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Learn more@probane.com welcome back in hour number two. Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are live in New York City as we have been all week long. Appreciate all of you out there listening to us all over the country. We'll get into some of the takeaways but had a lot of fun at the Stephen A. Smith debate. We'll get Buck's take on it as well. We got some cuts that I think are actually interesting from a political process that we will play later in this hour. But here right off the top, we talked in hour one about the clear motivations becoming apparent. I know all of you were aware Charlie Kirk was not killed by a right winger. He was not killed cause he wasn't right wing enough. He wasn't killed as Jamel Hill, formerly of ESPN said by part of a white supremacist gang hit. This is what she tweeted Buck. Now she since deleted it.
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Buck Sexton
I mean if he was in a maximum security prison maybe that story would make some sense. But that's insane. That's truly, that's lunatic stuff.
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Clay Travis
Absolute lunatic stuff. White supremacist gang hit according to Jemele Hill. But what are they saying on cnn? I want to play a couple of these cuts because they're telling you things that are 100% false and I, I want to ask Buck's opinion on this. I don't understand how you could have these takes and be on the Internet at all. First, here is CNN's host Abby Phillip arguing with Scott Jennings about people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder. Cut 34.
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Buck Sexton
Everybody here acknowledges that there have been thousands upon thousands of people, ordinary people who have taken to social media to celebrate this. Yes or no?
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Announcer
I don't know about that. I just think we should just there's we got to be factual about this, right?
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Announcer
I don't think you know the scope. I don't know the scope but I do think that we have to distinguish between random people in the world and something that is a dominant why issue.
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Clay Travis
Because the person who shot Charlie was a random person in the world, was he not?
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Announcer
Well, here's the thing.
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Clay Travis
Here's that's the danger.
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Caller
You dismiss the random people of the world. They have access.
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Announcer
There have been political assassinations in this country before Scott, wouldn't you agree? And they're all reprehensible and in this country. Do you believe that in those political assassinations in the 60s, in the 70s and the 80s, assassination attempts, that there were no Americans who cheered that on? I think the question, anything, the question is whether or not is not whether or not it happens. The question is whether or not we need to place that at the very center of our political world right now and categorize half the people in the country according to those random people that we now just happen to see because of the Internet.
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Buck Sexton
We do have to put that in the center of our political world, by the way, because it is.
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Clay Travis
She initially disputed that there were thousands and thousands of people. I actually think Scott Jennings was being very lenient in his numbering. Certainly there's tens of thousands. I think there's hundreds of thousands. There may well be millions. So to say, oh, we don't know that there's thousands. Again, they're trying to minimize what is going on. Here is msnbc. This is Brandy Zadronzi, and I'm not sure if I got that name right, but she is on msnbc.
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Buck Sexton
You don't know Brandy Zion?
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Clay Travis
I'm not familiar with her work. I don't know her whole catalog, but she says to suggest people on the Internet are cheering for the murder of Charlie Kirk is actually the total opposite of what's actually happening. This is what she said. Cut 35.
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Announcer
If you look across media generally, you have seen a lot of people trying to grapple with Charlie Kirk's legacy and what that is as a right wing agitator and as a provocateur and as, you know, a strategist and the most important GOP figure besides Donald Trump, arguably ever.
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Caller
And so.
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Announcer
Or right now. And so there's a lot of grappling to do.
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Caller
But to suggest that the Internet is.
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Announcer
Cheering for this is just the opposite, total opposite of what's actually happening.
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Buck Sexton
No, actually, that's from reading the Internet and that's from going on Discord and Clay. This is one of the reasons why I did it. The night, the night of the asset, meaning like we knew that he was dead that night. I just spent. I don't know how I felt like an eternity just going through blue sky. Going through blue sky. I downloaded the app. I didn't even have it on my phone because I obviously don't want to support that lunacy, but I had to see it with my own eyes. I'm telling. I mean, I know you know that.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
But thousands and thousands of people cheering, high fiving, making horrific jokes, saying horrible things about his widow. I Mean, these people are sick maniacs. And some of them, you can say, oh, they're not, you know, anchors on cnn. Some of them have a lot of followers there. There are people that have. This is something else we all need to understand. There are people online who have far more influence in political conversation. There are many of them than any of these anchors. These anchors on abc, look at their empty suits. No person under the age of 60 gives a, you know, what about what these, these, they're basically like glorified male models and, you know, female models. I mean, they have absolutely no gravitas with the public anymore. And when you see who is saying this stuff and the kind of, the kind of following they have, it's really, really disconcerting. I mean, it's pretty scary, honestly, that we have to share a country with so many psychos. There are a lot of them out there. One of the things, you know, Ezra Klein is getting all this pushback from. And I'm going to tell you, Ezra Klein has said some horrible things in the past. I just, just, I want to remind people that because I've been in this game a long time, I've got 15 years of institutional memory about conservative media and the libs and how they used to be. Right. I think it'll be 16 years this June, Clay. It's just been too long. It's wild. So Ezra Klein, I remember when they were trying, when the whole me too thing was happening, said, you know, the rape laws should be so stringent that even people who are innocent are going to get caught up in it, but that's the price we have to pay. When it came to consent and non consent, I was like, oh, so someone should have their life ruined and be considered a rapist as part of the collateral damage of the MeToo movement. He said that on TV. I remember that. So whether he apologized for it later, I don't know. But he has said some horrible things. In this case, in this case, he is saying that he, you know, in this op ed that he wrote, he said, you can just condemn a political assassination without then all this throat clearing and prefacing of, of the. Well, you know, I don't agree with everything, but, you know, he's a white nationalist supremacist and all stuff. No, you can just say we don't agree with political murder in this country. And that's actually a core value of being an American. And this is the test the left is failing. This is where Democrats are showing us who they really are in millions of cases.
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Clay Travis
Let me play one more cut too, to give you a sense. This was CNN last night. Our friend Senator Ted Cruz on with Kaitlan Collins and Caitlin Collins says, well, we don't know any motive in the Charlie Kirk killing. And it got heated from there. Listen to cut 16.
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Caller
We don't have a motive yet. We don't know yet. We're waiting. Obviously we've heard what the governors had to say with the. Of course we know we don't have a motive yet. We know we don't have a motive yet. What's happening with really that CNN's position. He just happened to fire the gun in celebration. You can't tell the motive. Senator, that's, that's not what I said. And I said law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive. They've laid out a lot of evidence here of these messages and they said that he was a left wing activist who hated Charlie Kirk. Pardon. Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law enforcement has not put a specific motive, you know, that there's a difference of what they're putting in a legal argument. They have. That's what you're talking about. And you're not even, we're not even arguing about the fact you just said is, is false. Senator. Caitlin, no, Caitlin, facts. Hold on a second. Let me answer your statement because what you said is. Senator, with all due respect, law enforcement, respect, you're so, you don't go ahead say, and I want to get back to you just laid out the fact.
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Buck Sexton
First of all, I mean this is like, this is like watching an NBA player go one on one with like, you know, a JV high school athlete. I'm just, just being honest in terms of debate and, and intellectual rigor. Clay, we watched the, we aired it.
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Clay Travis
For everybody yesterday for everybody.
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Buck Sexton
They said the explicitly said there was political motive here. Explicitly said. And CNN is still telling their audience, I'm telling Caitlin has been told to say this. Yes, the powers that be over there because the CNN audience, which I am quite familiar with, having been a, you know, cnn, you know, target for a number of years, CNN is their audience is not willing to hear what is true here because they want to believe that they're the good guys and in this case their side are the bad guys. That's the truth. Their ideas, their, oh, if you don't say the right pronouns, you're erasing somebody is tied directly to this individual's lunacy, which was the motivation for the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk.
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Clay Travis
This is. If you're wondering, this was actually during the layout of charges, the seven felony charges brought here is Utah County D A Jeff Gray. In addition to the text messages which Buck read for you in hour one that we discussed, here he is yesterday saying, suspect's mother says he had become more pro gay and trans rights oriented. This is cut 14. Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. Okay, so they tried to say, oh, he's too far right wing. Then on Saturday, Fox News breaks the story that his roommate is a man who is deciding to become a woman. And, well, we sat back and we said, ah, you know, number of Trump voters who are dating or hooking up with a man pretending to be a woman, I think a fairly small number. Maybe there's some, but there's not that many of them. And in conjunction with writing all of these slogans on the bullets as a part of the murder, and in addition to, even though it sounds suspect in some ways the text messages, there is zero doubt about what the motive is. Also, might I just add, the decision to murder someone at a free speech event while they are discussing all different sorts of issues is a sign of general animus. You know, they're still saying this about the guy who tried to kill Trump, who we remember, know virtually nothing about. Right. They're still saying right now, well, we don't really know why he did it. Let me tell you something. Just a general idea. If you prepare an assassination attempt and if you kill someone, my general proposition would be you probably are motivated by not liking the guy. I don't think there's very many assassination attempts that have been motivated by love for the person they're trying to assassinate. He hated Charlie Kirk. He hated what Charlie Kirk stood for. This is not complex.
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Buck Sexton
This would be like arguing, you know, the guy who shot Lincoln. You know, Booth. Booth was really, it was all about being an abolitionist and, and really loved the Republican Party. You'd be mocked endlessly. It's the dumbest thing imaginable. Right? That's what they are doing. Yes, they are doing that game. They are playing that script out for people and they're doing it on major news networks. By the way, I want to be clear about this too. This is a game the left always plays, Clay, where they delay it to take the impact out of the public consciousness. This is why they say, oh, we just, we don't, we don't know the motive yet. We don't know the motive yet. In six months, maybe they'll be willing to say what we've already known from the first moments. Why this? But at that point they figure there won't be the same psychological impact, and particularly on their audience, which wants to.
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Clay Travis
Believe that they're the good people.
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Buck Sexton
They want to believe that the left is where the good nice people are, even though that is where the psycho terrorist murdering people come from. Disproportionately, clearly, as compared to the right. They just, they can't process that information. Look, the left is the emotionally deranged and destabilized side of politics in America. We know this. If you have, if you have like serious emotional problems, the chance that you are, and you're. You care about politics at all or you care about any political beliefs at all, the chance that you're left wing instead of right wing, I would argue it's 5 or 10 to 1.
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Clay Travis
I think that's right. I would also point out as we go to break here, and I think this is an interesting way to think about it. Who on the left has public free speech events? You thought about this at all, Buck? We've talked about who the left wing version of Charlie Kirk would be, and you pointed out there isn't one, and I think that's accurate. But can you even think of a leftist that does public events with open microphones to debate people on issues? No, I can't even remember ever seeing that. Why would that be? Because one, I think they know their arguments are not good. Two, they, they don't want an actual marketplace. They don't want there to be actual debate. Charlie was a threat. The fact that there is no Charlie Kirk of the left is not just a coincidence. It's not a failure of the marketplace. It is a failure of the left to actually debate and embrace debate. And I would say this is what you saw in one of the few real debates we've ever had in the modern era between two strong advocates. I'm not counting Biden as a strong advocate. When Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis debated on Sean Hannity's television show, Gavin Newsom got destroyed because the facts were not on his side and he hadn't actually had to debate with anybody ever. And it's funny. We'll talk about the Stephen he did.
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Buck Sexton
Have windswept hair and that, that just winning grin that Gavin Newsom.
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Clay Travis
We were when we were walking over for the Stephen A debate. And we'll play some audio of that for you here in this hour. We met up with Emily Campagno from Fox News. She was walking with us and she was like, well, do you know, you know what kind of questions are going to be asked? And I was like, I'm not a Democrat running for president. You know, I don't get the questions in advance.
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Buck Sexton
Was a good line.
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Clay Travis
Good line. I like that one. Look, I want to tell you, two years ago, October 7th, Israel changed forever. That's the day Hamas terrorists murdered more than 1200 innocent Israelis, took 250 hostages. The pain of that day, the horror that so many of us witnessed, much of it was captured on video, will never be forgotten. It was the most brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust. Yet antisemitism is on the rise. If you're feeling helpless about how to combat it, there is something you can do. Mark this date on your calendar. Sunday, October 5th, there's a movement of love and support for the people of Israel called the Flags of Fellowship. It's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On that Sunday, millions across America will plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity with the victims of October 7, 2023 and their grieving families. You can be a part of this movement. To get more information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the fellowship online@ifcj.org that's ifcj.org you.
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Don'T know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday, hang with clay.
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Asma Khalid
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Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We have every line lit so let's get some calls here. Kathy in Florida, welcome. Hello.
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Caller
Hello.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, you're on.
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Caller
Yeah, I just have a question I don't really understand or I feel like it's foolish that we've released all the detailed information of these text messages and the detailed information of the evidence that they've found and everything. Why. Why have they released all this? I want. I feel like one. It's giving the left the fuel to be able to spin their narrative.
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Buck Sexton
Doesn't it make it harder for them to spin the narrative if the facts are out there publicly?
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Caller
Well, because of the way they're spinning it. Like this guy, you know, this. This news reporter taking sympathy for this guy's.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, well, look, he had to apologize for it. Right? So. So, look, I understand you want to be on guard against the efforts to shift the narrative from them, but I think having the. The primary source material of evidence in the case out there, I think Kash Patel on this score is doing the right thing, Clay.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, I agree. I also think this is a part of the indictment. This is how you are bringing the charges. There isn't, my understanding, a grand jury in Utah which would review all this evidence and then bring the charges they indict based on this summary detail. And they're trying to put out the evidence to make it clear why the charges are justified.
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show up in New York City right now. And last night we had a lot of events going on. Got to hang out with a bunch of advertisers, appreciate all the people who support this program. Great dinner. And before the dinner, we had a big debate. And we'll play a couple of cuts for you from that debate. Me versus Stephen A. Smith from espn. I want to hear what Buck thought about it. It's up on YouTube and up on Twitter if you're interested in watching this. About 45, 50 minutes. And I did think the tone was important in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination. I give credit to Stephen A. Smith, who has condemned unequivocally the idea that violence is the answer in any way. And we started off the discussion. Here is cut one. Whether you agree with me, whether you agree with him, whether you think both of us are morons, violence is never the answer. And good spirited debate, going after people for things you agree or disagree with is the foundation, I think, of an American republic and our democracy. I think free speech is the most important right that we have, but it can never extend into violence. And I hope that a lot of the young people out there, particularly that were struck by Charlie Kirk's public forums, I hope that they don't take the lesson that violence is the answer. And certainly if you're as old as me or Stephen A. You should know better. But if you don't, let that be a. I think a stringent and sterling call for. For civility when it comes to that.
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Buck Sexton
Somebody should give that guy a radio show, not a.
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Clay Travis
So anyway, we started there and there were a couple of things. Buck, I'm curious what stood out to you. The one thing I would say is I wish there had been. It was more of a conversation than a debate. And I wish there had been even equal time where you have two minutes or five minutes or six minutes or whatever math you want to put out there. But I'll hit a couple of things that I thought were interesting here. I've made this argument for a long time, and I actually think there should have been less politics in the NBA, for instance. And here I was telling Stephen A. There are millions of Trump voting hardcore NBA fans. Cut three. I think there are millions of Trump voting hardcore NBA fans. I don't know that Adam Silver believes that, but I think if he did, they would not have gotten as political and turned off some of those fans who say, man, I love Donald Trump and I also love the NBA. And so if you're trying to appeal to everyone, which I think the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, Major League Baseball, they all should be. Then I think you should be saying, hey, I don't care about your politics at all. I want you in our stadiums, our arenas, and we want to bring everybody together. All right, and then let's hit a couple of cuts here. I actually, I don't know if Buck agrees with me on this. I think Stephen A. Smith's going to run for president.
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Buck Sexton
I don't know why he wouldn't.
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Clay Travis
Here he is directly asked that question. Cut nine.
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Stephen A. Smith
I have no desire whatsoever to be a politician. Life is really, really good and I don't really want to compromise it at all. But I've been asked by various people, including my pastor, including people in this business and others to keep an open mind because you never know what the state of affairs in this country will be in a couple of years. And as a result, they said to me, could you at least stop saying no? Could you at least say, I'll leave the door open? Even if you are willing to admit you sincerely, 99% doubt that you would ever run for office.
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Buck Sexton
And that's one of the most I'm running for president answers I've ever heard in my life. Look, I'm amazing. My life is amazing. I don't want to deal with the nonsense of politics, but everybody needs me. So maybe I'm going to have to step up and run.
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Clay Travis
He makes $40 million a year right now, according to the New York Times report that's out today from ESPN from satellite radio. He's got a new politics channel on Sirius xm. So this would challenge your thesis, Buck, that nobody ever loses by running because I don't know if he could take his salary to 60 million a year. I don't know where you just tap out. The dollars aren't any higher. But unlike someone who say owns a company, when you work for labor, you and I work for labor. We have to show up and work. We're not just owners of companies that don't require us to be out working to give up a $40 million a year job for a $400,000 a year job, not very many people do it.
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Buck Sexton
Well, they would take him back. First of all, he's not going to win. So we're talking about really a max vanity project. Yeah, he's not going to win. So It'd be an 18 month long process that he would have to. I assume he'd have to step away from espn. I don't really know. I Think the broader part of this is I stand by my thesis, which is that people run for president now as part of a brand enhancement project. It used to be you'd have these people who would run, who had no chance, and it was always, but they're an important voice in the conversation. You know, you say, well, I don't know if like polling it, 0.3% of the national vote makes you an important voice in the conversation. Maybe it does. But now I think it's become more clear than, than ever before that people running, I mean, look like Vivek ran basically telling everybody, vote for Donald Trump. But I'm running because this is a great way to have a lot of people hear about Vivek and it worked for him. I mean, I, at the time and still uphold this thought that it was quite a strange move from the perspective of you're not going to be president like Donald Trump. If you're saying the guy that is running that everyone's going to vote for is going to be your mentor when you're president, you're accepting that he's going to be the president and you're not. But that was really the pinnacle of, or that, that reach that was peak. This is brand and attention seeking instead of, I actually am going to run at least on the right or I'm going to win rather. And I think that you'll see more and more of that. So, you know, look, Stephen, by the way, I think Stephen A. Would get some, I mean, I think he would get some support. I think he would be one of these candidates again thinking, I don't know who the Democrats are who are going to run, but, you know, I would soon think you'd see him getting in the top five, maybe the top three. The Democrats are going to have a. It's going to be a whole busload of candidates the next time around. I think that's right because again, it's, even for politicians, it's national recognition and if you can get on that debate stage. So I don't think he would be a joke candidate at all. I don't think he would win. But people said that about Donald Trump too. So you can't, you can't discount any, anybody who has charisma, some funding for themselves. You know, that makes it really a lot easier. And an insatiable willingness to put themselves out there can run for president and be taken seriously now, you know that that's where we are.
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Clay Travis
And they grabbed me saying, if Stephen A. Ran, I would run against him and kick his ass, which is very fun. And here was cut 11 from that debate. If Stephen A. Runs, I'll run and I'll kick his ass.
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Buck Sexton
All right, that's what I wanted to hear, ladies and gentlemen. All right, really quickly.
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Stephen A. Smith
No, he wouldn't. He'd get his ass kicked.
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Clay Travis
And let me tell you why.
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Stephen A. Smith
Because he's somewhat rigid. In other words, you'd appeal to your base, no doubt. But I'm more of a centrist with the capability to appeal to both sides. So he'd get a segment of the country, I'd get everything around.
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Buck Sexton
Well, let me. I actually will give a little political analysis of this here. I don't think he's familiar with your conversion, with your past, with where you've come from politically. So I think that he just thinks talk radio and assumes he would maybe be more right saying that about me. But you, you know, being like, that guy's a right wing maniac. But you look, I mean, as you've said, you. You are somebody who has had a political transformation in the last decade. And so you understand people that are now looking, people who are saying, oh, wait, the Democrat Party is insane. You can, by the way, you're not allowed to run for president. Let's just get this clear, okay? You have a job here. But I'm just saying I disagree with his political analysis of that because I think that he. Well, look, he's a great entertainer, and he was very cordial to you on that stage and very respectful. So I appreciate that. I'm not really familiar, you know, I'm one of the rare Americans, I think, who's familiar with his work really, at all, because I don't watch sports commentary. But he acquitted himself incredibly well and. And was respectful to you. But I. I think that he thinks you're more right. Like, it's not that you're not right wing, but I think that he doesn't understand the connectivity that you have to people in the center.
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Clay Travis
I think that's true. And I think there's tons of people out there listening right now that are like me. I'm willing to admit, when I'm wrong on something and I look out there and Covid was in many ways radicalizing. And I think there are a lot of people that recognize that. And then the Charlie Kirk assassination. I think there are people out there, probably tens of thousands of you, that are listening to us right now that might not have listened before. I've heard from a lot of people that just say, man, the world is more toxic than I Realized. And that is a moment of toxicity that it's almost impossible not to be thinking about on a deeper level than just what you saw.
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Buck Sexton
I would offer that the Charlie Kirk assassination aftermath, the responses that we've seen. It's not that it is radicalizing, it is clarifying. This is making it clear to everybody what the stakes are, what the stakes are, what the teams are, who stands for, what. This is giving you real clarity. Every single one of you who listens to us knows, you know, this, and God forbid this ever actually happens. If a Democrat was assassinated, we would condemn it and there would not be all this throat clearing about, oh, well, you know, Senator so and so, I don't like some of the bills that he voted for. I'm not happy that he was, you know, harmed physically or whatever. But no, we would just say that's absolutely beyond the pale. You know, the person should be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law. Part of the reality here is that doesn't happen to left wing people, and I hope it still doesn't. But we've had to deal with this now on the right numerous times and the celebration of violence against people who are on the right in this country. This is a pattern. It is far too clear. And like I said, this is the clarifying moment.
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Clay Travis
One more cut and then we'll take some of your calls or reactions as we roll into the third hour. Here was Stephen A cut four. I think he had some nice things to say about me.
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Stephen A. Smith
What I like about Clay is this Clay is the kind of person that'll pick up on that unspoken pressure that we don't allude to, and he'll bring it up, which gives you the license to say, ah, there we go. That's the question I was waiting for because folks don't really realize what I'm going through. And if more white commentators, pundits, people in positions of power, really, really understood the sensitive pressure that emanates from our communities and how they're trying to compel us to speak more about this issue, which forces us to do so, then you'd have a greater understanding as to why folks choose to address those subjects.
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Clay Travis
What I would say too, in response to that is it's actually some of the white guys in the NBA that are the most outspoken politically. Steve Kerr, Gregg Popovich, and I just think it's a bad look for the NBA. All right, one other thing, Buck, couple of things we didn't have full back and forth. We got into a discussion and you and I talked about this Afterwards about the Washington Redskins name. And Stephen A. Said, well, if Native Americans have decided that name's offensive, I think they should get to make that choice. We've talked about this quite a lot on the program, but I didn't say it during the discussion because it didn't circle back to me. There's not a clarity or a consistency necessarily from the Native American community about the Redskins moniker, about that nickname. In fact, there are lots of Native Americans who saw it as a symbol of honor, much like the Florida State Seminoles is seen as a symbol of honor. And both the Cleveland Indians, the, the Washington Redskins, they came after the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs. It doesn't end. And I think it's not definitive that everybody who's Native American has the same opinion. In fact, there are some studies that suggest that Native Americans actually see the Redskins name and the logo as somewhat beneficial or a positive reflection of their. Overall, it's really straightforward.
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Buck Sexton
Do you name teams about things that you respect, think are cool and love, or do you name teams about things that you demeanor. We all know, you know, same thing with like Apache helicopters and the Comanche system and all this, the G Cherokee, is that, is that out of respect for the warrior culture that those, those peoples had or is it, is it meant to, you know, defame and demean them? This is very straightforward.
- [38:39]
Clay Travis
Yeah, I think that's well said.
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Buck Sexton
Of course, in the sports context, the same thing. We cheer for sports teams. We're not laughing at the sports teams.
- [38:46]
Clay Travis
You don't want to denigrate your sports team. So I think it as a, a name of honor. But we'll take some of your calls and continue to update you. We should mention as well, for those of you out there looking at mortgages or concerned about the rates of interest that you are paying, expectation that at the top of the next hour we will get an announcement from the Fed again, expectations that interest rates are going to be cut a quarter point, maybe even a half point. We will update you here in about 15 minutes when that news officially comes down the line. In the meantime, we've been up in New York running around like crazy all hours, meetings everywhere. Chalk can help keep you so that your body is running on a great level. In fact, male vitality stack makes a huge difference. We've got some chad mode in here from chalk and the male vitality stack includes ingredients that replenish diminished testosterone levels in men. That's your body's natural source of energy, testosterone. When levels are low. And every guy experiences this as he ages. Chalk's mail Vitality stack can replenish it by 20% in just three months time. If you're looking them up right now, they spell the company name with a Q as in c h o q dot com. That's chalk. Go online to chalk.com my name Clay for a massive discount on any subscription for life. You can cancel at any time without any penalty. No worries at all. Check it out today. Put some testosterone back in your life. Don't be a white dude for Harris or a black dude for Harris or a Hispanic dude for Harris or an Asian dude for Harris. Be a Trump voter with energy. Chalk.comchoq.com My name Clay to get hooked.
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Buck Sexton
Up today, news and politics, but also.
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Clay Travis
A little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
We have not. We need coffee.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Yes, indeed it does.
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Buck Sexton
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Caller
Hi. I love your show, guys.
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Buck Sexton
Thank you.
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Caller
I think you're onto something with the, with the text. It sounds almost. I thought about it earlier this morning. It sounds like a script for somebody inside of a bank robbery. They've called 911 and they don't want to. They want to give their location away, you know. Oh, yes. Mr. Robert, I'll put my hands in the air here at the US bank at 9th and 12. It just seems weird.
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Buck Sexton
We're with you, Jay. It just seems. That's the way to describe it. Totally agree. It just seems weird. It's off to be concerned. As I said. Jason, I think you probably heard this. Why would you be concerned about the evidence left behind? First of all, he didn't do a good job at all of like not leaving behind evidence. But why would you be concerned about that but then script out the entire thing online where you're confessing? It makes no sense.
- [45:32]
Clay Travis
I just. Why would you not have a phone call if you want more.
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Buck Sexton
More intimate. Anyway, we're talking.
- [45:38]
Clay Travis
This is his lover. That's what I'm saying. If you're trying to convey information of a sensitive nature. How often at work do you sometimes see. Let's meet in person about this.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Instead of putting it in an email. Why would you text all this stuff unless you wanted there to be a written record?
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Buck Sexton
Let's play BB here. Don from California listens on Kib the Patriot. Hit it. Play. Go ahead and play around with it. But do not run, man. You guys are on this show and we love you guys. We don't want to lose. But. And plus, you know, you. You already made your money down and I know. But you can play around with it. But don't run, Clay. All right? We. Don't worry, Don. We're not letting him run. It's not happening. Laura Travis is going to put the kibosh on that.
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Clay Travis
Laura Travis is very anti me being involved in any political office office. So you. For better or worse, you got me here when we come back. By the way, Fed news expected on interest rates. We should have it for you right off the top. Next.
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Asma Khalid
America is changing and so is the world.
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Tristan Redman
But what's happening in America is isn't just the cause of global upheaval. It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
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Asma Khalid
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Tristan Redman
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Asma Khalid
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Tristan Redman
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Clay Travis
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