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Buck Sexton
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Buck Sexton
Welcome in everybody to the second hour of Clay and Buck and we got to talk about it for a Couple minutes here.
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Buck Sexton
People are freaking out a little bit. And I'm here to tell you maybe for a change, it's all going to be okay. Don't freak out about the hantavirus. Do we say hanta or hanta? I don't know. I hear it both ways. I think it's a tomato, tomato situation. But there is certainly. There's certainly some concern out there because of what has happened on a cruise ship. Let me bring you up to speed on. On what's going on. People are being monitored now and there's contact tracing underway. Oh, I know where you're having all these flashbacks. Contra contact tracing on my, I may point out, was an absolutely absurd waste of time and money very early on in the COVID Clay. Now I'm having flashbacks to like May of 2020. Yeah. What? Yes.
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Clay Travis
No, no, I was just going to say, since you're having flashbacks to Covid. May 11th is the deadline to charge Fauci with anything according to statute of limitations. I've seen Rand Paul say he's got a big hearing coming on May 13, but I've seen Senator Paul and maybe we need to get him on next week, too Ali to. To talk about that hearing. But May 11, I'm seeing everywhere is the date now. Yes. Fauci was pardoned by Biden. There could be questions about the validity of those pardons. This is one where I'm going to sign with you, Buck. The process is the punishment. I don't even care if Foushee were convicted. I think there is ample evidence to indict him and then just make him pay and fight in the court of public opinion and the court of law over whether these indictments are legitimate or not. His number two assistant has been indicted for lying and hiding different emails. And that seems like a very clear cut case. I would love to see Fauci. Just wanted to jump in there. I would love to see Fauci charged by May 11 for being science.
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Buck Sexton
Clay. For. For. For pushing forward the numbers and the data so that I could make sure that we made all of the worst possible judgments about these mitigation measures. Do you guys all remember that? Mitigation measures having flashbacks.
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Clay Travis
Very, very negative ones.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. By the way, they mitigated nothing except your enjoyment of your life and your freedom to go about your day to day. To which, I might add, there was a whole debate about contact tracing. I remember filling out and I was the one who tweeted. Clay, as I came, I visited my brothers, who now are Floridians like me, they were just visiting too, but they were staying for months at a time. Visited my brothers in Florida, in Miami, while New York was in full lockdown mode, basically, and came back and said that this is the closest thing you can experience in 2020 to being somebody who would have left East Germany, got it across the wall and gotten to West Germany. You know, that's what it felt like. Florida to New York. It's very, very real. But I remember the contact tracing. This is all going to tie into hantavirus in a second contact tracing debate. And people kept saying, but it works. And I kept saying for STDs. Do you need me to draw you a chart, Dr. Fauci and co. You tend to breathe in the same airspace a lot more than you tend to have intimate partners that can be tracked for STDs or STIs as they also call them. That was really the argument people were saying, but it were, you know, it works. Were. Were for syphilis cases. Yeah, because, you know, you can ask somebody. Who do we need to call here? I don't think you can tell everybody that you've breathed near in the last week that they have to go get themselves checked. Point being, it was absurd then. It was a complete waste of time and it should have been obvious to people, but they were playing this game. A highly contagious respiratory virus. You're going to contact trace that hundreds of thousands, millions, tens of millions of cases are going to. I mean, the whole thing was absurd. Okay, hantavirus. Why is everyone all freaked out about this now? A person aboard a cruise ship died of hantavirus
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Clay Travis
last.
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Buck Sexton
This happened last month. Six Americans disembarked in St. Helena, which is a remote island in the Atlantic. A very remote island in the Atlantic Ocean. Americans are now back on U.S. soil. Three states are monitoring them. None have shown symptoms. Basically, CDC said there was a hantavirus outbreak aboard a ship. People are freaking out. Now. There's been some concerns. Understand that usually clade is zoonotic transmission. So it's animal to human, basically from aerosolized rodent feces and urine. Just saying this is what happens. And it's often when people are cleaning. It's a very rare disease. That's the first thing. It's a very rare disease. Dozens of cases, max a year, I think in the United States. Like 20 cases, 10 cases, something like that. Unfortunately, it has a fatality rate of about 30%, which is like a hundred times the fatality rate of COVID actually in reality. So that's why people are so freaked out. But there is no reason to believe that it is highly transmissible. And even if there has been human to human contact, they believe it would only be for people who are in. In very close, confined settings for long periods of time. So as long as it stays there, we're all going to be fine. What say you, sir? Other than it's another strike for the cruise industry for me? I got to tell you, I'm not a cruise guy. Not a cruise guy. I can do a boat for a few hours. That's about it.
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Clay Travis
I actually said this, I think off air yesterday because there's been some talk about us doing a cruise. And I said I would be, you know, if we went around and we had. We did the show from a boat. But I then when I saw this story, I was just thinking, can you imagine if the hantavirus outbreak happened on our cruise and we. We just had to stay, keep doing the show for weeks, trapped on a cruise ship because we have to quarantine? It would be. I would go bonkers. Here's my big concern about this story, Buck. I don't think there's anything the government could tell me after Covid that I would believe having to do with a virus that is spreading and what the experts are telling me that I need to do and what I need to be aware of. I think we have so broken public trust. This is why I want Fauci charged. We have so broken public trust in the wake of COVID that many of you out there reflexively, and I understand it, don't trust the government on anything. The government could say, hey, it's. It's better for you if you get eight hours of sleep and eat healthy. And there's some of you out there that would say, what, I don't know that I buy. They just broke public trust. And so my fear has been for some time. You just said what, 30% fatality rate? What if actually there was a deadly pandemic that truly broke out? Would you trust the government on what to do? I just wouldn't. And I don't think anybody would really.
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Buck Sexton
This is a huge problem that we have now because there are very few institutions that people still trusted in this country pre Covid and the health industry, I should say, the health bureaucracy was generally one of them. Yeah, there was some gun violence tracking that they would do at CDC that was clearly partisan. And there were some things, but usually it was like, we don't want you getting, you know, aids, herpes or the flu. So here's information for you to avoid these things. And, you know, there was. It was pretty. We could all be on the same team about. We don't want people getting nasty diseases, fatal diseases, or even just things that are going to put them in the hospital. So that all went by the wayside during COVID when they betrayed us over and over again. And to your point about, you're talking about hantavirus, which fortunately is highly. While it is highly lethal, which is very unfortunate, it's very difficult for it to be transmitted. Whereas you think about something like, this is why I knew that mask. People like, how did you know that masks were a total joke? First of all, because they were coming on and coming off people's faces all the time. Which, you know, if you wear a raincoat half the time you're going for a walk in a downpour, you're getting wet. There's. It's not like, well, I wore a raincoat half the time, so I'm. No, you're getting wet. It's done. So it was very obvious. But also, if you look at the data, Clay, the CDC had very clear data on measles. And if you're in a room with somebody who has active measles and you do not have measles immunity, Even with an N95 mask on, your chance of getting measles is after like 15 minutes, is like 85%, you're getting measles. If you're in the room with somebody who, who has it, that's it's hyper transmissible. Hanta is kind of the other end of the spectrum. So that's a much better thing. But when you talk about fatality rates, Spanish influenza, which wasn't even really from Spain, but that's a whole other conversation. I believe it really started actually on American military base, was the latest science on this, I think in Nebraska. I forget where exactly somewhere in American military base. But it's a really bad flu. Essentially fatality rate, I think on that, Clay, was something like 3 to 5%. And it was.
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Clay Travis
And it was overwhelmingly devastating to young people, which was the scariest.
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Buck Sexton
The second. The second wave of it was killing people who were in their absolute prime of both life vitality. And you would think immune system function. So that's why it was particularly devastating. And so many people died from it. But if we had a. I mean, the real fatality rate, it's funny because they can't, you know, funny is not really the right. You know, hold on a second. Contact. Tracy. I'm Getting some, some things from people. But I'm, I'm hearing clay people are freaked out about this now. I think we're all going to be fine. It's the bottom line. We're all going to be fine.
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Clay Travis
I, I think so too. And, but again, the thing that I would say is. So this is the. Take a big step back. One of the things. And I've got a story here that I was going to share with you in the third hour because it kind of was wild. One of the things that the AI is going to do so much, it's going to create opportunities for people who are really trying to make the world better. I think on a level that has never occurred before. It's also going to create opportunities for people who want to just make the world burn down. And the ability to create new viruses, I think without huge investments is going to skyrocket. And instead of the Wuhan laboratory, where this and I believe Covid came from, we're going to have a lot more of people doing this. And my concern is no one trusts the CDC now. No one trusts basic health information in the wake of Fauci and what they did to us during COVID If we actually had to your point, a true pandemic that was utterly destructive on a level that Covid was nowhere near. My concern is a lot of people will not trust any guidance that they.
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Buck Sexton
Well, and I think you'd have. This is what I was going to go with. This you would have full like societal breakdown very quickly because the COVID and I'm going based off of the Gemini AI overview on this right now. So this is just the first thing that comes up. You know what they say the fatality rate for, for Covid is.23%. But then they say highly variable depending on age, vaccination status, etc. Well, vaccination status. Nice work, Gemini. On age and health condition. If you control for age and health condition, the act. The fatality rate of COVID 19 for a 40 year old, a 30 year old, you know, man or woman who isn't morbidly obese and doesn't have like severe, you know, like asthmatic issues or something is.0001%.
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Clay Travis
It was basically, you were more likely to die in a traffic accident by far than you were to die of COVID if you were somewhat healthy. And again, people who died with COVID you had like eight different illnesses that were all going simultaneously. So it wasn't as if the number of people who died with only Covid, I think is infinitely lower on how
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Buck Sexton
many people did you actually know personally who were claimed to have or who were said to have died from COVID 0. I knew one and he was a, he was a spouse of a frontline health care worker in New York who is a chronic smoker with a history of, of lung issues. And they put him on ventilators, which
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Clay Travis
is died because they, in retrospect, for people who didn't, you know, when we built millions of the hospital actually killed
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Buck Sexton
him is the truth. If they had let him stay at home and given him steroids to help him breathe, I think he would have been fine.
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Clay Travis
Yes. So they actually did awful treatment of so many people in the early days of this. But by the way, the other part of this too, Buck, is can you imagine if we had another pandemic during Trump, whatever Trump said, even people who were on the left and, and were saying, oh, you can't even go play tennis, you're going to die. Shut down all the parks. They wouldn't trust anything Trump said either. So we would just have a complete, I think your argument, complete societal breakdown if we had another outbreak pandemic style in the next few years. Because I don't think we've worked through the, the ptsd, frankly, of the COVID era.
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Buck Sexton
Never forget, never forget this either. Going into the Biden Trump election battle, the Democrat party line was we can't trust this vaccine because Trump oversaw.
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Clay Travis
That's 100% right? Yes.
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Buck Sexton
And then when Biden won, it was get the vaccine or you lose your job like that overnight. Totally switched. That's how partisan these people are. They are insane and they're just as crazy now. So let's hope that the rat poop virus does not become highly transmissible because it's going to turn into Mad Max out there real fast. I think the chance of that is extremely, extremely small. So I don't think we're going to have a return of Fauci ism over Hanta. But wash your hands. These days you can buy just about anything you need online. That includes trees and shrubs for your yard or your plants for your home. Fast Growing Trees.com is the website I want you to check out. These trees will grow fast because they arrive perfectly matched with the weather in your area. They've been grown by expert horticulturalists, company's America's largest most trusted online nursery. Carrie and I just got a whole bunch of bamboo, which looks really cool on our, on our balconies now in Miami. And we got exactly the kind of bamboo that we wanted and it looks great and it's thriving because Fast Growing Trees has experts experts that will really help you with this stuff. Bruce or Alley's latest purchase is an outdoor shrub called Cat's Pajamas Producer Alley. That sounds cool. I had never even heard of that before. Now I have. Thanks to Fast Growing Trees. You're learning about your plants, your trees, your stuff that is growing and green and they're alive and thrive Guarantee is fantastic. That's how well they've nurtured your new trees and plants. They specially prepare them for the trip to your home too. Get it done online. Use the experts who bring you the best. Go to fast growingtrees.com find the trees and plants you want, even perhaps Cat's Pajamas. Use my name Buck as your promo code for 20% off your first purchase. That's fast growing trees.com promo code buck for 20% off it's like having your
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Clay Travis
Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, we are going to be joined by our friend, best selling author, one of the bestselling authors in all of America right now. He's got a couple of great shows that have been originating from his books. Jack Carr is in our New York City studio. He's going to be with us here in just a bit at the bottom of the hour and then in the third hour we'll dive back into the the primary race and also get into some of the decision making on the ongoing uncertainty in Iran. All of that coming our way but a lot going on. And I also want to hit you with this AI question in the third hour. Buck Chat GPT. I don't know how much people use chat GPT, but the Wall Street Journal this week published a incredibly alarming questions that were being asked by a kid who wanted to shoot up the school. And I want to read this entire exchange and I want people to kind of think about this because I was just saying AI I think is going to give people with good intentions opportunities that we've never seen before to further the world in a positive way. But man oh man, there are going to be some truly awful results that come out of AI and how should we handle some of these queries, these questions that are being asked? I, I think the courts are going to be grappling with this for a long time to come. So I've got a fun sort of hypothetical for everybody to discuss in the third hour a little bit from now. Ah, that's what we call teas in the business.
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Clay.
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Buck Sexton
Apparently Clay Travis was the second choice for the protagonist name, but they went with Chris Walker. So you were close, buddy.
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Jack Carr
But next time.
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Buck Sexton
Next time. Exactly. Next time. I still, I keep telling Jack that he's got to have a character who's a smug CIA analyst with poofy hair. Cause we'll all know, we'll all know
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Jack Carr
what's going on is going to be a dead giveaway.
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Buck Sexton
Hey man, Jack, we're so glad to have you on. We got a lot of things to talk to you about including. I'm not, I don't, I'm not trying to, you know, break any sacred cows here. I love the Terminal this series. I actually think I like Dark Wolf even more. I watched the whole thing on Amazon. We'll get to that. You also wrote and create that, which is a great. I'm a Taylor Kitsch super fan as well as a Jack Carr super fan. So there's a lot of, a lot going on here. Tell us first about, tell us first about the Fourth option, if you will, which just came out now, this new series. New book.
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Jack Carr
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But first off, hey, I'm in New York. I can't see you guys, but this is a nice setup here. So we got the audio rolling. You got this nice pen right here. We got the clay and buck pen and microphone. I mean, this is amazing. This is fantastic. Got the news going right here. Can catch up on things. But fourth option, yeah, it's my take. It's a. My modern take on the Old west narrative of the Stranger Comes to Town. So inspired by have Gun, Will Travel, which was a radio show first in the 50s, then a TV show in the late 50s into the 60s. And I used to watch that with my dad when I was growing up. And I always wanted to write something that had a touch point with those. That old Western mythology that is so American in nature. So that Pale Rider, for those who remember Pale Rider, Shane, High Plains Drifter, a little Magnificent Seven thrown in there. And because I'm a child of the 80s and this focuses on police force in. In New Orleans, there's a little bit of Lethal Weapon in there, maybe a little drop of Airwolf, A Team, A Magnum and the equalizer from the 80s for those who remember that show back then. So all of those things became part of my experience and really, I think, imprinted on me at a time when. When I was between like, say, 8 and 18, 10 and 20. And I think what you do in those years really imprints on you in a different way than something that you would do at age 30 or 40 when you have a spouse and kids and have to get to soccer practice and pay a mortgage and a car payment and all those sorts of things, have a job. So all of those things became part of my experience. And this is Chris Walker. And instead of jumping on that horse and riding into town as that stranger, he gets in his Volkswagen Westy Pop Top camper with his Belgian Malinois dog. He's a former SEAL and CIA paramilitary operator and heads to New Orleans to dish out some Old west brand of lethal outlaw justice. So it's wanted to set up novel in New Orleans for a long time. Trained. Was trained in Louisiana in the SEAL teams a bit. And then on the weekends we went to Bourbon street out there in New Orleans. So there's just a lot of color to that city. And that's the backdrop for the fourth option.
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Clay Travis
So how do you decide to go and create new characters? You've obviously got the two shows that are thriving. You've already sold a ton of different copies with existing characters. How do you decide? Hey, I'm going to go in a new direction.
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Jack Carr
Yeah, it was. It's a risk obviously to do these sorts of things. And Simon and Schuster, my publisher has been with me for, for everything. Just like the targeted Beirut series. So nonfiction, that's a risk as well. Even some of the things that I do in the Terminalist series are risky. Meaning True Believer, my second novel. I think most editors would have taken out the first third of that book, but I really wanted James Reese to go on this journey, learn to live again on this journey as he goes across the Atlantic and then ends up in Mozambique and then uses the skills that he acquired in Iraq and Afghanistan to focus on the anti poaching team in Mozambique there. So looking at this from the fan perspective, being a fan of Tom Clancy as a kid, he started out with Hunt for Red October, then it was in Into Red Storm Rising and Patriot Games and Cardinal of the Kremlin and Clear and Present Danger. In the early 90s he branches off into the nonfiction side of the house with a guided tour series and a Study in Command series. And then he does some co written thrillers as well to expand that universe. So looking at that model, but applying it to obviously a 2026 type of a timeframe, it was just something I could do to explore other characters outside the James Reese Terminalist universe. And this is the first one in what will hopefully be many characters and universes that I create over the years. But this is the, the first one and if, if pre orders are any indication, it's. It's looking pretty good.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, well, absolutely. We're speaking of Jack Carr. The fourth option is his latest and you know, we're excited for it. I've. I've got it, I've got it at home and I've got a whole bunch of. I've basically got a Jack Carr shelf.
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Jack Carr
You're awesome.
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Buck Sexton
It's funny too because if I did it alphabetically, you'd be near all my old Tom Clancy books. You mentioned Tom Clancy, Jack. He's the reason I joined the CIA. The whole Jack Ryan character, 9, 11 happens. I'm like, I could be an analyst. That guy was an analyst. So these books can have profound effect on people. But you know, one thing I remember my, one of my other childhood author favorites saying Michael Crichton was one of the great things about the success he had had. Which is similar to you, just a whole series of books that, that people, that the readership loves is that it creates the space and the access for him to do what he wants to, like create what he wants to create and get made what he wants to get made. You're in that space right now, which I think is just a dream. Like getting published is a dream for so many people. But then getting the place where you get to make the projects you want to make. And is that what led you to Dark Wolf? Like, where are you now in that creative process?
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Jack Carr
Yeah, I mean, on the book side of the house, it's so great because never. And I didn't know how it was going to be when I stepped into publishing. I thought my only kind of expectation was that an agent might be like somebody from Californication or Entourage or Jerry Maguire. That's my. Because I had no experience in Hollywood or in publishing and I didn't know how publisher or agents would be. And if they try to guide your quote unquote career or give you suggestions on what to go next based on their experience. And I get nothing like that. It's, it's complete creative control when it comes to the books. And I have 100% support from the publisher. So that's fantastic. So if someone hates the book or loves the book, doesn't matter. It's either it's my fault or anyway, it's like it's all on my shoulders. But then we go to Hollywood and in that space, it is a team sport. 100% a team sport. There's 350 people on set. There's probably a thousand people attached in various ways. And then there are notes that come from scripts and then cuts of the show all the way to the top of Amazon and back down. And all those notes need to be addressed. And there are so many places that those projects can totally go off the rails. It's a miracle that anything gets made in Hollywood. It's even more of a miracle than anything good gets made in Hollywood. So. Because there's just so many opportunities for things to go off the rails. But it is also so much fun to be able to create something like a Dark Wolf because of the success of the Terminal list. So that opens doors because obviously Amazon has the data, they know who's watching. They can look at the reviews. In the case of the Terminal list, that was audience reviews, the critics weren't, weren't too fond of it. But Dark Wolf, both critics and the audience score was up there. So as long as you keep hitting, you know, keep hitting, hitting it, not, not out of the park, maybe you don't have to. But we did with the Case of the Terminal list and that opened a lot of doors, allowed us to do Dark Wolf, which was really cool. Focus make it make a espionage thriller rather than like a military conspiracy type of a thriller. And then now we have True Believer, second book that's coming out. I think I can announce this. It might slip up a little bit here, but in the fall. How about that? Should be coming in the fall. I think Pratt or somebody is going to announce it very soon. And it's looking great. So we filmed that in Toronto, in South Africa and Morocco, and it is an awesome looking show. So fired up to get that out there too.
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Clay Travis
When you write the books, do you have an idea of who might play them in a television or movie adaptation in the back of your mind as you're writing it? You got Chris Pratt, who most people know, Taylor Kitsch, you mentioned Texas Forever. I don't know if Buck signs off on this, but. But on air, meaning broadcast television drama, I'm not sure that Friday Night Lights has any competitor. I think it's the greatest on air drama that's ever been made. I'm a little bit biased because I love sports and football, but the Tim Riggins character that Taylor Kitsch played is one of the greatest certainly in television history. Are you envisioning that at all as you work through the process? Oh, these guys could make sense. And, and how do you go about finding these guys? Do you recruit them? Do you, do they reach out to you? How do you end up with such big time stars and what are these dudes like? I'm just kind of fascinated by how this all comes together.
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Jack Carr
Yeah, I think, I don't think there's a model for it. But now people are reaching out to us because they're hearing about what our sets are like and how different it is from a lot of other Hollywood sets. Meaning we have Chris Pratt at the top, we have Antoine Fuqua up there, director, we have Dave Dijilio is the showrunner. And it's such a positive environment and they're so encouraging and they want to see everybody, no matter what department they're working in, make it to that next level. So people are now hearing about that and wanting to be part of the show. So that's, that's pretty cool. And also it has the track record of success, so there's that piece of it. But for Chris Pratt, being a child of the 80s, I wrote my first line for the Terminal list in December of 2014. And of course, I wrote that first line. And then I stopped, put my. Put my pen down, and thought, who's going to star in this masterpiece? Oh, Chris Pratt. He was just in this movie called Zero Dark Thirty. So I got to see him change from Andy Dwyer and Parks and Rec into this Navy seal. This guy needs to do this for his career. It'll be very helpful for him if he does this. And then I continued writing, and then of course he does Guardians of the Galaxy and Jurassic World and all these things, become an A list star. But my friend who from the SEAL teams, he calls me out of the blue in November of 2017, so six or seven months before the book comes out. And I look at my phone and, and pick it up, and he says, hey, this is Jared Shaw. Do you remember me? And I said, of course, Jared. And he said, you remember what you did for me in the SEAL teams? And I said, no. And he said, you're the only person that sat me down in your office, talked to me about getting out of the military, introduced me to people in the private sector. You followed up with me. No one else did that. I sincerely appreciated it. I've always wanted to thank you. And I said, no problem. And he said, I heard you have a book coming out. And I said, yeah, it's coming out in a few months. And he says, well, I'd like to give one to a friend of mine, if that's okay. And I said, sure. Who's that? And he said, chris Pratt. So I was like, wow, this is very convenient for me. And I sent it to Chris Pratt. He read it and wanted to option it the next week. So I don't think that's the normal way that these things go down, but it's. It certainly was what was handy that, that, that Jared, that was.
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Buck Sexton
That. That's amazing. By the way, can I ask you. It's funny too. Clay and I think also agree if I was writing like a thriller, Navy seal, CIA thing, of course, starring the analyst who writes really good papers about what's going on in the scary places. But if I were doing that, Chris Pratt and Taylor Kitsch would be the first guys who had come to mind. So Clay and I, we both co sign on that. That's just so cool that. That you managed to pull that off. And it's been such a success. I have a nerdy question though, to ask you guys. Go get the fourth option. I know every time we have Jack on Jack Carr with this now, people like, I love his stuff. I'm like, yeah, that's why we have him on. So go buy his. Go buy the latest, the fourth option. Get ready for the one in the fall. If you haven't seen Dark Wolf on Amazon prime, go check that out. I've seen the whole thing. It's awesome. I love the beginning stuff, by the way, in Iraq reminded me of Mosul 2007 in a big way. So that's a whole other thing. Like, I was like, oh, my gosh, this is this. You know, because you have people that really know this stuff, like you, Jack, who are writing it. Sorry, I almost lost my train of thought. But I was going to say my nerdy question for you is video game. Has that been something you've considered as an expansion of the franchise? Kind of like a Tom Clanty, Splinter Cell, Seal Team 6, you know, or Rainbow 6, rather. Is that in the conversation at all? It is.
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Jack Carr
Let's say that's in the conversation. Of course, from the fan perspective, I was very aware that Tom Clancy did these things as he continued to exp his readership and his audience. So actually right now there are some talks going on, but of course I don't want to, don't. Don't want to ruin it or jinx it, but you know, the odds of something like, who knows? But yes, it's in the conversation. How about that?
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Buck Sexton
I mean, Clay, you know, some of those. Some of those first shooter franchises are multi billion dollar franchises. So it's a big. It's big business.
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Clay Travis
Big.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. It'd be amazing to see a terminal list. All right. I had a feeling it might be in there. I don't want to get, get ahead of us. That would be really cool, too.
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Jack Carr
That would be fun.
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Clay Travis
No, and my kids play those games all the time, Buck. The crazy things are the updates, the skins, you know, the outfits that you can wear, the guns that you can have, all that different stuff. Jack, one more time. Book title. When's it going to be out? Where can people find it?
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Jack Carr
Yeah, yeah, the fourth option. And it comes out May 12th in audio. And that's read by Ray Porter, who's an incredible narrator. Ebook also. And then there's book tour. It's coming out if anybody wants to stop by and say hi. And I love book tour because you get to shake somebody's hand, look them in the eye and thank them for their support. Really. And a lot of times people come through and they say that, I haven't read a book since it was assigned to me in high school. I found these. I love them. And here's my son who's reading it too, and he's in junior high or high school. And it's just so cool to try to create new readers because there's very few places where you can actually develop empathy and compassion. And one of those ways is by putting yourself in someone else's shoes. So in the pages of a thriller, in the pages of a novel. So through fiction you get to do that. And really scrolling on social media and looking at those comments or making those comments does the opposite. It seems to develop the opposite attribute. So I try to encourage people to read as much as they possibly can. If someone wants to improve their life, put down that phone, pick up a book, dive into the pages, particularly a fiction, to develop that empathy and compassion that seems to be missing in a lot of today's world, especially in online discourse.
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Clay Travis
Amen. Look, we were both big readers here. We appreciate the time, Congrats on all the success and we look forward to hearing more different, awesome things as you continue to expand your horizon.
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Jack Carr
Oh, thanks so much. I love talking to you guys, Appreciate all you do, and hopefully I'll see you both in person soon.
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Buck Sexton
Amen. Jack. Thank you.
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Jack Carr
Take care.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
I am super rough on, like, a couple of things. One is, Jack is one of the nicest. He was the. Once the CIA cleared my book, Clay, him and my official editor was like, the first people to read the book.
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Clay Travis
Oh, wow. The full book. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
So. And he was super kind and very encouraging. And, you know, I love people who are. Who. Who win and like, seeing other people win. Don't get too high on yourself, but you're one of those people too, so it's a very nice trait that you have. You know, it's true. But you like to see other people win. Jack is all about that. And. And he likes to see other people do well. The Dark Wolf series. So he's just a very generous person, you know, a very good guy. And the Dark Wolf series is awesome. It's a little bit faster pace. I mean, I like Terminal List. I felt like it could have tightened up a little bit. I mean, obviously I watched Dark Wolf because I liked Terminal list enough as a. As a. I love the books, but I'm talking about the. The, you know, the series. Dark Wolf is awesome. Really, really good. So get. Get the fourth option for sure. And something else, Clay, where I feel like he. He is pushing reading, I think so important.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Buck Sexton
Reading books. Books. Not tweets, not, you know, not like, scrolling on your phone or whatever. Sit with a book. You know, I've really set up a corner now in my home. That's my little book reading corner where, you know, once the baby's asleep and if Carrie's asleep before me, I can go and read at night. I try to read every night before I go to sleep. And I read to my. My son, even though I don't know he knows what's going on. Clay, Everyone should get. Should be reading themselves and get their
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Clay Travis
kids to read books, too. Amen. Read as much as you can. We come back. State of Tennessee has officially voted on a new congressional map. We'll tell you about that and more.