Hour 2 - Break in Guthrie Case

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 2: Break in Guthrie Case

Date: February 10, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton

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Overview

This hour of the show focuses primarily on breaking developments in the highly publicized kidnapping case of Nancy Guthrie—mother of NBC newscaster Savannah Guthrie. Clay and Buck analyze newly released FBI imagery and footage related to the case, explore the rarity and nature of similar crimes in America, debate public and media attention, and discuss potential motivations behind the act. The hour also features a digression into a spirited debate on the greatest movies of the 1980s, interspersed with listener feedback and lighthearted banter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Breaking Update: Surveillance Images and Video in Guthrie Case

[02:12–14:08]

• FBI Director Cash Patel Releases Evidence:
  Clay announces that photos of a suspect (or “person of interest”) have been released via Patel’s social media. The images are widely circulated on news networks and on the show’s own social accounts.

• Visual Description and Implications:
  The images show a figure, presumed to be male, in a full body suit—possibly a hazmat suit—with all skin covered, including a ski mask and gloves. This attire appears specifically chosen to avoid leaving physical evidence.

  • "He’s got a full ski mask on...Gloves on, obviously...His face is fully covered...So yeah, this, this was a...Planned. This whole. This job was set up well in advance. This is somebody who really thought this thing through."
    —Buck Sexton [05:15]

• Pre-Meditation and Forensics:
  Both hosts stress the deliberate and calculated nature of the crime, with Clay reiterating that the suspect’s thoroughness (removing cameras, all-covering attire) supports the theory of premeditation.

• Potential for Physical Analysis:
  Buck notes investigators could estimate height/weight from the footage, but lament that beyond this, the suspect’s identity is almost entirely shielded.

• Release of Video Footage:
  Clay announces the FBI has also released video—about 40 seconds long—showing the suspect disabling external cameras at Nancy Guthrie’s house around 2:00 AM. This further illustrates the meticulous preparation.

  • "This guy would have broken into her house presumably in the middle of the night while she was presumably in bed asleep and grabbed her. And this is, this is kind of crazy."
    —Clay Travis [10:52]

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2. Kidnapping Statistics and Media Attention

[07:16–16:41]

• Rarity of the Case:
  Clay and Buck discuss how abductions of elderly women by strangers—especially with this level of sophistication—are extremely rare in the US.

  • "How many 84 year old women in America have been kidnapped by someone...wearing a full body suit to avoid leaving any DNA behind? I don’t know that this has happened...frankly, anywhere else in America this year or last year."
    —Clay Travis [07:16]

• Discussing FBI Data:
  Buck reviews real-time data (via Grok and FBI reports):

  • 530,000 missing-person reports in 2024, but true stranger kidnappings are approximately 100 per year.
  • Most cases involve family custody disputes, not stranger abductions.

• Media Coverage Because of High-Profile Family:
  Buck highlights that the high level of media and FBI attention is, in part, due to Nancy Guthrie’s connection to Savannah Guthrie:

  • "We are allowed to observe that...the FBI director would not be sharing these if it were not the daughter of a prominent newscaster...That does make some people a little bit uncomfortable."
    —Buck Sexton [05:15]

• Counterpoint—Uniqueness of the Crime:
  Clay argues the case would be newsworthy even without the celebrity connection, given its rare nature.

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3. Speculation on Motive and Perpetrator

[14:08–16:41]

• Possible Motives:
  The hosts hypothesize two main motives:

  • Rational/money-driven: The perpetrator knows of Savannah Guthrie’s family wealth; sees Nancy as an “undefended” ransom target.

  • Irrational/mental illness: A deranged fan or stalker forms a delusion about Savannah Guthrie and acts out violently.

  • "Is it possible that this person is not actually motivated by money? ...that this person has convinced themselves that they are doing something that is necessary because of their relationship with Savannah Guthrie."
    —Clay Travis [15:22]

• Modern Forensics and Law Enforcement:
  Buck comments on the rarity of kidnap-for-ransom in America compared to other countries, attributing this to effective law enforcement and the rule of law.

  • "Fortunately, we do have rule of law, and so you don't see this very often."
    —Buck Sexton [16:42]

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4. Cultural Intermission: 1980s Movie Debate

[22:13–33:35]

• Segment Trigger:
  Clay and Buck launch into a spontaneous debate about the greatest movies of the 1980s, sparked by soundtrack music and lasting for several minutes.

• Key Claims and Arguments:

  • Buck: “Beverly Hills Cop” is a top-10 1980s movie, citing box office numbers.
  • Clay: Counters with “Back to the Future,” “Die Hard,” “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” and “Karate Kid” as superior or equally iconic.
  • Both trade barbs and rattle off a variety of classic 80s films, drawing in listener reactions and referencing Rotten Tomatoes and box office lists.
    • "Nobody puts baby..." (referencing “Dirty Dancing”)
      —Clay Travis [40:38]
    • "This is an awful take by you, Clay." (regarding "Goonies" and "Lost Boys")
      —Buck Sexton [24:49]

• Listener Feedback:
  Multiple listeners text and call in to participate and good-naturedly rib the hosts for their movie opinions.

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5. Additional Commentary and Listener Calls

[37:47–40:53]

• Taylor Swift vs. Death Metal:
  Listener calls and talkbacks debate musical tastes, with Buck and Clay acknowledging the generational and situational context for different genres. The hosts joke about deployment, kitchen cleanup, and more.

• Fan Interactions:
  Palm Beach and Ohio listeners weigh in on the movie discussion, especially the 80s soundtrack legacy (“Purple Rain,” “Dirty Dancing”).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the sophistication of the suspect’s disguise:

  • “He’s got a full ski mask on...not going to leave behind any fingerprints...This job was set up well in advance.” —Buck Sexton [05:15]

• On media attention due to celebrity status:

  • “We are allowed to observe that...if it were not the daughter of a prominent newscaster, that would not be happening.” —Buck Sexton [05:15]

• On rarity of elderly victim stranger kidnappings:

  • “I don’t know that this has happened, frankly, anywhere else in America this year or last year.” —Clay Travis [07:16]

• On possible irrational/mental illness motive:

  • “Is it possible that this person is not actually motivated by money?...They are doing something that is necessary because of their relationship with Savannah Guthrie.” —Clay Travis [15:22]

• On Beverly Hills Cop’s place in the 1980s:

  • “Beverly Hills Cop - top 10 movie of the 80s. I’d put it in the top 10.” —Buck Sexton [22:28]
  • “It’s a fine movie, but Back to the Future...is nearly a perfect movie.” —Clay Travis [29:13]

• On American law enforcement and kidnapping:

  • “Kidnap for ransom in this country is very rare...and that’s a good thing, clearly.” —Buck Sexton [16:41]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:12] – Breaking: FBI releases images in Guthrie kidnapping
• [05:15] – Analysis: Crime preparation and surveillance images
• [07:16] – Rarity of elderly stranger abductions
• [08:35] – Review of kidnapping/abduction statistics
• [10:52] – Analysis of newly released suspect video footage
• [14:08] – Motive speculation: Rational vs. irrational
• [16:41] – U.S. vs. international kidnap-for-ransom context
• [22:13] – 1980s movie debate and listener feedback
• [37:47; 39:51; 40:18] – Listener calls: Music, movies, generational jabs

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Conclusion

Clay and Buck provide in-depth real-time analysis of perhaps the most substantial break yet in the Guthrie case, spending much of the hour examining the implications of the suspect’s actions, the unique nature of the crime, and possible motivations. Throughout, they keep the tone engaging and accessible, balancing serious commentary with lighter cultural debates and robust listener participation.

Transcript

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, major breaking news in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance. We have tweeted out these photos from the Clay and Buck account. There are photos of an alleged suspect or an alleged person of interest, however you want to classify it, that have just come out courtesy of FBI Director Cash Patel's Twitter account. You can go see these. I have got them pulled up on my phone right now. And I understand the challenge of radio in many ways is we have to describe these still images that many of you cannot see. But again they're up on social media, they're right now on every one of the television networks, Fox News, MSNBC and cnn. Buck, what stands out to me as I look at these photos and first of all I'm presuming this is the removal of the camera outside of the Nancy Guthrie house. For those of you who don't know, the talk was that her camera outside of her home had been removed and therefore there was not a lot of evidence. Maybe they were able to go back and get this footage of the perpetrator as the removal of that camera was occurring. And what stands out to me from these photos is the this guy and I'm presuming it's a guy, but you really can't tell because this individual has completely covered basically every bit of his skin. And it circles back around to what we have been telling you for some time that this seems to have been a very well planned process. And if you were wondering, we talked about this yesterday, I remember why there was maybe no DNA evidence that had been left behind from a perpetrator. Uh, and we even mentioned the idea of somebody being in a hazmat suit. Effectively this guy appears to be wearing a hazmat like suit to avoid leaving any evidence at all. And so as a result you can't really tell anything about him. I'm assuming you could probably get a decent idea. The FBI would, I haven't seen it yet about how tall this individual is in some way because he's inside of the foyer outdoors what appears to be her home. And I would think they could re calibrate that and figure out exactly how tall he might be. But looking at this, I just circle back around to what we have said from the get go which is this is a very planned process. This wasn't some like happenstance. Oh they show up when you're wearing this outfit. They were planning for some time to take her or he maybe one individual who knows.

[Buck Sexton]

This is also to your point about, about the attire that the perpetrator here has. He's got a full ski mask on, so that takes care of hair for example, as a possible leave behind at the scene for DNA. He's got Gloves on, obviously, you know, he's so. His mat. His. His face is fully covered, but beyond that, he's holding back because the full ski mask hair, you know, shape of the head is not really easy, dude. You can't really determine that. And he's not going to leave behind any fingerprints. So yeah, this, this was a. Planned. This whole. This job was set up well in advance. This is somebody who really thought this thing through. You know, I mean this is a situation where I think Clay under. I mean the kidnapping is generally an FBI related thing and it falls under some federal laws, I think of a kidnapping results in death. You can get the death penalty for it. So this may be depending now hopefully Nancy Guthrie's return home, you know, safe and sound. We're hoping and praying that that happens. Just as we would. To be clear, for anyone, any American, any human being who was kidnapped in this situation, I do think it is fair to point out that this is getting far more attention than a lot of other very serious criminal things all across the country because of who her daughter is. And that is just the truth. And that's. I'm not passing judgment on that one way or the other, except to say that we. We are allowed to observe that. That is the reality that the FBI director is. The FBI director would not be sharing these. If it were not the daughter of a prominent newscaster. I'm sorry, the mother of a prominent newscaster. That would not be happening. And I. I think that that does make some people a little bit uncomfortable. Like why does law enforcement. Why should that matter? Or why does that result in a lot more resources and attention? That is where that is the system that we have right now. That's the. That's the most that I could say about how that. How that functions. That is the truth.

[Clay Travis]

I would also say, to be fair, we don't actually have very many kidnappings like this. Yes, that what this appears to be. We're fortunate as a country. There are a lot of stories where somebody goes missing and we don't know why they're missing or what the story might be. But as these images come out, how many 84 year old women in America have been kidnapped by someone who showed up at their home wearing a full body suit to avoid leaving any DNA behind? I don't know that this has happened, frankly, anywhere else in America this year or last year.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

So it is a fairly unique story. Yes. Is it a bigger story because of the connection to Savannah Guthrie? Yes. But I actually think this would be getting quite a Lot of attention, even if it were not connected to Savannah Guthrie. Because this is a crime that just doesn't occur that often. I. I can't remember the last time that I heard about an 84 year old woman kidnapped from her home and a ransom note. And all these stories for anybody's grandmom or grandma, much less Savannah Guthrie's.

[Buck Sexton]

So I pulled up on. On Grok. I was curious about this, Clay. The National Crime Information center, the FBI's National Crime Information center, tracks missing person entries, which often overlap with abductions and kidnappings. So again, it's a much broader category than what we're talking about here. Missing person could be incredibly serious. It could be somebody who's, you know, trying to avoid like child support payments. That has gone off the radar.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

So it's a huge span of things that a missing person could be. So. Because this is why, clay, there were 530,000 missing person reports in 2024. Now, a lot of those, thankfully were, you know, they just. They couldn't find a person. They found them. They, you know, they didn't want to be found for a few days. You know, they were on a Buddhist retreat. Who knows, right? But there's not 530,000 kidnappings. Obviously, when you actually get down into the numbers a little bit more, there were 20, about 2300 abductions by non custodial. So this is listed as often family or parental abductions, as in, this is of children. But someone taking a kid.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Now sometimes that's, you know, that's somebody who's like taking a kid in a custody dispute situation, but that's considered an abduction. Depending on. Okay, I'm just getting to this, Clay. So let me see. Most missing children cases, 30,000 reported to national center for Missing and Exploited Children resolved quickly, with family abductions being more common than stranger ones. Someone that doesn't know them.

[Clay Travis]

You and I were raised in the era of America's most wanted, where you constantly thought as a little kid, somebody's going to yank, someone's going to kidnap you.

[Buck Sexton]

So. So. But this is what's really to your point, that based on the data, again, I'm going off of Grok in real time here. It says that about a hundred cases a year of somebody who was just taken by strangers and no one has. So it is actually quite rare in this country, is the point. Right. A lot of missing person cases, but that's very broad when you get to like this. No one has any idea who the heck took someone and took them. And it has custody of another human being, you know, in a criminal fashion.

[Clay Travis]

Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a very, it's actually very rare in this country.

[Clay Travis]

They have also now released from Cash Patel the footage video of this guy disconnecting the cameras outside the house. So couple of about 40 seconds of video of this individual. And I'm saying guy because I'm just presuming that it's a guy. To be fair, you can't really tell that much based on the outfit who this person is. And so. But there is now video out of this potential alleged suspect and it's him taking out the door cameras before presumably he goes in and kidnaps this woman. And there's talk what I have read Buck, is that the camera goes out around 2 o' clock in the morning. So this guy would have broken into her house presumably in the middle of the night while she was presumably in bed asleep and, and grabbed her. And this is, this is kind of crazy. So in general to your point, this does not happen very often. The video is now out and all I can say is it seems like it's very well planned and intentional in nature. And we'll see if I. Unfortunately, I just don't know that you can tell very much because this guy's completely covered up. I mean I, you're looking at these pictures too and this video. I just, I don't know. I.

[Buck Sexton]

They might be able to do some kind of. He looks like he's a little portly. They might be able to do a little bit of physical analysis. Again this isn't going to give you. This is about whittling down.

[Clay Travis]

They'll be able to tell roughly, I would think height, height and weight is.

[Buck Sexton]

Something they'll be able to get from this video, I think and maybe a little bit of, I don't know how good of a shot they have of the eyes but they may be able to do some kind of analysis, you know if they get really. If they have a detailed enough shot of. Of the person's eyes. But yeah, this is not a lot to go on. My concern all along from the beginning of this has been if this is someone who really thinks they're going to get away with this. You're talking about somebody who. And this is clearly a pre planned that, that is beyond any doubt, right. We know that this was a pre planned thing where this person was going after this target had case the location, had an understanding of the security precautions and procedures that were in place, notably the. The camera which was disabled. But with all that together then you start to think, okay, if this person is going to be paid in bitcoin, which they think will be effectively even the blockchain means it's always traceable at some level. I mean, you can access your bitcoin anywhere in the world. So that would mean that you'd be able to get it. It already essentially be outside the financial system in a way where it could be just sort of seized. And then you'd have to think this is somebody who would be trying to get across the border into Mexico and either make it to and either stay in Mexico, which you'd get away with that for a while, but they'll eventually get you or try to make your way to a non extradition country. But to me, that's the. There's no way this person does this. Gets $6 million in Bitcoin and like lives outside Tucson and no one ever figures it out. That's not the way this ends.

[Clay Travis]

I also wonder motivation. It's possible. Motivation is, hey, somebody knows this Nancy Guthrie and they're aware of Savannah Guthrie's wealth and they just decide she's relatively undefended, 84 years old, we're going to kidnap her and we're going to ransom it. A part of me also wonders, is it possible that this is someone? So that would be. If we're analyzing motive, that that would be in some way a quote unquote rational motive, by which I mean money is the goal, there's a plan in place, all those other things. I also a part of me wonders, because Savannah Guthrie is on television every day, Buck, whether this could be a profoundly mentally ill person who believes. And the only reason I say that is because of the sort of language that Savannah Guthrie has used in these messages that it's a profoundly mentally ill person who believes. You know, how mentally ill people can watch someone on television and think they're being told something.

[Buck Sexton]

That has been some horrible stalking cases where people thought they had a relationship with someone that's right on like a soap opera.

[Clay Travis]

So is it possible that this person is not actually motivated by money? And you know that even some of these ransom notes are just kooks out there engaging in the story and not actually involved. And that this person has convinced themselves that they are doing something that is necessary because of their relationship with Savannah Guthrie. To me, it's one of those pathways and we're trying to figure out what it is. The one is somewhat rational where it's evil, but it's, hey, I'm trying to get money based on this action, the other one is potentially just even scarier in some ways because there is no logic or rationality behind it. It's the product of a mentally ill individual who has somehow convinced themselves that this is a necessary act. Based on watching Savannah Guthrie on television every day.

[Buck Sexton]

I will say it is actually an indicator of, I think, the improvements in law enforcement overall. When we look up that number and clay that there are less than. Again, this is grok. And I'm sure people will come up with some different numbers. But you would know kidnapping. The fact that this kind of kidnapping, let's call it kidnap for ransom, which is. Which is what this seems to be, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Kidnap for ransom in this country is very rare.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

And that's a. That's a good thing, clearly, because. And there are other countries where it is not. I mean, friends of mine, I'm here in Miami, plenty of places in Latin America, especially if you're known to be somebody of means, you have to go everywhere, really, with an armed security detail because of that, because of kidnap for ransom. And that's just become a reality. And it's places like Brazil and, you know, Colombia in the past, maybe not as much now, but. But it used to be. So there are countries, Mexico, as I mentioned, where this is a very thing, by the way. This also used to happen even in Iraq when I was there. The terrorist groups would do this. They would grab somebody that they knew had, you know, oh, one day it's all about the jihad, and the next day they would just grab some guy who they knew was like a local businessman or had access to some, you know, capital or his family did. And they're just like, give us a million dollars or we'll cut his head off on video. I mean, this is a real thing that happens in places that have no rule of law. Fortunately, we do have rule of law, and so you don't see this very often. I hope that this is tracked down as quickly as possible. We'll continue to update you on this story as we get any details. The Tunnel of the Towers foundation supports America's greatest heroes. These include the U.S. service members and first responders who died or have been severely injured in line of duty, as well as homeless veterans. The foundation's gold star fallen first responder, smart home and homeless veteran programs honor the sacrifices made for us by the men and women who risk their lives and bodies for our country and our communities. The foundation's never forget programs engaged thousands of people in 911 remembrance across America through hundreds of runs, walks and climbs and golf outings every year. My friend, my wife Carrie, producer Allie Clay, they have all participated in some of these events. If you're watching the live stream, you'll see footage from the Big Run walk they do every September in New York city. Tunnel to Towers 911 Institute helps teachers educate children in kindergarten through 12th grade about America's darkest day, enabling our nation to keep its vow to never forget. Help support Tunnel to Towers and its important programs. Never forget 911 or the sacrifices of our country's greatest heroes. If you're not yet supported, if you have not yet supported Tunnel the Towers and all the good work they do, join us in donating $11 a month at tunnel the [e-mail] that's t the number 2t.org.

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[Buck Sexton]

Got some talkbacks, all that good stuff. Let's do this email actually Clay hey this is Steve from North Idaho. D Steve from North Idaho Wow. Buck keeps saying pickleball is just for old people and retirees. So I've got stats to prove that it actually is the fastest growing sport in America and dominated by 20 and 30 somethings. And since he's down in there in Miami with the warm iguana blood, tell him this 60 year old will fly down and challenge him to a match. I just want to make sure he doesn't fall out of a tree Like a frozen iguana when I win. God bless. Keep up the good work. I love this, though. The 60 year old who plays pickleball writes in to tell me that it's not just 60 year olds to play pickleball. I mean, it's, it's cool, Steve. Just embrace it. It's a great. It's like a shuffleboard. It's a great game for the retiree community. I don't know. What you know is, well, Clay, you got nothing for me. All this.

[Clay Travis]

I, I, I. You picked a fight with Big Pickleball on your own. I don't know enough about pickleball to have a strong take.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Is this Grease Lightning?

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

I don't, I'm trying to listen. I, I don't. What is the, the music? No, I have. No, I thought it was the Grease Lightning intro.

[Buck Sexton]

There's. It's in Beverly. Beverly Hills. When he's in the, when he's doing the cigarette deal and he's like, it's a government tax stamp. You can't, you can't beat that. And then, like, the truck. It's, by the way, one of the great opening sequences in any movie. But that's the, the music that they're playing in the background of that whole sequence, which I'm. Beverly Hills Cop, one of the best movies. I'll put, I'll put this out there. A top 10 movie of the 80s. I'd put it in the top 10.

[Clay Travis]

That's outrageous. It's a very good movie. I mean, I'm just thinking off the top of my head. I mean, aren't there three Indiana Jones movies and three Star Wars? I guess the first Star wars was 77.

[Buck Sexton]

Only a nerd thinks that the Star wars movies are better than Beverly Hills Cop. You're not a nerd. Come on.

[Clay Travis]

Empire Strikes Back is better than Beverly Hills Cop. All of the. That is. All of the Indiana Jones movies are bad. I'm not anti Beverly Hills cop. Lethal Weapon 1 and 2, probably both better than Beverly Hills Cop.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, now you're really. Now you're Terminator. Now you're just messing.

[Clay Travis]

Terminator 2 better than Beverly Hills Cop.

[Buck Sexton]

I didn't say it was the best movie. I said it's top 10.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I'm just naming like eight off the top of my head right there. And that's not even getting into, like, the Godfather or the Godfather 2.

[Buck Sexton]

I think the Godfather was, like, 1979. Or am I right on that one? Was the godfather 72? Clay, Clay, I know you. I know you were in high school, but, like, that was a long time ago. Okay? That's 1972.

[Clay Travis]

That's.

[Buck Sexton]

I said the 80s.

[Clay Travis]

Back to the Future. Back to the Future.

[Buck Sexton]

I would. I would put Back to the Future in the top 10 as well. Yes.

[Clay Travis]

I think. I. I think it's hard to get to. To Beverly hills cop top 10. I'm not. I'm not demeaning the quality of the film. I. I'm a Beverly Hills Cop fan, but I. I think getting. I mean, some of people out there would say Trading Places, which I think came out in the 80s, is better than Beverly.

[Buck Sexton]

No one says. No one says Trading Places is better, even as an Eddie Murphy movie.

[Clay Travis]

No one says that's a better movie. Place is a very, very good movie.

[Buck Sexton]

I just. I just so you know, the movies, I, I went. Obviously, there's a million different lists.

[Clay Travis]

Cooneys, but Lost Boys, like, this is a. This is an awful take by you, Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not an awful. I mean, maybe if you want to say it's like number 12 or 15. Fine. Back to the Future. That this is what's on the, like, first list that comes up according to. What do you call it? Google? AI. Back to the Future, Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of a Lost Ark, ET The Breakfast Club. No way. Beverly Hills. Copy that.

[Clay Travis]

I would agree with you on the Breakfast Club.

[Buck Sexton]

That's crazy. The Blade Runner. No way. Beverly Hills Cop's a better movie.

[Clay Travis]

Die Hard.

[Buck Sexton]

Is a better movie than Beverly Hills Cop. It kills me to say that, but that is true.

[Clay Travis]

I actually took a picture of the Die Hard, the Nakatomi Plaza when I was out in LA last week. The physical structure is right by the Fox lot and I meant to text it to the show text chain. Die Hard is. Die Hard is, I think the greatest action movie ever made. Now I know you can get into what is action, right? Because how broadly do you do. But I think most people know an action movie like a shoot em up was different than a military movie. Like Saving Private Ryan is different than.

[Buck Sexton]

Die, but I think it's its own genre. Yeah. That there are war movies and there are action movies. Action movies involve clear steroid use by the protagonist and like one liners while he just shoots everybody while holding the gun in his left hand. And the beautiful babe in his right arm being like, oh, like I am the hero. You know, very Schwarzenegger, Stallone, you know, these kinds of people. That's action movies. I would actually, I would put the Matrix in the action movie category. Even though some people would say sci fi. That's at the very top of my, you know, that's like a top five action movie for me. Okay, look, the 80s was a great decade for movies, but I do Karate Kid.

[Clay Travis]

I mean there are so many movies out there.

[Buck Sexton]

A better movie than.

[Clay Travis]

No, Karate Kid is better than Beverly Hills.

[Buck Sexton]

LaRusso is a little nerd. Little nerd. He started it. You like, you like the Cobra Kai and you know that the whole, the whole, you know, it was like Karate Kids PR team that convinced everybody that he should have stolen Elizabeth Shoe in the first place. That was the blonde haired guy's girl, man. You just show up.

[Clay Travis]

Senior Kai is so good. For those of you out there, if you're. And I understand some people are like, oh, I hate every. Like, it is such a good series. So good. I mean it's ridiculous. But I watched it with my kids. They were obsessed with it. They loved it. I. Yeah, that, that, that whole, that whole concept, that whole movie was just, just extraordinary in the follow up. But other than Buck being totally wrong about Beverly Hills. And by the way, didn't I get ripped just like six months ago for coming on and liking the new Beverly Hills copy, Axel F that aired on Netflix? I came on and I was like, Axel F was pretty good. It's like the fourth Beverly Cop or whatever. Beverly Hills Cop movie. So I'm not anti Beverly Hills Cop movie. It was very good. But, but yeah, that's That's a rough take by you.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you know what? According to Rotten.

[Clay Travis]

Sorry.

[Buck Sexton]

I know you want to move on, but I love.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, no. I'm actually the number one.

[Buck Sexton]

The. The only. The only way we can really take this to the. To the mat here. Okay. Is looking at the. By the way, Ghostbusters. Absolutely. On my top 10 movies of the 80s. Absolutely.

[Clay Travis]

You name 10 that are better.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, maybe it's top 15, then. But I'm getting close. I. Look, I agree it would be sneaking in at the nine or 10 slots, but. But I would put it, you know, the. The number one movie, according to. Again, this is based on, like, all audience reviews. Back to the future, most beloved movie of the 80s, which ET is number two. Ghostbusters is number three. The Shining is very high, which, I mean, it's a great movie, but, like, I just don't like horror as a genre very much. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Yeah. Not a surprise.

[Clay Travis]

Die Hard.

[Buck Sexton]

Die Hard. Terminator, Terminator, Predator. All amazing movies. And, you know, eventually we're going to get to Beverly Hills Cop in here. It's a little.

[Clay Travis]

Little. Little like 76.

[Buck Sexton]

It's like, let me see. You know what? I'll find it. I'm a little sad right now. I thought. When you thought I was going to be able to. This is like when Nate Bargazzi says that he's going to tell his wife I do my own laundry, and it's like the end of the fight. I went to Rotten Tomatoes, and unfortunately, it's helping Clay's position, which is really upsetting me right now. Oh.

[Clay Travis]

I mean.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh. Oh. It's the number. According to. It's the number 100 movie of the 80s. That's. That's.

[Clay Travis]

That's not even barely made the top 100. It's a fine movie, but Back to the Future, and I would. I would argue Back to the Future is nearly a perfect movie, like, almost a perfectly constructed movie. Same thing for the Raiders. Lost Ark is good. I actually think the Last Crusade is the best of the. Of the Indiana Jones movies. And I think that came out in, like, 89.

[Buck Sexton]

Jaws came out in 75. I always thought Jaws.

[Clay Travis]

We just had the 50 50th anniversary last year of Jaws.

[Buck Sexton]

Do kids still watch. Did your kids watch ET Like, I feel like that's a movie.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think they've seen it. It's a sad movie. It wasn't one that I was super excited to watch with them. You know, I mean, it kind of ends in a I mean, it's kind of a dark ending. So I don't even know that. We've watched E.T. we've watched all. Almost all the top 80s movies. That's a good question. I haven't watched it with him, Buck. I mean, you. You. This is a. This is a whip. Like, the team is just. The team is just throwing punches at you on our text. Jade, left and right with all the iconic 1980s movies.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what? I'm going for one more. I'm going for one more data point in my favor. Let's see what this goes here. Ok, baby. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Highest grossing. Highest grossing movies of the 1980s. You ready for this? I love AI it makes everything so fast. Now, what do you think the number one is? Clay on this one? Number one.

[Clay Travis]

The highest grossing movie of the 1980s has to be a PG.

[Buck Sexton]

We've already talked about it. To narrow this down. It's not that.

[Clay Travis]

Back to the Future.

[Buck Sexton]

No, that's actually number eight. Number one, ET $399 million. Now, this is adjusted for inflation, to be clear, but $399 million. You know what the number six movie of the 1980s is in terms of dollars, adjusted for inflation? All in. Beverly Hills Cop won. Boom. That's right. Don't give up that fight, everybody. You stay in that game. Number six.

[Clay Travis]

There's a lot of awful movies that make a lot of money. Aren't you the king of hating Avatar and Avatar is like three or four of the biggest grossing movies of all time.

[Buck Sexton]

You're going to use my curmudgeonly consistency against me on this one. That's really where we're going. Okay, fair, fair. But. But really, it's dominated by the Indiana Jones series, the Star wars series, Ghostbusters, E.T. that, like, that's. Those are the biggest movies of the 80s. And then Beverly Hills Cop sneaks in there. So there you go. All right, all right. This is not film school. I know.

[Clay Travis]

People, like, get back to the issues. Get back to the issues.

[Buck Sexton]

All right. What issue do you want?

[Clay Travis]

I mean, the. The issue is, I would say we've analyzed as well as you can. Everybody is playing constantly on repeat now. The. Oh, man. Dark story.

[Buck Sexton]

We're going into the kidnapping story again.

[Clay Travis]

No, I mean, I'm just saying, like, it is the lead story on every network right now. They're just repeating it over and over again. And I did say. I meant to mention this. I went to Savannah Guthrie's Instagram account. She shared these photos and she said, we believe she is still alive. Bring her home. That's Savannah Guthrie. Anyone with information, please contact 1-800- call FBI or the Pima County Sheriff's Department. In Arizona, a high level football coach listening to the program. I don't want to put him on blast. Just texted. He's disgusted with you. Caddyshack should also be on the list. So Caddyshack elite 1980s.

[Buck Sexton]

He's not, he's not wrong, but I would say his disgust is a little excessive, that's all. Okay, he's not out of line with the pick, but like, you know, that's, I mean, Caddyshack is like a number. Number 20. I would put it, I'd put it like top 20 for the eight.

[Clay Travis]

So you'd put it made the top 100 way easier than your overall top 10. Call Beverly Hills Cop here.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, it's true, but I, like I said, I will just point out number six movie of the entire 1980s in box office receipts was Beverly Hills Cop. So it's really not that crazy to say the top 10 movie. The people spoke with their dollars, Clay. They spoke with their dollars.

[Clay Travis]

These talk backs are going to be rough for you. When we come back, we'll take some of your calls, we'll get to some of your talk backs. By the way, we have Senator Bill Hagerty is going to be on with us at the top of the hour in about 15, 20 minutes. And then Steve Hilton running for governor of California also scheduled to join us at the bottom of the hour. And we still need to update the Epstein revelations. We'll maybe hit that at the bottom of the hour here with a couple of new details that have emerged there in the meantime. I had the opportunity last year to visit the Legacy Box headquarters in Chattanooga. Really cool experience. Not just touring the facility. I got to see firsthand how they have built just an. Adam and Nick have built an incredible business in Chattanooga that offers an important service. They will preserve your family memories forever. Super 8 films, audio cassettes, slides, you name it, if it exists and you want to digitize it. Legacy Box has a team of 200 plus technicians with state of the art technology. Super easy. Just go to legacybox.com clay to get started. They'll send you a special legacy box where you put everything in that box. They take care of the rest. Don't worry, you get back the originals along with your new digital files. It's basically like a time capsule from the past into the present day. Get hooked up right now. Go to legacybox.com clay and you'll save 50% off when you preserve your past with Legacy box. That's the legacy box.com clay for 50% off legacybox.com clay for 50% off.

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[Buck Sexton]

Senator Hagerty coming up in a few minutes, some important stuff to talk to him about. And we're also going to be joined by Steve Hilton who can talk to us about California. We'll return to that story about Mark Zuckerberg buying a $150 million house, which Clay, that means the taxes for that house in Miami he's going to be paying, call it 3 million roughly a year in taxes just for that house. So this is, I mean, I know he's got more money than anybody would ever need. My point is merely think of the money that is coming into Florida that is leaving California in these state coffers, no doubt.

[Clay Travis]

And again, that's why I think the, you know, sort of virtuous circle is going to start accelerating faster and faster in favor of states like Florida, Texas and Tennessee and against states like New York, Illinois and California which have spent their money buck as if that gravy train is never going to end and have unfunded pensions long into the future that are predicated on that money continuing to be there. And frankly, it's just not going to be there. And so I think this is going to become a bigger and bigger issue in the years ahead than it is right now. You can kind of see this trend growing.

[Buck Sexton]

Podcast listener, this is cut. This is E. On the talkbacks, guys. Podcast listener Michael, who wants to tell Clay he's wrong. So we definitely need to hear this. Go ahead.

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[Buck Sexton]

Musical catalog is not a fan of death metal. What a surprise. Come on, Clay. Death metal takes a lot of talent, way more than Taylor Swift has. Granted, she looks much better than the average death metal musician, but you're wrong on this one. I, I think I gotta back my guy up on this one. I think I go Taylor Swift over the death metal. I gotta think about what quality like Metallica is not death metal. Right. That's heavy metal. So I like heavy metal, but death metal, they're like, like people yelling into the microphone thing. I don't know. I'm not into.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I, I, I mean, I just, I'm, I'm, I'm not a fan. And according to producer Greg, the caller, we appreciate there is actually a death metal singer, so I think maybe he's a little bit biased.

[Buck Sexton]

We have I I on the talkbacks, another death metal fan. We got death metal fans in this audience. Play. I. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Chris in Colorado. Was it yesterday? I guess. Okay, we'll pull that one up from yesterday. We got another guy. Oh, C, C, I just want to say, Buck Sexton, don't you dare get down on death metal. It got me through all my deployments. Come on, brother, you're better than that. We love you. Take care. Hey, we love you too. And thank you for your service. And yes, Clay, if I were about to engage the enemy in a Humvee and I had to let the heat go on my 240 Golf, death metal might be my choice too, to be clear. Like, there is a time and a place for it. I just don't think I'm going to be cleaning up the kitchen tonight and listening to like, like people screaming and the crazy fast drums and everything else.

[Clay Travis]

That's not my thing. No, a hundred percent. And we got some more talkbacks that are pretty fantastic if I can find them in our flowchart here. Of all of the different breakdowns. Here we go. F. Victoria from Palm Beach, Florida.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey, it's Chris from Colorado. I just want to say, Goodness, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

You did not know that was from Beverly Hills Cop.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought we were all the same age, guys. What give. Wow. Was that a subtle Palm beach shot at Clay being the elder statesman of the show. I think it might have been G.

[Clay Travis]

Is an unidentified listener from Toledo, Ohio.

[Buck Sexton]

I'd have to agree with Buck here. It's probably top 10, but the soundtrack alone is probably top 5. If you want to talk 80s and movies and soundtracks right up with, like, Prince, Purple Rain, stuff like that. Yeah, look at the soundtracks to some of those movies. It's right up there. Dirty Buck.

[Clay Travis]

Nobody puts baby.

[Buck Sexton]

Brilliant take. No one loves Dirty Dancing that much.

[Clay Travis]

You're not Patrick Swayze. It's an iconic film.

[Buck Sexton]

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