Hour 2 - Drawing the Line on Immigration

Summary

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The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – Drawing the Line on Immigration

Date: December 11, 2025

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Overview

This episode focuses entirely on U.S. immigration, with Buck Sexton (solo for this hour) launching into a fervent analysis of the latest legal battle involving an alleged MS-13 gang member and exploring the broader consequences of illegal and legal immigration to the United States. Buck dissects current events, historical patterns, and policy arguments, tying them to questions of national identity, culture, and political will. With his trademark intensity, he navigates everything from the technicalities of deportation to cultural assimilation, weaving in media criticism and audience perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Abrego Garcia Case and Its Broader Context

 [02:35–07:00]

• Buck Sexton opens with coverage of a federal judge ordering the Trump administration to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged MS-13 member, from ICE custody.
• Outlines Garcia’s convoluted legal saga: attempts to deport him to multiple countries, a botched removal to El Salvador (which the Supreme Court said was illegal), and ongoing questions about his gang association.
• Buck positions this as emblematic of America’s “broken immigration system,” lambasting both parties (“100% of Democrats are terrible on immigration and half of Republicans… are pretty terrible”—[05:35]) and compares the intractability of the issue to the national debt.

2. Scope and Impact of Illegal Immigration

 [07:00–13:00]

• Rebuts the official estimate of 11 million illegal immigrants, contending the real number is at least 20-30 million, possibly much higher (“They let 10 million in under Biden and they’re planning to never leave”—[08:07]).
• Plays a clip from Stephen Miller on how immigration “masks” the true performance of American public policy sectors:

  “If you subtract immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden our test scores skyrocket... If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden, we don’t have violent crime in so many of our cities. Issue after issue... these are a result of social policy choices that we made through immigration.” – Stephen Miller [08:40]

• Buck insists that Democrats want to keep “all” illegal immigrants and only feign enforcement when politically necessary.

3. Historical and Political Manipulations of Immigration Data

 [13:00–16:30]

• Accuses Democrats of redefining deportation stats to “juice the numbers”—using catch-and-release removals at the border to inflate deportation figures, especially under Obama.
• Frames Reagan’s 1986 amnesty as a major mistake, contrasting it with Eisenhower's mass deportations.
• Argues that public sentiment has periodically shifted toward stricter enforcement, highlighting the enduring American ambivalence.

4. Merit vs. Diversity in Immigration Policy: Trump’s Perspective

 [16:30–21:45]

• Shares Trump’s controversial remarks favoring immigrants from high-functioning countries (e.g., Norway, Sweden) over those from failed states (notably Somalia), with Buck reflecting:

  “There are countries that people want to live in and countries that are crappy. This is true.” – Buck Sexton [17:31]

• Critiques the narrative that the U.S. “is a nation of immigrants” always benefitting from new arrivals, suggesting instead that U.S. immigration policy is a “global DEI crusade” and a “welfare ward.”
• Clarifies that being selective is about policy not prejudice:

  “It’s not about not liking the way someone looks, it’s not about judging someone because of their skin color… We’re making policies to benefit Americans.” – Buck Sexton [19:57]

5. Assimilation, Culture, and the ‘Sweden Model’ Thought Experiment

 [21:45–32:00]

• Argues the “melting pot” model is breaking down; assimilation isn’t guaranteed, drawing from European and U.S. examples where newcomers don’t learn the language or integrate:

  “I think we’ve reached a point in America where the foreign born population is too high, meaning that we need to slow things down.” – Buck Sexton [24:06]

• Offers a provocative hypothetical:

  “Would [Sweden] still be Sweden if they brought in 5 million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis?... Is it the same country?” – Buck Sexton [28:17]

• Questions why only Western countries are expected to open borders as a matter of principle, while Asian countries are not.

6. The Media’s Immigration Narrative and Assimilation Counterpoints

 [32:00–37:30]

• Responds to CNN’s Abby Phillip challenging Trump advisor Stephen Miller (“Why are you assuming that assimilation is not happening?”).
• Buck counters: not all immigrants assimilate, and “there are people here who speak no English, who live here, who are here forever. They speak no English.” – Buck Sexton [34:28]
• Says shared law, language, culture, and history are foundational for a functional nation.

7. Drawing the Line: Policy, Gratitude, and Welfare

 [37:30–41:48]

• Asserts it’s valid for Americans to object to funding welfare for illegal immigrants:

  “The Americans who are already here, we’re allowed to say, I don’t want to be… giving 40% of my income to the federal government so I can pay for foreigners who have arrived here...” – Buck Sexton [36:28]

• Calls for an honest debate and policy reform, insisting the conversation on immigration is no longer taboo.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Buck on Bipartisan Blame:

  “100% of Democrats are terrible on immigration and half of Republicans, I would say in the 21st century… are pretty terrible on immigration.” [05:35]

• Stephen Miller (guest clip):

  “We mask the impact of immigration… The deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of social policy choices that we made through immigration.” [08:40]

• Buck on Selectivity in Immigration:

  “We have to draw the line somewhere. We have to have some what’s generally true policies.” [31:32]

• Sweden Hypothetical:

  “Would it still be Sweden if they brought in 5 million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis? Technically, yes... Is it the same country?” [28:17]

• Audience Participation – Wrapping Paper Tangent:
  (A humorous aside—listeners debate whether birthday presents should be wrapped in Christmas paper. Buck, outvoted, jokes, “Am I supposed to make distinctions between Christmas wrapping paper and birthday wrapping paper?” [22:59])

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Segment Timestamps

• Garcia/Immigration System Failures: 02:35–07:00
• Illegal Immigration Numbers & Impact (with Stephen Miller clip): 07:00–13:00
• Political Manipulation of Data: 13:00–16:30
• Trump’s “Merit” Immigration Argument: 16:30–21:45
• Assimilation & Sweden Model: 21:45–32:00
• CNN/Assimilation Debate: 32:00–37:30
• Welfare, Drawing the Line, and Policy Reform: 37:30–41:48
• Listener Wrapping Paper Segment (Comic Interlude): 21:49–23:00, 41:48–44:30

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Tone & Style

• Buck Sexton brings both urgency and skepticism, combining policy analysis with cultural commentary, and mockery of traditional media.
• Language is direct and occasionally caustic, especially toward political opponents and the “media narrative.”
• Recurring humor surfaces in the mid-show lighter audience engagement.

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Summary for New Listeners

This hour is an impassioned deep dive into American immigration woes, with Buck Sexton challenging prevailing “open borders” orthodoxy and mainstream media narratives. He frames current legal battles (the Garcia case) as symptomatic of a system beset by bipartisan failure, critiques both the left’s and right’s weaknesses, and makes the case for drastically restricting illegal (and sometimes legal) immigration based on cultural, economic, and national security grounds. Through historical analogies, guest commentary, and media critiques, Buck consistently argues for reclaiming national control—and identity—through stronger, policy-driven border enforcement.

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O U n D okay, second hour Clay and Buck. Let's look at immigration, shall we? Let's jump into the biggest immigration story today. A federal judge has ordered ordered President Trump, well, the Department of Justice to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia from ice. Immigration and Customs Enforcement from ICE custody. This is Judge Paula Zinnis. X I N I S I guess. Yeah. So he is supposed to be released immediately. T monitor this one for me. Let me know if in fact he does get released immediately. I have a, I have a feeling the administration is going to say, not sure that's how this is going to go. We'll see. But this has been quite a story and the Democrats are going to continue to push very hard on this. Let's just take a little, a little trip down memory lane, shall we? This guy, Abrego Garcia, he is the alleged MS.13 gang member who had an order of deportation against him at some point, wasn't deported, fighting his deportation, all this stuff. And on March 15th of this year, he was sent from the US to El Salvador where he was detained in the Seacot, the Center for Terrorism Confinement. And the Supreme Court weighed in on this one, and I believe it was nine. Oh, and they said, look, you guys, you can't just remove this guy to El Salvador. And this removal to El Salvador was illegal. So the US Then brought him back in. The Trump administration brought him back in. They, there's now all this legal wrangling about is he a member of Ms. 13, is he not? Abrego Garcia says he is not a member of Ms. 13. Now that matters because that gang has been designated a foreign terrorist organization. So from a legal perspective, the Trump administration seeks to treat, or now does treat at some, in some ways, Ms. 13, like Al Qaeda. And this guy is now supposed to be released. There was one point at which, at which the Trump administration was trying to remove him to Liberia, Uganda, Ghana or Eswatini. I gotta tell you, we're getting really deep into geography knowledge here with that one. That's one of these really tiny countries in Africa. There's some very, very small countries in Africa that are not well known. And yeah, he was not removed to those countries, but that was what was happening. Here's what's at issue with all of this. There has been. There's going to be the continued legal fighting over this and is there a detainee order. Our whole immigration system has been turned into a massive scam and a third world invasion of this country as a result of the misleading of the American people, the taking advantage of the American people and has been largely bipartisan. Democrats have been complete liars and frauds. On this top to bottom, a hundred, 100% of Democrats are terrible on immigration and half of Republicans, I would say in the 21st century, roughly half of Republicans are, are pretty terrible on immigration. I think that would be fair. May. You know, in recent years, the numbers changed a lot because of Trump. But if you were to take this all the way back to, say, the year 2000, you take this back to the, the Bush era, Republicans have been bad, too. So this has been a huge, huge issue. And a little bit like where we are with the debt. And I'm not somebody who traffics in despair on this program. Quite the opposite, right? We talk about the problems. We also talk about the solutions. We look at what's gone wrong. We never forget what's going right. But the immigration situation is a bit like our. For our soon to be $40 trillion of debt. It is massive. It is affecting everything. And I don't know if we're going to be able to fix it. This is just the truth. We're going to try. I certainly am advocating for it. But you hear people like Stephen Miller, who knows this issue and is of sound mind on this issue at the absolute peak. I mean, he's like at the top of his game on immigration. This is cut 16. He's pointing out that this issue of immigration and more specifically legal immigration, it is messing up everything in this country. You cannot bring tens of millions. We don't know the number. I would guess, see, whatever I say, you're going to say, buck, how could you? It's more or it's less. Most of you would say, I think there are 20 to 30 million illegals in the country right now. 20 to 30 million. And I don't think that's even. I think that's like definitely 20, 25, and maybe it's 30, 35. It's a lot. It's a lot. Tens of millions, for sure. The number they were telling us, it's 11 million. Please. They let 10 million in under Biden and they're planning to never leave. So we know, we know we're in the 20s. I think we're in the 30s. Some of you are going to say, buck, we're in the 40s, maybe, but it's definitely 20s, 30s, millions that we're talking about here. And this is Stephen Miller on what a big issue it is. Place 16. We mask the impact of immigration. Every public policy issue we discuss, we talk about test scores. If you subtract immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden our test scores skyrocket. If you subtract immigration out of health care, all of a sudden we don't have nearly the size of the health care challenges our country faces. If you subtract immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden, we don't have violent crime in so many of our cities. Issue after issue, we talk about these things as if they just happen to us. The schools just suddenly fail. Violent crime just suddenly explodes. The deficit just suddenly skyrockets. These are a result of social policy choices that we made through immigration. It's all true. It's all true. Now, the way that this issue has been, and this is why the Abrego Garcia thing, isn't it fascinating? Democrats, aclu, these types. Oh, my gosh, Anything to keep Abrego Garcia in this country. This guy's an illegal. He's been accused of crimes. He's illegal. He should go. Whatever it is they wanted, whatever it is they have to do, they will do. The left, the Democrats will do to keep illegals in this country. They want to keep them all. If they could keep them all, they would keep them all. Occasionally. And they'll say, what about Obama and all this? Yeah. In order to fool just enough people to stay in power, Democrats will occasionally go through a period of, oh, you know, you're right, this is a problem. Oh, maybe we should. And what Obama did was change the definition of a deportation such that people who were caught and turned away immediately at the border, they counted as a deportation. So they were. They were juicing the numbers there, but they were also doing that so they could create the political momentum with the Gang of Eight bill, with the, with the gang, the Senate Gang of Eight. They were trying to create the political momentum for a mass amnesty, which is. And by the way, that's game over. Do you know that the Reagan amnesty, the worst thing that Reagan did when he was president was the amnesty they did under Eisenhower, the deportation operation they ran, I think it was over a million. It was like 1.2, 1.3 million in one year, deported. And that was in 1950, something. So we've been here before, and the country at some points has said, you know what? This is crazy. You gotta go. You gotta go. Also note, people act like it's so, oh, you've been in America for a year or three years or whatever it may be, the notion of going back to the country you lived in your whole life until you snuck into this country. It's so horrible. It's so unthinkable. What does that mean? Well, actually, it's interesting. Trump is just saying stuff out loud that you're. You're not supposed to say. You're not allowed to say, but we say it now. There are countries that people want to live in and countries that are crappy. This is true. There are cultures that produce countries where people live in security, prosperity, able to achieve some degree of, of, you know, of relative happiness. And, and there are countries where that's just not, not going on at all, where people live a far more Hobbesian, you know, life is brutish, nasty and short Hobbesian existence. And Somalia is at very, very high on that list of, of what Hobbes would say. That's a rough place. Here is Trump saying, you know, we should be bringing in more people from countries that produce extremely law abiding, extremely high productivity, aligned with our values, immigrants. That's what we should be doing. This is cut 15. This is what Trump says. We had a meeting and I say, why is it we only take people from whole countries, right? Why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden? Just a few. Let us have a few from, from Denmark. Do you mind sending us a few people? Send us some nice people. Do you mind? But we always take people from Somalia. Places that are a disaster, right? Filthy, dirty, disgusting, ridden with crime. The only thing they're good at is going after ships. You can tell Trump, not a fan of Somalia. He's definitely seen Black Hawk Down a few times. Not a fan of Somalia. And a lot of Somalis aren't either. You know, we talk about the Somali population here in Minneapolis. There's a tremendous amount of displacement of Somalis into Kenya, which is right next door, which is still a country with a lot of. Tremendous amount of crime, unfortunately, a lot of problems, but functional country. Notice though that it's. You're not supposed to say we want people from happy, good countries. And you say, well, hold on, I thought our immigration system. We were, we have been told all this time that we're taking the next founder of Google and we're. This is, you know, immigration doing the jobs Americans won't do. And we're a nation of immigrants. You have hear all this propaganda, all this stuff all the time. It's supposed, the system is supposed to benefit the people. Here is the system is our immigration system in the 21st century benefiting those who are already here on a aggregate, you know, net. Net on an aggregate basis. Or have we turned into a immigration from third world countries welfare ward that we constantly are lied to? And because most of the very poor countries in the world, this starts to get into other conversations about immigration and about the nation state. Most of the Very poor countries in the world are non white countries. And so when you start to look at countries that you don't necessarily want to take a lot of immigrants from because they're going to have again, this is just objective stuff. It's not about not liking the way someone looks. It's not about judging someone because of their skin color. It's. We're making policies to benefit Americans. If you're taking people from countries with high levels of crime and, or terrorism, low level of education, do not speak English and have no, you know, cultural tie or affinity to America other than we're really rich here and they get to be safe and get free stuff. And then of course, as soon as possible, start voting in the directions that will undermine all of that, right? Start voting for socialism, start voting for Islamism, start voting for whatever. We are told that that's not what's happening, but that has been happening and people are allowed to notice that and be upset about it. And the American people are allowed to say this bait and switch cannot happen anymore. Where you say it is to our benefit, but really it is part of some global DEI crusade of we need to have the most non white immigration possible. And look, there are a lot, there are plenty of countries that are non white countries that are wonderful places. People are doing great. You know, I know everyone always is attacking Japan, for example, for its lack of, you know, replacement. They gotta have more kids. That's true. But it's an amazing. Taiwan, which I just came back from, is an amazing country, phenomenal in so many ways. Wonderful people, incredibly smart, incredibly civilized. And you know, there are many, many others. There are a lot of great countries all around the world. Our immigration system is absolutely not set up to prioritize those people. We say the reality of immigration is kind of the way if you had like a, you know, a Gavin Newsom voting California, you know, wine swilling lib, you know, with the chardonnay glass and oh, let's, let's take as many people from war torn fill in the blank as possible because that'll make me feel, I'm going to live in Beverly Hills, but it'll make me feel good about myself to say that we're going to take as many people from. What do they call it in Team America? Dirk Durka, Durkistan, Right. To take as many people from whatever country is some jihadist hellhole of the moment or whatever going through some famine or civil war supposed to have a very small percentage of asylum seekers. Look what happened. These millions and millions of people came in. They're all say they're here for asylum. They're not here for asylum. They're here for the spoil system. Can we get enough of them to actually go back to their home countries that America can be saved? This is the question. This is where we are and certainly where the Trump administration is on this. But I'm Is it too late? We'll see. What do you think happens if a Democrat wins the next election? They're going to open the floodgates again. Of course. Of course they are. If Trump can't get this done with the House and the Senate, who's going to. Who's going to reverse the flood? We need to talk about this. We have to be honest about this. All right. This holiday season, think food. 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A talk back here. Many of you with birthdays on Christmas apparently. Talk back. Laura, who listens on WLAC in Nashville ff. Let's hear what she has to say. Buck My birthday is also on Christmas and I just wanted to weigh in on the birthday paper versus Christmas paper. On birthday presents, you kind of feel like you're an afterthought. If your birthday presents are wrapped in Christmas paper. It's kind of important to at least separate them out so you know the difference. Really? Producer Ali Can I get a can I take this to the judges table here or producer Mike Am I supposed to make distinctions between Christmas wrapping paper and birthday wrapping paper?

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Absolutely. I'm with the ladies on this one.

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What it's like little designs. I mean, aren't they just, you know, little like elephants with balloons or something for them both?

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And with the money the big wireless guys throw around on advertising, you're bombarded with offers everywhere you look. So from everyone in the PureTalk family, thank you for your trust and God bless America. All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We are talking immigration and how this is such a critical issue. So go with immigration, so go with the nation. I think Ken Trump and his team fix it. You had DHS Secretary Noem on the Hill today getting a whole lot of back and forth with Democrats who are trying to get their sound bites and she is trying to make the case, make the case that, well, for one, Democrats are very dishonest on this issue. Of course that's true. And that the Trump administration is acting within the law and that there's going to be a lot more of what we have already seen. I certainly hope that's the case. In the meantime, over on that CNN show, I think it's CNN tonight, right? Is that the one or they change them all the time? It doesn't really. It's this, it's that the one with Abby, Phillip, whatever they call it, she was talking about this. She was talking about the immigration issues that you and I are discussing here. And I just want to point out whenever you start to hear a liberal talk about this country and they're the worst on guns, this is just kind of funny for those of you, which is pretty much not all of you, but a vast, vast majority of you who are gun people. Democrats will speak about guns and it's like their first day of learning Mandarin Chinese. Like, they just know nothing and they don't care. They know nothing. They'll talk about chainsaw bayonets and machine gun flamethrower, you know, laser pods. They just have no idea. They just know they want to ban them, they want to take them from you and everything else. When they talk about the history of immigration, they also have no idea, they don't know what they're talking about. And they leave out very key things, things that we need to know today and we need to have people familiar with in order to have reasonable immigration policy going forward. And I think we've reached a point in America where the foreign born population is too high, meaning that we need to slow things down. It's not a knock on anybody who's an immigrant legally. It's not a knock on anybody's background who's an immigrant, or anyone's religion or skin color who's an immigrant. It's just, okay. The history of America and its immigration policies has been we take in a bunch of people and then we say, okay, we need to let everyone do the America thing for a while here. And then, all right, we take in a bunch of people and then we say, hold on a second, it's time to let everybody get to know each other. Americanize the new arrivals. And this is now something you can talk about. You couldn't even say this stuff really 10, 15 years ago without, oh my gosh, how could you? Look what's happening in Europe. You have large constituencies, including of, of asylum seekers or refugees in European countries who make it very explicit they hate the country that I mean, when I say hate it. They love the welfare, they love that they're now safe and fed and warm and housed and all of that courtesy of the host country. But they despise the beliefs and the people and the culture and everything else. You have this in the uk, you have this in Sweden, you have this in the Netherlands, you have this in Belgium, you have this in France, you have this in Spain, you know, you have Germany, you have this in these countries now. Large populations of new arrivals who are not saying, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna be there for you. We're gonna do the best stuff we can. And we're so grateful. We're so grateful. Do you get the sense that, that the illegals that have come into America who go to these protests, for example, and create all these, all this, this spectacle in Places like Los Angeles, remember we saw that Trump called in the National Guard. Do they ever speak of the gratitude they have for this country? No, they think, they just, they think that it's owed to them. I came here and I'm just as American as you. But you're not, you're not lawfully in this country. You violated the compact. The law of the United States is something that binds all Americans and you, the illegal, have violated that. You are not as American as everybody else. Sorry. But you go on place like CNN and they will say things that are just counterfactual about the history of immigration and how these processes have all worked. And I've even gotten to the point now where I like to say to people, you know, pick a country, pick a country like Sweden. It's a good example for a bunch of reasons. I think Sweden has 10 million people, you know, 10 million people. And they've let in something like a million migrants in the last decade or two from the Middle east, from Muslim countries. And they've got some problems, some challenges by the data on particularly violent crimes, of sexual, sexual crimes show that the new arrivals, unfortunately in these countries from the Muslim world are wildly disproportionately represented in the ranks of the offenders. Just a fact. So much so that countries like Sweden try to hide it as a matter of state policy. We have that too, I might add. In this country, you have a lot of, in the stats about who's committing crimes. You'll have illegals who look like they're an MS.13, but they'll be counted in prison data as white. So wait, so now we're dealing with the white Hispanic thing again, Remember that with, with George Zimmerman, which they only could pull off, they thought the media on the Trayvon Martin situation because his last name was Zimmerman. If his name was, you know, was George Dominguez, might have been a little harder to say he's a white guy. But that's, that's what they tried for a while, the white Hispanic. I'd never, I had truly never, I'm trying to think in the media have I, had I ever heard that term? I don't think I'd ever heard that term in a media report, at least before the George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin trial, which Obama weighed in on, if you recall, and said if he had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon. Because Obama was really interested in harmony and racial healing in this country. Sure. How did that all go for us? Regardless, I am now on a mission to try to do all I can. To educate people who were willing to listen about what really happened at various times in this country's history when it comes to immigration. Oh, sorry, Sweden. I have to finish my Sweden. My Sweden model. I'm weaving. I'm weaving, as Trump says, right? He says, I'm weaving. I'm weaving a story. Weaving a tale. Okay, Sweden has 10 million people. Would it still be Sweden if they brought in 5 million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis? Just take that one. Would it still be Sweden? Technically, yes. Maybe you would call it that. Is it the same country? Is it the same country? Oh, so people will admit when you go through this, that at some point, if you change the people in a country enough, it is a different country. That's obvious. And if that. And if the 5 million of the 10 million coming from very different cultures, very different backgrounds, doesn't, okay, what if we brought in 10 million? What if we brought in 10? What. What if all of a sudden you'll also notice that it is only countries, according to the left and according to Democrats, that are predominantly or overwhelmingly white Caucasian, that are supposed to just say, this is a process, that this is as natural as it can be. We want as many people from the third world as possible. The Japanese aren't doing that. Quite, quite the opposite, in fact. They. Japan is for Japanese. China's not doing that. Second biggest country in the world. India is not doing that. The biggest country in the world. They're not saying, give me everyone from everywhere else. But why is it that America, Canada and Western European countries are supposed to do that without protest, no matter the consequences? Well, we start to see what the awakening in this country has been all about. And I would also, again, just work through this piece by piece. If all countries are the same in terms of where we should be privileging those who come here illegally, why even have a system that pretends to be sorting and making decisions? It's all the same. Of course it's not all the same. Canada had a point system, an explicit point system for how much money you have, your education. And they still have all kinds of problems up there now with assimilation and with unity of the Canadian people and still have a lot of problems. But they were just like, we're going to take the people that are going to do the best for us. And that was, I think, well, I'll let the Canadians speak on that one. But it's been a big change in perception about that. So why even have a system that allows some in but not others? If all if it's all the same, clearly some countries are going to send and this is not, this is again about policy. Are there amazing. Are there incredible. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is Somali. She's brilliant, she's brave, she's incredible. Incredible woman. Read her book Infidel, whatever it was 20 something years ago. She is gutsy. She's an amazing woman. She's Somali. It's not about holding anything against any individual. When we talk about immigration, it's about we got to make, we got to draw the line somewhere. We have to have some what's generally true policies. And it is generally true that taking people from, I've talked about Taiwan a fair bit because I was just there from Taiwan is going to result in more people who are highly productive, highly law abiding than taking people who have, have come here from pick, pick a country out from Yemen. Yemen's been in rough shape for a long time now. Very poor country, war torn country ideologically, a lot of jihadism. Okay. So and then this goes back even to what the so called Muslim bent. We have to start to look at this. Okay, I wanted to do CNN. Here's CNN's Abby. Phillip taking shots at Stephen Miller over his role in Trump Administration Immigration Policy Play 17. Why are you assuming that assimilation is not happening? Yeah, because you know when, when Stephen Miller's ancestors came here in the early 1900s, they didn't speak a lick of English. Okay. They were working factory jobs. There is a generational shift that happens where sometimes the first generation, they don't speak English but, but they have children and those people are Americans and they become people who are no different from you or you or you or you. Assimilation actually is happening and does happen. So that's not the policy that we have been told is in effect which is just take anybody. Eventually they'll learn English and their kids will be born here and they'll be as American as everybody else. And then also note in the, in the context of a place like Europe we've seen, it's not always true, not always true. They even learn the language. And I'm going to tell you this, I'm here in South Florida there. I did not really come across this very much in New York city in my 30 something years living in New York. It is more common here. There are people here who speak no English, who live here, who are here forever. They speak no English, they're immigrants to this country. They do not speak any English. That's a problem. Everybody who's here should Be able to speak English. English Trump signed. You know, English is the national language. Executive order. I would like to see actually more action on this with Congress. You have to have shared law, shared language, shared culture, shared history. Because a nation at some level is a people who come together around ideas and those shared things that I just laid out. But it is a people, meaning that it's a place in time and a people in that place. And you can't just say, all of you go over here to some other place and we're going to replace all of you at once. And it's the same country. That's just not true. And so we've had to look at this at a very baseline level. What is going on in America today? How rapidly are the American people not as American in the sense that you've got tens of millions of illegals who are here and you've got people who are arriving here. And in the case of what we see in Minneapolis, immediately becoming dependent on the state. Immediately they want their benefits and that's on all of us to pay those bills. The Americans who are already here, we're allowed to say, I don't want to be. I don't want the boot of the state on my neck making sure that I give 40% of my income to the federal government so that I can pay for foreigners who have arrived here like, and you could say, oh, it's only a small part of the budget. Okay, well then get rid of it then. Then it shouldn't be happening at all. Finally, we can talk about this. The President's talking about this a lot, but we have a lot more work to do on this issue, that is for sure. Okay. 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