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Clay Travis
Welcome in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Lots of spice. My goodness. In the Oval Office, we have got true fireworks going on right now between zelinsky, Trump and J.D. vance. We played some of the cuts for you as we just finished the hour. We have added in more. This has just happened, so I want you guys to. To be able to understand. Here is now cut 29 more of. Again, this is in the Oval Office. J.D. vance, Donald Trump and Zelinsky talking about whether this mineral rights deal is actually going to happen.
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Donald Trump
Listen, going to be a very hard thing to do, business like this, I tell you.
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Clay Travis
Thank you.
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Donald Trump
I said a lot of times.
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Clay Travis
That there are disagreements and let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight.
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J.D. Vance
It out in the American media.
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Clay Travis
When you're wrong, we know that you're wrong.
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Donald Trump
But you see, I think it's good for the American people to see what's going on here. I think it's very important. That's why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful you don't have the cars. You're buried there. Your people are dying. You're running low on soldiers. Listen, you're running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good. Then you tell us, I don't want a ceasefire. I don't want a ceasefire. I want to go and I wanted this. Look, if you could get a ceasefire right, right now, I tell you, you take it so the bullets stop flying and you men stop getting killed.
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J.D. Vance
Of course we want to stop the war.
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Donald Trump
But you're saying you don't want to see. I want to cease guarantees because you'll get a ceasefire faster than any. Great.
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Clay Travis
Okay.
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J.D. Vance
Whoo.
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Clay Travis
Let's dive in. Buck out. Getting ready for the new baby for the remainder of today's show. He had to duck out. A lot of family. We'll take some of your calls, by the way. 800-282-2882. Here is how I would analyze what we just saw in the Oval Office. Trump is laying out for everyone there to see, not only in the United States and all of us, but everyone around the world. What is, I think, the single most important detail of the situation with Russia and Ukraine right now, and it is this. Ukraine cannot win. Once you know that, you cannot win. The only question is, how does this end? Many of you out there have been sold a bill of goods that Ukraine was gonna win this war, that it was gonna lead to Vladimir Putin getting removed from power, that Russia was going to crumble. None of that is true. Okay. Disabuse. Yourselves of that notion. Ukraine is going to lose. Russia has more men, they have more materials. They have the ability and the willingness, it appears, to deal with casualties for a far longer time than Ukraine and Zelensky do. Once, you know, the number one takeaway here, which is Ukraine can't win. Where Trump has moved is he's moved to, ok, let's end the war. Let's have a cease fire, let's just have a negotiated peace. At this point in time, all we're talking about is where is the boundary line going to be drawn between Ukraine and Russia? That is the number one question. The secondary question I would say, is how do we ensure that Russia doesn't decide to do this again? That's the secondary question. To me, the answer to the first question is the entire purpose of the negotiation. Where's the squiggly line going to be drawn to set the border between Ukraine and Russia? That's all that remains to be decided. Second one is, how do we create a lasting peace in Ukraine such that Russia doesn't decide to invade again? Really, the second part of those questions is the most important one to analyze here. My suggestion, based on everything that I have read, is it appears to be the plan that Europe would commit many different soldiers, many different countries would be sending peacekeepers to Ukraine. The United States would not be doing that. Instead, we would be signing this mineral rights deal, which creates 50%, basically, of the profits for the Ukrainian minerals, for the American taxpayer as a way to pay us back for the hundreds of billions of dollars that we have given to Ukraine. That's really what's at stake here. And what Trump is doing is one of the things that I would say Trump has proven is a successful mechanism for him and his political career. He's not behaving differently in public versus private. He's basically saying to Zelensky in public the same thing that he would say in private. Now, what I don't know, and I think it's hard to analyze from a negotiating perspective, is how does Zelensky handle this slapdown in public, in the Oval Office? Does he pout? Does he take it entirely on a personal level, or does he man up and recognize that? One of the reasons why I think this is necessary is Trump is playing both directions, and he said it directly, and a lot of people are going to overlook it. You can't get a negotiated peace, by and large, when you are telling one side you're evil and the other side you're good, because negotiated peace doesn't work. When you are allowing the framework to be, Ukraine is all good, Russia is all evil, it's really hard to come to a negotiated settlement with good and evil. So what Trump has tried to do is he has tried to move in the direction sometimes of Vladimir Putin, sometimes swing back in the direction of Ukraine. This is how negotiations generally work. Some of you out there listening will have been involved in negotiations before. What I would basically characterize Trump as right now is a mediator. Some of you have probably been involved in mediation. The way mediation works is typically one side sits in one room, the other side sits in the other room. They often have their own lawyers and their own legal team. And then the mediator, who is a default judge physically, usually will walk from one room to another and have a conversation to try to bring the two sides together. I've been involved in a decent number of mediations over the years. Any good mediator understands that in order to solve a conflict, which is what we are doing here, in order to solve an adversarial relationship, it can be a divorce proceeding, it can be a company dispute, it can be a dispute between multiple businesses, individuals. You don't go into the mediating room back and forth and say, you know what? You're right, the other side is evil because the team that you're negotiating with is going to say, yeah, I should get everything. Then they're evil. And you don't go in on the other side and say, hey, you know what? This team, they are a hundred percent good. You have to work both sides of the negotiating table. And I can already tell you how this is going to play in the media. They're going to say, oh, my goodness, how could we allow this to happen? It's so incredibly disrespectful. I don't buy into that because I don't buy into the idea that there should be tremendous difference between what a politician says and does in public and private. Sometimes, yes, some things you don't want to be public. But here I think Trump made the calculated decision, along with J.D. vance, that they needed the American people to understand that the fiction they have been told that Ukraine's going to win this war and they're going to kick Russia's butt and they're going to send Russia back and Vladimir Putin's going to step down and everything's going to fall apart because he invaded Ukraine, that's not going to happen. To the extent that there was ever a possibility that Ukraine could win this war, and I question that it has never in the last Year or so, been an active reality. So if you know Ukraine can't win and you know that hundreds of thousands of men are getting killed and effectively you have created a stalemate, a modern day Maginot line for those of you who are history nerds. And it's only going to be moving at small segments because you effectively have these huge, these huge drawn lines with the no man's land in between. If that's the reality where you have reached yourself, then most rational people would say, okay, let's find a way to get a solution here. What stops the solution from happening? Frankly, a lot of people out there are engaging in the magical fantasy that Ukraine was going to beat Russia. And a lot of Democrats have been told that a lot of them have bought into the idea, oh, Zelinsky is a modern day Winston Churchill, he's a hero. He's going to beat back Vladimir Putin, who's a modern day Nazi, Let me just say this, maybe read a few more history books. If every single historical analogy you draw involves Hitler and the Nazis, maybe realize that world history didn't start 80 years ago, that there are other aspects of history you could point to. Because one of the things that left wingers tried to tell you, which is a hundred percent a lie, is they said once Vladimir Putin takes Ukraine, well then he's gonna take Poland or then he's gonna take some other Eastern European country. No, he's not. He doesn't have the ability to do that. He doesn't even have the ability to take all of Ukraine. Russia is not some incredibly strong military. Ukraine, to their credit, has a lot of brave soldiers that have fought, to a large extent Russia to a draw. But it is now clear they cannot win. And even Russia now is throwing North Korean soldiers into the mix. They've got mercenary soldiers everywhere. And so to me, the only solution here, which is what Trump just said publicly, is for there to be peace. Now, when we go to break, I'm going to go in and see what the absolute latest is. Because my one question about the fire fiery exchange we just heard in the Oval Office is, does Zelensky take it all personally and make a decision that is irrational, rooted in emotion and not in logic? Or does Trump's public pronouncement here hasten what he's calling for, which is an immediate ceasefire? Because if you can't win, all you have to negotiate are the two things I laid out. Where's the squiggly line, most of which no American could actually tell the difference in, in the first place, I question whether the majority of Americans could even point to Ukraine on a map if there were no countries labeled. But certainly the new line of Ukraine. Most people are not gonna, it's not gonna impact any of your lives. And then the second part, and the one that you want to avoid because it could impact our lives, is how do we ensure that there isn't in some way an additional, an additional aspect coming where we have another invasion and we basically create a situation where there are perpetual wars taking place in, in Europe between Ukraine and Russia that could potentially spiral into something bigger. All those questions, very important, very significant. We'll continue to break it down. I will dive in and see what the absolute latest from the Oval Office is. 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J.D. Vance
Good.
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Clay Travis
Ranchers.com My name Clay for $25 off that's good. Ranchers.com Clay for 25 bucks off Want to be in the know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buc podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay. Travis Buck Sexton Show Trump has released a statement on the big throwdown with Zelensky. I'm reading it from you right now. We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. It's amazing what comes out through emotion. I have determined President Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don't want advantage. I want peace. He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is ready for peace. That is a statement from Donald Trump just released. Well, well, well. Now where does it go from here? Trump is always negotiating. He wants an immediate ceasefire. It actually seems quite clear, it seems rational that there would be an immediate ceasefire. Remember that we are dealing with winter still in that area of Europe, but typically the fighting increases substantially as the spring thaw comes. And there is more of a commitment to trying to maneuver because it's much easier to do. So there is supposed to be or was supposed to be a joint press conference. Will that happen or not? What will Zelensky and the Ukrainian side do now? I believe, team, you can check on this. They are still somewhere in the Oval Office as Trump has just issued this statement. Fireworks galore. We are going to break all of this down for you as it is happening in real time. The negotiation with Trump and Ukraine. We'll take some of your calls as well. In the meantime, switch your cell phone service to PureTalk right now. You can get a brand new iPhone 14 or Samsung Galaxy deal. They're offering a really good one. You get the phone plus unlimited talk text, plenty of data every month, plus a mobile hotspot. Compare PureTalk's offer to any other wireless carrier. PureTalk comes out ahead by more than 50%. Those big cell phone companies offering a three year deal, 100 bucks a month. Not as good of a deal as what PureTalk is offering you right now. Samsung Galaxy iPhone 14, no cost. By dialing pound two five zero and saying the keywords clay and buck, PureTalk's US customer service team will help you make the switch. It's easy, only takes about 10 minutes. Dial £250, say the keywords Clay and Buck for a free Samsung Galaxy or iPhone 14 on PureTalk right now. PureTalk America's Wireless welcome back in Clay. Travis, Buck Sexton show the joint press conference between Zelinsky and Trump has been canceled. There is a report that Trump has kicked Zelensky and the Ukrainians out of the White House. And I am like many of you clicking refresh to get the absolute latest on how this is going to, how this is going to shake out and whether Zelensky will actually leave the White House. And I say this again, I'll give you the absolute latest because all of this to me is just negotiation and a lot of people are going to get worked up and you see this happen all the time. We'll bring in the attorney general of Kansas who we had scheduled here. And I know we've got, we're going to talk about the border and many of the things that are going on. Kris Kobach, appreciate him joining us right now. I don't know, have you been in mediations like I have where one side pretends to get really angry and they say we're leaving. That offer was disrespectful. It's clear they didn't come to try to settle this case today and they threatened to leave. And then the mediator goes to the other side and the other side threatens to leave. I've been through this so many times. It feels to me like negotiating posture more than anything else. But I'm curious how you would analyze and if you have yourself been through settlement talks like this.
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J.D. Vance
You know, I have as an attorney in my private capacity before I became attorney general. Yes, I have. And as attorney general, I've been in settlement talks. But I have to say I have not been in one where people, you know, get visibly angry and, you know, Storm out or start yelling. This is a. This is a pretty rare thing, at least in my world. So, no, I haven't seen that.
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Clay Travis
But, yeah, it's interesting.
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J.D. Vance
Yeah, it could be, you know, a way of achieving some sort of bargaining position.
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Clay Travis
Well, you know, what's interesting is maybe it's just me. Like, I just. It doesn't really rattle me, but I feel like a lot of attorneys try to play this game where they get riled up and they want to puff out their chest and everything else, and then other aspects of this. By the way, the press conference, Zelinsky canceled right now. Mineral deal not signed. Brett Bayer just tweeted that he is still scheduled to interview Zelensky. Can you imagine that interview at this point? But again, until they actually leave, the White House and team, if you will, monitor this, because I'm sure the cameras are going to be there. Much of this seems like public posturing to me, but we will see. All right. One thing that Trump has certainly done that has not been public posturing is he's effectively shut down the border. Now, I know Kansas is not a direct border state, but given that you have some proximity to Texas, much of that traffic floods its way everywhere. What have you seen in terms of the relationship between the various state attorney generals when it comes to shutting down the border, and what impact have you seen from that occurring?
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J.D. Vance
There's quite a bit of impact already. And Kansas is. Although we're not touching the border, we are very close in the sense of I35 comes straight up from Texas, and it's a major trafficking route. And then we also have our east west highways, which tend to bring in people who have come in across the Arizona section of the border, and then they're moved up to Highway 24, Highway 36. Typically, the smugglers will not use interstates if they can avoid them. 35 is an exception, and they'll use these secondary state highways. But at any rate, yeah, we do get a lot of traffic through Kansas, and we also are a destination state, especially in parts of our state where there may be some meatpacking or other industries. Now, meatpacking has shifted over the last few years, but there are other industries where illegal immigration is a very prominent labor source. So, yeah, we have. As an attorney general, we've seen a lot of things happening. So step back a few months. Right before President Trump was elected and took office, we were suing the Biden administration in case after case after case because the Biden administration was breaking the law. So to give you an example, the very first suit brought during the Biden administration was led by Texas because President Biden announced he was just going to not deport anyone for 100 days. He just made that up. And it's against federal law to do that. Texas won that lawsuit. And then the last one in the immigration context, was brought by Kansas with a bunch of other states coming on as co plaintiffs. And we sued the Biden administration because he was trying to give Obamacare benefits to illegal aliens. And we prevailed in that case. And that's the, you know, but between those two, there were more than a dozen lawsuits brought by state attorneys general to stop the Biden administration for violating the law. Now all of a sudden, things are switched and we're trying to help the Trump administration enforce the law. One of the biggest things right now that I think will have the most consequence is what are called Section 287 agreements. And for those of your listeners who aren't familiar with that, that refers to section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. And that allows either a state law enforcement agency like my Kansas Bureau of Investigations, which is under the attorney general here in Kansas, it allows us to have our officers trained to be essentially ICE off, to take off their, you know, Kansas KBI hat and put on an ICE officer hat when they need to have access to ICE databases to detain an alien who's illegally in the country on behalf of ice. And so it's not only state agencies, but sheriff's offices around the country are getting trained up right now. It's, you know, if anyone associated with a law enforcement agency is listening, you know, think about your agency getting this training because it really is a massive force multiplier. And it's happening a lot in Kansas, Florida, Texas right now. I know a lot of law enforcement agencies have already signed up and have already gotten this authority. You have to get training as well for your officers who are going to be deputized in this manner. But it's a big deal because. Go ahead.
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Clay Travis
No, no, I was just going to say we're talking with Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach, and I was going to ask you on top of this, indeed, working with ice, we had Tom Holman on the show, I believe, Wednesday, talking about all the work that he had done to shut down the border. I'm old enough and certainly we have talked about it a lot on this program to remember when Joe Biden said Congress had to act in order for the border to be shut down. What does it say about Trump's promises that he would come in and fix it. And almost immediately, in the first 30 days, basically all discussion about the border has ended because Trump was right. He did have the executive authority to put in place restrictions on entering into the country. He did it. And Homan told us Wednesday 97% of illegal border crossings have been stopped since.
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J.D. Vance
So the claim made by Democrats, both now and in the past, that Congress has to act to fix the problem is complete baloney. The immigration laws of the United States, a volume of which I have in my office with me, you know, imagine a book about 4 inches thick, a very small font. We have incredibly detailed immigration laws and immigration regulations under that that already make illegal just about everything the illegal aliens are doing. So we don't need additional immigration laws. We just need an executive who will enforce existing immigration laws. That's what President Trump is doing. That is what Biden did not do. In fact, Biden not only did not enforce the laws he violated, he ordered ICE officers and Border Patrol officers to violate certain laws that require the officer to make an arrest under certain circumstances. He said, no, you are not allowed to make that arrest, even though federal statute says you shall make an arrest under those circumstances. So the laws were already there. All it took was an executive willing to enforce the law. And the lawlessness of the Biden administration just stands in stark contrast now when you see a president who's just enforcing the laws that have been on the books, many of them for over 50 years. The most recent ones are already almost 30 years old. So there was never a shortage of laws in this area.
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Clay Travis
By the way, reports Zelensky, seen exiting the White House. Trying to keep everybody updated on exactly what has gone on there. And we will continue to, to update you on all of this. What would you say, as an Attorney General, people should know out there about the primary difference you have seen in the first, I guess like 45 days, 60 days as we come up on it, of Trump 2.0 compared to Biden.
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J.D. Vance
Well, I mean, competency. Competency is the number one difference. I mean, Biden, as you know, throughout his tenure, his four years got more and more, you know, mentally disconnected. And that's just a function of age. Nothing, you know, negative about him as a person, but he just wasn't there. Whereas President Trump is hyper engaged. The other thing is President Trump's 2.0. You know, Trump 47 has a lot more wisdom and experience than Trump 45. Not to say that, you know, Trump 45 wasn't very experienced in all kinds of areas that are relevant to being president. But now he's been through the grinder. He knows what's going to happen, what the deep state is going to try to do to him. He knows what Congress is going to, how they're going to react. And so coming in this second term, he's been extremely effective. I mean, the, the pace at which he was issuing executive orders and the quality of the order. The orders are very detailed. And I'm, you know, as an attorney, I'm looking at, just yesterday I was reviewing some of the executive orders and we had a meeting at the White House with 21 Republican attorneys general, meeting with Pam Bondi to go over very specific things that we're intending to do. This is an extraordinary level of activity where the Trump administration is moving on multiple fronts simultaneously with great speed. I haven't seen any administration do this in the first hundred days and I've seen administrations up, you know, was, was involved on the outside of the Trump administration the first time. They did a great job. But Trump 47 is running a whole lot faster than Trump 45 and a whole lot faster than the Bush administration, which I was involved in. It's really impressive. Really, really impressive.
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Clay Travis
Well, we appreciate the work you're doing in Kansas. Appreciate you giving us some time and some optics and do how life as an Attorney general under Trump is going. We look forward to talking to you again sometimes. Keep up the good work in Kansas.
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J.D. Vance
My pleasure. Thank you.
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Clay Travis
That is Attorney General of Kansas, Kris Kobach. We'll take some of your calls. And we come back reacting still to the fireworks, I think it's fair to call it, inside of the Oval Office between Zelinsky, Donald Trump and J.D. vance, I want to tell you the lunatic anti Israeli protesters are back again in New York City. This time around 100 of them gathering in front of the entrance to Barnard College chanting Free Palestine. They tried to breach police barricades. Several arrests were made. And they also got in officer faces of the NYPD and called them the kkk. All of this just another reminder of why we need to continue to support our friends in Israel. Something the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is dedicated to doing. Your ongoing monthly gift of $45 will provide critically needed aid to communities in the north and south parts of Israel devastated by the ongoing war. 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For those of you that have not heard it, an expectation was that there would be a mineral rights deal signed today that would help to hasten the end of the Ukraine, Russia conflict. It feels to me in many ways like Trump has just skipped ahead several different steps in the direction of getting this war ended. And in order to end the war, you first have to recognize that, that there is no way for Ukraine to win the war once that is recognized. And that was a big part, I believe, of what Trump was saying publicly in the Oval Office. And again, I'll play this audio for those of you who have not heard it. Instead of playing nice and spending the next several months going back and forth, I think what Trump did today is going to make it more likely that Vladimir Putin will agree to some form of peace deal. What does that peace deal look like? As I laid out a little bit earlier, you're essentially now negotiating where the squiggly line is going to be, where is the Russian territory going to end and where is the Ukraine territory going to begin. And then as a secondary part of this negotiation, you are trying to ensure that this never happens again. In other words, that Russia doesn't invade again in a few years when Trump is not in office and try to take more of the Ukrainian territory, which certainly should be the goal, to keep that from ever happening again. So what can occur to end the war now and to hopefully ensure that this is not a short tenured ending that leads to another element of attack. Remember, it was under Obama initially that Russia took Crimea and began the process of taking land that it believed was its historic country boundaries inside of its historic country boundaries, and that it was entitled to. And so that will be the question going forward. And there's going to be a lot of people who have never negotiated any deal at all. I'm just telling you this. These people have never negotiated a deal in their entire lives. And they react in histrionic fashion to every twist. And I'll just take it outside of Russia, Ukraine, look at how the battles over tariffs have been shown to go. They get resolved. By and large, the media loses its mind and then they get resolved. What I would say here is important is I think Trump has created space for Russia to now be able to settle this, this war because they are now not seen completely as evil. And I'll just come back to it. I'll talk about it again at the top of the third hour. It's very hard to negotiate a deal when you say one side is completely in the right, the other side is completely in the wrong. And I'm not saying that that can't sometimes be the case. Some of you out there may have been involved in divorces. Sometimes it's equal fault, right? Hey, 50% my fault, 50% your fault. You look at it. Other times, there is one partner that is truly awful. And when it's up, when an impartial fact finder looks at it, they're like, boy, this is really bad. But generally speaking, we have no fault divorce. Because if you publicly say, hey, your husband was the devil, it's really hard to get an agreement. So generally speaking, what happens is an agreement is reached and we don't spend all this time trying to figure out exactly what the percentage is fault versus non fault. I wish Russia had never invaded Ukraine. I wish there was no war. But there are wars and they eventually have to get settled. And what Trump is doing is saying, hey, Ukraine, we're not going to fund this war forever. You don't have a good cards that you are holding. It's time for you to recognize that a resolution needs to happen and the war needs to end. America is the peacemaker here. We're not trying to propagate this war any longer with American taxpayer dollars. It's time to end it. That's actually a strong and I think very important statement for the President of the United States to have just made. That's what Trump did. We'll break it down for you next.