Hour 2 - Buck Blasts Bad Parenting

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – Buck Blasts Bad Parenting

Date: June 10, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Buck Sexton (Clay Travis not present during this hour)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Buck Sexton's response to the Carmelo Anthony verdict, a high-profile criminal case involving a fatal stabbing at a high school track meet. Sexton examines the trial outcome, the community reactions—particularly those touching on race and justice—and the broader implications for social norms, criminal justice, and parenting. He threads these topics through a discussion of recent news, including violence sparked by social confrontations and the perceived erosion of civility in public spaces.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Carmelo Anthony Murder Verdict

[03:01–10:52]

• Case Recap: Carmelo Anthony, age 19, was convicted and sentenced to 35 years (eligible for parole after 15) for fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf during a high school track meet.

• Trial Reflections:

  • Buck argues that the act was not ambiguous: Anthony was an outsider at the event, was told multiple times to leave, and responded with lethal violence to a minor confrontation.
  • Stresses importance of a just punishment given the clear, intentional nature of the killing.

  “You shouldn't pull out a knife and stab somebody in the heart and kill them for no good reason whatsoever. This is very straightforward. This is a choice. This is a choice between civilization and barbarism.” — Buck Sexton, [04:36]

• On Sentencing: While some were calling for the death penalty, Buck clarifies why this case, by statute, didn’t qualify but affirms the severity of the sentence.

  "He got a hefty sentence. He will be eligible for parole... at 34 years old if he's let out." — Buck Sexton, [03:41]

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2. Racial Narratives Around the Case

[10:52–14:17]

• Community Reaction: Buck plays audio of protesters and breaks down the racialized framing outside the courthouse.

  • Some protesters mourn the impact on black youth and question how to advise them ("What do I tell my five boys? You can’t walk away no more").
  • Buck's blunt response: “What do I tell my five boys? Don’t do something heinous and monstrous and kill someone.” ([11:05])

• Critique of Media and Social Commentary:

  • Buck calls out what he sees as dishonest or inflammatory racial narratives that legitimize violence or portray the verdict as anti-black.
  • He stresses that violence must always be condemned, regardless of the races involved.

  “This was not self-defense. If what Carmelo Anthony did is self-defense, then self-defense has no meaning.” — Buck Sexton, [12:00]

• On Societal Double Standards: Buck observes that discussions about anti-white animus are often suppressed or dismissed, which he sees as a problem for honest public discourse.

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3. The Role of Parenting and Social Norms

[15:32–17:46; 37:00–39:40]

• Bad Parenting: Buck links violent behavior to a lack of good parenting, especially the failure to teach kids accountability and respect for rules.

  “You must be dealt with and dealt with severely because the rest of us...have a right to not be victimized. We have a Right. To not be stabbed in the heart at a track meet because somebody didn’t have good enough parenting to explain to him, you don’t stab someone in the heart because they tell you to go back to your school’s tent.” — Buck Sexton, [15:32]

• Need for Social Enforcement: Buck laments the decline in people’s willingness or ability to enforce norms for public behavior, linking it to rising disorder and a wider cultural crisis.

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4. The NY Bus Shooting and Antisocial Public Behavior

[31:08–39:00]

• Incident Recap: Buck describes a recent case in NYC where a man was shot and killed on a city bus after asking a teen to lower his phone volume.

• Media & Law Enforcement Response: Criticizes the sanitized suspect description in news reports, tying it to a reluctance to address racial issues directly even for public safety.

• Rafael Mangual’s Analysis: Buck reads a quote urging people to understand that antisocial public behavior is often designed to provoke a response, sometimes as an "excuse to scratch a violent itch."

  "Antisocial behavior...the whole point is to provoke anger and annoyance...If someone confronts him, he finds his excuse to scratch a violent itch. Understand that saying something to these people will often come with a risk of violent confrontation.” — Rafael Mangual, as read by Buck Sexton ([37:41])

• Broader Crisis of Civility: Buck shares personal anecdotes about public spaces—airplanes, restaurants—and the apparent increase in people disregarding basic manners and the potential dangers of calling them out.

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5. Callers, Community Reactions & Ongoing Tensions

[43:06–45:18]

• Listener Pushback:

  • Gus from Minnesota expresses frustration at Buck's defense of “Karens” (people who speak up about rule-breaking).
  • Sean from Queens, a black caller, raises concerns over presumed guilt in the Anthony case, drawing parallels to the Daniel Penny case where a white defendant was widely defended in conservative circles.

  “What really bothered me the most...was the preconceived notion of guilt because we didn’t do that...with Daniel Penny, who I agreed was self defense...But we went to this preconceived notion of guilt [with Carmelo Anthony] without knowing anything other than one side.” — Sean, [44:21]

• Buck’s Rebuttal: Acknowledges the importance of presumption of innocence but stands by the verdict, citing consistency among eyewitnesses and clear evidence.

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6. Commentary on Black Cultural Debates

[22:58–23:57]

• Jason Whitlock Quote: Buck brings in a provocative argument from black conservative commentator Jason Whitlock, who blames aspects of “black culture” for aggressive confrontations—then asks whether this criticism can even be debated.

  “So called Black culture teaches black people to aggressively troll white people...that black culture always seeks escalation of conflict, never peaceful resolution.” — Jason Whitlock, as read by Buck Sexton ([22:58])

  Buck floats this as a difficult but necessary conversation, noting the tendency to shout down intra-community criticism as “racist,” even from black voices.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the dividing line of civilization:

  “This is a choice between civilization and barbarism. That’s it. Is it wrong? Can we as a society clearly say it is wrong to take out a knife...and kill them for no good reason whatsoever?” — Buck Sexton, [04:36]

• On presumed guilt and race:

  “We should be able to speak about it in that way. Am I the advocate for the 99% of the black community that just wants to live like everybody else in peace and freedom?...To be their advocate means being honest about where the problem is.” — Buck Sexton, [15:03]

• On enforcing social norms:

  “For the purposes of maintaining civilization, we actually need to be able to socially enforce norms and we need to call out this kind of antisocial behavior. And anybody who gets violent in response to it needs to be severely punished...” — Buck Sexton, [39:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening & Overview of the Carmelo Anthony Verdict: [03:01–10:52]
• Protesters’ Audio & Response: [10:52–13:06]
• Commentary on Death Penalty & Racial Narratives: [13:06–17:46]
• Bad Parenting & Social Breakdown: [15:32–17:46]
• Jason Whitlock Quote on Black Culture: [22:58–23:57]
• Clarification on the Case (Calls/Transcripts): [26:31–30:13]
• NYC Bus Shooting & Public Behavior: [31:08–39:00]
• Rafael Mangual on Antisocial Behavior: [37:41–39:00]
• Listener Calls & Debate: [43:06–45:18]

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Tone and Style

• Direct and Unapologetic: Buck’s commentary this hour is forceful, critical, and insistent on blunt moral boundaries.
• Emotionally Resonant: Frequent references to heartbreak for the families involved, alongside exasperation at protest narratives and the decline of public order.
• Debate-Focused: Willing to air dissenting calls from listeners and engage with intra-conservative and intra-racial debates.
• Cultural Critique: The episode doubles as a meditation on social standards—parenting, public manners, and the societal costs of failing to enforce basic rules.

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Conclusion

Buck Sexton uses the Carmelo Anthony murder verdict as a springboard for a wide-ranging discussion on race, criminal justice, parenting, and the breakdown of social norms. He insists on accountability, both in criminal cases and in everyday public life, warning against cultural narratives that excuse violence or undermine the expectation of civility and order. Listener calls and prominent commentary deepen the debate, making this episode a pointed critique of what Buck sees as the consequences of bad parenting, bad ideology, and bad faith in public discourse.

Transcript

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wrestling.com Second Hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thank you so much for being here with us. And the Carmelo Anthony verdict came down right after we finished this program yesterday day. We had not a chance to talk to you about the result.

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[Buck Sexton]

like a conviction was like, was likely right as we were finishing up yesterday. Because usually when a jury in a case like this comes back quickly, I think it's bad for the defense. Right? That's, that's the general rule of thumb, obviously. Not, not ironclad, but that usually is the way that it goes. And this whole thing is a tragedy. It's heartbreaking for the Metcalf family also. This Carmelo Anthony fellow is a young man who's also basically thrown his life away. He will be able to have a relationship with God from prison, hopefully and, and can repent. And you know, this is where this is heading, my friends, because he got 35 years. He, he got a hefty sentence. He will be eligible for parole I think, after 15 years. So if he is now 19, he will be what, 30? Oh, gosh, I never should try to do math on the fly on the show. But 34 years old when he gets out for parole, and that's if the parole board said maybe, maybe they will not let him out. That's obviously also subject to the determination of those individuals in the future. But here's, here's the long and the short of it. He was somewhere at a high school track meet that he wasn't supposed to be. High school kids sometimes will, you know, say things to each other, whether, especially in a sports environment that can be a little bit abrasive or maybe even aggressive. But you're in high school, there are people around you, there are adults, there are folks present. You shouldn't pull out a knife and stab somebody in the heart and kill them for no good reason whatsoever. This is very straightforward. This is a choice. This is a choice between civilization and barbarism. That's it. Is it wrong? Can we as a society clearly say it is wrong to take out a knife? I mean, also, I just, just to note this, a long time ago, I actually had, and I'm by no means an expert, but I had some basic edged weapons training when I was in the agency. And a part of that was, or a big part of it's actually in the early days, anatomy and understanding bleeds to pull out a knife and to stab someone right in the heart. You know, he, he could have, he could have pulled out his knife and like slashed at Metcalf's midsection or something, you know, maybe cut him. By the way, that also would be criminal and should go to prison. But obviously Austin Metcalf would be recovered and at home with his family. You know, they're to, to, to jam your knife into someone's heart to go for a fatal, a fatal stab under that, sit under those situations. It was just, it was vicious, it was demonic. There's, you know, you know what you're doing when you do that. And it's, it's actually not that easy to kill somebody with one, with really, you know, one movement of an edged weapon, unless you know what you're doing. There are only a few places where you'd be able to go, and, and that was one of them. So he went for a killing strike right off the bat. And just so, just horrific. And so it's important that this was severely punished. I know there are people who are saying this should be a death penalty case for Anthony. You know, there's pretty clear in the statutes this would not, this would really not qualify. I think that's why they didn't charge it as such, but it was charged as murder and he got a considerable sentence. So from a judicial perspective, I think this was all handled properly. Then there's the stuff around this issue, okay, Then there's the people who are raising money for Carmelo Anthony who are claiming that this was a case of self defense, that this was somehow indicative of like white racism or something like this. And on the one hand, you know, you could just try to wave your hand at this and say, well, there's very stupid people of all, you know, of all types and colors and persuasions. There are dumb people of all kinds out there. And maybe we just have a collection of particularly stupid people outside of the Carmelo Anthony courthouse. But some of the narratives that are being shared outside that courthouse you'll also see in social media. You'll also see reflected from major news outlets and from left wing commentators. And that, I think is particularly troubling about all this. I want to give you, just so you can hear this, some of the things that people were saying outside this courthouse. And I then want to unpack. How could these things are so crazy that you have to wonder, how could anyone think this? But then you stop and you realize it's more, it's a lot more widespread, these sentiments, which are quite honestly just at their core at their baseline, anti white. There are in fact people of all races. And I know this a bit from my time where I was kind of traveling the world a bit and working for the government and dealing with racial animus. People who hate other people based upon their race. Their skin color exists all over the world. All over the world. In fact, America is a particularly non racist country today. Today, I'm not saying 100, 150 years ago, but today it is a country that far exceeds others and certainly any other of its size. When you talk about racism and racial tolerance. And in this country we've gotten so used to hearing a narrative of like a hierarchical racism that we have been told by the academy, by the media academy, you know, universities, by the media, even by the government in different ways, that black animus or hatred toward white people is not even, is not possible. It's not something you're allowed to talk about. The problem with that is that's a lie. It's real. There are the same way they'll say, do you not believe in racism in America today, a white person will be asses. You saying there is no racism. It's a little bit like people saying, well, are you saying there is no climate change? No, of course there's racism. And by the way, of course the climate is changing, but everything that you think that follows from that does not follow from that basic affirmative statement necessarily. Right. So you also have to start with, are there black people who have, because of narratives of victimization and systemic racism and all these, you know, the BLM movement and these different things. Are there some black people in this country who have an irrational animus, a racism, if you will, toward white people? The answer is undoubtedly yes, of course it. By the way, there are, there are Asian people who are racist about black people. There are Latino people who are racist about, and vice versa. You see where I'm going? I mean, this exists of course, in all different forms, creeds, colors and everything else. But we have to start from that baseline understanding to understand how it is that a woman. Let's go to cut four. Cut four here. A woman outside of the Carmelo Anthony trial was saying this play. Cut 4.

[Protester]

What do you want us to do? What? What do you want us to do at this point? What I'm, I'm lost for. I don't know what to do. I got five boys, I don't know why. I ain't got nothing to tell them no more. You can't walk away no more.

[Buck Sexton]

Rest in peace, Trayvon Martin. What Do I tell my five boys, don't stab someone in the heart for no reason. There we go. Not actually a hard question to answer. What do I tell my five boys? Don't do something heinous and monstrous and kill someone. The most basic and straightforward thing in any society, the most obvious moral position is don't murder people, don't murder your fellow human beings. That's what happened here. So what is the part of this that is surprising? Here's another protester. This is cut five. Listen to this. Play it. What was it like?

[Reporter]

What was it like when the verdict was read?

[Protester]

I feel like it was designed to protect white people, the system and it was not designed to protect black people. Is self defense?

[Buck Sexton]

No, it's quite obviously not self defense if that is self defense. Self defense has no meaning if what Carmelo Anthony did is self defense. Anyone in America at any time who feels like someone accidentally or not bumped them in the shoulder walking past them in the grocery store aisle could just pull out a pistol and shoot them there. Self defense. He assaulted me, bumped my shoulder. I, I thought my life was in jeopardy. If you are unreasonable in your use of force, there must be consequences or else the use of force then becomes completely open ended to people who want to prey upon their fellow human beings. And by the way, this just goes on and on. I mean, platcot3, this is protesters outside.

[Protester]

What do we want? Justice. What do we want? Justice.

[Buck Sexton]

So you have mobs of. Again, I did not see any non black people in the footage. I wasn't at the trial. I think we may have someone joining us who was actually covering the trial the whole time soon. But I wasn't at the trial. So I'm just telling you what I've seen. Again, the specificity here so that no one can claim that I'm playing loose with the facts. You have mobs of black protesters outside of this trial who clearly wanted the justice system to say that a black young man, you know, say teenager, now he's 19, a black young man, should be able to kill a white young man. Because there's a lot of resentment from some quarters of the black community against white people and the history of racism in this country. That's what they wanted to come out of this trial. There's some echoes of the OJ Situation here, not in the result, but in the desire for like payback or something. And that is really distressing because for us to live in a country where some of, and I, you know, we have wonderful, many wonderful black listeners to this show every day. I know, because they call in, they write in everything else, and they're calling this out, too. So this is why, again, I try to speak with that specificity of. From some corners, pockets of the black community, these narratives have been very much adopted wholesale. These narratives of. Of a victimization that justifies anything in response at any time, a total rejection of accountability for the individual if the individual is black. There are some, you know, I can't give you a number, but I can give you footage of mobs of people outside the courthouse saying this. And we should be in the same position as we would with any other issue where fellow Americans, I think these are all Americans who are outside the courthouse where fellow Americans are advocating an explicitly immoral and I would say evil outcome narrative. We have to be able to call it out and say, no, they are wrong. What they are doing, what they are, what they are pushing for is evil. And quite honestly, they should be ashamed of what they say about this. Again, lawful, legal, for them to say it. I'm not saying they're, you know, First Amendment, of course, but that goes both ways. And we can't do this thing of, oh, well, we have to. We have to act with this sensitivity where we don't want other people to misconstrue what we are saying. You know, this is why I always say, do I sound sometimes maybe a little hardline on criminal justice matters when it comes to the 1% of the black community in a place like New York, where I grew up, or any number of other cities that commits a vast majority of all violent crime? Well, no, I think actually I'm the advocate for the 99% of the black community that just wants to live like everybody else in peace and freedom and security with rule of law. So I, you know, I am their advocate. And to be their advocate means being honest about where the problem is, which is in a. And Trump even spoke about it today, said about 2% of. And that's of the overall population, by the way, not the black population, but about 2% of the overall population in any city is basically committing all the serious violent crime. I don't care what color they are. White, black, Asian, Hispanic. If you are the problem of violent crime in your community, you must be dealt with and dealt with severely because the rest of us, including the vast majority of black, Hispanic, you know, everybody Asian, I don't want to keep saying it. Of everybody else has a right to not be victimized. We have a right to live in peace and security. We have a Right. To not be stabbed in the heart at a track meet because somebody didn't have good enough parenting to explain to him. You don't stab someone in the heart because they tell you to go back to your school's tent. We should not have to live like that and we should all be able to speak about it in that way. So, by the way, there's more on, there's more rather in this criminal justice conversation that I want to have with you. It has to do with this, what happened in New York. And this one hits home for me because, you know, I am that, that guy who will often speak up and say something when someone is, is being disrespectful to people around them and being rude. I do it in a polite fashion. But man, people say stuff to me sometimes that I'm like, I guess it's a good thing I'm a public figure. I don't want to get into a scrap here. But you'd be surprised how aggressive and vicious people can be when they're clearly in the wrong. They can be sitting under a sign that says, don't do the thing you're doing. And they're on private property and you can have the manager come over and say to them, hey, can you not do that? And they'll get mad at you for telling, you know, for asking the manager to enforce the stated rules of the house. Someone got shot over this in New York. We'll talk about it in just a moment. Rapid radios are the 2026 version, this super updated high tech version of walkie talkies. They're incredible. They connect people coast to coast. 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I was mentioning before on this Carmelo Anthony case how I'm also of course seeing some very clear headed, insightful and and highly ethical takes from members of the black community in this country. And a lot of them are on the right people that agree with me politically. But some are just black people that see this for what it is. Jason Whitlock over at the Blaze wrote so called this is a quote, so called Black culture teaches black people to aggressively troll white people in hopes of triggering disrespect that justifies a violent physical conflict that black culture always seeks escalation of conflict, never peaceful resolution. That's from Jason Whitlock. Is that true? Are there people in the black community who are of the left who want to debate that issue or willing to discuss it or they're just going to shout that Jason and everyone else Jason's black of course are racist? Is that the plan? We'll see. Buying business insurance should come with all year access to your broker. 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He was not, he was not welcome there. He was not supposed to be there Based on these sort of high school event rules. You know, it would be like if somebody from the opposing team came and sat on your bench, like, you know, you're not supposed to be there. Rules that everybody else was fine obeying and respecting. And there is dispute among the witnesses, some, I should say discrepancy. Not really dispute discrepancy among the witnesses as to whether it was more of a hand on the shoulder to guide him out or something of a shove, right? Like shoved his shoulder. He did not strike him. He was not beating him. He did not have his hands around his throat or anything like that. A shove on the shoulder. Another important part of this is Anthony kept saying, touch me and see what happens. Touch me and see what happens. Knowing that he had a knife ready to go at this high school event. Now some people do not understand how self defense law works. As somebody who does conceal carry here both sometimes a knife and. Or a pistol in Florida, I have to be very well acquainted with this and I know it's different state to state to be clear, but there's some basic principles that are pretty, pretty common across all states on this one. One of them is just it has to be proportionate. You know, you have to be incredible fear. And this is what I meant by if somebody is walking past Me on the street and I'm looking at my phone and we bump shoulders and I say, oh, I'm sorry. If they pull out a gun and shoot me at point blank range because they say that they were scared and they felt like they were under assault, they're going to go to prison. Ok? You have to have more than just like somebody came into physical touch with me, you know, if somebody tapped me on the shoulder and it's an old friend, I could theoretically turn around and stab them because they say, oh my God, I was assaulted on the street, they made physical contact with me. A jury is going to say, no, you killed someone, that's murder. You had no justification to do it. It has to be a reasonable level of force for a reasonable perception of threat. Ok? So that, because everyone's gonna say, oh, but he made physical contact. These are high school kids. Think about what that rule would then mean. I mean, I, you know, people, I, I got into a couple of scraps when I was in high school with people, you know, nothing serious. I wasn't some tough guy or anything. But you know, grabbing and shoving and stuff, you know, this kind of stuff happened. Imagine if you could just carry a knife around that. If anyone touched you, you stab him in the face. Touch me first. Stab him in the face. You're high school students. Go to the dean, right? I mean, you know, go to a teacher and be like, you know, expel this kid. You're gonna stab him. So all these people that are trying to now say, oh, but he made physical contacts or that no, they're wrong. They don't understand the law and they don't understand ethics and what they're saying is stupid. So here we go. We have unidentified listener from San Antonio listens on woai, this is D. Let's hear what this gentleman has to say. Man, what do you expect? Got all white J, A black boy talking to a white woman. Why they didn't get death penalty because he's a black boy talking to white woman. I mean that's just unfortunately ignorant and wrong on every level. Wrong as a matter of law, wrong on, on, on the facts. But just to give you a sense, I mean, we have people even who are listening to the show who are going to disagree with me on this. And they're free to disagree, they're free to be wrong. This was the, this was the right outcome in this case. And the whole thing is very sad and just, it's just all loss, it's all bad, this whole situation. But I want to Also just move to, because I mentioned this thing of Carmelo Anthony wrote, really instigated the whole thing is he didn't think the rules applied to him too. He didn't want to. And you can say, oh, it's not a law. Yeah, but it's an understood, civilized way to interact with your high school peers, that you have your tent, they have their tent. It's a competitive event, you know, you're not supposed to be. Everybody else was fine with the rules. He thought the rules didn't apply to him. And then he, instead of saying, oh my gosh, you guys are right, I'm sorry, I'll head over to, you know, the other tent or something. He wanted it. He knew he had a knife and he wanted to, he wanted to throw down. And now he's going to spend at least 15 years in prison for it, maybe longer. There was an incident in New York City that just happened. And this is something that I think really does hit home for a lot of us. This is. It was on Monday. A bus passenger named Jonathan Pettigrew, 41 years old, asked a, quote, teen to lower his phone phone volume on a public bus. And this is the WABC report from New york on this play 11.

[Reporter]

It started with an argument about someone yelling too loudly on his phone and it ended in gunfire and a 41 year old man dead. And it happened on an MTA bus. Surveillance video shows passengers running off that bus moments after gunshots rang out, including at least one rider with a baby stroller. According to police, the victim told the suspect to keep it down, an argument ensued and then the gunman shot the victim in his abdomen on a BX36 bus. It happened yesterday around 2:30 in the afternoon at White Plains Road and East Tremont Avenue. The suspect then fled on fire foot southbound on White Plains Road. He's described as a young man, possibly a teenager, wearing a white shirt at the time. The victim, identified by police as Jonathan Pettigrew, was rushed to Jacoby Hospital where he later died.

[Buck Sexton]

I think they're missing a data point there. From the description of the suspect, a teenager wearing a white T shirt. Hmm. Did anyone notice if the teenager had hair? Did anyone notice if the teenager was of a certain skin color? This is, remember, this is somebody who has fled at large, just murdered somebody. And this is a news report. This is about public safety now, right? Gotta get the word out. Okay. I'm glad that they got the word out about a teenager wearing a T shirt. That's gonna help. That's really narrowing it down, isn't it? But you see, we all see there are these invisible but omnipresent rules about criminal justice and about these issues that were about racial issues. We're all supposed to what? How about just fairness, sanity and equality? How about the truth? We just always say the truth. That would be a good place to start, wouldn't it, on all of this. But I would just note that I see this. It's very common down here in Miami. And it is not members of the black community that I generally have had interactions with on this. It is a different community who like to play incredibly loud music in public places that are enclosed. For example, they will just play their music on their phone when they're sitting in like a restaurant or they will get on. This is true. I was in a restaurant, a, you know, a. Like a sit down, nice restaurant last night, and someone at a table next to us was just having a full blown FaceTime conversation that the whole restaurant could hear FaceTime on speaker, shouting. So the person, you know, holding up their thing, you know, I'm talking to my buddy at FaceTime. It's not a loud restaurant, by the way. So we all get to hear this guy's conversation. It's incredibly rude. It's incredibly rude. And manners, by the way, are actually an important ingredient in civilization, in our ability to socially interact with each other and with other people. And this I know, happens on the subway all the time. Producer Alley's doing it happens in the subway all the time. Well, in this case, it happened on a bus and someone said, hey, can you keep it down? The guy clearly got super aggressive and murdered. He murdered somebody because he didn't want to hear the guy's speakerphone conversation. Now, there are different ways to analyze why people do this. Rafael Mangual, who is a friend of mine at the Manhattan Institute, is one of the, I think, top criminal justice analysts and commentators on the scene today. We've had him on the show before and I want you to hear what he says specifically about this incident. Obviously, Rafael is. He's of Latin American background himself. And here's what he is saying about this quote. I've lost count of how many times I've made this point. But please take this as a warning and not merely an observation. Antisocial behavior. Behavior. Think about the guy blasting music from a speaker, talking loudly on speakerphone. Smoking inside the subway car in a public space is often doing so because they are engaged in it as a dare. The whole point is to provoke anger and annoyance in those around him, which serves two purposes, depending on the response he's hoping for. Number one, if everyone bites their tongues, the antisocial jerk gets to tell himself that he's such a badass no one would ever dare speak up. Or two, if someone confronts him, he finds his excuse to scratch a violent itch. Understand that saying something to these people will also come often come with a risk of violent confrontation. End quote. It's absolutely true. People do things like this. It reminds me also of the, like the dirt bike takeovers on the streets of New York City. They're daring anyone to say anything. They're daring the cops to even try to stop them. It's meant to show a power dynamic at play. We, the people doing the antisocial thing, do what we want. And if you try to enforce social norms, if you try to enforce respect for fellow human beings, we'll punch you, we'll stab you, maybe we'll shoot you. That is a common enough thing now that people need to be warned about it. And I think about this sometimes too. You know, I, I, I will have you know, everyone has these kinds of incidents. You know, I'm amazed at also, unfortunately, it seems like the bad guys, the people that like to do this stuff, they get, the more they get away with it, the more that happens. It's a bit like graffiti in a city. The more you see graffiti, the more graffiti happens and the more people think, you know. But just to be clear, there are rules in the subway. This isn't like some. Oh, but I'm getting the manager. You're not allowed to have like a boombox blasting. You're not allowed to do these things. You're not allowed to, you're not supposed. I'm, I'm on an airplane these days, so I fly commercial like everybody else. I'm on an airplane and there's about a 70% chance that some jerk, by the way, could be, could be, you know, anybody actually. I mean, this is, this is a, this is one where you get everybody's kind of an equal meaning different profiles. Male, female, you know, white, black. I've actually never, I've actually never seen an Asian do it to be fair. But white, black, Hispanic, you know, I see a lot of people do it. They do the, I'm going to have like my iPad with no headphones. And they're, and they're told at the beginning of the flight, please, you, you must use headphones. Use headphones. It's very annoying and distracting to everyone else who's probably trying to read or watch their own thing or maybe sleep that you're just blasting this. People just don't care and they get indignant about it. 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Here we go. We have some talkbacks. We have some callers. Let's do talk Back first up here from Gus from Minnesota. This is Talk Back B. He's upset with us. Karen's our heroes. You guys are zeros. See ya. Switching you off. Well, Gus, I will miss you. First of all, it's just me. Don't blame Clay. And we will miss you. So I just said in some context, my friend, there are times when someone actually does need to ask for the manager. There are times when someone does need to step up and say, turn off the. And often, if it is a woman who does it, violence, if the offender is male, this kind of the peace and quiet offender, if you will, is less likely. Whereas if it's a man, often things can escalate very quickly to a violent. Although sometimes they'll get violent with a woman too. So it's in that context that I'm saying that's good. You can disagree with that. But then you just wouldn't be particularly wise. And let's see who else we got here. We got Sean from Queens. What's going on, Sean? Is he still with us about the whole.

[Caller Sean]

Hello?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, sir, you're on the air. Go ahead.

[Caller Sean]

What's up, Buck? What really bothered me the most about our side regarding Carmelo Anthony was the preconceived notion of guilt because we didn't do that or we didn't even allow that to happen with Daniel Penney, who I agreed was self defense, but he killed an unarmed black man because of words. But we said it was self defense and we praised him and called him a hero. In the Carmelo Anthony situation, we went to this preconceived notion of guilt without knowing anything other than one side. I'm a young. I was a young black man growing up in South Jamaica, Queensburgh. I carried a pocket knife at the tender age of 15 because things happen. I don't know why Carmelo had a knife. I don't know why he stabbed Austin. Maybe he couldn't scrap. Maybe he was a punk, I don't know. But we went to this preconceived notion of guilt.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, Sean, I appreciate. Thank you for calling in. Appreciate your perspective. I just want to address it before we get to the break here. A few things. The Sean Penny situation, there was video. So when you see video of an incident happen, you tend to have a better sense of what happened than in this case. We obviously had to rely on eyewitness testimony. There was a lot of eyewitness testimony though. In terms of a preconceived notion, Sean, I agree that somebody should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I didn't, I didn't think that this was a particularly difficult case because of what happened. Because of the initial eyewitness testimony was all consistent. Black, white, everybody who saw this, it was consistent throughout. And look, this is where self defense law is very. You know, a bedrock issue of self defense law is were you really under threat when you did this? Would a normal regional person think so? Carmelo Anthony did not cross that threshold at all. Life is full of challenges, but you don't have to face them alone. At InTouch.org you'll find powerful sermons from Dr. Charles Stanley, Daily devotionals, and resources designed to strengthen your faith and bring hope into your everyday life. Whether you're searching for encouragement, biblical wisdom, or practical guidance, InTouch.org is here to help you grow closer to God. Discover truth that speaks to your heart. Visit InTouch.org today.

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