane. I, I don't wanna, I, I start naming people, then I want to name 20 other people. But the Fox has some very good national, like, like top tier national security analysts. When I used to go on cnn, the terrorism analyst that they would have, I'm like, who, Who? They get some professor for some college like nobody's ever heard of, who's like, I don't, I don't like all the Islamophobia in this conversation. I mean, you know, I don't know where this lady came from. You get some guy who was like an Air Force, no offense, Air force, Air Force lieutenant colonel in the 90s or something. It's like, oh, let me tell you what's going on in Syria today. It's like, what, what are you. Buddy, he's got off the golf course at one of your Air Force bases. Come on. But I'm. Boom. So, you know, I sit here and I say to myself, CNN has all these crazies, has all these crazies that are going on. There's a, this was the, the nice attack. Nice France. Basti Day right there. Bastille Day. Bastille Day for. In America. And they. Guys, how. I think it was 80 something died in that attack. And it was a truck that just found the most crowded areas where people were out celebrating the holiday. Beautiful south of France, just crushing people, mowing people down in this truck. No gun truck. And I'm telling you, if we can find the audio, we'll play it for you. It's probably. Guys, check Mediaite. I'm sure it was up on Mediaite. Oh, okay, they got it, they got it. It's big. I, I knew you guys are, you guys never let me down. I knew you'd find this one. But I had some, you know, in my, you know, in my ear about how radical it's all about Islamophobia. I'm like, lady, who are you? Like, what do you know about anything? You're never, if you've been within a hundred miles of an actual Islamic radical. I wrote a book, get out of here. Get out of here. But I was the only one that night who went on and was like, you know, I think the terrorists are the problem. That was a radical concept at CNN at that time, this is 2016. To go on CNN and say, I think the Islamic terrorist is the person that we should really focus on here as the issue and not our inability to assimilate Muslims in Europe specifically. That was what the gist of the conversation was. It's like, you people are just crazy. You know, this is, they're trying to destroy our civilization, they're trying to kill us, they're trying to ruin our day to day lives. I mean, think of, I always have to point this out to everybody too. They'll do this thing and it drives me nuts and I hate this. You'll get like Ezra Klein and some of these supposed intellectuals on the left and they're just, honestly, you have to have some wisdom and some virtue as a person to be really smart in my eyes. It can't just be high iq. There are a lot of high IQ people who make terrible decisions who are on the wrong side of the most important issue that doesn't. There's a difference, there's a difference between high cognition and wisdom. There's a difference between high cognition and having the right answers, knowing what should be done. Huge difference, as you know, in these things and the left on this stuff. They're all, they're just always wrong. It's just so pathetic. They're always wrong. And you know, they'll make these arguments that are, that are absurd. They'll make these arguments that it's always about our Islamophobia. And you never stop, you never stop to say, hold on a second, if assimilation is the problem, are they working hard to assimilate too? Or, you know, why is it our fault? If we're going to pretend that the issue here is the lack of assimilation of the Muslim minority in these countries, why does that inherently fall on us? Do you think that when Irish and German and other immigrant Jews came from Poland and from the Russian step. I mean, the fled and came to America. Do you think that when they arrived, there was this expectation, well, first of all, that we were going to give them all welfare and pay for everything, and two, that, you know, it wasn't on them to figure it out. We were supposed to figure it out for them? No, I always just think this stuff is. Once you get down to the roots of the argument, there are people who are just rooting against us, our way of life, our freedoms. It's true. There. There are people who really root for the other team in all of this, and they can't see that. But that is the end result of where they stand on this stuff. When you're talking about terrorism, specifically radical Islamic terrorism. Oh, but sorry, the other thing I was going to say, see, I could do this stuff all. I haven't. I get to put my terrorism hat on here for counterterrorism, my terrorist analysis hat on here, which is really what. This is why Glenn Beck hired me initially at the Blaze, to his enormous credit, I must say, because I sat down with him at his office in the Blaze, which was empty at the time. Basically, they were just beginning the Blaze. And Glenn sat down and he started asking me little questions, a little bit of this, a little bit of that in the Middle East. And I was at that point so dialed in. I was like an encyclopedia. I'm not gonna lie. I was. Glenn was like, let's hire this kid. Good for him, by the way. Thank you, Glenn. You know, for somebody to, in one meeting decide that he's going to roll the dice and give me a career. But it was these issues that I really knew. But people talk about the. Whether it's the most. It's Islamic terrorism we have to worry about the most, or these other. These other things. I'll say it's white nationalism. You know, the real problem is all the white nationalists in this country. As if, you know, we're worried when we're, when we're going into the. Like I say when I go to tsa, we're worried about some, you know, skinhead with, like, neo Nazi tattoos getting on the plane. Like, give me a break. We all know what we're worried about. Ok, we're all very aware of that. But that goes to my point of the entire terrorist counterterrorist apparatus in America has been overwhelmingly. Until January 6th, and the FBI had to track down, you know, old ladies in their fanny packs for taking a selfie in the Capitol. The whole counterterrorism apparatus has been devoted toward stopping radical Islamic so we've spent trillions of dollars to prevent more 9 11s to prevent the spread of this stuff. And there were a lot of other plots and a lot of other attacks that didn't happen. And now those ones never really get seared into our memory for obvious reasons the way that the successful even smaller scale attacks do. But we have had this massive expenditure for over 20 years to stop people from going Allahu Akbar and hitting the plunger on a suicide vest to stop people from saying Allahu Akbar and mowing down bunch of people who are at a Hanukkah celebration in Australia. To stop people from go down the list all these things and you go over to New York Times. You go, you click on Vox, if that's even still a thing. You go to the Huffington Post and you know what they want to tell you. The real problem is sovereign citizens, white nationalists. That's the real terrorism threat. 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