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Buck Sexton
Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off now. We are still enjoying basking in and celebrating the great accomplishment of President Trump and getting those hostages back from Hamas where they were being held and now safely home, plenty of them safely home with their families. We will continue to follow that story and also the efforts to get the remains of hostages who were held and were not kept alive by Hamas. Hamas has their blood on their hands. Well, we will continue to follow that story and look at what the next steps are going to be in the Middle east for the Trump peace process. But that is still, right now, I think the single biggest story of the entire week, the Trump Mideast peace deal. I want to just give that as, as a, as an overview that we're still on it and we'll continue to be talking about that. We can certainly ask Eric Trump about his dad's dealmaking coming up in the next hour. In the meantime, I had teed this up and did want to share it with all of you. So over on the Pivot podcast, which is a very big podcast for the lips, the libs really like this Pivot podcast. The NYU Professor Scott Galloway Clay weighed in. Now, I want to be clear. Kara Swisher had one opinion of Kamala Harris running in the next election, which, remember, is going to be about a year and a few months away. We're going to know if this is happening. So it's not far.
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Clay Travis
This is important. Like people are going to announce so quickly, the midterms are going to get snowed under by an open presidency on both sides. But yes, yes. Okay. So they are actively debating and discussing Kamala, as we have done on this show.
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Buck Sexton
And here is, and these are two high profile libs. High profile, some people are saying very high profile. And NYU Professor Galloway scare Kara Swisher. Here's what their takes are, respectively on Kamala running. Play 13.
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Clay Travis
What do you think she's going to do next?
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Buck Sexton
I don't know. I'll be honest with you. I think she wants to run for president. That's my impression. She's still young. Yeah. She is the best known one.
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Ad/Promo Voice
Right.
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Buck Sexton
Like, no matter how you slice it, she's got the most name recognition and a lot of men have failed and tried again.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
George Bush comes to mind. Lots of people do. John McCain tried a number of times. So there's no reason she shouldn't necessarily.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, there's no reason other than she'd lose for a third time and we.
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Buck Sexton
Wouldn'T have a female president for 50 years on the Democratic side. Can I just say so in this analogy, Clay, I guess you're with Kara and I'm with Scott. Just throw it out there. Not. Not only does he think Kamala would get smoked, but they won't have another female Democrat running for 50 years.
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Clay Travis
I think Kamala will not be the nominee. Nominee, actually, because of what Scott said. I think the grand poobahs of the Democrat party, who, let's be honest, are much more likely to rig their primary process than the Republican side is, I think that they are going to say after Hillary and Kamala, we can't have a female nominee. It's too big of a risk. And I think that's ultimately going to get Kamala's legs cut out from underneath her. Did you say this because we might agree on this? You said it. I think I saw it on Social. I wasn't in. My prediction, I think is the same as yours. It's going to be Gavin Newsom with AOC as his vp. Did you predict that ticket?
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Buck Sexton
Yes, I've said that. We said that before. So we, we agree on what it's going to be. That's what it's going to be.
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Clay Travis
But I think Kamala will run because I don't buy that she's going to find this UC Barbara.
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Buck Sexton
This is going to be a close but no cigar situation for me. Kind of like Buck island where for years I said Biden was going to. Was going to be the nominee and he was the nominee and he did run until the 11th hour and the 59th minute and then dropped out. I mean, that is, it was, it was so close. It's unfair that that that happened. That was an unprecedented situation. If you're going to be right, Kamala is going to run again and she is going to drop out before whatever Is Iowa first for them? Whatever's first for them.
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Clay Travis
They haven't even. They haven't even decided. It's a big decided nominee would be. Yeah, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
So they. She's not even going to make it deep into the process if she runs again. And I don't think she. I don't think she's going to run again. And when she is provost of. It can't be an elite school in California system because, you know, they have standards. When she's the provost of uc. I don't want to name it now because I don't want to offend anybody but you.
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Clay Travis
Santa Barbara. UC Santa Barbara.
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Buck Sexton
It's a great school.
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Clay Travis
It's a great school, but I don't think anybody's like, you know, really, uc.
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Buck Sexton
Third tier, just to be fair. Okay. You see, third tier, whatever that is.
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Clay Travis
It'S probably UC Santa Barbara. I'm not trying to take a shot at Santa Barbara. It's a beautiful place.
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Buck Sexton
We're losing listeners right now in the Santa Barbara.
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Clay Travis
There's a lot of really good cow up historically. I know some of them have lost their way. But I think. And I'm going to lose people here probably, I think you would say for most people in California, UCLA and Cal Berkeley would be considered the two biggest, best UC public state schools. Right. And then I think you would go ucsb, right. As a public. I think it would be the third on the list. And my point on that is UCLA and Berkeley, whatever you think, Cal Berkeley, they have faculty and they have an impact both nationally and internationally where they make news for doing things academically. Now, something. Sometimes it's ridiculous because it's like, hey, we're shutting down debate at Berkeley or at ucla. We're not going to allow Jewish students to walk through campus. I'm not saying they always make great news. When's the last time UCSB made news? I think people are just super happy to hang out in Santa Barbara and it's a very chill, good environment. But it's clearly the third on that list of academic power.
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Buck Sexton
Well, Kamala's going to be the chancellor there or whatever that equivalent is.
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Clay Travis
She's not going to UC Santa Cruz. All right? Like, she's going to go to somewhere like Santa Barbara. They're not going to give her Berkeley or ucla, I don't think.
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Buck Sexton
Well, you know, they gotta pretend that they care about academic ability at those places. I would think at some level, but maybe not here. Here then. So that's where we. That's where we are. Thinking about the Kamala situation. I'm. Now, I'm taking another. I'm taking a hard turn here because I want to know what's going on with this one. Things got a little bit heated over at. Over at the View. Things got a little bit. A little bit testy between Cheryl Hines and Sunny Hostin about RFK Jr stuff. Let's hear how this.
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Clay Travis
They had her on. I haven't heard. Yes, Like I'm.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, yes, indeed.
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Clay Travis
Okay, go ahead.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
Your husband is the least qualified Department of Health and Human Services head that we've had in history.
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Ad/Promo Voice
I didn't.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
I think that's a very dangerous, dangerous.
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Ad/Promo Voice
Why is he less qualified than an economist?
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iHeart Radio Announcer
I think that he is less qualified.
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Ad/Promo Voice
Than he has spent his career studying toxins, studying people's health, fighting for one guy who was using ground up for his job.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
He has also spread, spread a lot of misinformation, a lot of chaos, a lot of confusion.
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Buck Sexton
And I think it's.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
It's just a very dangerous thing. I say it with the utmost respect.
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Buck Sexton
Some of it's good and some of it's not. That's the point.
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Ad/Promo Voice
Listen, we all have different views.
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Ad/Promo Voice
And when you say, you know, misinformation, disinformation. We could go back to Covid when he's connecting circumcision. May I finish, please? When people. Fauci, people were saying, when you get the vaccine, you cannot transmit Covid. It will stop Covid. And that was disinformation, misinformation.
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Buck Sexton
We were also still learning about it. It was a novel virus.
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Ad/Promo Voice
Right, because now the doctors will acknowledge that.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
And Dr. Fauci has a medical.
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Ad/Promo Voice
They were censoring Bobby because Bobby said, where's the science to show us this? And there wasn't any.
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Buck Sexton
She did pretty well in that exchange. I've got to say Cheryl Hines, the. The actress and wife of RFK Jr. A few things there. First of all, Sunny Hostin, always going to the. To credentials is. Is very interesting. You'll. You'll note that this is something that people who I think always either did not earn their supposedly impressive or just don't have impressive professional credentials care so much about these things, especially for a job like what RFK Jr is doing for this administration. And then. And then beyond that, though, the we were still learned. This is from Alyssa Farah, who should be wearing a MAGA hat. Clay, the we were still learning about the virus is a completely unacceptable, unacceptable talking point that they cling to now. Because when we were saying, hey, you guys don't know, they said, shut up, we'll get you fired. We know. And that was the sin that they committed on that issue.
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Clay Travis
You're 100% right about that. And I thought Cheryl David actually did a pretty good job. Cheryl David, Cheryl Hines, she played. See, this is the problem. She played Cheryl David, Larry's wife on Curb for a bunch of years. I don't know what you think about this. First of all, when Sunny Hostin, to your point, goes straight to credentials and says he's the least qualified ever, I actually think a great response is I disagree with you. Who is the second least qualified? And my point on that is I don't even know that she could name very many HHS secretaries. So it's easy to come with a broad brush attack like she did on RFK Jr. But instead of defending, I think it's actually a funny thing to call out her lack of knowledge. Because if Cheryl David said, okay, we disagree there, I think my husband's eminently qualified. Who do you think is the second least qualified in the history of the hhs? Give me a name. Because if he's the least qualified, you had to rank them. Who's your top three least qualified HHS secretaries over the past 25 years? Then I think it goes into the lack of. It's easy to just toss out a blanket attack, but I guarantee you that Sunny Hostin can't name three former HHS secretaries by and large. Second part on this. Is it fair? Like, I give credit to the View for allowing Cheryl David to come on. And I think Cheryl David did a good job. I don't think attacking people's husbands. It feels weird to me. Like, Cheryl David should be able. Cheryl Hines should be able to come on and talk about what she believes. She's an accomplished person in her own right. I think she has a book out and that's why she's doing the tour and everything else. Attacks on husbands seems to me to be a. I don't know, it just, it. Does it feel weird to you to have somebody go on and just say, not you? Like, because she's her own public figure. In fact, I would argue for many people, they know Cheryl Hines as well or better than they do RFK junior To go on, attack her for what she believes or what she wrote. But to say your husband sucks. What's your response? It just seems like a weak line. Does that, does that make sense to you? Like, and then I also think it's funny.
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Buck Sexton
That's like, it's a classic thing with Sunny Hostin where she goes, with all due respect, did you hear that kind of muttered. It's like, like your husband's a dirtbag who doesn't deserve the job he has and he's reckless and like, people are suffering because of him. With all due respect. But that's not. There's no respect there.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, right. And they have had Jill Biden on a ton. And they never begin by saying your husband is the least popular president who's ever existed. And many people don't believe that he should run for reelection. What do you say to that? If you're going to have wives on and go hard at the one who happens to be married to a Republican, it doesn't seem like I guarantee you if this would be a fun test, if you went back and pulled the questions that they had for Jill Biden and you compared them with the questions that they had for Cheryl Hines, I think you would find them to be not even in the same stratosphere. So if you're going to go after somebody's husband in one, then the standard should be we rip husbands to shreds and expect wives to go on and defend them. And Cheryl Hines is actually an accomplished, very successful actress who has written a book about her life, is my understanding. So why not ask her more questions about her life and her opinions now? Hey, do you find it difficult to be married to someone like RFK Jr. Who gets attacked all the time for a variety of different things? That's a question I think she could answer that has to do with her relationship. But just basically, with all due respect, your husband sucks. How would you respond to that? They would never do that to Jill. They would never do that to Doug Imhoff, even though he's slapping chicks left and right, according to reports out there. So how do you not treat her the same way that you would Imhoff or Jill Biden in that context? Does that make sense? I mean, your standard for spouse treatment should be, I guarantee if Melania went on, they would say your husband is a alleged sexual assaulter, which is why she wouldn't do it. But if you're being fair as a guest, you should try to treat people the same, is my standard. And clearly they're not willing to do that.
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is why I think there's always lines. Right. Inviting somebody on your show at some level is like inviting them into your house. It doesn't mean you agree with them. It doesn't even have to mean that you like them. But you do have to maintain some level of baseline decorum, at least until they refuse several times over to tell you if they would pardon Donald Trump.
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Clay Travis
Then.
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Buck Sexton
Then the gloves come off. Clay.
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Clay Travis
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Eric Trump going to join us in about a half hour or so. We'll see what he thinks of his dad's big accomplishment. He's got the number one bestselling book in America, I think as well under siege about what went on with, with all the pressure on his dad. We'll dive into all of that. But we were talking some earlier, Buck, and I don't think we followed up on it. You went in doing a deep dive and I think Ryan Gardesky is going to be on with us tomorrow and we'll text him to give us the most up to date data. But we were talking about how Jewish voters responded in 2024 compared to 2020 and you said maybe like a 10 point ish move. There's a lot of uncertainty about exactly how it shook down. But what's the data that you found?
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Buck Sexton
3 to 10% shift. So a pretty given the circumstances of October 7th and the clear difference between Republican and Democrat parties on that issue, a pretty de minimis shift, Clay. And this just goes to for liberal Jews in this country, there are things that they just hold far more important than the state of Israel and are even willing to I think turn a blind eye to anti Semitism within their own party because of it. I really think that's the case. All my conservative Jewish friends, by the way, say that about their liberal Jewish cousins. I mean, that's what ends up happening.
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Clay Travis
Well, I think this also goes to the question I was asking about what has happened, the tremendous accomplishment that Trump has achieved in the Middle East. There's probably 45% of people that if Trump walked on water they would say big deal, who cares, right? There's almost nothing that he could do that would change their impressions of Donald Trump. And that's why I wonder even with tremendous, extraordinary success in the Middle east, how much it might be moving the needle when it comes to analysis. You know, where we move the needle a Lot to winning on price picks four out of the last six weeks. Pretty unbelievable. We have won with our prize picks pick. I'm going to give you a new prize picks pick pick on Thursday. But I want you guys to sign up and I want you to be able to play along in advance. So go to prizepix.com you can also download the prizepix app if you would rather do that. If you go to prizepix.com or you download the app and you put in my name, Clay, that's C L A Y. You will get $50 when you play $5. This is a fantastic company that does tremendous work just making sports a little bit more fun than they otherwise would be. NFL, NBA, major, major league baseball, college football, whatever the sport you love, price picks has got an opportunity to play. All you do is pick more or less. You can play in California, you can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia. Forty plus states, 13 million people playing along. Join us PricePicks.com code clay for 50 bucks. New pick coming Thursday.
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Buck Sexton
Day before we got Eric Trump come up a little bit friend of the show, son of the president, entrepreneur, business really business leader. I mean, entrepreneur. Also a whole bunch of things. So we'll talk to him about news of the day, his father's legacy, some of the things he's working on. But this Leticia James situation, Clay, I think is quite interesting. I read the New York Times most recent large piece on this story they wrote on it. And it is really a masterclass in doing everything possible to try to shift the playing field, the narrative in favor of, in this case, the defendant, Letitia James. Right. It's all. Oh, I mean, the storytelling, it's. It's really masterful. You should go, Clay, if you haven't seen this most recent one, it's like there was a small, modest colonial house on a street, the flutter of birds in the background, children playing at a nearby seesaw. And somehow this is at the center of a political. You know, it's like everything is fine. It's, you know, this is just in the. This is like Main Street America. And then the mean Republicans come along. You can almost hear the, the theme music becoming angry and, and dissonant. Um, but let's issue. James has got a, an issue here. Um, and that is she not only signed and this is all alleged, of course, right, because this is now before a court and she has been indicted. But the, the simple facts are she bought a home and got preferential treatment on the loan for that home because she Indicated that it would be an investment property. I own a bunch of investment properties, so I've been through this process. Yes.
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Clay Travis
She said it was a second residence.
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Buck Sexton
Right. I'm sorry.
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Clay Travis
Did not say it was an investment property.
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Buck Sexton
Wait, is that. Is. I got to go back and check.
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Clay Travis
I think. I think the way she said it was primary, but the. So let's break it down.
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Buck Sexton
She. Sorry. She said it was a second home for her.
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Clay Travis
I think she said it was a. She was not going to be renting it out. Because when you rent out homes, you know this because you've bought a bunch of rentals. When you're renting out a home, the down payments are higher and the rates you typically have to pay are higher. When you say it is a primary or secondary home because you are the occupier, you then are able to get a preferential rate.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. So here we go. This is. The indictment says that while Ms. James. I got this mixed up in my head. Ms. James indicated to her mortgage broker that she expected to use the house as a second home. She had instead used it as a rental property. Rental investment property. Renting the property to a family. Now, here's where it gets interesting. Or here's what they're saying. What she really did is not rent it and not use it. And this is where the thing gets a little bit more confusing. She didn't use it as a second home. She moved family members of hers into the home who then paid either no rent or so little rent as to be essentially de minimis. I mean, it doesn't. So she got the. She got the home as her home because basically then she's on the hook for both mortgages, her current home that she lives in and the secondary home. If she says it's a second house for her, if it's going to be something that she rents out, that changes the equation for the kind of mortgage she would get. Sorry. So, yes, that is an important point of clarification. But what makes this more complicated is that she didn't rent it out and she didn't use it as a second home. She just used it for nieces of hers to go and live in. Now, the interesting part of this is that according to a few reports that have come out, these nieces, or one in particular, that one of the nieces is a convicted felon now that.
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iHeart Radio Announcer
Or.
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Buck Sexton
Or. And I think is wanted also on additional charges in another state. That creates problems for you in the mortgage process or in the. Getting a loan and getting. So it seems like she may have falsified her loan application in order to help a felon relative get a home that that relative would not have easily been able to get a mortgage for. And this is where the preferential loan amount, and they think it's about $18,000, 18,900 comes in.
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Clay Travis
Okay, let me give you my defense attorney hat here. All of those facts. If I am her defense attorney in a Northern Virginia courtroom, here is what I am going to say about this. And again, I'm not saying that this is my argument. I'm saying pretend you're a jury and I am defending Letitia James and pretend the jury is made up 70% of Trump haters, 30% maybe of Trump voters. That might not even be an exaggeration, but let's say it's 70, 30. In other words, you know, there's 12 jurors. Let's say eight of them are Kamala voters and four of them are Trump voters. Just to roughly kind of lay it out there, do you think 12 jurors are going to convict? If her defense buck, which I think it would be, is when I bought this house, I intended to use it as a secondary residence to get away from the stress of New York City. You Virginians know how great of an area Norfolk is, how amazing it is to be able to get away. Then I had some nieces and family members who were destitute and out on the street. And I decided because I had comparatively more, that I allowed them to move in. I wasn't ever planning this, but I just wanted to extend the hand as an aunt to family members that needed help. And now they're trying to prosecute me for this. If I could go back and redo the mortgage, I would change it to be more accurate. But life happens and we adjusted on the fly. This is not intentional. They're coming after me because of my politics. Would 8 Kamala voters vote to convict if that is her defense?
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Buck Sexton
No, I think that she's. Look, she's got Abby Lowell as her, as her defense attorney. I don't think he's even. My guess is he's probably not even going to charge her. Is the kind of lawyer who usually gets correct mid to high six figure retainer and gets paid $1,000 an hour. That's what, that's what a white collar defense attorney, a top one. I've known some of them in New York. I have a friend who did this. That's what they make, you know, they say, you know, you got to give me a quarter of A million or a half a million dollar retainer and then a thousand dollars an hour.
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Clay Travis
So because criminal defense clients, as you may well understand, are not great about paying bills. So usually you're like, you better give me a big retainer because I'm not going to be trying to track you down if you get convicted to get paid. So that's the way this game works.
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Buck Sexton
Doing white collar defense, you know, stock stuff, frauds, things like that, you know, health care fraud. You generally are dealing with clientele that have some assets, especially on the Wall street side of things with insider trading. So that's where the high dollar white collar defense attorneys come into play. Ok, so she's got top tier legal defense. You raise a very good point about the comp. I've thought that all along. Look, we've told everybody, don't expect a conviction here, okay? That doesn't mean it won't happen. And we're not trying to. I can't make a judgment one or the other. I'm not on this jury, I don't know. But it's not a slam dunk. And to Clay's point about that, it's a grand niece, by the way.
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Clay Travis
Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Here though is the, here is the additional component of this.
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Clay Travis
The reports that are out that her.
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Buck Sexton
Grand niece has been living rent free with her children there. And there are reports that she, the grand niece, is a fugitive from North Carolina and has violated probation and still has a bench warrant out for her. That's what the reporting is as I have seen it as of this morning. So the one thing that's, you know, you're right, it's going to be I was trying to help my family. You know, it was a rental property. I just gave it to them gratis. But then of course that undermines the risk factors that go into the loan process. But still, there might be a bit of a tugging on the heartstrings there, but the fleeing fugitive thing may be a little, that may be a little bit of also a problem. Just because you're the attorney general for the state of New York and people might not want to cut you as much slack for, you know, playing around the edge here a bit when you're doing this for somebody that's also a convicted felon or might be a convicted felon.
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Clay Travis
Let me also give you a counterargument. I just gave you what I think the defense attorney case argument partly will be. I believe this house, correct me if I'm wrong, crew, I believe it was $137,000. That is the Norfolk. And I know I sometimes screw up the pronunciation there is it.
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Buck Sexton
Nor.
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Clay Travis
I don't. I want to avoid the curse word, but I feel like I'm supposed to pronounce it like it's a curse word at the end. Right. Norf. I'm not even going to say it because I get in trouble. So you guys in the, in the, in that area let me know how I'm supposed to pronounce it. But how many people do you think buy a secondary home in this neighborhood? I looked it up where a house costs $137,000. In other words, most people who buy second homes, it's. You're wealthy and you are getting away from wherever you may live. You go to a lake, you go to a beach, you go to the mountains and you're paying a decent amount of money for that second home. I think the reality is she bought this home intending for these grand nieces or whatever they are relation to her to be able to live there. I think she actually intentionally lied. So I think the challenge on this is if you're buying a second home and you are Letitia James and I think she has like a $600,000 or $700,000 place in the New York City area based on looking at the images of this house. It's not like she bought a farm in a rural area where it's different. This is like not that nice of a neighborhood in that this area of Virginia. I think she bought it intending to put her family members in this home. So I think she did lie. Now she may defend herself by saying, I thought I was going to go kick it in Virginia and sit on the porch and sip, you know, sip drinks on.
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Buck Sexton
She's going to claim that it was a change, it was a change in status that occurred after the loan. And that doesn't go to her.
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Clay Travis
That's the best defense she has. What I'm saying is if you actually look at the facts, if she had bought some riverfront property, that's beautiful view or she had bought some farm.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. Why would she buy this as a second. As a second property?
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Clay Travis
Most people don't buy second properties. My point on this, that are infinitely worse than their primary property. You don't want to go to vacation or at least not a different kind of place. Right. Like most people aren't buying second homes to go live to go live in a home that's far worse than the home that they live in now. Most people don't buy second homes. They're not wealthy enough to do it. Understood. But this was not. She was buying this for her family. I think she intentionally lied. Now I think she'll defend herself by saying, oh, I didn't know my family was going to end up in these dire straits here. But I think the facts actually don't support that argument.
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is like the old man rule that I've instituted, at least for myself, which is if I'm going to travel somewhere for, like, leisure, the bed has to be about as comfortable as my current bed or else I don't want to go. Like, I don't. I used to do. I used to rough it, man. I used to stay in, you know, I would go to, like, when I was a college kid, I would stay in places where. I mean, heck, I stayed in places where I wasn't even sure my stuff was going to be there the next morning when I woke up.
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Clay Travis
Right.
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Buck Sexton
I mean, that was just the reality of it. Now that I'm an old man, I'm like, what. What's the. What's the thread count? Is it quiet? Will they. Will they leave me. Leave me alone until at least 10:00am Like, I am very different rules now for vacation.
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Clay Travis
Well, I will just point out and all of you hikers out there are going to get angry at me. The wilderness has houses and hotels near it. I don't mind. Like, it's great.
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Buck Sexton
Clay's going after you campers out there. Clay is a city. Is a city, kid.
- [33:37]
Clay Travis
No, not even a city. Like, I'm fine. Like, I'll go on a hike. I will go go canoeing. I will go. I'm not really that excited about putting up a tent and sleeping on the ground. Now, I.
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Buck Sexton
We are. We are very simpatic on this one. And I grew up doing that because my dad liked to do it and I did not like sleeping on the ground. I like beds. I like beds. I like refrigerators.
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Clay Travis
Air conditioning has air conditioning. Every wilderness near it. Not necessarily in itself. There's always a place to sleep where you can still experience the wild. And so I am a. Let's go. Let's experience the wild. But then let's return to a bed. You know, humanity has evolved so that we do not have to sleep on the floors. And I think we just admitted that we both like.
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Buck Sexton
So we both like glamping. And about half of our audience right now is pulling our man cards. So I think that just happened. I think we both were on temporary man card restriction here on the show, Clay, because we. We see eye to eye on this one. I am not. I don't want to go anywhere where people are like, you might get eaten by the wildlife. Too bad, you know, you're visiting them. It's like, I'm, I'm not into that. I want to at least be able to like, get in my car and leave.
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Clay Travis
In fact, we had dinner with your dad recently and you and your brother were talking about being abandoned in the, in the wilds of Alaska. Oh, yeah, On a trip.
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Buck Sexton
The grizzly bears all around us and they're like, we may not be able to get you guys out. You might have to sleep here. We had nothing. We were just going to sleep on the riverbank overnight because we got dropped in by helicopter and the helicopter couldn't retrieve us and we were freezing and had no food. That was a, quote, vacation, okay? Ten years ago, that was my vacation. Hopefully you don't get eaten by bears in the middle of the night, boys. My dad, by the way, loves that stuff. He's like, you never feel as alive as when you think you're gonna lose the battle with mother Nature. Like, he loves that stuff. Stuff. I have no interest.
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Clay Travis
Hikers and campers are right now just furiously from there, we're gonna lit up.
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Buck Sexton
Lighting up in these emails and talk backs, but we just have it. I mean, again, we'll be safe. We'll be safe and warm while you guys are out on the trail.
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Clay Travis
That's exactly right. I mean, some of you still want to sleep in caves. That's not my thing, you know, like, oh, look, it's a great cave. It's dry. There might be a bear in there. I'll just stay in a hotel.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. A lot of campers coming at us. A lot of hikers coming at us.
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Buck Sexton
I'm sorry you're going to be throwing their gross freeze dried food at us any minute now.
- [39:18]
Clay Travis
But we have a, we have a ton of reactions. We'll get into some of these in the third hour. But but I do think what started all of this was the discussion of Letitia James. And I wanted to mention this and we may dive into it at some point in the third hour. Eric Trump going to join us at the top of the next hour. We shouldn't underrate what Lindsey Halligan has pulled off here. She is the 36 year old that Donald Trump put in charge of all of this area of Virginia. She has now gotten James Comey indicted and she's gotten Letitia James indicted.
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Buck Sexton
Let's see how these cases go. Clay, indicting a ham sandwich. As we know, we got Kyle in Anchorage, Alaska, by the way, an Anchorage native who I think has something interesting to say. Blade play, Go ahead. Hi, yes, Kyle here from Anchorage.
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Clay Travis
I want to let you guys know.
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Buck Sexton
As someone that lives in Alaska, loves the outdoors, loves spending time in the outdoors, I want to affirm your position, though. I'm someone that will hike starting at 6am all the way out to midnight. But I will make it a priority that I will get a hot shower and go back to my bed at night. Kyle, you're what we call a smart man.
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Clay Travis
A smart man, just civilized. I mean, this is what we did. We, we evolved to not have to sleep on the ground. You can experience nature's munificence. Did I pronounce that correct? The. The, the incredible aspects of nature without needing to sleep on dirt. When we come back. This guy doesn't sleep on dirt. Eric Trump. He'll tell us about his new bestselling book.
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