Hour 2 - Cop Involved in Breonna Taylor Case Calls In

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Episode: Hour 2 - Cop Involved in Breonna Taylor Case Calls In
Release Date: July 22, 2025
Host: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction to the Breonna Taylor Case Sentence

In this compelling episode, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton delve into the controversial sentencing of Officer Brett Hankinson, who was involved in the Breonna Taylor raid in Louisville, Kentucky. The discussion centers around Hankinson's 33-month prison sentence for deprivation of civil rights—a verdict many on the show argue is excessively harsh and unjust.

Guest Appearance: Sergeant John Mattingly

Timestamp: 01:35

The episode features a crucial interview with Sergeant John Mattingly, an officer present during the Breonna Taylor raid. His firsthand account provides an insider’s perspective on the events of that day and sheds light on the factors leading to the sentencing.

Events of the Raid: A Firsthand Account

Timestamp: 05:00 - 08:16

Sergeant Mattingly recounts the sequence of the raid, highlighting discrepancies between the official narrative and his personal experiences:

• Exigent Circumstances and Miscommunication:

  "He saw the shot, heard it, saw me go down and say I was shot. He circled around the front of the building as these shots were ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door.”
  (Mattingly, 05:19)

• Inadequate Preparation and False Information:

  "We were told when we went to this warrant by the brief by the investigators that it was just going to bring Brianna at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends, no weapons."
  (Mattingly, 10:00)

• Officer Injury and Immediate Aftermath:

  "Yes, I was shot in the femoral artery. I had a five and a half-hour surgery, replaced four inches of the artery with the vein.”
  (Mattingly, 05:00)

Critique of the Judicial Process

Timestamp: 02:42 - 04:53

Clay Travis criticizes the handling of the case by the Biden Department of Justice (DOJ), contrasting it with the perceived rationality of the Trump DOJ:

"This doesn't even meet the standards of that, number one. But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for returning fire after being fired upon that hit. No one. He's the only officer in American history has been charged with that."
(Clay Travis, 08:44)

Call for Commutation and Pardon

Timestamp: 09:05 - 20:12

Buck Sexton and Clay Travis advocate for President Trump to commute or pardon Officer Hankinson, emphasizing the case as an example of systemic bias against law enforcement:

"I think President Trump should commute or pardon the, you know, Brett Hankinson immediately."
(Buck Sexton, 09:05)

They argue that the sentence undermines the valor and intentions of police officers, who are often put in precarious situations:

"Most cops do not get in the car every morning saying, I hope I get to kill somebody today."
(Buck Sexton, 30:17)

Unveiling the Full Story

Timestamp: 10:00 - 19:32

Sergeant Mattingly provides additional context about the warrant and the individuals involved, challenging the media's portrayal:

"This was going to be a RICO case on this Jamarcus Glover, who had just been a menace. He had six or seven pending felony cases in circuit court for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff."
(Mattingly, 12:24)

He highlights inconsistencies in the media narrative, such as misrepresentations of Brianna Taylor’s profession and her involvement with Jamarcus Glover.

Listener Reactions and Broader Implications

Timestamp: 18:13 - 32:32

The hosts discuss the broader impact of the sentencing on law enforcement morale and public perception:

"Most cops after it depends on the departmental policy. But if you're involved even in the most straightforward, lawful discharge of your service weapon, you know, defending yourself against a maniac running at you with a hatchet or something."
(Buck Sexton, 30:17)

John Mattingly underscores the fear among officers of being wrongfully accused, which can hinder their effectiveness in the field:

"Police are becoming victims of violent criminals because they're afraid of being accused of being too aggressive to stop a violent criminal."
(John Mattingly, 29:39)

Conclusion: A Call for Justice Reform

As the episode wraps up, Travis and Sexton emphasize the need for judicial reforms to protect law enforcement officers from undue prosecution. They highlight the importance of presenting all sides of such cases to ensure fair and just outcomes.

"These guys are very often not allowed to tell their side of the story. The other side of the story gets told widely and it is taken without a grain of salt very often by the media."
(Buck Sexton, 39:00)

The hosts urge listeners to stay informed and advocate for the truth, underscoring the significance of Sergeant Mattingly’s testimony in reevaluating high-profile cases like that of Breonna Taylor.

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Notable Quotes

• Clay Travis (08:44): "This doesn't even meet the standards of that, number one."

• Buck Sexton (09:05): "I think President Trump should commute or pardon the, you know, Brett Hankinson immediately."

• Sergeant John Mattingly (12:24): "This was going to be a RICO case on this Jamarcus Glover, who had just been a menace."

• Buck Sexton (30:17): "Most cops do not get in the car every morning saying, I hope I get to kill somebody today."

• Buck Sexton (39:00): "These guys are very often not allowed to tell their side of the story."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show offers a critical examination of the Breonna Taylor case from the perspective of an involved law enforcement officer. Through in-depth discussion and firsthand accounts, the hosts highlight perceived injustices within the judicial system and advocate for the fair treatment of police officers. The episode encourages listeners to seek out the full story and consider the broader implications of such legal outcomes on law enforcement and public trust.

Transcript

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[John Mattingly]

Okay, welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. You never know what you may get on the program from minute to minute. We were just talking about the decision made to give one of the police Officers in Louisville, Kentucky a 33 month prison sentence despite the fact that the Trump Department of Justice had suggested just one day. And we were walking through the Brianna Taylor information and giving people more about that because it's been several years and some of you may well have forgotten about what took place there. Well, listening in Louisville, Kentucky was one of the officers involved in that raid. His name is John Mattingly and he is with us now. So I want to bring him in and I'll just say first of all, thanks for listening and broadly just tell us what happened on that day and what you think about the 33 month sentence that your former police officer colleague got in that case. And obviously thanks for listening. What can you tell us about that day?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, Clayton, Travis, I appreciate you guys having me on and being willing to get it from, you know, a firsthand source, somebody who's kind of been through the fire and all this thing. First off, let me start with the decision. I think the judge, when it was the Biden DOJ did everything they asked for in the Case in the trial, there were so many things that were unprofessional by that doj. I've never set on a side and felt like it was a defense attorney over there with underhand tactics, lying. She. She did not allow cell phones to get entered into evidence or the ones that were in evidence. She refused to let him at trial. At the end, when the jurors kept coming back going, man, we got a hung jury. We got a hung jury. And then they asked the question, should we assume Brianna is dead or alive? She said, assume she was dead or alive. Which totally negates the legal process and the judge's influence on the jury, because in order for a statute such as a civil rights violation, the person has to be alive. And there were just so many things, man. And I think the appeal is so strong and gonna go very quickly once the process starts, if this DOJ even allows it. Because I was sitting in the courtroom and I saw two faces to the doj. The one under Biden and the one under the Trump. And the one under Trump was so rational and logical. Like any human being would look at a process and go, this is the way it should be. This makes sense when you look at the facts of the case, anything outside of this scope is unreasonable. And so I'm so happy that Trump's back in. I think if once this word gets out on how this DOJ is actually treating police officers now, not as some kind of wicked, racist, you know, hateful people, as opposed to people who are risking their lives simply trying to get fentanyl off the street, trying to get murderers off the street. Because every time an action was taken, I've talked to thousands of cops across the country when I speak, and over and over, the sentiment I get from them is simply, we're scared to do our job. Anything we do, you know, you've got to worry about the bad guy in front of you shooting. You're hurting you. But more importantly, you got to worry about the government behind you stabbing you in the back. So you.

[Buck Sexton]

You, sir, you were in. You. You were at that raid. You were shot in the leg, correct?

[Clay Travis]

Yes, it ripped through my femoral artery. Thank God for a tourniquet or I wouldn't be talking to you. So I had a five and a half hour surgery, replaced four inches of the artery with the vein and. Yeah, and that's the part that gets missed over. You know, you talk about the active aggressor in this case was Kenneth Walker, her boyfriend.

[Buck Sexton]

Right. Well, see, the storyline. The storyline.

[John Mattingly]

Take us through that day. Yes. Just tell us what happened through the raid.

[Buck Sexton]

What happened at the raid.

[John Mattingly]

A lot of people don't know that story, so just take us there. Tell us.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, yeah. Let me tell about a couple of the. The falsehoods that the Ben Crumps of the world put out. And that was simply him and Kamala Harris and LeBron James and all these fools in Hollywood and the sports world were like, he said we had the wrong house, which is a lie. He said she was asleep in bed, which is a lie. They said it was a no knock warrant, which was a lie. And that the boyfriend that we were, quote, looking for had been in custody for 10 hours, which was a lie. So when we get up to the door, our first knock, a normal knock, nobody came to the door. So we started banging. I mean, the loud. Everybody knows the police knock, especially in that world. Banging, banging, banging, screaming. Police. Search warrant. Police. Search warrant. And this went on for a minute, which, when you're at a door that feels like an eternity, I mean, we're just banging. A neighbor came out. We got into an interaction with them. They went back inside after a minute of them not coming to the door and us knocking and announcing we breached the door. And as soon as that door was breached and I stepped into the door frame, I was. I was met with a shot from Kenneth Walker that rips through my leg. I was able to return a few. Few shots before I got out of the line of fire. And that's when the guy behind me stepped up and began shooting as I went out. Well, Brett was the third one in the stack. And this is the whole premise of this case that gets misunderstood. And I had questions at first, too, because we're not trained to shoot through windows. That's not how we're trained. However, there's always exigent circumstances to things. And when Brett was at the door with me, he was the third one in the stack. He saw the shot, heard it, saw me go down and say I was shot. He circled around the front of the building as these shots were ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door. He could see the flashes through the window, and in his mind, he thought we were still getting fired upon by the individual inside. We were told when we went to this. To this warrant by the brief by the investigators that did the case, that it was just going to bring Brianna at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends, no weapons. So in our mind, that's what we were expecting because we thought they Did a thorough investigation, which comes to find out they didn't. So once we're met with fire and all this gunfire is getting exchanged, Brett circles around to the front and sees these flashes of the flame in the dark of the night in this house. And he's like, man, my guys are getting executed at the doorway. Because he knew I'd already been shot, was down. So he started firing through the windows in an attempt only to stop the threat, only to get that guy to quit shooting. Because in his mind, what he perceived in that moment in those few seconds, and this thing was quick. I mean, it was started and over within 12 seconds. It was completely silent after 12 seconds. And so that's the premise of the case. That's where.

[John Mattingly]

Well, this is. This is important. I'm glad you shared all that with us, because I think a lot of people out there listening right now are probably reacting as many other jurors have, which is, you got shot by someone inside of this apartment. How in the world is a police officer returning fire at what he thinks is someone trying to kill his fellow officers guilty of a crime that would necessitate him being in prison for three years? That seems crazy to me.

[Buck Sexton]

Deprivation of civil rights, specifically, which try to square that circle.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, it doesn't even meet the standards of that, number one. But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for returning fire after being fired upon that hit. No one. He's the only officer in American history has been charged with that. And not only charge, convicted, now sentenced.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, look, I mean, I think the good news is that, well, we can share our opinions here freely. We don't have to pretend to be sitting on the fence on these kinds of things. I think President Trump should commute or pardon the, you know, Brett Hankinson immediately. And I know that there are people who listen to this show who are close to the president, who are right now in the White House. So I think President Trump, and I'll share this publicly, should at least step in with a commutation of this clay. I mean, I would. I would say an outright pardon, the notion that this officer might serve, or that could even theoretically serve before appeal. Almost three years in prison for shooting a gun when someone's been shooting at officers, and he didn't even hit anybody. It's just. It's just, it's. It's a case that is. But it's so instructive about how vile the Biden administration was when it came to throwing law enforcement under the bus.

[John Mattingly]

Let me ask you this, Sergeant Mattingly, who hit. I don't even remember who hit Breonna Taylor.

[Clay Travis]

One of my bullets hit, I believe, her left leg because as soon as Kenneth shot, he dove into a bedroom because he was right on a wall and she was, she was on the outside of him. Number one, why do you bring your girlfriend out the hall if you really think you're getting broken into to stand with you? So as soon as he shot, he dove out of the way like a coward. She attempted to following. One of my bullets struck her arm or leg. I can't remember which one. And then the other officer who was firing over top of me once I went down actually struck her. And, and tragically, you know, nobody wanted her to die. But Tr. One of the bullets struck her aorta and the. The medical examiner said had she been shot at the door of the emergency room, she would not have lived. She died that quickly because it ripped through her aorta and she bled out. So the, the premise that, that we did not render aid, which is what the judge said, blew my mind. And I'm like number one, Kenneth Walker didn't even call 911 for six and a half minutes after this incident happened. He refused to come out to almost 17 minutes after this incident happened. He had no blood on him. And when he came out, he actually told the police on scene on body cam that Brianna is the one that shot because she was scared.

[Buck Sexton]

So this dude, I forget, did he have a criminal record?

[John Mattingly]

Lied. He lied about who fired the shot on body camera.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, yes, I've got that video. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

But, but did he have a previous criminal record? I'm trying to remember all the facts of the case.

[Clay Travis]

He had been arrested one time with a gun and marijuana. And originally he lost his rights to a weapon. They. They amended it down to a misdemeanor like all these courts do for the, for the thugs. And then he got his rights back for the gun. However, in his text thread on the phone, they did download from him, he's on there dealing drugs to people. He's talked about home invasions. So this guy was not this saint that they put out. He.

[John Mattingly]

How many people do you think know. I appreciate you calling in. I mean, obviously we didn't schedule this. You heard us talking about it. You're on. You're. I'm assuming in Louisville, listening to us there. We have big audience. How many people do you think know the full story here? Because I think Buck's right. President Trump should commute your fellow officer. This 33 month sentence is crazy for, for for what he was charged with. The initial, by the way, warrant for people out there who don't know. You were told that she was there by herself. Well, what was the intent of the warrant? What were you going to try to do?

[Clay Travis]

Well, this was going to be a RICO case on this Jamarcus Glover, who had just been a menace. He had six or seven pending felony cases in circuit court for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff. She was. This is. This is what tied him to her apartment that everybody asked about. His ID had her address. His vehicles were registered to her address. His phone came back to her address. His bank account had her address. In January, two months prior to this incident, he was arrested on a warrant for drugs and guns, on a search warrant where they got seven guns and a bunch of dope. And she's the one that bailed him out. And when she was there to bail him out, she gave her addresses, his. And gave her phone number as his. So everything tied back to her on jail records. It's got her talking. It's got him talking about, Brianna held all of our money because his baby mama was ticked off at 14,000 of his was at her house. And he said, well, maybe she holds all of our money. And so she was tied into this in Jane in 2017, she rented a car that a person was murdered in, and they found the vehicle with this dude shot in the head. And when they asked her about it, she was like, I don't know what happened to the car. I gave it to Jamarcus Glover. And nothing was ever done with that. She was not an emt. And I'm not bashing her, but all the. All the media lied about all this stuff. She was not an EMT. She got fired in 2017 after only five months of being on the job, wasn't even off probation. And the city did a no rehire clause, which is rare in most instances. So there was. There was some pretty serious stuff tied to that. And so this whole case of y' all shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well, she was part of this organization. She may not have been the one physically slinging the drugs, but she was out there. She was deeply involved.

[John Mattingly]

This is fantastic. We appreciate you calling us and filling in our audience, because this is great.

[Buck Sexton]

And you're. You're doing a service by telling the people the truth about this. And also, like I said, we've got senators, we got people in and around Trump at the White House who are going to be hearing this. And there's absolutely no way that that officer should be serving a day in prison for this. It's a, it's a total outrage of the justice system.

[Clay Travis]

Well, one of the travesties in this case, guys, is that from the beginning, our department refused to combat any of the lies. They've never told the truth about it. Our mayor at the time.

[Buck Sexton]

Super, did they fire you?

[Clay Travis]

No, they couldn't.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay.

[Clay Travis]

Violating law, violating policy. Wanted to. They demoted me down into the property room from, from my narcotics post. And when that happened, and the only reason they did is because I wrote a book and started talking about it to tell the truth. And they were trying to do anything they could to fire me. And I saw the writing on the wall and I wanted my pension because that was only I was gonna be able to feed my family. So I retired on my own accord because. Because they were trying to push me out and I wrote a book, 12 seconds in the Dark. And you get it on my website. And the, the only reason I wrote that wasn't for Famer notoriety, but because no one was telling the truth. Everybody had all these misconceptions of the case and I was frustrated. And so we put that out there and word has spread some. But when you're, let's just face it, I'm a nobody. You guys didn't know who I was except for what you saw in the media. So a nobody like me. It's hard to get the word out. It's hard to push this agenda when all the factors are against you.

[Buck Sexton]

John mattingly.com is his site. Officer Mattingly, thank you so much for shedding some very important light on this case. And we're going to stay on it. And a lot more people know about it now than did just a couple hours ago. So thank you.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I appreciate it and thank you guys for being the arbiter of truth.

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[John Mattingly]

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I mean that was I think an unexpected but incredibly compelling story that I think a lot of you probably have not heard because you may see the headlines but I don't think you've heard from certainly the officer who got shot going in on the Brianna Taylor raid or knew that a guy got nearly three years in prison for firing and not hitting anyone after he was the third guy going in when his buddy got shot.

[Buck Sexton]

The judge just hap this just happened today. Clay, just to be clear, I mean this just breaking news that's not getting a lot of coverage. I'm hoping it gets more coverage now Everybody you know, tell your, tell your evening TV show host or whatever to put this on cuz people should know about this completely. Just throwing the cops under the bus here because of the you know, post George Floyd rage mob on the street and the, and the Biden administration was just this is what you heard it from, from the office himself. Totally railroaded these guys completely.

[John Mattingly]

And I think the, the fact that this is not getting very much attention. They paid by the way $12 million to Breonna Taylor her estate. $12 million. I think a lot of you out there saying wait a minute, they were raiding a drug dealer's girlfriend who had been providing all sorts of according to that call and based on some of the evidence out there, clearly illegal conspiracy help to the drug dealing boyfriend and her family.

[Buck Sexton]

I think an executed person in the trunk of a car you rented is a pretty big red flag. I'm going to say that somebody executed with a headshot in the car, in the trunk of the car. You might want to find different people to hang out with at that point.

[John Mattingly]

Also, I, I don't know, I get calls when I have a ding in the car if I turn it back. I think a dead body in the trunk of the car that you rented would raise a few red flags. I don't know anything about that. Ask the guy I was letting drive around the car. Anyway, really compelling, I thought conversation there and I think Buck made the case and I think it's a very strong one that there should be 100% should be. I believe a commutation coming from the president over this case and again his Department of Justice suggests why not a.

[Buck Sexton]

Pardon in your mind? That's an important. What you don't think pardon? I think pardon. I think it's not just, I think the punishment's too wrong or too hard. I think the whole charge is, I.

[John Mattingly]

Think a pardon is certainly in order fact that you would allow this guy to go to jail for three years I think is absolutely bonkers. Right now. We've got a lot going on in the world of sports. Everybody is coming back to the NFL training camps and with NFL training camps, whatever your favorite team is, all the top players are back in camp by tomorrow. That means we're going to have preseason NFL action college football camps about to be underway. If you are a die hard football fan like I am, all you have to do is go to prize picks.com you get 50 bucks, you can start to do your research. Pick more or less on basically every athlete under the sun and you will be well on your way to being able to have even more fun watching football this fall. Get hooked up now you can play basically all over the country. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia. Prizepix.com My name Clay. You'll get 50 bucks to play with when you play $5. That's prizepix.com Code Clay. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton show. Lots of reaction pouring in to Sergeant Mattingly calling in from Louisville. If you only caught a part of that discussion, then the podcast version of the full interview will be going up and you'll be able to hear all of all the details associated with that. Kevin in South Florida. CC has a talk back relating to the conversation we just had again at the top of this hour with Sergeant Mattingly who called in from Louisville. Kevin, what you got for us here?

[Buck Sexton]

Clay?

[Clay Travis]

Buck, just great show. But just listening to this whole thing on Kentucky, I mean this is completely different than I thought this story went. I thought there was a no knock, they busted in, they had the wrong house. She was an EMP person for years.

[Buck Sexton]

On the job is what the media was saying.

[Clay Travis]

Had no idea she was a fired employee, didn't make it past probation. This is just unbelievable. This is how bad our government has gotten.

[John Mattingly]

Well, I, I mean thanks for the talk back. And by the way, anybody can react. 282-288-2800, 282-2882 if you want to call the show on any topics, you can also do talkbacks as he just did there. I just think it's emblematic of a fear of actually examining the totality of stories in the midst of the BLM era. Because this, remember this raid happened, if I remember correctly, March 13, 2020. And by the time it went public, it was immediately connected to everything that happened with George Floyd.

[Buck Sexton]

And so Breonna Taylor became one of the, one of the chant, the chanted names, one of the supposed martyrs of police racist violence. That was the story, that was the narrative and that is not true.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, look, Sergeant Mattingly says they knocked on the door for a full minute. They identified themselves as members of Louisville police. The guy almost died, got shot as soon as he went in. And then his partner is returning fire. The guy dives out of the way after he fired the shot. She's still standing there. She takes the bullet, but she's up with him and she gets hit. And then a guy, the third guy fires in because he thinks that his buddies are still under fire and he's.

[Buck Sexton]

Supposed to go to prison three years Hankison. He's the guy who just got. Yeah. 33 months. He should at least. I'll be honest. I mean the only reason I think not to do a full on pardon would be if you're worried about riots in Louisville as a result of this. And the way this plays with the media. I don't see that. This guy was convicted of deprivation of civil rights, which makes. That's. This is what I meant before. This is why I'm thinking about this. Because Democrats will do this. They will just find some charge that really some statute that has nothing to do with the conduct, but they'll create some BS rationale. And all of a sudden you're facing, you know, you're facing all this time in prison. I mean it's what is. What is the right that you're deprived of when there's a gunfight in your house because your boyfriend shot at somebody and someone shoots through the. What. What's the right you're deprived of? I don't. That's a civil right.

[John Mattingly]

I don't understand. I don't understand it at all. I mean, I think it's an example of.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, if somebody walks up to me and punches me in my face, have they deprived me of a civil right? I mean, the civil right to not be punched in the face? Well, then you can say that about anything.

[John Mattingly]

Yeah, I think it's these broad categories. I mean, we certainly saw it in the wake of Jan.6, where you can basically charge people with anything. I mean, what did they.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, that was construction of an official proceeding, which, as I explained, the reason they made that stat, that statute was supposed to be about essentially destroying all the evidence during a federal trial, for example. And you know that they make those penalties very severe with good reason, because it's a premeditated thing. It goes right to the heart of the justice system. People walked into a building. You walked into a building. You didn't even. We can see the video. They always show you the videos. The guys who are, you know, punching and pushing at cops. There are a lot of other people just walked around like, hey, look at. This is kind of crazy. They walked out, Clay. Their lives were ruined until Trump came along and pardoned them. Their lives are ruined.

[John Mattingly]

I just. I don't even know. I mean, here's an interesting. And I think, good question. How many people have gotten prosecuted for firing a weapon when a police officer got shot?

[Buck Sexton]

Has that.

[John Mattingly]

I mean.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, he said that was. That was quite a thing to point out that no one has ever been charged. No police officer has ever been charged in a situation where they fired their gun and nobody was hit.

[John Mattingly]

Well, not only didn't even hit anybody, but, yes, 100% correct, he didn't hit anybody. But the guy got. Maddeningly Got shot. My question would be, how many times are police officers getting charged with crimes when their partner gets shot? And what did he say it was? 12 seconds. 12 seconds is the amount of time that this entire process played itself out. I mean, again, I think that very, very few people know the facts of the Brianna Taylor case. You brought this up in the first hour because the sentencing has just occurred, and the Trump administration DOJ had suggested one day as punishment, basically, this guy didn't do anything. We'll give him a slap on the wrist. They Already fired him. And I think you're right. I mean, I think the difference is should you commute the sentence or should you pardon? And I think for a lot of people, that's a distinction without a difference. The pardon, obviously, in this context, I think I look, either a pardon or a commutation, I think would be appropriate. I don't think this guy committed a crime. I think on appeal, this is going to get thrown out because I just, I don't understand how you can justify it.

[Buck Sexton]

And also, it's one thing, you know, the facts that were laid out there. I've been on this case and reading about this case for a long time because what attracted me to this case as a national news story, other than the Breonna Taylor as one of the BLM martyrs chant that's out there, is I kept finding out things that were not in the official narrative. I kept, I kept reading things. Well, that's not, you know, that's, that's, that's not true. I mean, stuff, for example, about her, her address being used for this. This guy who was a very wanted criminal with multiple, you know, criminal cases ongoing at time that's relevant. Ok, they didn't just break into somebody's house. The cops didn't just kick in the door for no reason. But the media was all, everyone was terrified about stepping out of line on this at the time, even some Republicans, by the way. And it was just a moment of, like, psychological frenzy and breakdown and nobody was able to fight for the truth at that time. And, you know, you still have, I mean, people have been out there, Tucker's been saying it for a while, that George Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system when he died, for example. But we're still to believe that the choking on the neck was that he was murdered. I mean, that's the. There's somebody serving a very long prison sentence for his murder. But you'll notice that this is what Democrats do. They do vague federal charges. If they can't get clear state charges, you know, murder, abuse, you know, excessive use of force. If that doesn't apply, then they go to the federal playbook, assuming that they've got a Democrat running the doj and they try to bring some, some nonsense. Like what, like what they've brought here. I would just say, you know, what, what are the officers supposed to do differently under this situation? I don't. Is someone going to look them in the eyes and say, you know what, when, when you, when you go in on this raid if they had a warrant for it. You go in, someone shoots at you. You need to just take a moment, you need to say, hold on a second, guys, it's time for some violence de escalation here. I'm bleeding, but I want to take a. I mean, it's insane what they asked for. And as I brought up about the body camera thing too, what I see a lot of the time and again, I study use of force. I spend a fair amount of time, you know, with pistols. I'm pretty handy with a pistol, especially these days. I see cops where I'm like, I would have drawn down and fired a lot faster than they did over and over again. That's what I see. I see, you know, someone's running at them with a knife and they yell, stop, stop, stop, stop. Like 10 times. I'm like, I would yell it twice and then that's going to be it.

[John Mattingly]

So, yeah, I think the reality is a lot of these police officers, and I'm sure some of you out there that are listening, that are police officers, expect or have seen this happen. Police are becoming victims of violent criminals because they're afraid of being accused of being too aggressive to stop a violent criminal. And that's exactly what you're talking about. It doesn't take very much time for somebody to cover the distance coming towards you. But in the back of your mind, if you're thinking, oh my goodness, I don't want to be a household name. I don't want to shoot anybody. Right. Most cops do not get in the car every morning saying, I hope I get to kill somebody today.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[John Mattingly]

Most people are thinking, I hope I do not have to pull the trigger on my gun because they don't want to go through this.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, they don't talk about this that often, but it's true. Most cops after it depends on the departmental policy. But if you're involved even in the most straightforward, lawful discharge of your service weapon, you know, defending yourself against a maniac running at you with a hatchet or something. Right. Which, that stuff does happen to cops a lot of times. There's, you know, there's mandatory psychological counseling because, you know, killing someone is a big deal even when you're fully justified in doing it. I bring it up just because to your point, yeah. You don't have cops showing up like, you know what would be a really great day for me if I had to be involved in a lethal use of force incident that could seen me possibly thrown in prison, depending on how the facts go. If somehow I get, you know, fed to the wolves on this one. Even if I am defending myself, that could get me fired from my job. Even if I don't get criminally prosecuted, could get me sued. And, you know, it's just, you go down this whole list, they don't actually want that. But when, you know, cops, I mean, my uncle was career lapd, so, you know, when you spend time around law enforcement, you just see them as people doing a job with wives or husbands at home and kids that they're trying to take care of and provide for. It's a lot harder to just go, yeah, throw all those racist cops in prison. And when you spend time in some scary neighborhoods of some places of major cities, Clay, and you see what the really bad people will do sometimes to the other people in their communities, you really have a new appreciation for cops.

[John Mattingly]

Well, and that's the ultimate unfortunate legacy of blm, which to a large extent has been overturned is I think thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of people are dead that would have otherwise been alive if people had been able to be protected by police. We turned the actual good guys that are saving lives into the bad guys. And it goes back to what we talked about yesterday. Right now, what we're in the process of doing is erasing the awful decisions that I would say came out of the woke universe over basically the last eight years. I really appreciate this about 24.

[Buck Sexton]

I appreciate this about Trump and about MAGA as well. And everybody should, should have a, I believe, a level of appreciation for the fact that Trump doesn't come into office and say, all right, well, we took Ls, you know, we got losses on all that, and they, they gained ground there. But that's territory that can't be won back. That's why even something that seems maybe to some people as peripheral as the name change of the teams and Trump weighing in on that. No, no, if you're going to have a counter revolution against the Democrat Maoists, you need to have a counter revolution. Everything, all the above. Schools can't, you know, colleges and universities can't engage in race preferences anymore, in hiring or in admissions rather. And if they do, they're going to get sued. You can't pretend guys are girls for the purposes of sports. You know, we're going to push back on the name changes of military bases. We're going to. The old Republican way was, okay, well, that was a rough four years, but, like, maybe we can get some tax cuts going, guys. No, we're in a different era now. And and we should be thankful for that because fighting on this ground is what's going to be able to save the country over the long run. All right, Once a month I get a package and it's the most, I'm going to tell you this, the most exciting package I think I can get each month. And I always run down and grab it and I open it up. It's like Christmas morning for me except there's a lot of. Lot of meat in there. And it's from Good Ranchers. Good ranchers sends me my box. I just had steak night with Carrie on Saturday. I'm telling you, I'm a steak chef. Clay had Clay, you were here for a good Rancher steak night. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't always give the bucks to all the credit he deserves. Pretty handy. Pretty handy with the cash style.

[John Mattingly]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[John Mattingly]

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[John Mattingly]

Welcome back in Clay. Travis. Buck Sexton Show Rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program, we're gonna head up to Alaska Talk with Senator Dan Sullivan in the third hour of the program, but lots of people still weighing in with all the conversations.

[Buck Sexton]

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[John Mattingly]

News, news, serious, lots of good stuff. Crockett Coffee.com code book. I'll sign it for you. A lot of feedback rolling in, Jim. A former cop says, look, I'm a retired lieutenant colonel in the US Marine Corps and a retired law enforcement officer. You're both absolutely on target with championing the law enforcement side. On shootings. In my 20 and a half years as a cop, I never knew a fellow cop woke up in the morning, wanted to hurt someone. Bravo, Zulo Zulu, Jim. A lot of people.

[Buck Sexton]

Can I just add to this play there, you know, we never get, you never hear anyone who's in the, in the BLM anti cop side point this out. When a cop, we said this yesterday. When a cop does something bad. I mean, there was that case, I think, well, there's the, there was the case with Daniel Shaver in Arizona. He was a white guy though, who got shot. So no one really paid attention to it. But that was a horrible case on video. And then there's a, there was a case where the guy was running away, I forget his name, but he was running away from the officer was shot. And there was just universal revulsion and condemnation at what the cop did. It's not like they're, it's not like the people who stand up for cops stand up for cops when they do bad things. We just stand up for cops as a general premise because 99% of the time they're doing the right thing.

[John Mattingly]

That's right. And I also thought Sergeant Mattingly. And again, it's going to be up on the YouTube channel. You can go listen to it on the podcast. Top of the last hour. This is also really important. These guys are very often not allowed to tell their side of the story. The other side of the story gets told widely and it is taken without a grain of salt very often by the media that propagates all of that side of the story. The other side, the for instance, Louisville police side, they say, hey, there's an ongoing investigation. You aren't allowed to say anything, stay quiet, allow this process to play itself out. Meanwhile, the other side is completely telling their story to anyone that will print it. And by the time the swing back comes and you find out a fuller picture of what actually happened on that day, a lot of people have already made up their minds. And I think it's a sign that frankly, police departments need to do a better job of protecting their officers in a culture and a world where most people are guilty before they're presumed innocent instead of vice versa.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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