Hour 2 - FBI Director Kash Patel Calls In

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Hour 2 – FBI Director Kash Patel Calls In
Date: November 26, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this Thanksgiving Eve episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton speak with FBI Director Kash Patel about his turbulent first year at the Bureau, media scrutiny, sweeping reforms under his leadership, crime-fighting initiatives, high-profile investigations, and a renewed transparency push. The trio delve into topics like the fight against violent crime, the status of the Epstein files, the Charlie Kirk assassination investigation, lingering questions around Jeffrey Epstein’s estate, and ongoing cases involving prominent sports figures. Listeners get a direct window into the FBI’s recent achievements and ongoing controversies, all discussed with the show’s trademark blend of humor and candid commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Scrutiny and Patel’s First Year as FBI Director

(03:14 – 05:35)

• Clay and Buck congratulate Kash Patel on a productive first year despite heavy media attention, including profiles focusing on both his workload and personal life.
• Patel reflects on the scrutiny, tying it to political motives:

  “They politicized the FBI and law enforcement like never before during Russiagate and Arctic Frost. … Their baseless attacks against my girlfriend... tells us we’re strong enough to get through it, and we’re over the target.” — Kash Patel (04:28)

• He hints at upcoming developments:

  “Wait till you see what we got coming up in another week or two.” (04:28)

2. Law Enforcement Achievements & Fight Against Violent Crime

(05:35 – 08:42)

• Patel shares aggressive steps the FBI has taken:
  • Redeployed 1,000 agents from DC into the field.
  • 30,000 arrests, 25,000 of whom are violent offenders – double from last year.
  • Murder rate down dramatically: Memphis homicides -55% in three months.
  • Massive fentanyl seizures: “127 million lethal doses... a 31% increase.”
  • Transparency: 40,000 documents turned over to Congress in 9 months (compared to 13,000 under Wray in 7 years).

  “This FBI is on fire.” — Kash Patel (04:28)

3. The Charlie Kirk Assassination Investigation

(08:42 – 10:40)

• Clay recalls live coverage of the Kirk assassination and asks about the ongoing investigation.
• Patel details the rapid apprehension of the perpetrator (33 hours after the act), stressing transparency and advocating for televising the trial:

  “Our biggest failure after this tragedy would be to allow this individual to walk freely because of a miscue of evidentiary collection or disclosure of improper information. I’m not going to let that happen.” — Kash Patel (09:23)

4. Epstein Files & Transparency Act

(10:40 – 14:13)

• Buck asks Patel to address frustration among Trump supporters about lack of transparency in Epstein files.
• Patel highlights legal blocks put in place 15 years ago under Acosta, but asserts the current FBI is committed to reviewing all leads and increasing prosecutions:

  “We have arrested 300% more pedophiles during the nine months that I’ve been the FBI director… As I said, 40,000 pages to Congress in just nine months alone. We’re not hiding anything.” — Kash Patel (11:39)

• Emphasizes court orders and victims’ rights as barriers to total disclosure.
• Surprising revelation: Epstein’s estate holds further info but cannot legally be compelled to release it without criminal predicate.

  “Do you know how many people have come forward to this FBI with quote, unquote, new information? Zero. Not one person.” — Kash Patel (13:23)

5. Internal FBI Reform & Politicization

(14:13 – 15:18)

• Patel asserts the FBI is “cleaning house” of political actors and leakers.

  “This institution of law enforcement will be just that. There will be no weaponization and no politicization.” — Kash Patel (14:33) “We have ended that era and anyone who participated in it will be exposed and held accountable.” (14:33)

6. The Trump Assassination Investigation & Trans Violence Claims

(15:18 – 16:58)

• Clay asks about allegations of “trans violence” and possible connections in the Trump assassination attempt.
• Patel insists all social media, device, and lead evidence have thus far found no credible wider conspiracy.

  “We follow the evidence and that’s it. … We seized every device, got into all of his social media, all of his email accounts, and we’ve publicized that information.” — Kash Patel (16:03)

7. Upcoming FBI Actions and Transparency Commitments

(16:58 – 18:35)

• Patel teases:

  “More accountability on high profile cases. That’s coming for sure. ... For the first time ever at the FBI, we are simultaneously disclosing to Congress while simultaneously investigating. That’s never been done before.” (17:19)

• Promises imminent indictments in “high profile” cases and further reduction in crime metrics.

8. Ongoing Sports Figure Investigation

(18:35 – 18:52)

• Clay queries whether the investigation (notably involving NBA's Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones) is done or if more arrests are coming.
• Patel:

  “That investigation is ongoing.” (18:52)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Media Attacks:

  “The fact that the mainstream media decided to come after me through her is disgusting and despicable.” — Kash Patel (04:28)

• On Law Enforcement Reforms:

  “At the FBI, I'm focused on letting good cops be cops. Me and the Deputy Director are here to push the agents out into the field where the work is.” — Kash Patel (07:00)

• On Epstein Investigations:

  “President Trump was the one who had the audacity … to reopen the Epstein case.” — Kash Patel (11:39) "If it's your estate, someone else's estate, unless there is a criminal violation occurring there, there is no lawful mechanism to force an estate to surrender information.” — Kash Patel (13:23)

• On Internal Cleanup:

  “No more Russiagate, no more Arctic Frost, no more illegal spying on political opponents...” — Kash Patel (14:33)

• On Transparency & Conspiracy Theories:

  “There are way too many conspiracy theories out there if you don’t allow everything to be seen publicly.” — Clay Travis (27:03)

• On Epstein’s Wealth:

  “There’s no way he ends up worth $600 million giving tax advice.” — Clay Travis (30:48)

• On Money Laundering/Secrecy:

  “$600 million is tough to move around.” — Clay Travis (33:40)

Listener Engagement & Tone

• Frequent humor and relatable banter—e.g., height jokes, roller coaster anecdotes, and the absurdity of “Secretary of War.”
• Candid talk about the limits of transparency in justice system.
• Urges listeners to stay engaged (“You guys can react…” at 27:26), reinforcing the interactive quality of the show.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:14 — Show welcomes Kash Patel, discusses media scrutiny and FBI leadership challenges.
• 04:28 — Patel outlines achievements and responds to legacy media attacks.
• 05:35 — Discussion of FBI crime-fighting efforts and transparency.
• 08:42 — Charlie Kirk assassination case update and transparency in trial proceedings.
• 10:40 — Epstein files: frustration, transparency, and legal barriers.
• 14:13 — Internal FBI reforms, dealing with leakers and politicization.
• 15:18 — Trump assassination investigation and “trans violence” claims.
• 16:58 — Upcoming actions, “accountability” promise, and more indictments teased.
• 18:35 — Sports figures under investigation—status is ongoing.
• 27:03 — Debate over televising high-profile trials and tackling conspiracy theories.
• 30:07 — Analysis of Jeffrey Epstein’s mysterious wealth.
• 36:07 — Tangent on international money laundering and banking secrecy.

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Conclusion

This fast-paced episode showcases the new direction of the FBI under Kash Patel and the Trump administration—emphasizing aggressive law enforcement, “maximum transparency,” and rooting out politicization and corruption. Listeners get exclusive insight into ongoing high-profile investigations (Charlie Kirk, Epstein files, sports crime), behind-the-scenes details on FBI reforms, and a direct response to conspiracy theories—grounded in both humor and hard stats.

Not to miss:

• Patel’s promise of imminent action on public corruption and high-profile cases
• The hosts’ deep dive into the Epstein estate’s mysteries
• Candid explanations about legal limits on transparency and law enforcement accountability

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For further breaking news and in-depth follow-ups, stay tuned for upcoming episodes and live listener call-ins.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in our number two Thanksgiving Eve edition. Clay Travis Buck Sexton show we are thankful for all of you and we you are being safe as you travel across the country to be with your friends and family and loved ones on Thanksgiving. We are joined now by a guy that both Buck and I are thankful is the FBI director. He is Cash Patel. Happy Thanksgiving, Cash. And congrats on what I think most of us would say has been a really good first year. But I want to start with this. I you know you're doing a lot, right when the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times both had huge expose on you that basically said, yeah, this guy's working a lot, he's traveling a lot and he has a girlfriend. Um, I don't know that I've ever seen as much attention paid to a girlfriend before, but congrats. And what's it been like to have Buck and I were talking about this on the show and off air, but it feels like you kind of cycle around where somebody is the target and right now the mainstream legacy media has decided you're the target. So how's it going?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Well, first of all, it's so great to be with you guys. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. I'm stuck in DC on duty, but that's okay. That's what the job requires and that's what we give it. You're right. We've had a historic year. We've taken down twice as many violent offenders as last year alone, seized more fentanyl than ever before, struck a deal with China to shut off fentanyl precursors. Arrested more than 490% increase in 7, 6, 4 extremists. Those attempting to and violating our children's rights. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This FBI is on fire. And that's why the mainstream media is coming after you. They know they politicized the FBI and law enforcement like never before during Russia gate and Arctic frost. And they know we're sitting in the seat to expose it. And that's exactly what they're going to do. And their baseless attacks, Baseless attacks against my girlfriend and me. And Alexis, by the way, is a brilliant country music star and conservative commentator in her own right. But the fact that the mainstream media decided to come after me through her is disgusting and despicable. But it also tells us we're strong enough to get through it, and we're over the target. And Clay and Buck, we're not stopping. Wait till you see what we got coming up in another week or two.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, Director Patel, we have, we have a lot of faith. And you and Deputy Director Bongino and have kept that faith all along, as the audience knows, because we know you guys and we know what you approach this job with and why you took this job as well. I will note to what Clay said. It is very clear to us that, like the Eye of Sauron has moved from, from Secretary of War Hegseth, you know, the New York Times going all out on him to now the Eye of Soren is on you. But we know that you'll be, you'll be fine with this. In fact, here, real quick, President Trump, there was a story circulating a day, or what, the last 24 hours, they're all saying that, you know, that, that Trump is thinking about your, your replacement. And he spoke to this and basically said, fat chance. Fake news.

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[Buck Sexton]

No, he's doing a good job. Cash Patel? No, he's doing a great job. I think. Listen to the president handles that. Just like, what are you even talking about? But clearly they're trying to create dissension in the ranks, so to speak. Cash and I want you to speak to something that we want to give more attention to because it's so important, the federal efforts to bring down violent crime in cities and some of the places like Memphis, places like St. Louis, Washington, D.C. can you speak to that, please, and give us some of the numbers and the stats? Because the mainstream legacy media clearly doesn't want to admit they've been wrong on this one.

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Absolutely. That's the mission here. Protect the homeland and crush violent crime. And President Trump authorized us to do just that. And the FBI has been the beachhead in places like Memphis and St. Louis and Miami and so many other cities, communities across the country. Violent crime exploded under the Biden Area administration, and the prior FBI leadership allowed it to blossom and did nothing about it. What we did, we took 1,000 agents out of Washington, D.C. and moved them into the field permanently. Every single state got a plus up of intelligence analysts and FBI agents and they hit the streets. And what happens when you do that? You get 30,000 arrests, 25,000 of which are violent offenders. That's twice as many as last year alone. And we don't even have December done yet. And in terms of murder rate, we are chopping the murder rate in major cities by 30 and 40%. In Memphis alone, the homicide rate is down 55% in three months. That is an unbelievable number for the city that had the highest per capita homicide in the United States of America. At the FBI, I'm focused on letting good cops be cops. Me and Deputy Director are here to push the agents out into the field where the work is. And the fentanyl seizures received 127 million lethal doses of fentanyl. That's a 31% increase alone. And we're taking the fight to our enemies. And we're also engaging with partners like the CCP where we can to shut off fentanyl precursors and make sure they don't devastate our young communities around the country. And that's just a little bit of what we're doing. We're also the most transparent agency now. 40,000 documents turned over to Congress by this FBI in nine months. Ray did 13,000 in his entire seven years, and Comey did 3,000 in his entire three years. So if there are people saying we're not transparent and committed to oversight, just look at the evidence.

[Clay Travis]

When you, I know, were really good friends with Charlie Kirk and one of the biggest challenges of any of these jobs, and Buck and I were live on the air when the shooting happened, it was obviously devastating for us and for everybody out there listening. What can you tell us about that investigation, do you believe, based on what you've seen so far, and I know there's a trial coming up, so you may have to tiptoe around it a little bit, do you believe that that individual acted alone? And also, do you hope, because I do, that this trial is as public as possible so that people can see it and all of the evidence that your agents and other law enforcement have brought to bear there. What can you tell us about that investigation in that case?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Yeah. You guys know we're all super close with Charlie. And you know, when you're the director of the FBI and you're tasked with leading the nation's manhunt for your friend, you got to put that piece aside. And we were able to find the perpetrator in 33 hours. And that's because the FBI cut videos directly from the University Valley, Utah security systems, publicized them to the world and the nation. And then we were able to apprehend this individual. But that's just step one. Like you said, there's a trial. And the good thing about state court, as you guys know, is there can be cameras. Unlike federal court, there are no cameras allowed ever. So I'm hoping there's a camera in there and I want the world to see how we put on the display of evidence. And it's a state prosecution, so the FBI is a partner, but we're not the lead. But this, I think everybody at Turning Point and Erica and everybody in Charlie's universe knows this. FBI is committed to investigating absolutely every single lead. And that's what we're doing. On top of that, we're protecting the integrity investigation by not disclosing information prematurely. The prosecution must come first. Our biggest failure after this tragedy would be to allow this individual to walk freely because of a miscue of evidentiary collection or disclosure of improper information. I'm not going to let that happen.

[Buck Sexton]

We're speaking to FBI Director Kash Patel and Director Patel, the audience here has been for a long time very, very consistent on they want more transparency when it comes to Epstein files. Doj, we know we just had this vote. President Trump came out in favor of the Epstein Transparency Act. Huge votes in, or rather almost unanimous votes in the Senate and the House in order to release more files. Just, can you, can you speak to this? Because there has been among the Trump faithful a lot of frustration with some of the stop start on this and what feels to some like, you know, hiding the football, like just, you know, what's out there, you know what's coming out. I wanted to give you the floor to address people who support President Trump, supported the pick of you and Deputy Director Bongino and specifically wanted to get to the heart of this issue. So what can you tell everybody about that?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Absolutely. Look, we have to remind the audience that President Trump was the one who had the audacity compunction, and rightfully so, to reopen the Epstein case. U.S. attorney Acosta over 15 years ago handled this case and basically bootstrapped any future investigation because he limited the search warrants and investigatory parameters and got judges to sign off on it and agreed to a non prosecution deal and agreed to a prohibition against the disclosure of information. Now, once President Trump reopened that, and we're now in the second Trump administration, we committed to reviewing every single piece of information in there for Any credible leads. And for anyone out there saying, oh, we're protecting pedophiles, we have arrested 300% more pedophiles during the nine months that I've been the FBI director than year to date last year alone, we have dismantled child pedophile rings and are crushing 764networks. So we're on it. But we cannot violate court orders and put out information that a federal judge has prohibited us. On top of that, there are victims rights where we will always protect victims rights. But we have been committed to work with Congress to put out as much as we can. The Department of Justice has gone back to court twice now to get permission for us to disclose more information. And the biggest distinction, by the way, is that there's the Epstein estate. They have had information for years that they have refused to turn over to law enforcement authorities. And by the way, this FBI has been asking everybody that represents a victim, anyone that knows anything about these alleged acts of sexual deviance and violence to please come forward.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, Director Patel, can you explain this? Because this is. How is it that the estate. I mean, you're the FBI. I think people hear this. What do you mean that they won't release? Like, don't they have to release.

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

No. Anyone's in state. If it's your estate, someone else's estate, unless there is a criminal violation occurring there, there is no lawful mechanism to force an estate to surrender information. And that's the key that the battle with. But what I was saying earlier is we've asked not only the estate and everybody else who's been saying we have information of new victims, of people in Congress holding microphone rallies and everything. Do you know how many people have come forward to this FBI with quote, unquote, new information? Zero. Not one person. Every time I ask, no one comes forward. This FBI will investigate any new leads. And we're also committed to transparency. As I said, 40,000 pages to Congress in just nine months alone. We're not hiding anything. We're committed to max transparency while protecting victims rights. And we are going to abide by whatever court orders there are, because those are the laws of the land.

[Buck Sexton]

We did ask for some of our VIPs, Director Patel, to send in their thoughts. And question one coming in from Louis here. How is it going with the subversives and those who are not dedicated to the mission in the FBI and leakers who are trying to play political games, basically, Director Patel, how's the cleanup of the FBI going?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Fantastic. This institution of law enforcement will be just that. There will be no weaponization and no politicization. And those people that have been jettisoned from the scrolls of the FBI have been done so because they failed to meet the mission standards or their ethical obligations. And so we are going across the country and replacing anyone and removing anyone who fails to meet our high standard here. As we've done that, we're going to continue to do that. I'm committed to that because that's what President Trump was elected for, to make sure we end the weaponization. No more Russiagate, no more Arctic Frost, no more illegal spying on political opponents, members of Congress and staffers, including like myself, submitting us to countless hours of grand jury and courtroom expenditures. We have ended that era and anyone who participated in it will be exposed and held accountable.

[Clay Travis]

What can you tell us about the Trump assassination investigation? The first one, because unfortunately I know there was two. There were reports out there, Tucker Carlson, New York Post saying, hey, this guy had substantial actions online that he was potentially trans influenced. I mean, a furry. I mean, this is crazy. I mean, I'm curious whether you think there is when you look at Minneapolis, when you look at Nashville, when you look at the allegations of Utah and maybe the allegations of this Trump shooter. Is trans violence being under investigated? But what can you tell us about the investigation of that first Trump shooter? Potential trans connections? Anybody else? Do you believe he acted alone? What does the evidence show?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

We follow the evidence and that's it. And we've briefed President Trump the entire way and he's been fully satisfied with our investigatory steps. We got into this FBI, the prior FBI, for whatever mistakes they made and for whatever information they didn't release. We've released everything we possibly can and we've told the public. We seized every device, got into every device of the assailant, got into all of his social media, all of his email accounts, and we've publicized that information. And if there was any investigatory lead that actually led to anyone else, we will 100% take it. But again, it goes back to credible information. If you post something on social media and someone comments on it, that's not a connection necessarily, that's not necessarily credible. It's like going on X and following a million comments from the Clay and Buck show. But we look at every single one of them. We will not, we will not leave any stone unturned. And that's what we did here. We redoubled our efforts and we will continue to take any new information that develops.

[Clay Travis]

You started with us saying next couple of weeks we Got some things coming again. Buck and I are excited you're there. We're excited Dan Bongino is there. We think you guys have done a fantastic job. What kind of prediction can you give us as we move into December? What should people be paying attention to in your mind? What would you like them to know?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

More accountability on high profile cases. That's coming for sure. We're going to disclose. This is the, this is the battle rhythm we said here. For the first time ever at the FBI, we are simultaneously disclosing to Congress while simultaneously investigating. That's never been done before. You've seen the stonewalling from prior administrations and we're not doing that. But we are not going to cripple an investigation before we get to the end point. So you're going to see that. You're also going to see things like historic reduction in murder rates across the country by double digits. We'll put those numbers out in December. That is a massive victory for the American people. Brought to you by the Trump administration and this FBI. And we're about to bring some arrest for high profile cases. And we'll just, again, we will let the indictments and the public prosecution speak to our efforts. Those that say we never, Ben and I never say sit here and trust us. Look at the body of work that this FBI has done. And when you look at the mainstream media attack, if we're so failing, if we're so bad, how is it that we have record, historic arrest, arrest and record amounts of safety for the American people? Record drug seizures, record narcotics arrests, record arrests, stopping terrorism attacks like we did in Michigan. And the mainstream media came after us for that as well. If we'd followed them, they would have allowed us to arrest the individuals after they killed Americans. This FBI is not failing.

[Clay Travis]

You had a recent press conference where you announced the arrest of Chauncey Billups of NBA prominent players, Damon Jones, also mlb. Do you think that investigation is complete or there are potential other individuals that could be charged related to those incidents?

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

That investigation is ongoing.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, FBI Director Patel, thank you so much for making the time for us. Thanks for all the work you're putting in over there. Give our best. The deputy director Bongino, you know, we're thinking about him, too. Happy Thanksgiving to you and to all the men and women of the FBI who are doing it the right way and getting the job done. Thank you.

[FBI Director Kash Patel]

Thank you, guys. Happy Thanksgiving. Appreciate your wonderful audience.

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[Buck Sexton]

Interview there with FBI Director Cash Patel. We'll have Miranda Devine coming up in the next hour. So another phenomenal guest talking about the news today, including the final shoe dropping or case getting dropped. Better way to put it, prosecution getting dropped against Donald Trump. Got a lot to discuss with her. We also want to get to a lot of your Thanksgiving thoughts and talk backs here. It is really the case that we, the whole team here in New York. I'm here with them. Clay's down in Florida at his Gulf of America getaway. We are very thankful for the show for all of you and it is a great privilege to get to talk to you guys for three hours a day Monday through Friday.

[Clay Travis]

Hopefully for all three hours.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Lot of reaction pouring in. Our thanks to FBI director Kash Patel for joining us on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. I think we hit him with everything that is out there under the sun right now. Um, you guys can react by the way. 800-282-2882. Whether it's Charlie Kirk assassination, I think that's a big take and I don't know that we've spent a lot of time talking about this. Buck. That 100% has to be televised. There are way too many conspiracy theories out there if you don't allow everything to be seen publicly. And I appreciate Cash Patel coming on and saying yes, we want it to be public. Sometimes you can't put trials on television. And I know that there are issues sometimes with trials being on television and lawyers mugging for the cameras and all those things. I understand it, trust me. But I think the benefit to being able to see it for yourself as opposed to someone else reporting to you what occurred is invaluable. And there are. And Buck, you have seen them, I've seen them. Every single person listening to us right now has seen crazy conspiracy theories taking off relating to the Charlie Kirk assassination. Erica Kirk, his widow, has said, I want the trial public. To me, she should get to decide. And again, in state courts, in certain courtrooms, they allow you to put the case on television. Certainly the most famous case on television of all time was OJ but it's a Utah case. In a Utah state court, they allow televising there. If the judge will allow it, I would say please do this. Please, please, please. I think it's the right call. Erica Kirk wants it, the FBI director wants it. Shine the light on everything and let this story and the prosecution fully be covered. I bet you're signing on as well. We haven't even asked about this. But you agree?

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, of course. You want, you want absolutely maximum transparency. That was interesting to me. That. And that's why I asked Director Patel about it. I mean, I've known him as Cash for years, but he is the director. So I'm trying to, you know, I'm still trying to get used to Pete as Secretary of War. Secretary of Defense, sure, but Secretary of War? I gotta do a twofer. One, not call him Pete, cuz he's running the Pentagon. And two, Secretary of War, not Defense. But yes, Cash Patel was with us just now, but I asked him about the estate. I understand. What he's saying is, well, unless there's a criminal predicate to take or unless there's like a criminal investigatory basis for those files. But wouldn't there easily be. I still am a little bit confused as to how the estate can hold. There must be some procedural thing. I mean, he addressed it, but I'm not a lawyer, so. Lawyer Clay, if you.

[Clay Travis]

I am, I am. And I don't understand. But to be. Trust me. I took wills in estates 20 some odd years ago. Thankfully I have not been involved in probate in any kind of professional way. Here's what I do know about that case, Buck, and I do think this is important. It my understanding is that Will went through probate in the US Virgin Islands. I'm actually a licensed attorney in the US Virgin Islands.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a. That's a real cocktail Party trivia thing.

[Clay Travis]

There are not very many of us. I'm licensed in the US Virgin Islands and in Tennessee. I took the bar exam back to back years. I practice law in the US Virgin Islands. I know that the probate for his. And this is the part of this, The Epstein case. I understand everybody focused on the victims. Victims have been paid hundreds of millions of dollars in civil payout from the estate. To me, the most interesting part of the Epstein case at this point in time, that is rarely discussed and we still don't know. And you and I have talked about it some on this program. How in the world was his estate? 700 million.

[Buck Sexton]

The money that's, you know, him. Him being a. A guy who was clever and around rich people and building an estate of seven or even $70 million. I would say, okay, I mean, I still think it was fishy, but 700 million? No way. Sorry. There's. There's no way you did this without doing things. Or rather when I say did this. The money came from somewhere. We need to know where the money came from. It did not come from. Completely separate from his sex. Sex crimes. Okay, I'm saying it did not come separate from that, from him being good at tax advice. It did not. That is not a. That is not a credible or a plausible explanation.

[Clay Travis]

His estate. I wanted to make sure I got it right. So I just looked it up was. I said 700 apologies, 600 million. Okay, okay. Yeah. But Buck, when I talk to rich guys and they, you know, the Epstein case comes up and they're like, hey, what do you think was going on? Rich guys? Every rich guy that is really rich. I'm talking about like super rich guys. They're like, there's no way that he ended up with $600 million without creating a company without building something. I mean, again, to your point, you could end up worth $20 million, $30 million. As a financial advisor for people, the guy never had some sort of, like, private equity fund. He was never a hedge fund guy. He was just a tax advice guy. There's no way that he ends up worth $600 million given tax advice.

[Buck Sexton]

My tax advice guy is great, but he drives a Volvo. You know, let's be, you know, shaded Volvos.

[Clay Travis]

But, you know, tax advice guy is driving a Lamborghini. You might want to be like, I mean, what kind of tax advice is he giving? Right. If he has an $80 million townhouse.

[Buck Sexton]

I was going to say maybe he has a Lamborghini. He's really good at it. But he has a private island and a private jet. I'd be like, I want to be the tax advice.

[Clay Travis]

And then 80 million to one of the most expensive homes in all of Manhattan.

[Buck Sexton]

It doesn't add up. Okay? It does not add up, full stop. And that's the part of this that I'm still. I think we may get more of that transparency from the. The release, but, you know, we'll see. We're going to stay on this. There will be more information to talk about. Just to be clear. There will be more documents and more things and more revelations from the Epstein is happening. So it's happening. We can't tell you what's in those files until they're released. And once they, you know, if we knew, we would tell you, but we don't. And once that happens, we'll dive back into that. But I will say that the people who were very frustrated initially with the guys trust us. There's nothing else that you need to see in there. They were right, and Trump has admitted that they were right. And now there'll be more released, and we'll see what's released. Now, will that be enough, Clay? And this even goes to the televising of the Charlie Kirk assassination trial. There will be people for whom there is no such thing as enough transparency. But we have to push it to the point where all reasonable people can see that. Right? There will be people who say no stuff is. And I don't want to be. If someone wants to say they don't have all the answers, but they believe that there is stuff that has been removed from the files, fine. It's people who claim to have the answers because of things that aren't in evidence. That's where I think it goes too far. Like, you have to have the proof to tell me that, you know, if you still have more questions, that's fine. But if you think you have the answer that nobody else does, and it's a big. It's a big conclusion you're coming to. There have to be facts and evidence here.

[Clay Travis]

This is why, to me, the money is the story. Because you can trace money if you really commit to it. Right. $600 million is tough to move around. It is tough to end up with legally. We know that he had that as an estate.

[Buck Sexton]

And so banking secrecy is not really a thing anymore the way it was.

[Clay Travis]

Because to turn over every $10,000 transaction, which is not that much, especially with inflation now, I mean, a lot of people, you know, $10,000 is. We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars. Like you should be able to trace and track where that came from in some way.

[Buck Sexton]

People can try to hide their money. And I'm trying to think of the, some of the islands, I mean, it's really Cayman Islands.

[Clay Travis]

Switzerland, obviously.

[Buck Sexton]

No, they don't swit. No, Switzerland.

[Clay Travis]

Now they started to catch people, but.

[Buck Sexton]

That'S, no, but they, they turn it over. Right, Switzerland. Switzerland. Used to be there was a guy, I forget, I forget the details of the story. Some of you will know, but there was someone on the banking side who basically released all the like files of all the Americans who were stashing money there. And ever since then with Switzerland, it's just been, yep, we're not, we're not doing that hiding your money thing anymore. People are, America's going to know.

[Clay Travis]

The Caymans, there's a little offshore, the.

[Buck Sexton]

Cook Islands, I think is what I'm talking about. Cayman Islands is, is, is like considerable place in terms of population. Everything else, compared to the number of.

[Clay Travis]

Businesses that are based in the, in the Cayman, I think there's a population of 100,000 and there are something like millions of businesses that are based in the Cayman Islands, the banks there. So yes, it is still a place where lots of money can, can be. You're right, by the way.

[Buck Sexton]

It's, it's. People still try in Switzerland. But I wouldn't, you know, if I, if I were a bad guy trying to hide money, I'd be very worried about that. But Luxembourg, Hong Kong, good luck with that. CCP can just be like, you know what, it's our money now. Yeah, I was speaking to, I was speaking to a Chinese. It was, it was at a social event, a Chinese businessman recently, Clay, they just held him in prison. He's Chinese. He was held in prison by the CCP as extortion. And it was like a local guy who was connected, who knew he could do it and he had to pay millions of dollars to get himself out of prison. And they were just like, yeah, we're gonna keep you here until you go crazy or give money we want.

[Clay Travis]

So hiding your money they've done to Jimmy Lai. I mean, it's a story that should get more attention. I would like to see Trump be able to get him out. If you haven't studied that from a free speech perspective.

[Buck Sexton]

I had dinner with Jimmy Lai's right hand man when I was in Taiwan and spoke about this with him at length. And he's very, you know, he, look, he, he knows that Trump wants to, and, but there needs to Be more attention on this. This guy's been in prison for seven years for running a newspaper. And it's a total sellout of the. The two systems, one country thing in Hong Kong. But Jimmy Li, the guy's in his 70s, he's not in good health. He's being held in a. In a CCP dungeon, essentially for running a newspaper that just wasn't under the control of the ccp and some of them got ticked off at him. Anyway, I bring it up because Hong Kong, good luck. You're right about the Caymans, by the way. So they still have pretty decent banking secrecy there, but there are very few place. Yeah, the Seychelles, you know, it starts to get.

[Clay Travis]

I think the British Virgin Islands still has a little bit of. But they're under the British flag. But yeah, the Caymans is the place that you would want to go if you're trying to hide things. I think now in your.

[Buck Sexton]

I was right about the Cook Islands, by the way. I don't even. They're in like the South Pacific. Right. I don't even know where the Cook Islands are. That. That's real. That's. That's like elite level geography knowledge. The Cook Islands, you gotta look that.

[Clay Travis]

One up, by the way. We'll come back to some of this. We'll take some of your calls. I think we hit everything. Appreciate Cash Patel coming on with us. Miranda Devine is gonna be on with this, top of the next hour. I did think he kind of teased that there's more coming before the end of the year.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Which will be interesting. And I thought when he said, for those of you out there who saw the big press conference and the arrest of Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones, the NBA, the Mafia case, that investigation is ongoing. Other people getting wrapped up in that could turn into a. A real mess. So we'll see. By the way, we haven't talked about this too. Maybe in the third hour we can get into it a little bit. But I want to get your take on what's going to happen with Venezuela and what should happen because it seems like that's getting closer and closer to a pressure point officially being reached in some way. And I've got to take on that. Here you go, Buck. This is going to win. I feel good about this one. I gave it out yesterday when you were gone. But I want to make sure that you're aware because your boy George Pickles, AKA George Pickens, has actually now emerged for the Dallas Cowboys as one of the best receivers in the entirety of the NFL. I'm taking more on his receiving yards tomorrow in that big game against the Chiefs. I'm taking Jameer Gibbs who is the running back for the Detroit Lions. Lions always play on Thanksgiving. I'm taking him to score more than 1/2 receiving or rushing touchdown. And Drake may more on his passing yards total if all three of those hit 5 to 1. Payout prizepix.com code clay you can download the app. You can play in California, Texas, Georgia, all over the country, 40 plus states. You're gonna love it. They got prediction markets rolled in now as well in prize picks. Prizepix.com Code Clay when you play $5 you get $50. This is the Thanksgiving weekend special. I'm going to be watching games all day Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It's the best weekend of the year probably for those of us who are big football fans and that is the vast majority of you listening right now. George Pickens more. Jameer Gibbs more and Drake May more. It all pays out at five to one go right now. Prize picks code clay that's pricepicks.com code C L A yeah, you won't believe.

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[Buck Sexton]

Had said we were going to do this right guys, so I'm now just putting you on the spot on the air with lots and lots of people listening. Can we take recommendations for Christmas music this year? We're going to do that, right? We can do that. So we're going to, we're going to make this a little bit of a, of a crowd sourcing. But you are our crowd and we love you. You can send in on your VIPs, your talkbacks if you have specific Christmas music suggestions you can send them to us and we'll. We'll put together a compilation and we'll start. We'll have some great Christmas stuff. I just think that's fun. Clay. I'm getting in the Christmas spirit, even though it's the day before Thanksgiving, because I think these holidays are really all one holiday season. And I'm moved by the holiday spirit.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that is very anti Grinch of you. I will also point out you now have. He's too young to really be into Santa Claus. Next year he'll be what, about a year and seven months. He'll have some cognition of it. And then when you get to about two and a half, when you have young kids that are really excited about Santa and the holiday season, it is awesome as a parent to get to go back and relive your young childhood Christmases. And I think there's a lot of people out there with young kids, young grandkids who know exactly what I'm talking about. Their eyes and the magic with which it is reflected and you are able to nostalgically remember it yourself, but also see it through their eyes is an incredible experience. And so you're about to get to get to have fun with it. You're in New York, which, yes, they have a communist, but they also have great decorations.

[Buck Sexton]

They don't have a communist yet, to be fair. He takes over January 1st. It's Eric. I'm in Eric Adams town still, so.

[Clay Travis]

But it is for people who have never been to New York City. The. The trees, the Christmas festivity of New York City is very, very well done. Very different compared to you in Miami, where it's 80 degrees and Santa's got shorts on.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not going to lie.

[Clay Travis]

We.

[Buck Sexton]

We got off the plane yesterday and it was absolutely like driving rain and 50 degrees. And I looked at my wife, I was like, I'm so glad we left. 80 degrees with a light breeze and perfectly sunny to be here. But it's okay because we're with our family and that's what matters. Not perfect weather, no state income tax, and the ability to buy all the guns I want. Um, all right. VIP email from Louis. Grateful for the work that you guys do every day, even if you don't like me because I'm a seat recliner. Louis, we still like you.

[Clay Travis]

I don't like him.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, I do.

[Clay Travis]

Louis, come right off the top. You, you, Louis. I mean, we might agree on a lot of other things, but if you're a seat recliner, I'm just going to be like, I'm not going to just pretend that this is not an issue. And I think we have. What did Lewis. Is he the one who says he's five five and he's.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no.

[Clay Travis]

That's funny.

[Buck Sexton]

That's Chris. VIP email from Chris. As a five foot five man, also known as a short king, I believe in today's parlance, as a five foot five man, I am in the seat in front of you on a plane. I am reclining. You rip on short men and tell us the reason I had women problems when I was younger. Was my height the only way I can get back at you tall guys. Ha ha. Love your show.

[Clay Travis]

I don't rip on short guys. I think you're being unfairly treated by short women like my wife and Buck's wife, who are five. What carries five three ish. Five two ish. Laura's five two. She said if I were five eight, my wife, she would have never dated me like that. Seems like.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm glad that she said yes when I asked her to marry me because I found out after the fact that I was her bare minimum height and as old as she would date. I snuck in. I was just. I was just tall enough to get on the roller coaster. You know what I mean? Just tall enough. Yeah. Rough stuff, man. You know?

[Clay Travis]

So we're gonna get into on the roller coaster. We were just down at Universal Studios. I had the boys there. It is an amazing experience for your kids when they're finally tall enough to be able to ride all the roller coasters. Do you remember that age when you were like, oh, I'm almost there, almost there. All my boys are now able to ride all the rides. And the crushing face when you're like, just a little bit too short. And the guy comes by with that little stick and he's like, sorry, kid, you can't get on the ride. That's a tough parent moment. You're gonna live through that too.

[Buck Sexton]

Reminds me of the Tom Hanks movie.

[Clay Travis]

Big great movie. Which was fun.

[Buck Sexton]

Kind of weird. Kind of weird. But that's a whole other conversation. Maybe not. For the night before Thanksgiving, we'll be back with Miranda Devine talking about holding crazy judges accountable next.

[Clay Travis]

Shh.

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