Hour 2 - Future of the Party?

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show – Hour 2: Future of the Party? Release Date: August 6, 2025

In the second hour of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton engage in a robust discussion with New York Post columnist Miranda Devine. The conversation delves into the future of the Democratic Party, potential legal repercussions for prominent figures, and the overarching impact of media narratives on political dynamics.

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1. Subpoenas and Legal Accountability

Timestamp: 02:25 – 06:43

Buck Sexton introduces Miranda Devine, who provides her insights on recent subpoenas targeting multiple Attorney Generals and the Clintons over the past two decades. Devine expresses skepticism but acknowledges the heightened determination within Trump's circle to seek accountability.

Notable Quote:

"Donald Trump has a different attitude this term to his first term... He wants Accountability. And he's told all his people, and I think his people want accountability."
— Miranda Devine (03:15)

Devine outlines how Trump’s initial reluctance to pursue legal actions against figures like Hillary Clinton shifted due to ongoing political attacks and perceived injustices, leading to a more aggressive stance against what she describes as the "deep state."

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2. Media Accountability and the Pulitzer Prize

Timestamp: 07:35 – 10:47

The conversation shifts to the role of major media outlets like The New York Times and The Washington Post in perpetuating false narratives about Russia collusion. Devine criticizes these institutions for their alleged misinformation and suggests that they should return Pulitzer Prizes as a form of reparations.

Notable Quote:

"They ought to start by giving back those dirty Pulitzer Prizes... They should humiliate former editors who've left for their so-called leadership of that newsroom."
— Miranda Devine (09:00)

Devine argues that the media's extensive coverage of the Russia hoax has been one-sided, dedicating significant airtime to debunking recent revelations while neglecting to address their previous inaccuracies.

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3. Prospects of Legal Indictments

Timestamp: 11:39 – 16:01

Buck Sexton and Devine explore the likelihood of grand jury indictments against high-profile Democrats, including former officials like James Clapper and John Brennan. Devine is confident that the Department of Justice is prepared to pursue these cases diligently.

Notable Quote:

"There are multiple laws on the books... to certainly bring charges against these coup plotters."
— Miranda Devine (13:45)

She emphasizes the strategic legal maneuvers being employed to hold these individuals accountable, despite potential statutory limitations.

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4. The Democratic Party's Leadership Crisis

Timestamp: 23:54 – 38:03

The discussion pivots to the internal struggles within the Democratic Party. Devine criticizes leaders like Gavin Newsom, J.B. Pritzker, and Andy Beshear, labeling them as flawed and ineffective. She highlights the lack of cohesive leadership similar to what Nancy Pelosi provided for Republicans.

Notable Quote:

"The Democrats are lost. They have Trump derangement syndrome so bad that they can't walk."
— Miranda Devine (28:12)

Clay Travis adds to the critique by questioning the electability of prominent Democrats, suggesting that figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) dominate the party’s image despite their perceived lack of broad appeal.

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5. Future of Democratic Candidates

Timestamp: 30:26 – 37:01

Clay and Buck debate the potential future leaders of the Democratic Party, debating whether AOC will serve as the face of the party or if more moderate candidates like Kamala Harris will emerge. They express doubts about the media's ability to support strong Democratic candidates capable of winning national elections.

Notable Quote:

"AOC is young, she's a minority, she is adept on social media when so many Democrats are unable to do anything."
— Clay Travis (31:00)

The hosts argue that the Democratic Party lacks viable candidates who can unify the party and appeal to a broader electorate, thereby jeopardizing their competitiveness in future elections.

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6. Breaking News: Fort Stewart Army Base Shooting

Timestamp: 38:03 – 40:53

The show briefly covers a shooting incident at Fort Stewart Army Base in southeast Georgia, where five service members were shot. The shooter has been taken into custody, and authorities are investigating the motive. The hosts emphasize the importance of staying informed and prepared for emergencies.

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7. General Political Analysis and Conclusion

Timestamp: 41:00 – 50:33

In the final segment, Clay and Buck reflect on the broader political landscape, emphasizing the challenges faced by the Republican Party in maintaining leadership and countering Democratic strategies. They advocate for voter responsibility and highlight the influence of media and political dynasties in shaping electoral outcomes.

Notable Quote:

"Ultimately, it falls on voters... if your dad was governor, you have a really good chance of getting elected too."
— Clay Travis (46:21)

They conclude with a call to action for listeners to remain vigilant and engaged in the political process, stressing the need for strong, accountable leadership on both sides of the aisle.

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Final Thoughts

Hour 2 of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" provides a critical examination of the current state and future prospects of the Democratic Party. Through Miranda Devine's incisive commentary and the hosts' probing questions, listeners gain an understanding of the internal and external pressures influencing American politics. The episode underscores themes of accountability, media responsibility, and the imperative for effective leadership, making it a compelling listen for those interested in the evolving political narrative.

Transcript

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[Miranda Devine]

Great to be with you. Hope this sounds okay.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, it was great. It was fantastic. So tell us this comer. Let's start with this one. Comer's subpoenas for every Attorney General that I think anybody can name going back 20 years and also Hillary and Bill Clinton all This stuff. Do you think this goes somewhere? Clay and I. I don't know if you heard any part of this, but we're both skeptical. But what do you think? What does this mean? What happens?

[Miranda Devine]

Look, I mean, there's a lot of people trying to do a lot of things. So just setting Congress aside, because I think we've seen, you know, through the Biden administration, even when the Republicans did take the House for all their best efforts, it's pretty much a toothless tiger, unless it's in the hands of someone very Machiavellian like Nancy Pelosi, who manages to put people like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro in jail for contempt of. I don't know that the Republicans in Congress are quite that ruthless yet, but certainly Donald Trump and his, you know, Justice Department people, whether it be Pam Bondi or Kash Patel and then CIA Director John Ratcliffe, backed up by Chuck Grassley, the senator who's been sort of the champion of transparency and whistleblowers forever, they are determined. They mean business. And I think that's backed by the fact that Donald Trump has a different attitude this term to his first term. He told me in an interview that he, yes, he did feel angry about these new revelations that Tulsi Gabbard has been tabling about the origins of the Russia hoax, about how Obama directed his national security intelligence people to concoct this intelligence that said that Putin favored Trump and that's why he won the 2016 election, that wasn't true. And it was just a sort of a decoy from Hillary Clinton's problems and trying to salve Obama's ego, because Donald Trump's victory was a repudiation of his eight years. So all of that has made Donald Trump more determined. And he said in his first term he wanted to show mercy. He thought the country should heal. He, even though his rallies, his supporters were saying, lock her up about Hillary Clinton, he figured, well, look, she's the wife of a former president. She's a former secretary of state. I just don't want to go after her and cause the country to be in turmoil and chaos. I just want to concentrate on fixing the economy, et cetera. Well, then in the ensuing eight years, look what happened to him. They targeted him with, you know, impeachments, the Russia hoax, lawfare, assassination attempts, you name it, and he's still standing. The American people saw through it all. He won a comprehensive victory that they can't try and delegitimize like they did in 2016. And now he wants Accountability. And he said so. And he's told all his people, and I think his people want accountability. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel both have been targeted by the deep state by, well, in Tulsi Gabbard's place, allies of Hillary Clinton who wanted to get their revenge on her and put her on the Quiet Skies program. You have so many people within the Trump orbit who were targeted like he was and are victims of that deep state and are tougher and stronger as a result. So they are all on the same page. They want accountability and not about, you know, retribution and vendettas. It is about a deterrence. You can't trust these people not to do it again to the next Republican or MAGA president, because the last time that Trump showed mercy, they just doubled down. So never again, I think, is the motto of the Trump administration.

[Unknown Host]

We're talking to Miranda Devine, who was right on basically everything over the years. Let me ask you a big question here, Miranda. Let's pretend that Jeff Bezos called you. Let's pretend that whoever is the Soulsbergers or whoever heck runs the New York Times now, those two entities gave themselves, through their friends in the media, Pulitzer Prizes. And I think as a result of awarding what has been proven to be legitimately untrue scoops that were given the highest order of award that can happen, they just refused to acknowledge that everything they wrote about Russia collusion was wrong. I think if you look, Buck and I talked about this a little bit, Jason Blair, back in the day, the New York Times did a huge front page story when they realized that he was a fabulous, that he had made everything up. And they said, you know, we expect when we get things wrong, that we acknowledge that we got things wrong. What should the New York Times and the Washington Post do today? We all know they screwed up for a decade. If you were asked your best advice for those institutions based on the false reporting that they did surrounding Russia and.

[Miranda Devine]

More, that's a really good example to use the Jason Blair example. Back in the day when these newspaper institutions were regarded as being the sort of pinnacle of journalism and everybody wanted to work there, well, I mean, I think they're too far gone. But, you know, if they wanted to try and clean house and make amends, they ought to start by giving back those dirty Pulitzer Prizes. I mean, the Pulitzer foundation ought to be rescinding them. But unfortunately, I think like the Nobel Prize, it's lost any cachet since they traduced it by giving it to Undeserving people. The Nobel Peace Prize, remember, went to Barack Obama when he barely had his feet under the desk. And, you know, Donald Trump, who did the Abraham Accords, just was ignored. And the Pulitzers are the same. So I start by giving back the Pulitzers and then you do a comprehensive investigation of what went wrong and you do front page mea culpas. Chelsea Gabbard pointed out that these organizations, you know, whether it be the Times, the Post, The Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, they devoted something like 2,000 minutes to the Russia hoax. And so far they've devoted two minutes to collectively to the revelations of the last two weeks that show that this was, you know, a total hoax, a plan, a coup to bring down Donald Trump, to sabotage his presidency, to delegitimize his election victory and to sow discord with Russia. And this was all Obama and Hillary Clinton and they sticked their, you know, CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey and James Clapper, the NSA guy. So all of that should be gone into with, you know, seven pylon extravaganzas that they devoted to the original hoax. And it ought to be. They should be in sackcloth and ashes and they should fire people. They should humiliate former editors who've left for their so called leadership of that newsroom. I think. I mean, it's the only way that they could restore their reputations. But unfortunately, the way they've curated their audiences, I think they would lose subscriptions. I think their readers would go ballistic because they don't want to know the truth. They just stick their fingers in their ears and continue on lively. You know, the Rachel Maddow is their patron saint of journalism.

[Jamie Rubin]

We're speaking of Miranda Devine. Pod Force One is her podcast. And Miranda, I had the distinct honor and pleasure of getting to a segment with you on Will Cain show a couple of days ago. And you were fabulous, by the way. Just throw that out there. As always appreciated. Getting to hang out with you and with Will is like a great, it was always a great time. But we were talking about this, this grand jury component of the Russia collusion, I guess now transparency effort that the administration is going through. I know that it's early and we don't really know, but what is your sense? Do you think that the administration is preparing for the possibility, at least politically, of indictments to come down against people like Brennan and Clapper? Or is that just way too far afield in your mind?

[Miranda Devine]

No, I absolutely think that's the case. I mean, there are very smart prosecutors in the Department of Justice who are looking at this being creative. Look how creative the Bide Department of Justice was when they were coming after Donald Trump and various other of his allies. So there are multiple laws on the books, probably too many, and they can be employed and deployed in various ways to certainly bring charges against these coup plotters. And, you know, at first, John Ratcliffe, CIA director, kicks the ball rolling, I think, at the beginning of July with that review of the, you know, the bogus intelligence assessment. And he was talking then about perjury charges. And then, you know, there's talk that the statute of limitations will have run out only five years. But then that, you know, certainly Brennan and some of the others may have also allegedly perjured themselves when they gave testimony to some of the Biden impeachment inquiries. And so which is more recent. So that was then. And now I think the whole conversation has moved on to looking at conspiracy charges. And as John Ratcliffe said just on Sunday to Maria Bartiroma, that conspiracy continued through to this day through the Biden administration and to this day. So I think, you know, they have a lot of leeway there to look at tying up a lot of people. And I'm hearing that there's more than one grand jury that they're contemplating, and paneling in Florida would be one, maybe in D.C. just ease of access for documents. And I think it's going to be a big issue. And why wouldn't it be? You know, you have the immense power of the federal government, Department of Justice. You now have Tulsi Gabbard, who's really relentless in pushing through any deep state obstruction she's getting from these agencies to get documents, and she's just referring them straight to the doj. So I think it's going to be fruitful for them. And as we've heard, I mean, James Clapper said himself, he's lawing up. Jonathan Turley says all of D.C. is lawyering up. And the lawyers are more than busy and some of them are having to lawyer up themselves. I think it's good.

[Unknown Host]

And, you know, you're in a tough spot, Miranda, when your lawyer wants to get his own lawyer. That's, I always say, well, that's a, that's a tough spot. Let me ask you this quickly. On the way out, I would say the number one concern of our audience is we've heard all this. It's a lot of, you know, flapping of the gum, so to speak. A lot of talk. It has never actually led to Anybody being charged with crimes, not even talking about convictions, what do you think the chances are that there are people indicted for crimes and that there is in some way at least that are an arrest for crimes? If you were setting odds, more or less likely than 50%, I'd say more.

[Miranda Devine]

And in part, that's because exactly as you say, we're all cynical, we're all fed up. The boy has cried wolf a million times and nothing's ever happened. And so I think that that actually is an issue for Donald Trump with the loyalty of his base, because they're sick of promises, they're sick of being led down the garden path and nobody ever is brought to account. And therefore the deep state, the bad guys, the wrongdoers, whatever you call them, the coup plotters, they just get more and more emboldened. And it's very dangerous for the Republic. It goes beyond Donald Trump, it goes to the very survival of this country, that you cannot have this two tiered system of justice where one side gets just killed for the most minor issue and the other side gets away with murder, literally.

[Jamie Rubin]

Rand, appreciate you being with us. Thank you as always.

[Miranda Devine]

Thank you. Great to talk to you both.

[Jamie Rubin]

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Well, back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show Our thanks to Miranda Devine, Governor of Texas. Greg Abbott going to be up next hour. I gotta say, Miranda saying she thinks there's a greater than 50% chance that there are going to be arrests surrounding the lies that were told. I would take of anybody out there in media who has been willing to take slings and arrows, particularly if you work at a newspaper. I'm not sure that Miranda took more than anybody in media for what she wrote about the Hunter Biden laptop, all the work that she did on all of that. And to me, for her to say she expects for there to be consequences is a prediction that I would pay attention to. So I remain skeptical. I think you remain skeptical that there will actually be charges brought. But her saying there might be multiple grand juries is interesting because I said to me, linking all of this to one crime is very difficult, I think but then you're kind of doubling your odds. Maybe you get shot down in D.C. but you could I think maybe get some indictments in Florida.

[Jamie Rubin]

Maybe we've seen the right learn something from the approach that the Democrats took of four criminal prosecutions for hand picked jurisdictions. Although they didn't pick the Florida jurisdiction very well. I think they just, that was just an extra shot on goal for them. But yeah, what's the old phrase, Clay? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. That. Yeah, I think that's increasingly I said it on the show yesterday, I guess that a lot of people want an eye for an eye approach to the Democrats with the legal system and the weaponization of law. I get it. You know, it's if you, if it's within the scope of the law or you can make the case, maybe you give it a shot, put it to a jury.

[Unknown Host]

Well, I think a lot of people would just even if they don't get the conviction, getting the grand jury indictments I think for a lot of people would be validation in some way because they get the arrest, you have to post bail. Eventually you have to either plead guilty to a lesser crime or you, you have your trial. I think indictments from a grand jury would be seen by many people as a validation of the lies that you had to swim through for so many years. And Miranda thinks that's more likely than not. I hope she's right.

[Jamie Rubin]

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[Miranda Devine]

Democrat Party is self destructing. I mean, when you have low IQ people like Crockett, I wonder if she's any relationship to the late, great Davy Crockett, who is a great, great, a great gentleman. I wonder if she's got any relationship to Davy Crockett, the great old Davy Crockett. But you have this woman Crockett. She's a very low IQ person. Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders of the party. I said, you got to be kidding. The Democrats are lost. They have Trump derangement syndrome so bad that they can't walk.

[Unknown Host]

They can't.

[Miranda Devine]

They don't know where they're going.

[Jamie Rubin]

Schumer is finished. Schumer looks, I watched him the other day.

[Miranda Devine]

He's lost all of his confidence.

[Jamie Rubin]

What do you make of it, Clay?

[Unknown Host]

I think, first of all, it's very funny and Davy Crockett is an American icon, American original, and Jasmine Crockett is an American moron. But I think what Trump has hit on is really actually a very important part here of the struggles that Democrats have had since his election. No one is the chief spokesperson for the party. And we told you this. Whatever you think about Nancy Pelosi, I think Nancy Pelosi was smart and diabolical when it came to managing and advancing the political agenda that she believed in the most and she got when she was the speaker of the House, she had everybody lined up behind her. She could snap her fingers and everybody moved in the direction she wanted them to go. By and large, it's a very impressive leadership. Hakeem Jeffries, I mean, I don't even think Hakeem Jeffries responds well to questions when he is talking. You mentioned J.B. pritzker earlier. I think there are a lot of Democrat governors with fundamental flaws which limit their overall nationwide appeal. So whether it's Gavin Newsom, whether it's J.B. pritzker, whether it's Josh Shapiro, whether it's Andy Beshear, whether it's Wes Moore, who, it's Gretchen Whitmer, whomever you want to point towards and say, oh, this person has been a great governor, they're going to be the future of the Democrat Party. Bernie's too old. I actually think the more and more I've thought about this, and it's embarrassing how much time I sit around thinking about things like this. I actually think AOC is the face of the party. And I. And I'm not saying that because I think that AOC is a brilliant tactical politician or anything else. I think she has the ability to get attention and I think she has the ability to dictate conversation in some way. Doesn't mean that I think she's going to be elected president or anything else. I'm curious if you would sign off on that right now. If I had to pick one person that is the face. I mean, there are lots of people who want to be it.

[Jamie Rubin]

Right.

[Unknown Host]

Gavin Newsom and is trying to do everything he can to be the face of the Democrat Party. But I actually think it's aoc. I think aoc, if I were pointing to somebody, she's young, she's a minority, she is adept on social media when so many Democrats are unable to do anything. I do not think she's particularly smart. I do not think that she is particularly skilled at communication. But I do think of all the Democrats. She's number one on the list of who is the person that I think of who is most likely to be the face if you're taking away people like Bernie.

[Jamie Rubin]

I said that right after this last election and I still, I think I was saying that in, in January of this past year and I still stick with it. Clay, you know, there's, there's a. To me, the question is more, is it aoc, top of the ticket, and then somebody like a. Who's that? Who's that Democrat in your. In your. Oh, no, in Kentucky. In Kentucky. Sorry, who's the Democrat?

[Unknown Host]

Bashir. Bashir.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, somebody like that. The idea is, oh, we've got another. We got a more normal sort of down the middle Democrat there too. So people will believe it more when AOC says I'm not really a communist. Or is it the other way around? AOC is more the vice president, you know, to make the base happy. And then you've got somebody who's more like a Biden, who's just a. An empty suit to allow the communist policies to go through. But I think that's the only way they can do it. Remember, Democrats can only win national elections by pretending they aren't really Democrats. When the whole country is voting, that's the only way they can pull it off. They have to pretend they're less Democrat or less left wing than they actually are. It's a fool you game. I.

[Unknown Host]

The one thing I don't know about aoc, and I would be curious how you would analyze this is Kamala, when she had to talk, fell apart. That's not a good thing for Democrat politician or a Republican politician because Basically your job is to talk. And I wonder if AOC faces real pushback. We never really seen her on a debate stage. We've never seen her prove that she has the ability to translate whatever message she has to a larger scale. She's fine when she's on a prompter, she's fine when she's at a rally and she knows what she's going to say. But when you get into those debates, this is where Trump excelled. And I always love the quote, everybody has a plan till they get punched in the face. The Mike Tyson famous quote. A lot of people don't perform that well in that debate universe. In the basically sort of royal rumble that becomes an American presidential campaign, the primary, more so than the actual general, because if you're the general nominee, it's just 1v1. The Royal Rumble style primary debates, anything can happen. You know, I don't know if she has that next level, next gear, but I can look at J.B. pritzker and say he's too flawed. I can look at. I actually think he's made awful decisions. I think Gavin Newsom has. I don't think California Democrats are going to play well. Josh Shapiro to me is the no brainer choice, but evidently he's not considerable by a large portion of the Democrat base because he's Jewish. Mayor Pete I think is out of the race because he's gay. You know, you can start to just kind of X people out and what I get left with is Kamala versus Kamala versus AOC like that. That's kind of where I see it.

[Jamie Rubin]

You know, you, you were, you were cruising along there and you were doing a great time on your lap. And then you blew a tire, Clay, and you spun out and you just went about 180 miles an hour into the barrier. I don't know, I don't know what happened there. At the end. You were about to get wave through with a checkered flag.

[Unknown Host]

I just, I don't, I, I, Andy Beshear is a total wuss. And I feel bad like kind of taking a two by four to this guy. But he is every loser fraternity chair that nobody in the fraternity actually respects. But he's like the secretary of the fraternity. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Jamie Rubin]

Yes.

[Unknown Host]

No. Like if you're actually in the fraternity to have fun, you don't want the responsibility of being the president or the vice president or the treasurer of the. Like, Andy Beshear is the treasurer of the fraternity. He got in because his dad was a member. Of the fraternity. He walks around in his penny loafers and his polo.

[Jamie Rubin]

Hey, nothing wrong with penny loafers and polos, sir.

[Unknown Host]

I'm just saying he's the guy who's like, are you sure we need that many kegs? You know, everybody's like, quit being a loser. Dude like that is Andy Beshear. So I have. I understand that there are tons of losers in the Democrat party, but even for Democrats, I think they're going to look at Andy Beshear. I'm actually, I think electing Andy Beshear twice is one of the most shameful things that's ever been done in the history of the state of Kentucky. Like, I'm sorry, Kentucky? And this, this guy is such a limp wrist. Limp wristed loser. I mean, did you see his Vogue photo shoot? I mean, come on, a Vogue photo shoot? That's how you're going to launch yourself on the national stage. He shut down churches. He wouldn't let you guys even play basketball, for goodness sakes, during COVID because he thought it was too dangerous. Um, I just, I look at this guy and I just think he's a clown. But I think you can do this for a lot of these guys. I think Josh Shapiro is actually fairly smart. Unfortunately for him and the modern Democrat party, you may not be elected in a primary being Jewish. And I've said it before, and I hate to say it, but it is true. JB Pritzker is just too fat. I mean, we're never going to. I don't think. Do you agree with me on this? We're never going to elect a morbidly obese president. I know fat Taft got it back in the day. That was pre, pre television. I just think it's not like Chris Christie. Same way. Like it just. It's not going to work in a television age. Am I wrong on this or do you sign off? There is a level of chubbiness that you just can't come overcome.

[Jamie Rubin]

He could just start slapping some peptides and he dropped that weight in, in a, in a hot second, though. So maybe that chain. Maybe.

[Unknown Host]

Yeah.

[Jamie Rubin]

But all of a sudden. And he'll start telling everybody, I'm just eating chicken breast and getting in more steps. But if you see him drop 150 pounds, he's running for president for sure.

[Unknown Host]

Well, I think he's going to run no matter what, But I think he'll look like Al Sharpton and Al Roker did. When you drop like 150 pounds, the skin is still there and you look like you know, sort of do that strength training.

[Jamie Rubin]

You got to keep that lean muscle mass while you're dropping those lbs. Very, very important. Otherwise, you look like, you look like you're just evaporating, which is not a good thing.

[Unknown Host]

But I think this is the challenge that Trump was kind of getting at. And I think he gets to the essence of issues very frequently, which is there's a void of leadership. And unfortunately for Democrats, morons like Jasmine Crockett, who are very outspoken, have stepped into that void. And the faces of the Democrat Party, and there are multiple, most of them do not appeal to anyone with a functional brain who is persuadable to vote for either a Democrat or a Republican. And I think that's the challenge they find themselves in, is it's not going to be an easy way to get out of that rut, which is why I was talking about this at the start of the show. So I, I'm stunned that there isn't Rahm Emanuel has tried to do it, that there hasn't been more of an attack on the left yet. Gavin Newsom tried to do it. You gotta have your sister soldier moment where you're like, hey, like Bill Clinton tried to do, hey, I'm a Democrat, but I'm not crazy. And you have to actually start to attack people inside of your own party. Maybe that's going to happen in the future. Nobody's been willing to do it yet.

[Jamie Rubin]

Just a note on, on some breaking news actually was occurring this morning, but we're getting more live updates on it. Our team is monitoring very closely everything that's coming out of this. The Fort Stewart army base shooting. This is in southeast Georgia. It was locked down. Five people at the 4Stewart army base were shot this morning. So this was the shooter shot the shot members of the 2nd Armored Brigade Combat Team, area of the base. So this is 40 miles to the southwest of Savannah. And this is, we have, we don't have anything other than five people were shot. The base was locked down. And we're, the president has been briefed on it. Secretary Noem has been briefed on it. And we're monitoring this for, for additional information. But right now that's what we got. But we are, because some people have been weighing in saying, hey, are you guys seeing this? We're, we're watching it. And the shooters in custody team has got that for us. But as, as to motives, as to status of those who have been shot, my understanding is, you know, the incident is over. But if we have any more further rather you know that's it's all clear on the base now. There's no more lockdown. We'll have updates for you on this as they come in, no doubt.

[Unknown Host]

And some reports out there, Fox News reported. I even hate diving into this because these news stories are breaking and we don't want to be wrong about them but that there does not appear to be any fatalities. So that is what Fox News has put out at least one of their reporters on the shooting related incident. The shooter, like you said, is in custody. Look, we'll come back, we'll break down more of this, continue to update you as as we roll through the program. But I have to tell you right now, violence continues to pour in all over Israel and as a result they are trying to build bomb shelters to protect everyone. And if you are in Israel, you have spent much of the past two years unfortunately having to run for air raid sirens into the bomb shelters. And I've said it before and I've said it and continue to repeat it. If Israel laid down weapons today, it wouldn't exist within a few weeks. If the rest of the Middle east would put down their weapons, there would be peace in the Middle East. And you saw that on October 7th. Now's your time to stand with Israel and their hoped for peaceful future. You can call 888488 IFCJ. That's 888488 IFCJ to make your donation to build bomb shelters and or you can go online to IFCJ.org that's IFCJ.org news and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Jamie Rubin]

Head spin is, you know, Andy Beshear is weak.

[Unknown Host]

He's Olympus.

[Jamie Rubin]

Pritzker is obese. You know, do nothing.

[Unknown Host]

Then you've got, you know, new scum. But they all got elected somehow. I mean, who is voting for these idiots? This is a question that I'm sure many of you sit around thinking about a great deal. I do not think, and we've talked about this a lot, I do not think we are represented by the best possible candidates. I think a lot of people who are successful in life say it's not worth getting into the mess of running for political office. The easy answer is JB Pritzker is a billionaire and Andy Beshear's daddy was governor of Kentucky and lots of people. If you have billions of dollars to spend, you're going to get elected. That's the Reality. And if your daddy was governor, you have a really good chance of getting elected too. Ultimately, it falls on voters. And voters sit and watch television ads and they get influenced by them while claiming they aren't. And if they know a name, they'll show up and vote for the same name again. This is why dynasties and politics happen. Because a lot of people like Dandy Beshear's daddy. And so they've decided to vote for the treasurer of the fraternity to continue to be representing the state. To me, Kentucky's an embarrassment because Bashir has been an awful governor and they rubber stamped him to return. That's the part that I would say is disappointing. JB Pritzker just bought the governor's race in Illinois. I mean, he's a billionaire kid. He just can pay whatever he needs to be able to get elected. I mean, I think that's the answer.

[Jamie Rubin]

Yeah, not, not impressive. Not impressive people at all. So there's that. And that's unfortunately the case. Paul and Huntington Beach. What's going on, Paul?

[Miranda Devine]

How you doing guys?

[Jamie Rubin]

We're good.

[Unknown Host]

Hey, I want to know when are.

[Jamie Rubin]

You guys going to get your coffee into Costco?

[Unknown Host]

Well, that would be it. Thank you for the call. That would be a hell of a move if we could get there. And right now we are going straight direct to consumer and thousands and thousands of you have signed up. You're even starting to hear the ads elsewhere. That would probably take a few years, I mean candidly, because you have to be able to produce direct to consumer products at a massive scale to be able to get into Costco. I'm not sure frankly whether Costco would like the politics of Davy Crockett. They tend to be a left wing organization of a company like ours that believes in American exceptionalism. But we'll see. Buck, you're about to bounce. You're going to be. I don't know if you told people where you're going to be the next few days or is that a top secret? I don't want to blow both things away.

[Jamie Rubin]

I'm heading to the mountains of North Carolina. So if you see a guy with poofy hair, a beautiful wife and a really cute baby in a stroller, come say, hi, it's me.

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[Christiane Amanpour]

I'm Christiane Amanpour and I've been on the front lines and interviewing world leaders for more than 30 years.

[Jamie Rubin]

And I'm Jamie Rubin, a former advisor to both Presidents Clinton and Biden.

[Christiane Amanpour]

We were married for 20 years and divorced for seven. Now we've joined forces on the X Files to make sense of how we.

[Unknown Host]

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[Christiane Amanpour]

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