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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeartRadio app app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gilbert King
Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off now and Congressman Jim Jordan joins us to talk about everything going on. Congressman, always appreciate you making the time.
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Jim Jordan
You bet. Buck, good to be with you.
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Gilbert King
Can we start? You know what, I want to have you react to this. Okay. Over at cnbc, this is Cut eight. They, they are freaking out right now. And I wanted to let you tell everybody how you're feeling about this. But let's play Cut eight. This is the situation of the tariff assessment over there. Play the market reaction after hours. I've never seen anything like it. This, I think, fair to say, is worse than the worst case scenario of the tariffs that many in the market expected the president to impose. And there's some question of how the administration calculated the percentages that they're responding to in, in each of these cases. Are they adding in value added taxes? He talked about non tariff barriers as well. So I think while many were hoping that this would eliminate uncertainty, there's going to be more uncertainty in the market worse than the worst case scenario. Jim, what do you make of it?
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Jim Jordan
Everyone needs to relax. And you know the thing I keep coming up with all these, these foreign countries saying they're going to do this if Tara, and talking about how bad it is that President Trump does this, if tariffs are so bad, why don't they just get rid of the tariffs they have on all our products? I mean, that's pretty basic and frankly, that's the president's argument. Why don't you show us the respect we've shown you. They won't do that. He's saying, okay, we're tired of taking it on the chin. We're tired of manufacturing leaving this country. I mean, my dad was a union worker for General Motors in Dayton, Ohio. There used to be several plants, GM plants in Dayton. Now there's nothing. And the autoworker who stood up yesterday with the president, I thought the president's remarks were great. The autoworker who stood up, I think spoke for so many middle class, working class families. Enough of this. Let's try something different. Let's tell them to quit sticking it to us and let's look out for the interests of the American family, the American worker and the American economy.
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Gilbert King
So you have faith that this should play out and that the president, I mean, how much of this in your mind do you think is just the ongoing negotiation of it before we can even know what it is that's going to be the final dispensation of where these different tariff numbers are?
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Jim Jordan
No, I think that's a good point. And we all know that the president is this great, is a great negotiator. He's, I think he believes in tariffs. He certainly said that he used tariffs in the past. He used it in his first term. I know he used it on steel and it benefited manufacturing in our great state, particularly the whirlpool facility in one of the many whirlpool facilities in our state. So this shouldn't be a big surprise. You've never had to this degree. But like anything worth accomplishing, anything worth really achieving, there's always some effort and some discipline and some toughness involved with getting there. That's just the way life works. I don't think this is any different. But I think the American people see where the President wants to go. Certainly working class people see where he wants to go. They know what's happened in manufacturing. And I think there's a trust level there with the President that it'll be maybe some difficult times here for a while, but I think we get through it and we come out better on the other side. And that's the whole point.
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Gilbert King
Something else that caught my attention, Congressman, you are the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and you can speak to this internal FBI chat law showing that the FBI imposed a gag order about the New York Post story on the Hunter Biden laptop the day it came out. Oh, my. Give us these details.
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Jim Jordan
Well, first of all, we knew this from a deposition, but this is the first time we've got the document. So God bless the FBI. This is, this is the night and day difference between what we had before and what we have under Cash Patel and Pam Bondi, the Justice Department. But we had, we had Mr. Brady Olsen, one of the guys mentioned in his chat, that you can see it. But he told us, he said, yeah, in a meeting that these regular meetings that took place where the FBI would go talk to big tech in the run up to the 2020 presidential election, and they were prepping them on all. There might be an information operation. It might come from a Foreign country. They were prepping them on what they knew could happen because they had the laptop and they knew it was real. That one of these meetings, the day that this comes up is October 14th. It comes up and someone says, is the laptop real? And the FBI confirms it. Someone spoke out of turn. They quickly get together, get their story straight, and from that point on, they say, no comment. And then they even have. In the chat, the one that stuck out with me was where they said, Twitter is treating this story as disinformation. They treated as disinformation because you prepped them for that and you knew it was real. This. This just demonstrates what we knew all along, that the FBI wasn't being square with the American people.
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Gilbert King
Now, how confident are you in the ability for that entity to be reformed? I know you have a lot of faith in Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino, but they're taking up. It's. It's an unwieldy and problematic operation. They're taking over. What are some of the things that you think need to get done over there? Not only to clean house internally, but to help restore faith for the American people in a federal law enforcement institution that we need to function at the highest level and without partisan agenda.
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Jim Jordan
You know, already two things have happened. One, they're beginning to move people out of. A third of the FBI agents were in D.C. area. Well, that's not where all the crime takes place. I mean, enough takes place in this area, but so they're moving them out and focusing more on traditional going after traditional bad guys versus this surveillance on American citizens. So that's one huge step in the right direction that Director Patel and Dana put into place. Second, I just know what we've gotten in the first few weeks that he's been running the FBI. We sent seven subpoenas over there five weeks ago. The response, the documents we're getting is it. Like I said, it's night and day compared to what we got under Chris Wray, what we got under Merrick Garland at the Justice Department. So there's just two examples of where they're already changing how that place operates, saying, we're going to get the truth, we're going to get the facts of the American people, answer the questions that they have, and we're going to put our agents on actually stopping, you know, the crime activity that. That we traditionally associate with the FBI. Mafia, organized crime, money laundering, all those things, versus, again, spying on the American people.
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Gilbert King
Talking to Congressman Jim Jordan from Ohio. And one thing that I think Congressman that is interesting to see how President Trump is staying on this and not. Not moving. Not moving the agenda very much from what he said it would be the freeze on funding to Maine. Remember there was that little back and forth with the governor of Maine and the president where she was talking tough about, you know, I'll see you in court. And he was like, let's do it. I love court. Let's go to court. And now the Trump administration is freeze funding to Maine for letting trans athletes compete against girls by, you know, men, biological men or teenagers competing against girls. It feels like promise made, promise kept on this one. What do you make of it?
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, no, this is. This is why the American people appreciate the president. I say this all the time. We make the job too complicated. What'd you tell the voters you were gonna do when you ran for it if they elect you? Do what you said. And this is president. He told it. It's not like he told us it wasn't gonna be a doge. It's not like he told us he wasn't gonna run that. It's not like he told us he wasn't for tariffs and he was tired of being taken advantage by other countries. And it's not like he told us that, you know, he thinks, like the vast majority of Americans that, you know, guys shouldn't be competing against girls in sports. I mean, so he's doing what he said, and I think so many Americans just appreciate that. And he says this all the time. And we've talked about this, buck, but we're the party of common sense. It's common sense to have a border. The left's a party. Are crazy. It's crazy not to have a border. It's crazy to say boys to compete against girls in sports. It's crazy to. I mean, to take a plane and a judge say, turn the plane around, bring the bad guys back here who are illegal, part of an organized terrorist organization, the most dangerous gang on the planet. Turn that plane around and bring it back. That's crazy. So the president is all for doing the common sense things that he campaigned on. And one of them was the issue with the governor, Maine. And he's sticking to it, and God bless him for doing it.
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Gilbert King
Do you see this? This female fencer who took a knee instead of competing against a male opponent. She was disqualified for this. And I just think that one. It's a brave thing to do for this young woman to do it, but also, it's the right thing to do. People should not. Women should not subject themselves to this anymore. There should be, I think, a. I mean, you were a college athlete. There should be a campaign to opt out.
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I agree. You know, and God bless Riley Gaines, what she's done. The president's executive order that he signed about five, six weeks ago. But you need. You need people who are courageous like this. This young lady who stood up, or I guess in this situation, she knelt down and said, no, we're not going there. And Riley Gaines, who started this, and others, everyone instinctively knows this is wrong, particularly parents of young ladies who are competing in sports, who are working hard. We had two daughters, both were athletes. I mean, that's. It's just ridiculous. And everyone gets it. But if the left wants to defend it from a political standpoint, I don't think it helps him. Just one more example of the crazy positions the left now takes.
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Gilbert King
Do you think that. And I'm just asking for your sense of it. Right. I know that you can't really know, but I'm curious what your perception is of it among Democrat House colleagues. You know, when. When you see how they have to take what positions they take on this issue of the transgender sports stuff, is it more that they actually believe this or more that they're just afraid of the crazies within their party who think that this is the new civil rights crusade?
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Jim Jordan
It's the latter. It's, you know, it's the old. Some politicians, when they get asked a question, it's, yeah, for that. Next question, please. They just want to move on. They just want, like, kind of ignore it. But I think it's more the latter. Now, there are some. I mean, the heart. I always say not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls their party is. And that's where the energy is in the party. It's that it's the radical left, and they're. They're driving this stuff. So I think many of them just kind of put their head down and move on, don't want to deal with it, and hope the left leaves them alone.
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Gilbert King
But it.
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Jim Jordan
There are some. There are some who truly believe you should just let it happen. Which I'm like, that crazy.
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Gilbert King
It is. It is. Crazy is not an. That is the only way to describe it. It is a. It is a non sane, insane thing to believe. And the fact that this continues on is just. I think the Democrat Party has to carry this around, and they're not going to. They're not going to be able to win this issue because they're wrong and because they're Lying. Well, you know, usually now we'd get to like, Clay's out today. He's playing golf, you know, as one does, having a good time. So usually we'd ask you a sports question. I actually have a nerd question for you, but you know how the budget process and the money stuff works. You mentioned Doge, so sorry. Usually now we'd have some fun, but instead I'm like, let's. Let's take out the calculator.
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Jim Jordan
You should go with this next time we go. You should go to the NCAA wrestling with this next. It was. There were some boring matches early, but the heavyweight match was. So you got to come with us next time, Clay.
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Gilbert King
Oh, I would love to.
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Jim Jordan
We got you. You got to come with us next time we go to that. It's a fun time.
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Gilbert King
You know, my. My primary school in New York actually wrote about this on X. Used to require everybody in the winter season for sports to do wrestling. And I thought it was a great. It was great. No, I mean, it. It was great. Like, it was. We all learned the basics and we had tournaments and. And then Jim Classic. Of course, they got rid of it about 10 years after I graduated because people thought it was too violent. You know, there was this whole. Oh, the parents. Yeah, wrestling was too violent. You know, anyway, it was kind of crazy. Okay, wait, my nerd. My nerd question. Yes, I'd love to go to wrestling nerd question, though. Important. You mentioned Doge. I see all this stuff about the cuts. How much of this is Trump can cut as executive chief, and how much of it is Doge identifying where there should be cuts that you and your colleagues in Congress are going to have to figure out in the budget so the money actually gets taken out.
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Jim Jordan
Again, it's more of the latter. We're going to have to do a rescission package. Now, the way the rescission package works is the White House sends it to Capitol Hill. So it's different. Normally, all spending and taxing bills obviously start in the Congress, specifically in the House. Under the Constitution, taxing and spending is the House of Representatives, the body close to the people. But this is something where you want to rescind money that's already been appropriated. The White House sends it to Capitol Hill and says, these things are ridiculous. Can you rescind this? And the beauty of a rescission package is you only need 50 votes in the Senate. You don't need to get to the super majority of 60. So we're waiting for that package. We've been pushing and urging the White House to get us that package. I would have loved to have done this in steps even like last week. It had been nice to have a bill that simply said no more Money goes to NPR. You may have followed this. The lady, Ms. Walker, of course she was terrible. She said it was 87 to zero. 87 Democrat editors at NPR in the D.C. area, zero Republicans, according to one of their journalists who worked there 25 years, who was an award winning journalist. He did that research and gave that data. And I asked her a question, I said, are you guys unbiased? She goes, we're unbiased. I said, There's 87 to 0. It's not 44 to 43, it's 87 to 0. But they're still, I mean it was ridiculous. So it had been nice to have a rescission package on that. Just let's just get rid of npr, start there and then just keep building. But I think the White House is going to put it together in a bigger package. They send it to us and then we have a vote.
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Gilbert King
Any sense on when that might, might be just roughly time. Time wise?
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Jim Jordan
I'm, I am hoping sooner rather. I mean we keep urging the White House to do it. I know some of my colleagues have talked to Rush vote and Ombudsman. So we want it as soon as possible. I don't know exactly when that's in, but they tell, they keep telling us they're working on it, putting it together.
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Gilbert King
Conks and Jim Jordan. Oh, wait one, because you know, Clay would want me to ask you this. Who's going to win the March Madness thing?
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Jim Jordan
You know, I followed a little last week when it was 6, you know, sweet 16 lead 8. I kind of like the Florida team. But, but I mean they're all.
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Gilbert King
There we go. Yeah, you're joining, you're joining the Clay and Buck choice. We both pick Florida to win. So there we go.
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Jim Jordan
Perfect. Yeah, like when I watched, I watched them play and you know, I was kind of hoping for Michigan State kind of sticking with the Big Ten.
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Gilbert King
My wife is a gator and I have a baby coming next week. So, you know, happy wife, especially happy wife with new babies. So we go go Gators around this house for sure. Congressman Jim Jordan, always appreciate you, man. Thanks for making the time.
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Jim Jordan
You bet, Buck. Take care.
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Gilbert King
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
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Gilbert King
I just knew him as a kid.
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Jeremy Scott
Long, silent voices from his past came.
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Gilbert King
Forward, and he was just staring at me.
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Jeremy Scott
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Gilbert King
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
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Jeremy Scott
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Jeremy Scott
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.
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Gilbert King
Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Gilbert King
All right, welcome back in, everybody. We've got a lot of calls coming in and also VIP emails and talkbacks. You know, we love those talk facts. Go to the Clay and Buck page on the iHeart app, press the microphone, and boom, Send us that talkback. We got Chris in Manhattan, where I was born and raised. What's going on? Chris, good afternoon.
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Jim Jordan
Listen, I mean, I know I'm one of millions of people, but I'm absolutely terrified about what he's doing because he.
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Gilbert King
Admits he's gambling with the economy.
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Jim Jordan
But if it doesn't work, the Democrats.
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Gilbert King
Are just going to dismantle everything he did and go back the other way.
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Jim Jordan
People aren't thinking long term. It's like, what have you done for me lately? Not, oh, okay. I'm 71, and in five or six years, I'll be happier.
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Gilbert King
It doesn't work that way.
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Jim Jordan
My mother's 96 and she's at home crying over what's going on in the stock market. She hates Trump. I voted for Trump three times.
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Gilbert King
I got. Well, I'm sorry that the. Thank you, Chris, for calling in. I'm sorry that your mother's upset about this, but you can tell her that to whatever degree it'll help that I'm telling her it's going to be fine. There's no. And you shouldn't worry either. Trump knows what he's doing, ok? He knows what he's doing. When it comes to the economy, he has proven that. And is there some risk in this? Yeah, there's some risk in it. But look at what Elon says. If we don't start taking these risks, there's a certainty of economic implosion. If we don't handle these problems, we won't be in a position to handle them. And then things get really ugly. So time to step up. These are the times that try men's souls. It's all going to work out. My cell phone service provider is PureTalk. As I've told you, it's been that for years. And when I switched From ATT to PureTalk, I did so because that company employs 100% US based customer service team. The company's led by a US veteran as well. So PureTalk makes regular donations to nonprofit organizations that provide services to our veterans. So look, you're getting great service, you're getting unbeatable prices and you're supporting a company that shares your values, shares your patriotism and loves American veterans. PureTalk only charges $25 a month for unlimited talk text and 5 gigs of data on America's most dependable 5G network. Now put the entire family on a PureTalk plan. You're talking about saving more than $1,000 a year. With PureTalk's US customer service team. The switch is easy, hassle free. All you do using your current phone, dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck. Save an additional 50% off your first month. That's pound 250, say Clay and Buck. All right, welcome back in. This is Clay in Buck. And we've got so much more to get into and sometimes things that I wasn't expecting to get into. But there is this core of very dedicated individuals out there, maybe too dedicated, but very zealous in their policing of pronunciation. I don't even know if they have a uniform that they wear, but they certainly approach their job with all the tenacity of like a Turkish prison guard or something. You know, I Mean, they're really intense. And here the pronunciation police out of this is Twin Cities listener Jason listens on ktlk. He, he says that I, I need to get pulled over and I'm getting written up right now. I'm getting a ticket for my pronunciation on well play, cc.
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Jim Jordan
I'm really disappointed in you. You are choosing to follow everybody else, pronouncing it tournament. It's not tournament, it's tournament. Tournament. Thank you.
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Gilbert King
Is that really a thing or is he pulling my leg? Is there like a, is there a tournament for the craziest pronunciation police? Because if so, he wins. I don't, I've that, that's not even. I've never heard that's a thing. I do think it's funny. Occasionally some of you will tell me that I, I get yelled at for either having a New York accent, too much of a New York accent, or not having any New York accent, depending on where the pronunciation police might find me in any given day. So as I am for three hours rolling through your speed traps, I, I guess I am at your mercy. So the pronunciation police came for me on that one. And since we're doing a little bit of ombudsman work here, I do want to. And of course Clay's out having a great time, sending me photos on the golf course. You know, he's, you know, big hitter, the Clay, you know, he's sending it 300 yards plus, I'm sure, one handed drinking margaritas. Here I am trying to save freedom, democracy, America, you know, as one does. And I have to return to a story that we talked about yesterday solo. So I'm here in the trench. The artillery rounds are falling all around me. I'm here in the trench and my buddy Clay is out on the golf course. The story yesterday about McDonald's, the dad, he left the kids. Now I just, before we go back to this, I want to be clear about something, all right? I want to be clear about something. The real discussion was just about how old is it reasonable and even legal, depending on the state to leave your kids unattended. And I thought that was interesting. For example, we had a call and that was why it was such a talker and so many of you were weighing in. That's why we had someone, one of our listeners from Illinois, I believe, say you got to be at least 14. See, that's high. I thought 13, which would be more or less the. If you're 13, you're allowed to be alone. You know, like you can be unsupervised by your parents legally, whether it's a good idea or not, depending on where you are. That's a separate. But it's very contextual. Right. And some of the cops who called in, not pronunciation police, but actual police. Thanks guys. They called in and they said look it really, it's about the totality of the circumstance and you know what, what's going on here and all this. Okay. So with all that said, it turns out that this fellow, Mr. Chris Lewis, who became a cause among some celebrities, a GoFundMe for him charged with deprivation of a minor a couple of weeks ago for leaving his kids, 16 and 10 years old at the restaurant. Turns out they were there for an hour and a half, which is a long time. This was not. I need to run into the office across the street for 15 minutes. I'll be right back. It was an hour and a half. That is strike one. Strike two is that. Now it is not believed that he was in fact interviewing for a job but earlier in the day had interviewed for a job. So here you go. Security footage is from New York Post captured Louis walking around the hotel at 1:30, but not around 4:30 when he allegedly left his kids at the fast food joint. Two eagle eyed customers saw the three kids inside the restaurant at 4:30pm Lewis talked to someone on the phone. Customers heard Louis say he needed to drop something off before he left the store and the unaccompanied kids for nearly 90 minutes. The customers reported the odd exchange to police. Lewis's oldest daughter told police she and her family had walked to the McDonald's from an apartment complex less than a mile down the road where her mother lived. The girl allegedly claimed her father frequently left them alone when he was watching them. 10 year old girl told officials her dad had a backpack and was supposed to deliver to their mom. Her daughter contacted Pichardo. I don't know who that. Sorry. Over social media told her to go to McDonald's. Lewis claimed he was at the apartments looking for her but never did any. During his delivery. Lewis reportedly lost his ID retracing his steps. Sheriff's office stood by the arrest asserting that Lewis was not attending a job interview at the time of his arrest and he just left his children unattended. The GoFundMe got him $75,000 in 20, 24 hours. Now, okay, so for those of you who were a little skeptical of the story, congratulations, your skepticism was correct. Now we said yesterday there's a lot of details, a lot you can go back and listen I'm not. I'm not. I'm not like doing a moonwalk here. I'm not just going. You know, we knew that there were things we didn't know, but the initial story on this was not correct. The facts were not correct, and law enforcement was correct. That's what. That's what we find out. Right. It wasn't on a job interview. Left his kids alone for an hour and a half. Leaves them alone a lot. Not safe, not good. And there you have it. So I. I wanted to return to it. I didn't want to, you know, because there was, I think, a lot of people yesterday, the way the story was presented. Oh, this guy. Hard working guy trying to do the right thing for his family. Last minute child care crisis left him in a McDonald's. Just gone for a second. A short while. Remember the. Now we can go back and look at some of the early media reporting on this, which we're relying on. I wasn't there a short while. 90 minutes is not a short while. Okay. Remember yesterday I said short while. I think that's probably. I mean, 15 to 20 minutes is a short while. Like 20 is max where you're leaving. And that would be the big problem. And Clay identified this one. I'm doing this like. Like one of those films, those JFK films where they like pull apart every aspect and every. But I think we spell. This got you all so fired up yesterday. We had so many emails, so many calls, and what was fascinating. And I love these kinds of conversations, people calling in, saying, it is. It's crazy to even consider. We had this. Some of you listening. Crazy to even consider arresting this guy for this. Not that big a deal. You know. Yeah. Other people are. This is madness. You know, these kids could have been abducted or something terrible, you know? Absolutely. So very. People had very strong feelings on both ends of this one. But those of you who are saying, yeah, I don't buy it. You were right. It's not what happened. What happened is he did something reckless and the cops were in the right and, you know, I don't know. I guess, does he. Here's a question. Does he get to keep the $75,000 for the GoFundMe? That's. I'd be wondering, you know, if he's not the. The working class hero who just did what he could and is being treated roughly by law enforcement in the moment. If that's not true, does he still. I feel like he probably does get to keep the money. I don't know. I don't know what the rules are on that, but I did just want to tell you all that we filed this up. Also want to thank our. We have an affiliate station in Augusta. And they reached out and said, hey, guys. Hey, there's more. So we knew as soon as we talked about the story on the air that there was going to be more stuff coming out. And remember, I told you I was not. I was not blaming law enforcement. I said, you know, we got to know more facts. Maybe law enforcement. It's a. It could be a situation where they have to make an arrest under the circumstances because of the age of the children and the endangerment issue. So. But quite. Quite a story. And it turns out it is a. It is a story that was rooted in. Well, it was a lie. The. The story was a lie. Also, I think the mother got called to the scene. So the mother of. Of the children, or at least one of the kids. I don't know. I have to go back and look at the details. But she was very unhappy about the situation, too. Very unhappy about this. So I would just note that here we are now updating the story a day later to make sure that we are all aligned about what happened here, understand what really happened here. And with that, I want to take my moment here to take a victory lap or something that we were right about maybe yesterday, you know, we should have waited for a little more, the facts to come in. I'll. I'll take. I'll take the heat on that. I'll take the heat on that a little bit, especially because Clay's not. Oh, is it. Isn't it so convenient Clay's not here today? I'm taking the heat. Oh, isn't that so convenient? No, he's having a great time out there. He misses all of you. But I did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution was. Was Nonsense. I did tell you the Eric Adams prosecution was. You. You don't pro. You don't threaten to throw somebody in prison for years and destroy their life because they got upgrades on an airline like, that's just not. Because this is. There is some line that the law has to draw with tangible benefit. And if it is entirely up to the discretion in the moment, for example, of somebody to give you a tangible versus intangible benefit. This came up when they went after Conrad Black, who was a excellent writer, conservative. He's sort of a little bit less, you know, scaled down, but he's sort of the Canadian Rupert Murdoch, a media mogul of sorts, but from Canada, not from Australia and conservative. And they decided to go after him. I believe it was Patrick Fitzgerald who was the prosecutor who has really just made a career going after high profile conservative political targets. And like Scooter Libby and trying to destroy them. He is a plague on the whole world of law enforcement, in my opinion. This guy Fitzgerald, very. He went to my high school, very bad news guy. And has engaged in shameful conduct of going after people at the highest levels of prosecution in. In the game because of politics. Right. I mean that. The whole Scooter Liberty thing, Libby thing was complete nonsense. He didn't leak the name. They knew he didn't leak the name. Didn't even matter about the name. Really. I know you can be very litigious or you can be very letter of the law about this, but she wasn't some like, deep, you know, deep cover operative. And oh my gosh, what's gonna. She's a blonde lady living in Georgetown. Give me a break. I was in the CIA. I know the reality. Put this aside. Oh my gosh. You blowed her cover. Yeah. She was doing Vanity Fair interviews a day later. She's so worried about all of her sources. The whole, remember the Valerie plane leak, Scooter Libby thing? Total garbage. I was in the CIA when that was going on. Total garbage. The whole prosecution was garbage. Somebody said something by accident. It was essentially a inadvertent disclosure of the name. The name. It wasn't really big, but they thought they could get Scooter Libby or really, actually they thought they could get Karl Rove or Dick Cheney. So that was. The whole thing was about. But he went after. I'm weaving. I know. Have I weaved a little too much here? Sorry. Whew. Take a moment. So going back to Conrad Black, this is where honest services fraud came into the conversation. The Supreme Court 90 had to strike down this as a criminal statute because it was so broad. And Scalia made this point that you could have. If the CEO of a company got a great table at a restaurant, he make the case. Well, he only got that table because he's the CEO of, you know, Johnson and Johnson or whatever. And so he's not. And if they have any business with that restaurant chain, he's not being fair to the. To the shareholders. I know that sounds crazy. It is crazy. Which is why it was struck down 9 0. But they actually prosecuted people on that. Mayor Adams, sort of similar stuff here. And the corruption charges against him were dismissed with prejudice. Dismissed with prejudice. And the judge is like, not only should this not have happened. The fact that it happened is gross and wrong. Here's Mayor Adams taking a victory lap on this play. Cut 19.
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Jim Jordan
As you have heard this case, the judge has dismissed it with prejudice, making it clear that it never can be brought back.
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Gilbert King
Let me be clear, as I've said.
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Jim Jordan
All along, this case should have never, should have never been brought. And I did nothing wrong.
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Gilbert King
We told you that from the beginning. He's a Democrat. Here you have the black Democrat mayor of New York City. And we told you that this thing was total nonsense. And I know there was a little bit of really buck, you guys. Clay and I were totally aligned on this one because I looked at the chart and said, what is this? And here's the difference and this is so important. Here's the difference between us, the Republicans and the Democrats. We don't do this. We actually have principles. We don't do this thing of I don't like someone or I don't agree with them, so let's use the law to ruin their life. The law has to have a, has to be, have meaning. And for the law to rightly do take action against you of negative consequence, you have to have done a bad thing. And Eric Adams did not do a bad thing in this case. So we were right on that one. See, I had to mix these in because, you know, on the leaving the kids alone thing, ok, but we nailed the Merrick Mayor Eric Adams thing. Let's take your calls. Talk backs coming up here. Since 9 11, the Tunnel Towers foundation has been supporting America's greatest heroes and their families. Heroes who protect our communities and our country. Heroes like firefighter James Dickman. He was passionate about fire safety and aspired to do everything in his power to keep his community and his fellow firefighters safe. While responding to an apartment fire, James and his crew tried to save people who were thought to be trapped inside. When the situation escalated, James was not able to escape and he perished in the blazing inferno. The cause of the fire was arson. James leaves behind his loving wife Jamie and his children Paige and Grant. Tunnel to Towers gave the Dickman family the gift of a mortgage free home. Jamie is grateful to Tunnel the Towers and to caring friends like you for lifting the financial burden of a mortgage off her shoulders. Donate $11 a month to tunnel the towers at t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org you ain't imagining it. The world has gone insane. Reclaim your sanity with Clay and Bun. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get Your podcasts I'm Nate Silver. And I'm Maria Konnikova. We're both journalists and professional poker players. And on our podcast Risky Business, we talk about taking risks in everything from poker to politics. And we talk about betting. From betting on elections to betting on your favorite basketball team. We've learned a lot about taking risks through our own research and sometimes even our own bets. And we share what we've learned with you. Are you still doing sports betting? I had no idea that you'd wagered over a million dollars for your research. I bet almost the entirety of the 20, 22, 23 NBA season, all the regular season and about half the playoffs. And I learned that, I mean, it's probably what I should have expected, but I learned that it's pretty hard. I went on a huge heater at the start of the NBA season where it was up like 70,000 bucks. I'm like, man, I'm really good at the sports betting stuff. But then, but then, things change. Now that March Madness is upon us, we're talking BRCA strategies and a whole lot more. Join us and listen to Risky business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Gilbert King
I just knew him as a kid.
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Jeremy Scott
Long, silent voices from his past came.
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Gilbert King
Forward, and he was just staring at me.
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Jeremy Scott
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Gilbert King
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
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Jeremy Scott
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Jeremy Scott
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.
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Gilbert King
Jeremy, I want to tell you something.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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Gilbert King
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck, taking your calls, your VIPs, your talk, VIP emails and talk backs here. Let's do it. Terrence in Santa Rosa Beach Florida former pilot. What's going on, Terrence?
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Jim Jordan
Yeah, I'm a double. Dittos.
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Gilbert King
I'm a retired airline pilot.
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Jim Jordan
And yes, to fly into.
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Gilbert King
Into D.C. all the time. And I can't tell you how many times there were US Senators and US.
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Jim Jordan
Representatives sitting in first class.
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Gilbert King
I doubt they were paying for that.
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Jim Jordan
Our company always comped these people and.
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Gilbert King
Just moved them up. The next one is. I was at LaGuardia one time. I can't remember where we were going.
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Jim Jordan
It was late 80s, early 80s, and Teddy Kennedy comes on board and demands a first class seat. And US Representative from Houston.
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Gilbert King
I forget her name, just demanded. Threw somebody out of the first class.
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Jim Jordan
Seat going down to Mexico. That stuff happens all the time.
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Gilbert King
I mean, yeah, after him for that.
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Jim Jordan
It's horrible.
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Gilbert King
I. I told. Look, I totally agree with you, but I'm sure Teddy Kennedy also demanded a bottle of scotch and maybe a little squeeze of one of the stewardesses. You know what I mean? He was a. He was a real maniac, that guy. So, yeah, thank you for calling in with that perspective VIP email from Dana. I'm a longtime listener and OG listener. Rush and Clay and Buck, and my son is number 22, Bennett Anderson on the team. Oh, that is awesome, Dana. He's the walk on that scored in the sweet 16. So glad you're both betting on the Gators. And that Carrie is a Gator. I can attest this team has the best culture and is comprised of the best young men and coaching staff in the country. High character, amazing talent on the team. It's refreshing and exciting. Go Gators. I love it. Producer Greg writes in, you know the Florida Gators, Greg? I know. I, you know, like, yeah, okay. I'm not an expert in the college athletics realm, but I, you know, my wife's college. I generally remember it. I did have to learn when I moved down here that Florida State and UF were very different things because when you're from New York, you maybe use these things somewhat interchangeably, and that gets you fed to the Gators. So that is not good. We're going to come back here and talk to Senator Marsha Blackburn. That's right, Of Tennessee. Looking forward to talking to the senator here about those universal injunctions and other very interesting topics. So third hour is already here. It's flying by. Stick around. We'll be right with you.
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Jeremy Scott
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Gilbert King
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Gilbert King
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Jeremy Scott
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2, starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.