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- [00:01]
Clay Travis
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the program here. We've been breaking down a lot of different stories out there. Buck back, New dad, baby in the house. Very exciting. We'll continue to talk about that. Appreciate all the fabulous responses we've gotten so far. So Buck, I want to hit this story because I think it's important and I think it ties in with a little bit about what we were discussing, which is the inability to distinguish between good and evil. And in particular, this story is from Texas, north of Dallas, I believe. Frisco, Texas. And for those of you who did not hear about this story, a 17 year old Austin Metcalf was stabbed to death at a track meet by another 17 year old named Carmelo Anthony. Anthony has been arrested. He's been charged with the crime. He admits that he did it. It appears that his argument is going to predicated on some form of self defense. In other words, there is no disputing that he had a knife and that he stabbed this kid in the heart and killed him. The 17 year old who was stabbed to death, Austin Metcalfe, died in his twin brother's arms. This is an awful story. It has received a substantial amount of attention. In the wake of the stabbing, the family of Carmelo Anthony set up a legal defense fund and it was hosted by a individual company. And that fund has raised over $400,000. Now to be fair, the company that is allowing this fund to be raised is the same one. Their position is, hey, you should be able to raise money for your legal defense. We're not gonna make decisions based on what you're charged with, what your race is. They are going to allow it to be set up no matter what. So this is not gofundme, this is another one. But he's raised over $400,000. They just lowered his bail from $1 million to, to $250,000. Since you only have to pay 10% usually in order to get bail, that's just 25k of the 400,000 plus that has been raised for him. The family bought a new house, Buck. The family has reportedly bought a new house with the $400,000 that has been raised for this 17 year old who is accused of in cold blood murdering another 17 year old at a track meet. Stabbed him in the heart, killed him. What does it say for society today? I think you can tie this in with the Luigi Mangione case. I think you can tie it in with what happened on October 7, that someone can stab teenage boys. One can stab the other one in the heart. And over $400,000 can be raised. The bail can be reduced, which seems crazy to me. He's only having to pay $25,000 and they're buying a house with all of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations that has rolled in the family.
- [03:36]
Buck Sexton
Well, here's how, here's how I would. Would want to approach this, Clay. There are almost 20,000 murders and non negligent manslaughter cases in the United States every year. Right. Depends on the year. But let's call it roughly 20,000 murders a year in this country.
- [03:58]
Clay Travis
That's right.
- [03:59]
Buck Sexton
One kind or another. Why is this murder getting or alleged murder? Right. This is legally what we're supposed to say, but why is this incident. And the facts aren't in dispute. It's not like he's saying, I didn't stab him, he stabbed him to death.
- [04:13]
Clay Travis
Yes, everyone saw it.
- [04:14]
Buck Sexton
This is a. So why are there people who are donating money for this legal defense who have never donated money for anyone else's legal defense? Why is there this groundswell of people who want to assist the Carmelo Anthony family here, not the Metcalf family, notably not the family that just lost their boy for absolutely no reason whatsoever in the most vicious and violent way. They don't care about that family. They care about the Carmelo Anthony family. I think we, we, we have to ask this question. And I don't think that there's a, a single answer. I think there are, there are many different answers. I think that there are people who like to believe different narratives. I think there are people who like to feel like they are advancing the cause of justice by assisting those who are oppressed. It's one way of saying it because this is the other thing. I'm seeing people who are saying it's self defense. This is the line that you are hearing everywhere. And unfortunately, that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances. Yes. Because what they're doing is they're saying, well, Carmelo Anthony had a credible fear or a reasonable fear of his own safety and. Or life. And so he reacted in this way. If this is self defense, anybody who has a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across the country can murder that person in cold blood in front of their family members at a crowded event and get away with it.
- [05:52]
Clay Travis
It's true.
- [05:53]
Buck Sexton
And anyone who is donating money to this individual is really donating money to the most toxic and cynical and divisive aspects of American politics. I think that they are and society. I think that they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of a lot of discontent and resentment. And let's just, let's just be honest about this. They've decided that because this kid is black they are going to back him to the greatest degree possible while he stabbed this white kid to death. And you want to ask why is that? Are they trying to, is this supposed to be some kind of a reckoning moment? Are they trying to force some kind of OJ Situation here where it doesn't matter what he did? I mean what exactly is the point that they make with all this monetary and public support of this 17 year old who stabbed another kid to death in front of his dad?
- [06:54]
Clay Travis
I'll go time to kill for a second time today. But can you imagine the reaction if a white kid stabbed a black kid to death at a track meet, gets his bail reduced from 1 million to $250,000, raises over $400,000 and by the family buys a new house with would be the very definition of white privilege.
- [07:19]
Buck Sexton
Everybody people would be saying that it's a resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan or something. I mean they would be saying it's a white supremacist groundswell. That's what the media and I don't just mean totally media would be saying.
- [07:30]
Clay Travis
That there would be protest marches, it would be everywhere. And I don't begrudge producer Ali says well how in the world are you going to defend argue self defense. He has no other defense. So again I've been a criminal defense attorney. I don't begrudge the argument of self defense. When you admit that you stab somebody in the heart with a knife.
- [07:51]
Buck Sexton
Well hold on there is that applies to the, that applies to the lawyer. I'm talking about people that are buying this and saying I'm going to give money to try to help this this. Why does Carmelo Anthony's family does Carmelo Anthony's family should be, you know, begging for forgiveness and saying we're sorry that our son murdered somebody for no reason?
- [08:13]
Clay Travis
Yes, he has no defense. So the only defense he has is self defense. So yes, that's the legal I that makes sense. That's the only, that's the lawyer's job. That's the only defense he has. But why would anybody else buy into that? And how in the world do you reward the family who has failed? Look, if you're 17 year old, white, black, Asian or Hispanic stabs another kid to death at a School event, you failed as a parent in some way. I'm sorry, you did. So the idea that the parent would be rewarded, you can't tell me that the, the kid took a knife to school. If you are taking knives to school, this goes for anybody out there. Your kids, your grandkids, something's wrong. I told my kids this recently. I said, hey, I understand that people have guns. If you're a high school kid and you find yourself out with other high school kids who have loaded weapons, you've made a very poor decision. You need to extricate yourself from that situation. If you find yourself taking knives that could be used to stab someone to death to school, you have failed in some way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.
- [09:33]
Buck Sexton
And so I really, yeah, I agree with a lot, of course, but who is donating to this? Like the real thing? What is the mentality? Why are you giving money? To this day, he has been assigned $400,000.
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Clay Travis
Not even just donating, donating tons of money.
- [09:51]
Buck Sexton
This is what I mean. Who is giving money for this and what is the mentality behind that? You would, you would have to, to truly believe this was a self defense case, you would have to be such a moron that you can't spell self defense. There's just no way. It's not possible.
- [10:11]
Clay Travis
I think it's identity politics. I think it's purely, hey, this is a black kid who killed a white kid. I would bet if you go and look at the donors, I think a large majority of them would be white liberals whose brains are broken. And I think black people who are buying into the idea that because this black kid stabbed a white kid that he is somehow the victim and he's being cashiered by the media and attacked unfairly. So I think if you went and looked, I think this is the other thing, Buck. I think this would be 95% Kamala Harris voters, right. If they voted at all.
- [10:46]
Buck Sexton
95% Democrats who are donating the money, 100%. But I mean, when you, when you think about, again, I just the mentality of somebody. So is it for some of these individuals, it's, you know, there's like guilty white liberal, you know, guilty conscience white liberals who think, I'm just going to help this young black kid because he made like a mistake and I don't want his whole life, so they're going to write a check even though he murdered somebody or allegedly murdered somebody. Right. And, and then you, I guess you have members of the black community who are just Deciding, well, he's black, so I'm going to stand with him in this. But to that I just want to say, why would you stand with this black murderer and not any of the others that you see? I'm like, why are you picking this? Because it's a high level case where he killed a white guy. Like, what message are people trying to send?
- [11:36]
Clay Travis
I think the message of racial division. Here's another question and I think answer that makes this story again. I hate that this is a story, but I do think it is a snapshot of the world in which we live. For some people, if he had stabbed a black kid, which is far more common, right? Most victims of racial violence are the same race. If he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation, but the kid's black, not one person by and large would have heard about it. Nobody would have raised money for him. I doubt they would have dropped his bail. I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news. It certainly wouldn't have become a national story. White kids lives in the eyes of the media, are worthy of COVID when they are taken violently in a situation like this. It's happened so regularly to young black men that if a young black man kills another young black man, it's barely a blip on the national radar. The only reason this is a story is because there was race involved. If it's black on black crime, not a story at all. That's the other part of this. And nobody donates to the guy of the $400,000 buck. I bet he wouldn't have been able to raise $4,000 if he had stabbed another black kid to death.
- [12:53]
Buck Sexton
Think about the poison that will be injected into the veins of the American populace if this kid is either hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as a possibility. All you need is, you don't know.
- [13:09]
Clay Travis
What the jury know, what the jury.
- [13:11]
Buck Sexton
Is going to know, what a jury is going to do.
- [13:12]
Clay Travis
Just needs one, right?
- [13:14]
Buck Sexton
And now what we've seen is there's a movement to make this kid into some kind of a victim. The facts are not in dispute, OK? You don't @ an event, at a high school event where there's people everywhere, you don't get to just pull a knife out and stab somebody in. By the way, I've said this to friends of mine too, Clay, because this does matter. You know, you can pull a knife out and this is a bad thing to do, obviously, but if you pull a knife out, you know, you slash somebody on the Arm, you know, you, you, you kind of, you know, you go like, hey, buddy, like the next one.
- [13:44]
Clay Travis
For most people, if you pull a knife out, it ends the entire confrontation without you even having to wave it anywhere. People are like, dude, stab somebody in.
- [13:53]
Buck Sexton
The heart is to go for intentional lethal force right away. When you're under no threat, it is vicious, it is barbarous, and this kid should spend the rest of his life in prison. I mean, I know the Supreme Court said he's not 18, so they won't, you know, you can't go beyond life in prison, but the fact that people are raising money for this is, it's just, it's just appalling.
- [14:19]
Clay Travis
How about dropping the bail? Why is the bail getting dropped from a million 250? All you have to pay is 25k to get out of prison after you stab somebody to death. That seems wild to me.
- [14:32]
Buck Sexton
How do you think if you're a J6 defendant who walked into the Capitol building for like three minutes and took a selfie and you were denied a trial for over a year while you sat in solitary confinement in D.C. how do you, how would you look at this? I know it's all the federal versus state. Yeah. But it's all our justice system. Does that seem fair to anybody? Look, we're having this conversation and I think it's an important moment to just remind all of you. Politics when it comes to self defense is a big thing. And if you have to defend yourself, especially in a state like California or New York, you need someone to have your back when you do lawful self defense. And this is where US Concealed Carry Association USCCA comes in. They have over 860,000 responsible gun owners as members across the country. I'm one myself. The USCCA mission is simple. Protect and prepare Americans like you through training, education, and self defense liability insurance. If you're going to carry, if you're going to own a firearm, you need to have this. You need to have this. The bills that people end up running up for lawful self defense, mind you, lawful self defense is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, easily in a case. Go ask any lawyer if you're going to defend yourself against a felony, you know, a felony charge for defending yourself, it's, it's really important you have uscca. I have it. Clay has it. Clay's a lawyer. He knows it's important for you to have this for anybody involved with carrying or owning firearms. And you might have seen this. There was a guy, he was a former special operations guy, just attacked by some maniac with a brick in New York City. He was waiting for his daughter outside of a yoga studio. Maniac attacks him with a brick and he, you know, he ended up putting that guy in the hospital. You don't think he's going to get sued? The maniac is probably going to sue him. Just so you know. I mean, this is the way it works in liberal lunatic places like New York and California, but anywhere across the country you could have a Soros da. You need uscca. Download the free Concealed Carry and Family Defense Guide at this website uscca.com buck that's how you get started again. Download the free Concealed Carry and Family defense guide@uscca.com Buck Buck. You can also find this information on clayandbuck.com under our sponsor tag.
- [16:54]
Clay Travis
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- [17:10]
Buck Sexton
All right, welcome back to Play and Buck. Let's get to a quick talk back. We'll take more talkbacks and calls coming after the break here in a moment, but this is J.J. richard from Spokane, Washington on this case we just discussed play.
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Caller
Hey Clay. Hey, Buck. Richard from Spokane, longtime listener. Congratulations, Buck. I think that the family of the the teen that was stabbed by Carmelo Anthony ought to file a lawsuit and never let them enjoy that house, do just like they did a civil lawsuit and just get all that money.
- [17:45]
Clay Travis
Yeah, it's a great point. I'll talk about that when we come back. I would be stunned if there isn't a wrongful death lawsuit filed at some point. In the meantime, when you switch to Pure Talk wireless service, you're not just getting unlimited Talk, text and 15 gigs of data with a mobile hotspot all in America's most dependable 5G network. You're also getting some of your money back because PureTalk plus plan start at just 35 bucks a month. Think about what you can do with all those savings. Plus right now you can get a brand new Samsung Galaxy A26 for free. All you need to do is switch to Pure Talk, dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck. PureTalk's US based customer service team will help you switch in as little as 10 minutes. That's £250, say clay and Buck for your free Samsung Galaxy with a qualifying plan from Pure Talk Wireless by Americans for Americans. Super easy. You can keep Your same phone number. All you have to do is say, clay and buck. £250. That's £250. Say clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story. And again, I think from down in Texas, the stabbing family buying a brand new home. Let me tell you something, Buck. $400,000 gets you a really good home in many parts of Texas. That is not even just a. That's a really good home that they're buying off legal defense fund donations. Now, I question whether that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices of, hey, we're going to retain really good lawyers who could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, criminal defense attorneys could. And then you use the money that you ostensibly were raising for legal defense to buy a home. That seems like a misappropriation of the funds that were raised in the way that they're being used, paying the bail money. That would be somewhat understandable because it is connected. The fact that the bail was dropped from 1 million to $250,000 is crazy to me. The fact that you can kill someone and get out of prison for 25k blows my mind. Um, I don't know the standard dollars that are applied here. Again, for people who don't know, usually you have to put forward about 10% of the bail money and the other parts covered. But the fact that that could end up in this situation. Alan Dershowitz, cut 29, is saying what we just said, which is, and it's interesting because it's. Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense attorneys for O.J. simpson, but he is saying, hey, if the race dynamics here were reversed, everybody would be talking about it in a totally different way. Here's cut 29.
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Alan Dershowitz
This is all about who the jury is. This will all be determined by the jury. If the racial factors were reverse, if a white man had killed an unarmed black man, everybody would be on the reverse side of this. We live in a society where everything is judged by race. You know, the Bible says to judges and prosecutors, don't recognize people just do abstract justice. We're way, way, way beyond that. If the racial elements were reversed there, virtually all the people who are calling for him to be acquitted would be calling for him to be convicted and vice versa. Let's not kid ourselves. We live in a race conscious society. And jury selection, which of course your other guest is so brilliant at and did so well in the Zimmerman is determine the outcome of this case without a Doubt.
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Clay Travis
So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of hinted at Buck would determine. Now, I don't know what the makeup of juries in Frisco, Texas typically is, but again, I'm just focused on what we know has happened here. Stabbing definitely occurred. Only defense is self defense. That seems very weak to me from a legal perspective. And the family has now bought a new multi hundred thousand dollars home and he's only had to pay $25,000 to get out of prison for this. He is profiting and his family is directly off of murdering in cold blood a completely innocent 17 year old at a track meet. And I'll take some of the calls. Some people are saying, well, this could be self defense.
- [22:04]
Buck Sexton
I, I'm sorry, actually it cannot be self defense because there's no reasonable way to explain how a verbal dispute over seats could turn into I have to pull a knife out of my bag and stab you in the heart with it. If that now is the standard of self defense. Anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically get away with killing them and say, I don't like what he said to me. I was scared, I feared for my life because I don't like the look in his eyes.
- [22:37]
Clay Travis
I also think the point you raised is a really good one. You should not have a knife that is capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or at school related events. But for 99.9% of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife, the dispute is over. Right. There are not very many people who are going to. If you are unarmed and someone holds a knife to you, most of us are not going to be Crocodile Dundee and pull out a bigger knife and be that's not a knife, this is a knife. Right.
- [23:11]
Buck Sexton
Actually, I trained with some guys from Fort Bragg who are edge weapons guys back in the day. Just a little introductory stuff. I'm not, you know, Tommy Lee Jones and the Hunted, which is a pretty cool movie for all the knife fighting they do if you haven't seen it. But anyway. But I did some introductory stuff for them, Clay, and one thing they just said, they're like, you have to understand if somebody has a knife and you're, you're, you're barehanded, you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going to get caught, you're going to get stabbed and you know, you're, you're in a, you're in a lot of trouble. If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing, you're going to Die like you're basically the disadvantage is much stronger than everyone sees. These things in the movies were like they catch someone's wrist when they're about to get stabbed and they go like karate chop, karate chop. That's not how it works. I've seen videos of teams, SWAT teams in a stack coming in and a guy has a knife and he's able to stab. You know, they do this, it's training, right. But they'll show on video. He was able to get like two or three carotid strikes on these guys before they could even shoot him. And that's. And so this is what people don't realize, like a knife is a far more lethal tool than most people understand. And to stab somebody in the heart, that's not. I mean that is. You went. He went for a. Effectively a kill shot right off the bat.
- [24:21]
Clay Travis
And his. You may have seen some of the data on this many people stabbing someone with a knife. We talked about this in the context of the Idaho murders, right? The, the allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and everything else. It is for many people a far more violent, personal, deadly and sociopathic in many ways way to kill someone than the remote nature of a gun. And I'll give you an example. Historically, Buck, you know, in the Civil War every musket by and large had a bayonet. But actual hand to hand and bayonet fighting was very rare in the war by and large because it was seen as so much more violent and brutal and nasty to be trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the end of your rifle than to stand and shoot at people from a distance. In other words, this is a particularly violent choice that this 17 year old made. And for him to be being rewarded for it and for it to be largely ignored in the national consciousness is I think just a sign of our inability to distinguish good and evil.
- [25:40]
Buck Sexton
Something else that I would just say because this is obviously already playing out so much in the press. So it's not like they're holding back. There's not some big reveal that's coming about facts. We don't know if there was some relevant basis for the self defense claim like, oh, I thought he said he had a gun and he reached for it. Which there's nothing like that at all. But if there was something like that, you would already know. Yes, because they would want that out there because they know a jury pool is going to be formed and they would want, you know, there is the. There is this kid was in the wrong place. Anthony, he was in the wrong place. And this kid, you know, it's sports. People get a little, you know, Clay, you know all about this. People can get a little riled up about their sports teams or whatever. He's like, hey, you're in the wrong place. They exchange some words. And then he says, well, he, like, grabbed his backpack or something. I think that's. That's my understanding of. Of how this went down. And someone grabbing your backpack. Again, the context matters. This isn't a dark alley with two people. These are two people who are rival high schools. There's parents, there's adults around. There's security there. They're in broad daylight. They're in public. There is no reasonable basis for believing that your life is in jeopardy and you need to kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your bag. I also throw this out there. Is it legal to have a knife on. On. On school grounds like this? No, of course not. So he's got an illegal weapon. Everybody. How about we. How about. Why haven't you heard that more? Why haven't you heard more that Anthony. Carmelo Anthony was carrying an illegal weapon? You think. You think that wouldn't come up if this was a little bit different? I remember because some of you called in about, what about Rittenhouse? And we can talk about that all day, because I actually know Richie McGinnis, who was there, an eyewitness, and had to testify about it. And the guy that the guys that Kyle Rittenhouse shot attacked him, and one of them had a gun in his hand when he was shot. Okay, so this is not even vaguely comparable situation, but the Democrats were all saying, well, he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines with it. So it's like, well, he's law. He was allowed to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took it from Michigan and crossed state lines with it, maybe that because they were desperate to make it seem like it was illegal for him to have the gun. That was the whole game.
- [27:56]
Clay Travis
And also, they were trying to make it look like he was crossing state lines with a weapon to try to kill someone, even though it was just a suburb. And it's like he lived 10 minutes from the state line or whatever. For people who live close to a state border, crossing state lines is not actually that big of a deal in many of your lives.
- [28:11]
Buck Sexton
This is what. This is what I mean, all of a sudden, they became, you know, legal formalists and, like, extremely detailed about any possible violation when it came to Kyle Rittenhouse. But this kid's carrying a knife long enough to kill somebody. That's also a thing. I mean, you really, you know, I mean, I could get into this, but there's actually a length of blade that is able to puncture places that can puncture and kill somebody. I mean, you can get in some of the specifics of this. I'm sure some of you from the military side have edge weapons training. You know what I'm talking about? There's a length of blade that makes it, you know, if you have a. Basically, if you have a 2 inch Swiss army knife. Yeah. I mean, you could stab somebody with it and you could do harm, but it's very, very hard to, you know, to puncture the sternum. Very, very hard to get into the sub. Subclavial artery and the, you know, kind of the neck. Sternocleidomastoid region. It's very hard to do that if you have a knife that's long enough. It's actually not hard to do that at all. And this kid clearly did.
- [29:08]
Clay Travis
And I just come back to if you truly were worried about the situation, the minute you pull the knife out, Everybody's done, right? 99. Unless you are Jason Bourne, people are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of their own. That. That entire interaction would have been over the minute he brandished the knife. If he truly felt threatened, everybody would have been like, whoa, dude. All right?
- [29:33]
Buck Sexton
And then. And then everyone walks away alive. And this kid maybe is, you know, suspended or expelled from school and goes before a judge and maybe does 60 days in juvie and is told, you ever do something to this again, you're in big trouble. But, you know. No. Stabbed him in the heart. Stabbed him in the heart. You're going to tell me he didn't know what he was doing? Think about the mentality. And also this thing, too. They're trying to say, oh, you know, he's a really good kid, too. I'm like, you know, guys, please. All right. There's been no sense of any. No sense of remorse, Clay, from anyone who is taking Carmelo Anthony's side in this at all. No sense of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalfe. No sense of, oh, my gosh, what a. Now they're trying to say it's a tragedy on both sides.
- [30:20]
Clay Travis
Yeah.
- [30:21]
Buck Sexton
No, no, no. Actually, it's a tragedy on one side. It's a criminal and a tragedy. It's not the same thing.
- [30:26]
Clay Travis
And I mentioned this. I should have circled back to it. There will be wrongful death lawsuits. I would imagine if this individual is convicted or even if he is not, the standard of liability is beyond. Like, clearly this guy would be guilty, culpable for the monetary damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen in a civil context. The standard of proof is much lower. So yes, the family could theoretically seize back this home, but I would suggest this violates the donation terms to be buying a home instead of actually retaining a lawyer, which is what people were donating for.
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Buck Sexton
Well, at this point, you know, I think the bigger question will be, does he, does he take this all the way to trial and does he think that he can get a jury? You know, does the defense for Anthony think that they can get it? All they needed is. Clay knows very well. Better, better than most. All you need is one person on that jury that just says, nope, not happening. Even if the rest of them say, come on, it's obvious, hung jury. And then things get messy, you know, and then does the state want to retry this? And you get into all this stuff. It's not that hard. And it looks like they're gearing up for that. And I just. The message that this would send the country is terrible in all counts, in all ways. It is really, really bad. And so it would be. Even the. This is what I mean by this, Clay, is even the people who are clearly like rooting for, for Carmelo Anthony in this, in this situation, it would be better for them too if he actually faces justice and has to, you know, and has to serve time for this. I mean, that, that is actually better for everyone, better for the country. But we'll see if that ends up happening. Look, we're talking a lot about self defense here. And you know, I'm a dad now. And one of the profound things, things you have, and the dads out there all know this and the moms know this too, but you have this little being and you would do anything to protect them, right? And. And you feel that way. You also want to have the means. And that can involve force escalation. And look at how important we're talking about a story where there was no force escalation and you know, somebody used a weapon the wrong way. I want you to be able to defend yourselves in the right way and have non lethal options to keep yourself safe, but not have to make that decision about lethality right away. And a lot of people are just more comfortable with this and they know that in so many situations it will be more than sufficient. And this is Where Sabre comes in. I think Sabre products are fantastic. I'm actually giving my mother in law who's visiting us a bunch of Sabre products to take home with her because she feels like she is more comfortable having those and using those. Yes, I got a whole safe full of guns here but I've also got my Saber products and Carry feels more comfortable with the Saber products. And if you're going to, you know a lot of places where you can't conceal carry, for example, you want to be able to have pepper spray. Sabre has the best pepper spray in the game. Their pepper projectile launcher too. Clay and I have trained with this thing out there on the range. It is really well crafted and designed. It feels good on your hands, easy to operate and it fires a six foot cloud upon impact of irritant. That's just going to stop anybody who's creating, you know, a menace and a threat to you and your family. Find dozens of other Sabre products. So many I can't even get them all here. But great home defense and self defense products. Non lethal@sabre.com Sabre radio.com say 15% on that website today. That's S A b r e radio.com or call 844-824-SAFE. That's 844-824-SAFO news you can count on laughs too. Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Want to take some of your calls and and get to all of your thoughts on everything we talked about today. Also on the self defense side of that quote, self defense, obviously I don't agree with that claim at all. I think it's farcical. But got some thoughts on that. We'll take calls on it and we'll dive into it and talk backs. We love live calls. We love. But the TalkBack on the iHeart app. Just go to the Clay and Buck page on the iHeartRadio app and use the function that we press a little microphone. And I just want to say thank you to all of you who have downloaded and listened to our friend David Rutherford's show on the Clay and Buck Podcast network. Rut as I call him and his SEAL friends call him. He is a great dude. He's a patriot veteran, former Navy seal, deployed combat, the whole, the whole nine yards, Clay, the numbers that he is getting already from this audience. Fantastic. So you guys have really taken to his show and I appreciate that. If you haven't, go check out the David Rutherford show in the Clay and Buck Podcast Network. And also great time to tell you about Crockett Coffee, if I can. We have a new exciting product coming out soon. I know that's a bit of a tease because I can't tell you what it is yet, but it's going to be awesome. Something I think you're going to love. But in the meantime, Crockett is growing every month because of all of you. Please go to crocketcoffee.com subscribe Over 10% of our profits goes to Tunnel the Towers Foundation. We've got fun events that are in the works as well at some of these historical sites that we will be telling you about. And if you use code book, you still get a signed copy of American Playbook. Clay, are you moving soon? Because what's going to happen to all those books? We got to get rid of any books you have on here.
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Clay Travis
Well, I think we're first of all, I have no idea. My wife is in charge of the new house that's being built. So. But I believe we are going to be in a new house in October and it's going to be pretty awesome. I'm looking forward to it. It's been being built for a while, but I know this because my wife has people already starting to pack up some things. And some of you may have seen this on Instagram. All of her shoes were laid out in our bathroom yesterday. And my jaw dropped at how many shoes she had. 90 pairs. And I A lot of you reacted on Instagram. Now she says she doesn't throw shoes away, so she's had them for a while. But the amount of women that said, oh, I've got way more shoes than that blew my mind.