Hour 2 - Congressman Jim Jordan

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show: Hour 2 – Congressman Jim Jordan

Date: December 3, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This hour features Congressmen Jim Jordan joining Clay Travis and Buck Sexton to discuss the Republican agenda in Congress, upcoming priorities, economic frustrations among Americans, health care reforms, repercussions from the government shutdown, the culture war with Democrats, immigration issues highlighted by the Minneapolis Somali community, and more. The hosts maintain their signature mix of serious political insight, personal anecdotes, and jovial banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Congressional Priorities and Legislative Agenda

Timestamps: 03:16 – 05:48

• Health Care Reform:

  • Jordan wants the GOP to focus on lowering health care premiums "not by further subsidizing Obamacare," but by encouraging "choice and competition."

    “Subsidies typically don't bring down costs. In fact, they normally drive cost up. The better approach is choice and competition, which is what we want to do.”
    — Congressman Jim Jordan (04:29)

  • Health Savings Accounts, association health plans, and flexible options for families are being considered.

• Other Legislative Items:

  • Today’s bill on college sports, looming government funding deadlines, possible second reconciliation package.
  • Emphasis on the GOP's record: border security, tax cuts, and President Trump’s international successes.

2. Looking to Campaign Season 2026

Timestamps: 05:48 – 07:17

• Switch to Campaign Mode:
  • Clay asks Jordan when campaign season "officially starts." Jordan says the August Congressional recess is the traditional pivot point but observes “we’re in a perpetual campaign” due to constant political attacks.

    “It’s almost perpetual... In some ways it feels like it’s never stopped.”
    — Congressman Jim Jordan (06:31)

3. Economic Concerns: Inflation and Affordability

Timestamps: 07:17 – 11:48

• Persistently High Prices:

  • Buck and Jim discuss chronic inflation, the slow effect of Biden-era spending, and the enduring frustration Americans feel even as inflation rates cool.

    “Bringing [prices] down—very tough. Even keeping them static would seem to be, in some ways, a challenge.”
    — Buck Sexton (07:17)

  • Jordan reiterates that choice and market competition are key to health care cost reductions, and touts Republican-implemented tax cuts.

• Relatability of High Prices:

  • Clay uses “the Chick Fil A test” — pointing out how restaurant costs shock ordinary Americans.

• Will Voters Feel Change By Election Day?

  • Clay and Jim discuss whether improvements will register with voters by 2026.

    “Will it register with enough people by the time we get to November of next year? That’s my biggest concern...”
    — Clay Travis (10:29)

  • Jordan is optimistic but stresses the need to “tell people what the other side wants to do” as Democrats push left-wing policies.

4. Democrats, Shutdowns, and Lessons Learned

Timestamps: 11:48 – 14:18

• Shutdown Strategy:
  • Buck asks if Democrats learned from the recent government shutdown.
  • Jordan believes they have not—“the left controls their party” and will “double down on that.”

    “So I do not think they’ve learned anything because again, remember, the left controls their party... That’s the control and the energy in the party.”
    — Congressman Jim Jordan (12:20)

  • Takes a jab at Tennessee Democrats for running too far left-wing candidates even in red districts.

5. Top Priorities for House Republicans in 2026

Timestamps: 14:18 – 15:56

• Fundamental Governance:
  • Jordan stresses the importance of simply "doing our job": passing the budget, following proper appropriations procedures, and avoiding “shutdown talk.”
  • Specific legislative priority: FISA Reauthorization. Jordan emphasizes protecting Fourth and First Amendment rights amid concerns about government surveillance.

    “We need to focus on protecting the Fourth Amendment, your First Amendment liberties, making sure those are strong protections in place... That’s an important element that we have to get right”
    — Congressman Jim Jordan (15:39)

6. Lighter Banter and Listener Interactions

Timestamps: 21:49 – 29:51

• Man Card Teasing:
  • After a string of listener emails and calls, Buck’s love of cozy blankets, crème brulee, guns, and his “nursing home tendencies” become fodder for playful ridicule.

    “My man card is in kind of jeopardy right now. I never put those all together. It’s fair.”
    — Buck Sexton (22:31)

  • Buck regales listeners with a story about a fly-fishing trip in bear country, trying to “win back his man card.”

7. Minneapolis Somali Fraud Scandal & Immigration Debate

Timestamps: 29:51 – 39:34

• Trump’s Comments on Somali Community:

  • Buck plays a recent Trump sound bite about massive welfare fraud in Minnesota’s Somali community.

    “I hear they ripped off — Somalians — ripped off that state for billions of dollars... The welfare is like 88%. They contribute nothing. I don’t want them in our country.”
    — Donald Trump (played at 30:23)

  • The hosts discuss the feeding program fraud, the inability of authorities to prevent or detect such a large scheme, and the moral depravity of defrauding programs meant for hungry children.

    “To steal under the guise of charity... is particularly grotesque, right?”
    — Buck Sexton (32:19)

• Broader Assimilation and Crime Issues:

  • Buck and Clay debate the challenges of cultural assimilation among recent immigrants, referencing the situation in the UK’s Rotherham abuse scandal as a cautionary parallel.
  • Clay highlights a legal defense in a Minnesota case that invoked “lack of assimilation” as a defense for a Somali immigrant accused of child rape.

    “What you’re saying is the culture completely condones 12 year old sex in Somalia.”
    — Clay Travis (37:15)

  • Buck and Clay argue that willingness to ignore such issues for fear of appearing xenophobic or racist has real costs for communities.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Health Care Reform:

  “Subsidies typically don’t bring down costs. In fact, they normally drive cost up. The better approach is choice and competition, which is what we want to do.”
  — Rep. Jim Jordan (04:29)

• On Perpetual Campaign Mode:

  “It’s almost perpetual. I don’t know if it’s necessarily good or bad, but certainly the traditional time frame is next summer. But I think it probably gets here a little sooner. And with the Democrats and their constant attack on the president, in some ways it feels like it’s never stopped.”
  — Rep. Jim Jordan (06:31)

• On High Prices:

  “I ordered, I had Chick Fil A with my kids yesterday. The amount I have to pay for Chick Fil A, it blows my mind every time I do it. Everyone out there knows what that feeling is.”
  — Clay Travis (09:38)

• On the Left’s Control of the Democratic Party:

  “The left controls their party and the left was adamantly opposed to opening up the government... So I think the lesson is we’re just going to keep pushing ahead with all the left wing policies.”
  — Rep. Jim Jordan (13:00)

• On Government Surveillance:

  “I just found out two weeks ago that Jack Smith and his team were getting my phone records, spying and surveilling me for two and a half years... That’s creepy, but that’s what they were doing.”
  — Rep. Jim Jordan (15:36)

• On Somali Fraud and Assimilation:

  “To steal under the guise of charity, specifically a charity feeding needy children, is particularly grotesque, right?... And then there’s also how much of this was able to continue because people in a Democrat state like Minneapolis just felt uncomfortable... it will look racist, it will look xenophobic. I don’t want to touch this.”
  — Buck Sexton (32:19, 33:41)

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Topic | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------| | 03:16 | Congressman Jim Jordan joins; Congressional agenda| | 04:29 | Health care reform, choice vs. subsidy | | 06:31 | When campaign season 2026 begins | | 08:04 | Buck raises issue of stubborn inflation | | 09:38 | Clay’s “Chick Fil A” test on cost-of-living | | 12:20 | Shutdown politics, lessons learned/not learned | | 15:39 | FISA reauthorization & government surveillance | | 22:31 | Buck loses (then fights to regain) his “man card” | | 29:51 | Somali fraud scandal in Minneapolis & Trump quote | | 32:19 | Discussion on scale and depravity of charity fraud| | 35:48 | Assimilation, legal & cultural gaps (Somali case) |

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, and direct: The hosts maintain humor, break down complex topics to relatable analogies, and aren't afraid to stake strong positions.
• Critical of left/Democrats: Especially regarding spending, immigration, and “woke” cultural policies.
• Detail-oriented: Citing data, personal anecdotes, and referencing foreign policy implications.

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Conclusion

This episode’s second hour delivers a substantive look into the GOP’s top issues heading toward 2026, the economic frustrations of ordinary Americans, the cultural and political trenches of the ongoing “perpetual campaign,” and charged debates over immigration and assimilation. Congressman Jim Jordan offers a clear conservative perspective on legislative priorities, the dangers of unchecked government surveillance, and the challenges of conveying political progress to a restless electorate. Interwoven throughout are the show’s hallmark exchanges—personal, humorous, and sharply opinionated—making the conversation relevant and engaging even for those who missed the episode.

Transcript

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[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Good to be with you guys. Thanks for all you do. Buck, congratulations. Congratulations. I've seen the athletic prowess, the hundred miles per hour serve that you are championing and putting out there for the entire planet to view. So I stand corrected. I've seen it now multiple times.

[Buck Sexton]

You're, you're, you're a big man to come on the air and admit that you were among the doubters. There were some doubters out there. Jim was very supportive of me in general, Clay, but a doubter. And it was 103 miles an hour, but, you know, who's counting? So I appreciate that especially.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

From somebody with, with the athletic background that you have, being like a state champion wrestler. I appreciate that. Easier for people to judge. A lot of people in the cheap seat saying, hey, middle aged guy, Buck, stay with Call of Duty. I still got some juice in this arm. I still got some juice in this arm. All right, Congressman, thank you, thank you for that. You're, you're a good man. Now tell us, what are you guys in the Congress while you still have the majority? Let's hope that continues for, well, through the rest of this administration and beyond. What are you trying to get done by the end of, of this, this session? Because it's coming upon us very quickly. What's top of the agenda?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, I do think, you know, because the Democrats raised this issue, they shut the government down, you know, for 43 days, a month and a half, I think, largely to go after President Trump. But they, they, they said their stated reason was it was about health care. I do think it makes sense for us to look at ways to bring down premiums, but it's not a further subsidy of Obamacare. I learned a long time ago subsidies typically don't bring down costs. In fact, they normally drive cost up. The better approach is choice and competition, which is what we want to do. So we're looking to put together a health care package. The speaker was talking about this yesterday on health savings accounts, association health plans, giving families the ability to purchase kind of plan that fits their needs. Younger families don't need some of the same coverage that older Americans need. So there's ways to do that I think makes sense. And so we're looking to do that. Of course, this we've got we got a big bill on the floor today that we'll be speaking on later this afternoon on college sports. We got the January 30 issue on funding the government and a host of other things. I think, frankly, we got to make a decision on we're going to do a second reconciliation package or not, because the first one I thought was great. And it's going to, I think, starting to have impact on our economy. But all those are things that I think we need to focus on getting done here for the American people and build on the great record we've seen with securing the border, cut in taxes and some of the success that President Trump has had on the international scene as well.

[Clay Travis]

When you look ahead to 2026, we've had the last win, thankfully, in my congressional district here. Matt Van Epp is going to be joining you as a colleague. And I know Speaker Johnson was on with us earlier this week campaigning for him. When do you think in your mind the pivot to the official start of the 2026 election becomes? And the reason why I'm asking is, you know, we're finishing 2025. This is the last of all those races happened last night. Is it August in your mind, where it officially flips to campaign season? You've been through a lot of these.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

When to you does the campaign really start next year?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, largely it's when we when, you know, Congress has this historic break in the month of August. So that's sort of the traditional time where, okay, now it's just full tilt politics until the November election. But, you know, you guys know this. I mean, you're on the radio, you're talking to this huge audience every day. We're pretty much in the perpetual campaign. I mean, it's like, you know, no sooner is one race done till they're already talking about the next one. And then the states that have the off year elections like New Jersey and Virginia. And so it's, it's almost perpetual. I don't know if it's necessarily good or bad, but certainly the traditional time frame is next summer. But I think it probably gets here a little sooner. And with the Democrats and their constant attack on the president, in some ways it feels like it's never stopped.

[Buck Sexton]

What's the way to actually Deal with affordability for the administration and for the Congress to the degree that it's even possible. I mean, there's the structural issues, Congressman, of, of the inflation that we have, the, the trillion spent under Biden that spiked us to a 40 year high in inflation. Still trying to deal with that prices though, bringing them down very tough, even keeping them static would seem to be in some ways a challenge. Depends on what we're talking about. But health care specifically, it's just completely out of control. I mean, anybody who looks at their premiums now versus their premiums a decade ago, I mean, you go back to the beginnings of Obamacare really a decade and a half ago, and people's premiums have gone up two or three times monthly premiums.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

And they told us, remember, they told us, you like your plan, you can keep your plan, you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. And premiums will go down. They were 0 for 3. And now what Democrats are saying, oh, the expanded credit, the expanded subsidy in the Obamacare plan that we want to give to insurance companies, we want to, we want to extend that. Well, how does that make any sense? And how is that going to bring down costs and make things more affordable? It's not. So you got to go back to what I said. Choice and competition bring down costs. Let's focus on that in health care. Let's also look at the fact that these taxing cuts that we had in the big beautiful bill are just now starting to kick in. I think that I think they're going to have pay real dividends for American families as we move into 26 and we get closer to the election. I think that will help us politically, certainly will help families in a real way, help our economy, but also help us politically. I think all that is going to improve. And then finally the last point I make, and you were saying this buck, it was so bad under Biden, the spending inflation was off the charts. Nine percent was like going crazy levels, record levels of inflation, never seen those levels before. President Trump and Republicans bring it down significantly, but things still cost too much. When you have that, the curve is going straight up and you bring the curve down to almost flat, it's still way too high. So it's going to take a while for the big beautiful bill, the tax cuts, the regulatory reform that we had in there to really impact. And we can do some good things on health care, I think we can bring down cost even more. We're seeing at the gas pump right now, lower price and everything else. But I think that's how it has to play out. And I think it can, as we move into next year, move in and get closer to the election.

[Clay Travis]

I think you hit on the signature issue that's going to be out there in 2026 or talking to Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio. And that is people are just frustrated with what things cost. And it went up so fast under Joe Biden that even if you start to bring back sanity to pricing, the prices still feel like too much. I mean, I ordered, I had Chick Fil A with my kids yesterday. The amount I have to pay for Chick Fil A, it blows my mind every time I do it. Everyone out there knows what that feeling is. When you go to buy something and in your head it feels like it should cost 20 bucks and instead it costs 30. Everybody knows that feeling. And I use the analogy, Congressman, of back when the same thing happened with Jimmy Carter, Reagan. It took a while for people to stabilize there.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Great point. We were talking about the same thing yesterday. Great point.

[Clay Travis]

Will it register with enough people by the time we get to November of next year? That's my biggest concern, because I think by 28, it will. By 26, I'm not sure.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's the, you know, that's the big question. I think it will. I'm confident. One of my colleagues, excuse me, one of my colleagues said yesterday he thinks when the, when, you know, the big, beautiful bill really kicks in, he thinks it will have that kind of impact. And he's sharp guy, is on the Budget Committee. I mean, understand this stuff. So I tend to think it will. And I'm always the optimist about these, these good policies that we put in place. So let's hope so. I think so. But we'll just have to see. And we're gonna have to go out and tell people. And remember, campaigns aren't just about that. They're also about telling you, telling voters what the other side wants to do. Never forget, I've said this many times, not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls their party is. And they're the party that says we want to defund the police, which is crazy. They're the party that says men should compete against women in sports, which is crazy. They're the party that says we shouldn't have a border, should just be wide open, which we saw for four years. That is crazy. So we gotta highlight those things as well, and then point to the positives that we've accomplished that make life better for families across this country. That's how the campaign's gonna unfold, in my judgment. And I think we're gonna have a pretty good story to tell.

[Buck Sexton]

Congressman, do you think that Democrats, after the longest shutdown, the complete own goal of the shutdown, but do you think that they have politically learned a lesson from this? As in this isn't something they want to try again? Or what do you think? I mean, looking at the way that they operated then and what you're hearing now, being up on Capitol Hill and obviously having to work with Democrats on a whole range of things and deal with them, what's their takeaway from all of that? What do you think they're going to do going forward with continuing resolutions? Like, how are they going to play.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

It well, how they're going to play January 30th? Who knows, they might try it again, but I do not think they've learned any quote from lesson. In a way, we would really, I think, wow. I think look at Chuck Schumer. Six months ago he voted for the cr and this time he wouldn't. He let people who were retiring or others in safer seats who weren't up for reelection, whether they could vote for it to open back up the government. So I don't think they've learned anything because again, remember, the left controls their party and the left was adamantly opposed to opening up the government. The left is the left in the Democrat Party were the people who persuaded them to shut down the government. So the left controls that party. That's where all the energy is. That's the mom, Donnie, wing that in the aoc. Wing that. That's the control and the energy in the party. So I do not think, I think they're going to double down on that. I mean, they ran in a district in Tennessee, Mad Band Epps, great guy, West Point grad, helicopter pilot, wonderful family, good guy. We endorse that guy early. Great guy, great candidate. They ran the what, The AOC of Tennessee. This is Tennessee, for goodness sake. And you're talking about some left wing person is going to win a seat in Tennessee that's got a bunch of rural counties around Nashville. Like, that makes no sense. But that's today's left. So I think the lesson is we're just going to keep pushing ahead with all the left wing policies.

[Clay Travis]

What else is out there? We should know, Jim, as we get ready and we get a lot of questions about, hey, you know, we know that we're going to have control of the House and the Senate for one more year, right? Until you guys take your recess in the summer to start the campaign season. And we know that if we lose the House, President Trump's probably going to get impeached for a third time. And you know better than anybody that stuff will drag, debt drag on. It'll be very difficult to get anything passed. What to you is the most important thing that can be passed in the next year, that, that that's your top priority or that you think should be the top priority of the Republican Party?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, I'll mention two things. One person, just more general. I just think we should do our job. I mean, there hasn't been a budget passed. The budget sets the framework for doing the appropriations. I think we should do our job, pass the budget, moving the appropriations, fund the government, follow the process that's tried and true versus all these CRS and all these shutdown talk and everything else. So just do our job, show up at committee, focus on good policy, get the kind of healthcare that gives choice and competition versus more subsidies that they want to do under Obamacare. So I think that's sort of in a general sense. Second, I do think when you look at the weaponization of government over the last years that we've, that we've all been a part of and seen and uncovered, I do think we have this FISA reauthorization coming up in the spring. I think it's important we get that right and protect Americans liberties. I mean, I just found out two weeks ago that Jack Smith and his team were getting my phone records, spying and surveilling me for two and a half years. They knew who I called, who called me when they called me, how long the call lasted. If I initiated the call, they knew where I was at when I initiated the call. You talk about patterning someone's life. You figure out every morning, Clay or Buck, you call, you text your wife when you go to work, you call at this time, you call your brother, you call your colleague Clay. Like they can pattern all that. That's creepy, but that's what they were doing. And so I do think with this FISA reauthorization, we need to focus on protecting the fourth Amendment, your First Amendment liberties, making sure those are strong protections in place. Because that's our system, that's the Constitution, that's the Bill of Rights, and that's what we need to do. So I think that's an important element that we have to get right that comes up for reauthorization this coming April. And it's in this, you know, right in Our committee, of course.

[Clay Travis]

Awesome. Well, we appreciate the time.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

You bet. Thanks, guys. Thanks for all the good work you do. Buck, congratulations. I'll be watching.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Next year.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you. I appreciate the congrats, especially because my.

[Clay Travis]

Shoulder is still a little sore.

[Buck Sexton]

But that's a conversation for another time. Old man Sexton over here. Thank you. Congressman Jordan.

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[Clay Travis]

Land welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you as we are rolling through the program. We Got a bunch of talkbacks here. Let's get some of these talkbacks. Also VIP emails. Kathy says, Clay and Buck, because of you, we had a Tennessee win yesterday. I'm in Utah, prayed so hard. It's truly because of your word getting out and making sure we knew about this special vote. Thank you for all you do. Super nice. Alan says. Just want to let Clay know, had it not been for me listening to your show, I wouldn't have known Clarksville, Tennessee was in the district I voted first thing yesterday. Harassed my wife to go vote to keep this psycho from representing me. I had to edit, had to edit live on the air there. Buck psycho, in other words, from representing me and my family. Million thanks. I honestly thought this was Nashville, only I never get notifications from the election people that this crazy lady would be representing me if this had ended up differently. Keep up the great work. And he says he loves living in Tennessee.

Stephen in Spokane. We have a great audience in Spokane, Washington. A lot of people sane there who have fled from, from Seattle. He says that Buck, he says you don't have many man cards left.

[Buck Sexton]

Ff agree with the caller about Buck's man card. I mean, Cream brulee, get off my lawn, no noise in the neighborhood. Father in law has to fix everything. Self driving cars are great, but he does have one positive, he loves guns.

[Clay Travis]

It's true.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I, I gotta expand the gun collection to offset some of this. I gotta say, that's a pretty compelling list that guy just pulled together.

[Clay Travis]

Regular listener. He's on top of things.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I think if this was like an Oxford Club debate or, you know, Oxford debate thing that they do, I'm like, I don't know. I'm going with that guy. He's my man card is in kind of jeopardy right now. I, I never put those all together. It's fair.

[Clay Travis]

Chris in Tampa Bay, he's also weighing in. GG.

[Buck Sexton]

Hey guys. Awesome show.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Merry Christmas to everyone.

[Buck Sexton]

And yeah, I got to go with the, with the obvious awesome truck driver. Mr. Sexton. I've been in Florida all my life. I'm 53 years old and the only people that have blankets wrapped around their feet in the whole state of Florida is you and people in nursing home. Come on, bud, step it up a little bit. Look, you know, I'm still adjusting the temperature changes here. Could be, could be a bit, a bit extreme. But you know, I've just, I just love my cozy blanket from cozy earth. What can I tell you?

[Clay Travis]

The bl I will defend Buck in this way. Yes, he has many nursing home tendencies, although he has better hearing than many of the people there. True, but the cozy earth blankets are unbelievable. And you know what else is unbelievable? How much you can win if we're right on this one. Bucks guy, George Pickles. George Pickens, he's turning into one of the best receivers in the NFL. More than 77 and a half receiving yards. Jameer Gibbs, more than 76 and a half rushing yards. Josh Allen, more than 228 and a half passing yards. And Jamar Chase, more than 90 and a half receiving yards. If I'm correct in that prizepix.com code play five dollars will turn into thirty dollars and you will be able to have some fun. If you play $5, you get $50 deposited in your account. You can play in California. You're listening to us out there right now. You can play in Texas, you can play in Florida, you can play in Georgia. 40 plus states, 30 mil 13 million people are playing. You can get hooked up right [e-mail] use code CLAY. You can also download the Prizepix app. You're going to love it. It's lots of fun. Take advantage of all the fun. Play along with [e-mail] Code Clay welcome.

[Buck Sexton]

Back into Clay and Buck. I want to dive into what Trump has said about the Somali community in Minneapolis here in just a second. Getting a lot of attention on this. But first up, I just, I just have to because this is going to be fun. We have, as you know, we have robust audience in all 50 states. But I'm particularly pleased because it just shows how cool it is at radio. People can listen to us in Alaska on the radio and they do, including Pam who listens on Ken i6 650 Keni up in Anchorage. And this is what she had to say. HH okay, Buck, you're, you're trying my patience a little bit here.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

So last week I was wounded by your cobbler hatred. And on behalf of the entire state.

[Buck Sexton]

Of Alaska, who goes, you know, weeks in sub zero weather, stop. Just stop with your blankie and your air conditioning. Look, sometimes the air conditioning is really whistling over here in south Florida and I'm wearing shorts and a T shirt all the time because that's just as one does here. But I will, for our Alaska listeners, Clay, I will put this out there. It is my understanding that if you rub your hands together and blow on them a few times, that can help or perhaps Alaskans take your hands, put them in your armpits, let them Warm up a little bit and then it'll be just like South Florida. Ball me.

[Clay Travis]

Perfect. I need to. I've said this before, I'm going to take a trip. You've been. Cause in fact with your dad, when we were out to dinner recently.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Your brother was complaining about you guys getting dropped off and grizzly bears and everything else on your family trip to, to Alaska where your dad just kind of took you into the wild.

[Buck Sexton]

I will tell the quick, the quick version of the story is that we actually, I mean now this is going to sound a little, a little frou frouy, but we, we had these little very small helicopters that would drop us off for fly fishing in some streams in some areas. And you could see in these streams because you're up in the. There's no roads, there's nowhere to get here. This was off the Kenai Peninsula, I think it was. This is now going back 2009. So I got to go into the memory here a bit. But when we landed, we just landed to do some fly fishing. But the only way to get in and out was helicopter. And we were told via radio, oh, you guys, there's a big, like a storm came in suddenly. You may have to just hang out. And then they were like, you may have to. Overnight we had nothing. We had no food, we had no packs, we had nothing.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

So.

[Buck Sexton]

And there were grizzly bears all over the place. Now they're. The good thing is the grizzly bears are just eating salmon and creating a lot of blubber for themselves, for hibernation. So the grizzly bears are actually in a very good mood. But they're still large and have teeth and claws and they could get annoyed at you. We had a couple of 50 cal handguns among us, but the guides who had been one of our guides had actually been a marine in Fallujah and was. Was a great dude. He was just like, look man, 50 cal. Like it's better to try to scare the bear away. And also if you shoot a bear in Alaska and it's not in physical, you can't prove that it was actually attacking you. It treated like a murder investigation. I mean state authorities got to be like, you absolutely cannot just be like, I thought the bear was. It basically has to be mauling you and then you can defend yourself. So he's like, it's better if you had to. You want to shoot in the air and try to scare it away because he's like a handgun.50 cal with a full grown grizzly bear charging good Luck, it doesn't stop.

[Clay Travis]

In other words, like it just keeps coming. Yeah. And I think again, I've never been. I need to go. But because they're.

[Buck Sexton]

It was the S&W 500, by the way. For any of you who are wondering, that's we were carrying revolvers.

[Clay Travis]

So.

A lot of people have to travel in Alaska and helicopter and plane because there aren't roads in the same way that there are for many other parts. Such a voluminous and expansive place.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not going to lie. I'm also desperately trying to get back my man card here after that other guy with his devastating salvo of man card violations. Clay, when he put them all out there, I was like, man, that is kind of rough. So, you know, sometimes I go grizzly bear, grizzly bear fishing or fishing near grizzly bears and do man stuff, you know what I mean?

[Clay Travis]

So you're gonna watch a ton of videos of you shooting things like that. Your, your social media accounts from this weekend.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm getting out the bazooka. I'm taking out the full auto this weekend. I gotta make up for some things here. But you and Laura, in all seriousness, and the boys, Alaska, I mean, we went in summer, but Alaska, it's amazingly beautiful and the star sea is incredible. I actually thought the seeing moose was really, was really cool too. They're so much bigger than you think. When you even get close enough to have some understanding of them, they're absolutely incredible. All right, all right, back to politics, back to Trump. Sorry about that little, little diversion there. Try to rack up a couple of man card points for me.

We have Trump weighing in on the Somali fraud story. Listen to what the President said. I'm just going to let you hear it. This is cut 10. When I watch what is happening in Minnesota, the land of a thousand lakes, or however many lakes they have, they got a lot of lakes, but this beautiful place. And I see these people ripping it off and now I'm understanding and you're going to look into that. Scott, I hear they ripped off Somalians, ripped off that state for billions of dollars.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Billions every year, billions of dollars.

[Buck Sexton]

And they contribute nothing. The Welfare is like 88%. They contribute nothing. I don't want them in our country. I'll be honest with you. Okay? Somebody said, oh, that's not politically correct. I don't care. I don't want them in our country. Their country is no good for a reason.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Their country stinks.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, as you can imagine, the anti Trump media, the Democrats, they are all in it all in a tizzy about what Trump said here.

[Clay Travis]

This is interesting. The popular. I'm reading from our friend, he has a great account at Maze. More literally, this popped up as we're talking about this.

During a 20 month period, the feeding our future scammers billed for over 125 million fake meals. Think about this population of Minnesota. He says about 6 million people and only 1.3 million people are under the age of 18. So we're not talking when you're billing for 125 million fake meals, some of the fake kid names they came up with were Man, Sincere and John Doe. I mean this is this. The, the scale of this fraud should have been so easy to catch because according to this, 125 million meals. Wouldn't you have sat back and said, I mean, just think about the sheer scale that of volume of food you would need to have to prepare 125 million meals.

[Buck Sexton]

There's, I have many thoughts on this. One is to steal under the guise of charity, specifically a charity feeding needy children.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Is particularly grotesque, right?

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, it's, it's bad and you'll go to prison for a long time for defrauding the federal government for, for Medicare or Medicaid or something. But to say, hey, give me all this money, I'm pretending to feed needy children. Right. There's something particularly gross and particularly detestable about that. That's, that's, you know, one aspect of this. And then there's also, I think, the recognition, Clay, that of course, the Somali community in Minneapolis. And we'll get to Jacob, I think it's Mayor Frey. Is it Jacob? Jacob Frey, I forget his name. Yes, that's right.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

The mayor of Minneapolis here in a second who now starts speaking Somali in government, you know, meetings and public announcements. Not very well, I would guess, but he does speak Somali. There's a political constituency now in that state that operates as a unit. And this is what happened. This is an assimilation, ok? This is something much more akin to a fifth Column. This is a group operating as a. You give us what we want specifically and in this case, a group that is operating with a percentage. I understand it's only, you know, a small number overall of the, of the group, but billions of dollars of criminality that, you know, how many people actually touched that money. You start to look at it, it would be interesting. And Clay, then there's also how much of this was able to continue because people in a Democrat state like, like Minneapolis just felt uncomfortable with what was going on with the Somali community. Meaning it will look racist, it will look xenophobic. I don't want to touch this. One of the most horrific examples of this phenomenon of a foreign immigrant group that people don't want to address. The criminality going, going on was in. Was Rotherham. And in the UK where you had a pack, you had these Pakistani child rape gangs that were operating. And when they went back, this was just a few years ago, and when they went back and they kept girls, little girls and their parents, 12, 13 years old, were going into the police and saying that this is what happened to me. And the police when they finally, this became too much of an issue. And by the way, the US Media did not spend nearly enough time on this. Rotherham is the really infamous case. That's the name of the town, the city. Clay, you know what they were saying? Well, we didn't want this to reflect badly. The police were saying we didn't want this to reflect badly on the broader Pakistani, British community.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Is that phenomenon alive and well here? That same idea of, well, we don't want to enforce the law because people will realize we got a real problem in the Somali community in Minneapolis. I think Trump certainly thinks that's real.

[Clay Travis]

Well, one of the defenses that's going on, they have a child rape allegation case. That's that I was reading about in Somali in a Somali immigrant in Minnesota. And the defense that is being offered on his behalf, did you see this? Is he hasn't really assimilated yet to American culture and he's still. Still participating in Somali culture, which means sex with 12 year olds is considered standard behavior in Somalia. And so this to me goes to the culture of the people that we are actually bringing to this country. And again, this is why I don't think there's a historical.

[Buck Sexton]

This also came up, by the way, in the UK with those Pakistani rape. They call them grooming gangs. I don't, I think that term is, is way too, you know, sort of sanitized. They're rape gangs. There were child rape gangs that were operating and when they would say, well, in Pakistan, I mean, there effectively is no. I mean the age of consent is not enforced and it doesn't really exist. Right. So they were saying, well, meaning the police, everyone, the police in the UK were like, well, to be fair, it's like, no, you're in the UK and these are children and you're supposed to defend them. They should be the first people to be defended in a civilized place. Clay, the fact that that's even being brought up here in America is pretty, pretty shocking and horrifying. Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

And again, I think it goes to why there's not a great historical analogy in play here to people who say, well, we've always had a, you know, massive immigration policy. Go back to Ellis island, look at what's written on the Statue of Liberty. The people who came to America in the late 1800s and the early 1900s, that huge wave of immigration were coming from Western civilization. They are culturally similar. Yes. There is a corresponding degree of agreement because it comes out of a Judeo Christian culture with what should be considered acceptable in the world that doesn't exist. When you're talking about the defense being offered for a Somali individual in the United States who is accused of raping a 12 year old, the defense is, well, he hasn't assimilated enough to American culture. What you're saying is the culture completely condones 12 year old sex in Somalia.

[Buck Sexton]

This is, I mean, this is a thing that I'll tell you. In Afghanistan, a lot of our soldiers who worked very closely with the indigenous forces and some of the indigenous elements there, one of the terrible things that they would become aware, you know, they weren't the police force of Afghanistan, so to speak. What they become aware of is what is culturally allowed in a place like Afghanistan is barbarous. It is barbarous, truly. Ok. And we were trying to just, you know, stop the Taliban and we were told, you know, that you aren't the local police force. I mean, this, this, you guys who served in, guys and gals listening served in Afghanistan. You know, exactly what I'm talking about. The kind of stuff that would go on over there culturally and specifically when it came to the, the, the sexual abuse of, of, of children, that was not, you know, they, we weren't, they weren't talking about it and the press didn't want to talk about it because Afghanistan has its own, you know, had its own cultural standards. It was horrific, horrific, the stuff that was going on over there. And anyway, and we import the third world and we wonder what's going on. This is the point. We're bringing people in from these places and then they act a certain way and we go, wait a second. You, you know, you mean, this isn't what the founders intended. And Trump is saying, you know, we got to look at this a little bit more. And Trump is right. All right, look, the team of dedicated people at preborn clinics feel like they are in the most critical battle imaginable. It's Saving lives every day. And it's saving lives through love and support for women who are having a crisis pregnancy. Over 350,000 babies have been saved through preborn's efforts day in and day out. The clinics that preborn runs provide unconditional love and support for moms who are making that critical decision about whether to give life to their baby or have an abortion. And they start this process by a free ultrasound, which costs just $28.

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[Clay Travis]

But also a little comic relief.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show you guys loading up phone lines. We're going to get to a bunch of your calls in the third hour. Let me go to John in Loma Linda, California. John, what you got for us?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Time listener Then I was started with Rush. Back in the 80s I was listening to the callers decrying that the victory of margin in Tennessee was only nine points. The issue here is that these callers and panicking Republicans along with low IQ Democrats is that they don't really understand proportional statistics. District 7 has just under 800,000 voters and over 70% voted in 2024, with Trump's margin of victory being around 22%. In this special election, less than 180,000 vot voters showed up, which is approximately 23% of the voting population. And Van Epps still won by 9% and more than two times the predictive poll standard error. What that means is that the Democrat was shellacked in this election and Vaness will have to defend his seat next year. But I suspect that when you get over 50%, he'll win with double digits.

[Clay Travis]

I agree with the caller. I like the data analysis here. Again, these special elections have much lower turnout rates and as I said, there are more people on the left who define their entire lifestyle based on the identity of their vote. We come back, we'll dive into this Venezuela situation. A lot of talk still coming on that we'll take another little victory lap over the election results that came in last night. And we'll take more of your calls. 800-282-2882. If you're still with us, you can hang on. Plus, lots of reaction to our caller Linda from yesterday. We'll have some more fun with that. Thank you all.

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