Buck Sexton (4:35)

So I can tell you that from what I have, I've heard from the administration in recent days, it is very much in the decision making process right now on this issue. Meaning Trump is. Yes, and this is being widely reported, but I'm told this is true.

Caller (4:54)

That.

Buck Sexton (4:54)

Meaning it's not like a decision has been made. It is still Trump weighing options, watching and making the determination as commander in chief when and if he sees the moment is right. So there's a whole bunch of things that come into play here. For one, we know that there's, there's the helpful but not kinetic actions. Helpful but not kinetic, that's what I call them. And that would be things like cyber messing with Iranian regime, communications, helping communications. And I might note Elon is already.

Clay Travis (5:38)

Doing his part trying to get Starlink back up because there's lots of reports that Iran basically has totally sabotaged his ability to get Internet access to the people who are protesting.

Buck Sexton (5:49)

I mean, one thing that is going on right now is Iran is trying to keep the world in the dark. In some cases literally keep us, I will keep its own people in the dark rather by cutting power, cutting Internet access and making it so that we won't know how brutal the repression really is. Because they realize there is a, there is a threshold through which even other countries will start to go, whoa, yes, this is, this is crossing a line. So that doesn't mean they'll do anything about it. But you know, the Iranians are not in some position. Iran is not Russia. Iran cannot afford to just thumb its nose at the world and say, we've got nukes and lots of oil. You're not doing anything about it. And so that means that they do have to pay attention to what's happening right now with the repression. And let's be clear, they're mowing down people who are unarmed, who are protesting in the streets. They are murdering men and women, probably children too, who are at these protests in an act of we are in charge. You shut your mouths or we will kill you. Right. So there's the non kinetic stuff and then you get into that we could do. And then there's the kinetic stuff and that's, that's where things get more interesting in a whole range of ways. We could hit, like I said, Clay, we could hit the besieged facilities. We could hit. So besieged are. I mentioned this. They're like the street thugs. Think of them like the Iranian brown, you know, the ir, the revolutionary brown shirts. They are like a militia meant to. And this is very common, you'll notice with dictators, with authoritarians. They, they have the military and they always have the paramilitary. Right. They have the people that are kind of operating with the wink of the administration, the help administration, but not quite on direct orders necessarily, or at least pretending they're not on direct orders. So they can do really nasty stuff. Stuff, you know, that's the, they'll, they'll do whatever. We could blow up some of their stuff. Then the issue, Clay, becomes what does Iran do in response? They do have some long range missiles and they could try to hit our bases and they could try to hit Israel. Will they do that? And then what do we do in response? This is where things get tricky and it is why Trump is weighing his options as we speak, very carefully.

Clay Travis (8:05)

Well, and certainly the other question about this is do they have the ability to actually do any damage to us? And this is why I think American military resources are being pulled out of Qatar. They certainly Iran has fired hundreds if not thousands of missiles at Israel indiscriminately in response to what Israel did during the 12 day war. I think the question that ultimately is now confronting the Ayatollah. And this is where I would say it's connected to what happened with Venezuela and Maduro. I think the people of Iran, the ayatollah, the leadership at the high levels, the mullahs, are aware that if the United States wants to take them out, we can take them out. And this is where I think the Venezuela Maduro example is impacting I think a lot of the geopolitical relations the United States has with many countries around the world, because many of them looked around and said, wait a minute, if they can do this to Venezuela, could they do this to us too? And so I wonder on some level, and I'm not sure if he's willing to do it because he's an old man. I think The Ayatollah is 88, if I'm not mistaken. What Maduro should have done, buck, was take the gilded refuge, live as a multi hundred millionaire on some fabulous estate somewhere in a very nice region. And I wonder whether some of the top Iranian leaders might be thinking, given what happened to Maduro, boy, I don't want to die or I don't want to end up in a prison for the rest of my life, maybe I should voluntarily relinquish power and basically abdicate not a throne, but abdicate the seat of government. I wonder whether there's back channel negotiations and discussions taking place as it pertains to that. That's what I would wonder in general if the decision making potentially is going to impact that and would they be willing to make that rational choice or are these guys going to go down with the proverbial ship?

Buck Sexton (10:08)

Well, we know and I think Trump knows this and has known this for a long time. The American people have no stomach whatsoever and shouldn't because I think it's an error. It's not just we don't want to pay the price. I don't think we would get where we want to go trying to run Iran ourselves, rebuild it, patrol the streets. I mean, the old Iraq 2003 model, not happening. It's just not happening. So the concerns that people have about that, I understand those concerns, but no one in any decision make, Pete Hegseth won't allow that. Trump won't allow that. J.D. go down the list. No one is going to say that that's what we're going to do. So as long as that's off the table, and I truly believe with this administration, it is other administrations, it wouldn't be off the table. This administration was to give you a sense of how cynical things were. Obama came in and simultaneously in Afghanistan, and I was working on the Afghan desk at the CIA when this happened. So this was, I was paying very close attention to this, said, we're going to surge 100,000 troops, but also here's our withdrawal, here's the drawdown date. And everyone's like, what do you mean? You surge the troops to win. You don't surge the troops to make some political statement and then say, but we're also going to leave at this time. The whole thing was a mess. It was all politics. But Afghanistan was the good war, Iraq was the bad war. We've learned all these lessons is my point, Clay. And as long as the Iranian people are the ones calling the shots in, in charge at the end of this, that's where we want to be. Not, it's not going to be us. We're not, we're not sending our, you know, 19, 20, 21 year old Marines to try to get the water turned on in Shiraz.

Clay Travis (11:42)

I, I think one of the questions that is maybe most paramount here too, Buck, is what is the Iranian military going to do? And I've talked to some people, you may have had actual discussions about this back when you were in your previous life. At some point in time, the military moves from, we're taking the orders from the people in the high command, the ayatollahs, the mullahs. And when you start asking them to mow down protesters, they start recognizing, wait, that could be my sister, they, that could be my aunt, that could be my uncle, that could be my brother, sister, and they start to refuse to just make that choice. Right. And I wonder if, as these bodies are stacking up, whether some of these military individuals are going to, you remember when.

Buck Sexton (12:34)

Bernie, can I tell you what I think the calculation is? Because what you're saying is true, but in the context of Iran, it's for these soldiers who are being given these orders. I think a more immediate thing for some of them is if I don't do this, are they going to execute me and maybe throw my family in.

Clay Travis (12:54)

Some hellhole, make an example of me? So you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

Buck Sexton (12:59)

That's the real. And so the calculation becomes, well, if I don't do it, is there a chance that I can survive?

Clay Travis (13:05)

Yes.

Buck Sexton (13:06)

Or that they won't be willing to execute me to make an example of me? Right. If I, if I, if I basically defy this order, what happens to me? Because that's the calculate that when you get into people's self interest, you really know what you're dealing with.

Clay Travis (13:21)

That's also where it's not only the self interest, it's what is the impact if the United States rains down bombs on the Ayatollah? I think that's a big part of their discussion too. Does it in some way strengthen the Iranian regime because they say, oh look, these are just external actors attacking us internally in the country. This is not an organic, organic anti Iran protest. This is Israel, this is the United States, this is external actors. Or to your point, Buck, which I think is an interesting one, does the attack further delegitimize the Iranian regime such that some of those soldiers look around and say, you know, it's one thing to fight when you think that you might win. Nobody wants to be the last soldier getting killed in a war that you're going to lose. And I wonder in their head psychologically if they see there's no power here, it's already humiliation happened in the 12 Day War. How do they handle that going forward? I think it's a really intriguing part of this analysis of all the investments.

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Clay Travis (16:43)

Yeah.

Buck Sexton (16:43)

Trump is threatening strong action. So Iran is going to hang a protester, it seems here. And if this is done, this is going to be one of these things where we see, remember Trump, because of the Syrian gas activity, alleged gas activity, hit with a bunch of missiles. I'm starting to think, I'm just going to tell you, I'm starting to think Trump's going to pull the trigger on some kind of kinetic action here. I don't, I don't think he's going to sit by and let this just happen.

Clay Travis (17:21)

I think you're right. And I would also point out some of these Iranian leaders have actually been on video kind of taunting Trump. Oh, he's not going to do anything. Maduro doing dancing and basically taunting Trump, I think is a really, was a bad decision for him. I don't think you want to question whether Trump has the proverbial balls to actually do an attack in these ways. I think it's going to happen. I just really do.

Buck Sexton (17:53)

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Clay Travis (19:08)

Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sex show rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program. I'm in D.C. buck is in Miami. Buck, there's a couple of news stories that have come out. We were talking about what is going to happen with Iran. I just came from the White House. Passed, actually. I didn't know who these guys were, but as I was leaving the White House, the negotiators from Greenland were coming in. Reportedly, that's public now. So I was like, who are the, you know, like, anyway, so there are Denmark and Greenland negotiator supposedly meeting with Marco Rubio and J.D. vance today. Surrounding, like, again, I don't know.

Buck Sexton (19:47)

Can you imagine, I don't know how this, like, you should have been able to sneak into that room to see Trump be like, look, this is what it looks like. Giant Trump, Trump building. Like, you know, what is the capital of Greenland? I don't even know what the capital of Greenland is. I'm pretty good at this stuff.

Clay Travis (20:03)

I now that I think back. Capital. Yeah, it does. And I can't remember, of course I'm not going to be good at pronouncing it, but it's like, it's. I feel like it starts with an eye of some nook. Nook, okay, Nook. Yeah, I was wrong. Starts with an eye.

Buck Sexton (20:18)

But I'm just saying he's, he's like, nook gonna be the greatest place. We're gonna have casinos. We're gonna have beautiful, beautiful streets, wonderful things. Like, he's gonna, he's the best salesman out there. Could you imagine you're in the Greenland delegation and then you're going to sit down with like the Danish guys who are like, but we give you free health care. They're like, well, Trump's offering to stuff our coffers with like tons of money.

Clay Travis (20:39)

So. Well, this is my point on Greenland from the get go, everybody's like, first of all, Trump's decision to want to expand the sphere of influence, Manifest Destiny style, for those of you who are old school history people, is actually basically the foundation of the United States. But we haven't done it since we bought the Virgin Islands from Denmark. The craziest part about all the criticism of the Greenland decision is that we bought from the Danes, the Virgin Islands back in, I believe, 1917 for $25 million in gold. We tried to buy Greenland back in the past. And how can Denmark sell it if it's so unacceptable for us to be buying Greenland? How about the fact that Denmark is trying to sell it to make money on it? So that is potentially underway right now, a negotiation and opening bid for, for Greenland.

Buck Sexton (21:39)

Can I just say, like, let's just, let's just put all of our chips on the table here, friends, okay? This is, we're in the trust tree. Just you, me, Clay, considered the three of us, plus a few million of you on about 600 stations. So we're in the trust tree. It's just us talking. There are some parts of America, roughly speaking, I wouldn't, I wouldn't throw any states under the bus, unlike some people over here. With his New Mexico madness, I tossed.

Clay Travis (22:06)

New Mexico on the scrap heap. I was wrong. I've apologized. I now want to give up Minnesota so Minnesotans can be angry, Minneapolis in particular. Someone, maybe we can just sell Minneapolis along with Tim Walls and Jacob Fry and just have them vanish from the United States.

Buck Sexton (22:23)

Someone has not experienced the glories of muskie fishing season up in Minnesota. I'm just putting the musk a beautiful.

Clay Travis (22:31)

Well, that's northern Minnesota. I'm just carving out Minneapolis and all the crazy people there and selling it to Canada. They probably belong to Canada more than they belong to.

Buck Sexton (22:40)

So, like, I'm going to do the just list of U.S. territories, OK? Like list of U.S. territories. Take a look at this. We got Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, Mariana Islands and American Samoa. Let's just take one of these, for example. Ok? If American Samoa, if a foreign entity came along that we thought was like a good, they were good guys. So this doesn't include like China. But you know, if the UK for some reason said to us, and you know, we're, we're tight with the UK still, at least for the foreseeable, and they said, guys, we're going to give you a trillion dollars for American Samoa. Now, I know that's a crazy price tag, right? But just a trillion dollars for American Samoa. I'm not trying to be mean to our Samoan brothers and sisters, but I think we got to think about that offer long and hard. My point here is if the price was right for an American territory, remember, I'm not saying states territory, if it was in our strategic interest, why not, why would we not make that deal if it was for the better, for the betterment of the, of the American people overall? I mean, Guam, we probably have some listeners on the military base there. I don't see what the big deal is. If, if, if Japan came to us, they wanted it back in the day, as we know. If Japan came to us and they said, look, we'll give you X for Guam, you know, or maybe even a trade clay, maybe Japan would say, you know, we'll give you a, I don't know, Hokkaido or something like we'll give you. That's a big place. But you get what I'm saying, they gave you something. It's a deal. Why is this so crazy to people? This has been all of human history. These kinds of deals have been made.

Clay Travis (24:22)

That's, that's what I think is so important about this. We just stopped having this expansionist idea of American power and we very inwardly shrunk. And the idea that we would have a sphere of influence or that the Monroe Doctrine would apply or that manifest destiny would apply. Look, I don't want to be a Monday morning quarterback, but I kind of feel like we blew it with the Spanish American War. Why did we not keep Cuba? Why after Teddy Roosevelt charged the hill down in 1898, if I'm not mistaken, why did we give up Cuba? That created a huge, huge danger zone for a generation, for a century plus 150 years, 90 miles south of our, of our shores. We just hoped that Cuba would make rational decisions that would further the health and freedom and well being of everybody there. Instead, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis. You've got a buddy who was actually involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Like back in the day at the CIA.

Buck Sexton (25:30)

Mentor of mine who was at the Bay of Pigs, captured and ransomed back by America. Yeah, he's told me the stories over scotch and wow, crazy.

Clay Travis (25:40)

It's crazy. But I mean, again, this is where I look at Venezuela and I don't think it's outrageous to believe that. I was having dinner last night with one of my buddies who works in the Federal government. And we were talking about Trump has basically created a scenario where Venezuela, Cuba and Iran in a modern day version of the Berlin Wall coming down, these totalitarian governments could all crumble in response to the strength that Donald Trump showed in how he's handled these adversarial figures. And I don't know that many people have really started to think about how much that could change. I mean, for those of you who remember Buck, you remember this. We were talking about when the soldiers decide to stop shooting. The Berlin Wall came down so quickly when we were in that situation. It was suddenly, you could go from East Germany to West Germany and the soldiers wouldn't shoot you. And then you could sit on top of the wall and you could start to chip away with it. And it just happened almost instantaneously. But it wasn't by accident. It was a series of decisions that put in place that outcome which fundamentally changed the trajectory of the world. I think we are potentially sitting on the precipice of a modern day Berlin Wall movement when freedom could shine across the entirety of many of the most adversarial countries to United States interest in the world. And it would be because of Donald Trump's peace through strength mandate. I'm cautiously optimistic that we're about to have a transformative moment for the world.

Buck Sexton (27:20)

I hope you're right. If someone was asking me what I think is going to happen, unfortunately, I think the odds are still on the mullahs holding on.

Clay Travis (27:29)

You think they'll just keep killing people and this will be like the previous uprisings that we've seen happen in Iran in the past. We're slowly the stranglehold of the mullis comes back and people stop coming out in the streets.

Buck Sexton (27:39)

Based on what I have seen and heard so far, yes. Although I reserve the right to change my assessment tomorrow. Look, the big question mark here. And this is the big question. This is the big question mark. When I was meeting with the president of Taiwan as well with a possibility of a China invasion, the big question is, what's America going to do? Yeah, we have a difference maker capability here. We're the only country in the world in this regard that does so. So far to my knowledge, we have not decided. Trump has not decided as commander in chief to tip the scales here. I think if that continues, they will be successful in suppressing and the mass murder will happen and that's just the.

Clay Travis (28:25)

Way it will be.

Buck Sexton (28:27)

I think the X factor is if we wake up and Trump has decided enough is enough, then I think the mullahs might be toast. Then I think we might have a difference in Iran. And that. Now, that puts a lot on this Trump decision, obviously, but that's where I come down on this. If Trump does not take action, I think that they'll be successful in Iran in the suppression. If Trump takes action, then I think that actually the mullahs are done. I think it will happen.

Clay Travis (28:53)

Then the question obviously becomes, who's next? Is it the. Is it the former Shah, the family that was forced out in 1979? Is there a bridge there that potentially leads to it? Um, those would be the next questions. I think if he's going to act, Buck, I think he will act. What are we about? It's getting close to dark in Iran right now out there. So what do the streets of Iran look like tonight? How many more people show up? Because think about it. If we're correct, based on it, again, it's hard to get information 100% accurate out of Iran because they've shut down all communication. But it seems quite clear that thousands of people are dead. If you were in Iran, you would understand that if you're taking the streets at any point now, there is a decent likelihood that you could be shot yourself or your friends or family with you could be shot as well. In other words, thousands of people being killed in a country that has a population of 90 million. It is having a devastating impact in terms of the deaths that are occurring there right now. So my point on this is.

Buck Sexton (29:58)

Can I ask you a question about this?

Clay Travis (30:00)

Just real quick?

Buck Sexton (30:00)

First of all, Trump is supposed to speak about this, I think, pretty. Pretty shortly. I think we just got a notice from our team, Clay, that Trump is going to be talking about this. Am I right on that one, guys? Yeah. Trump is going to be addressing. So we may be hearing something live on air here real soon.

Clay Travis (30:15)

Again, it's getting dark. So that's why I was saying it's going to be a night attack. Right?

Buck Sexton (30:19)

It's a better time to be firing stuff. That much we do know. Nighttime is when you want to be, especially when you have night vision and all the. All the technological advantage that we have. I think, though, it's just. This is a bit of an aside, but I think it's worth mentioning, Clay, you know, all these people that you've heard, including some on the right, who are so upset about what Israel was fighting in, the Israeli fighting in Gaza, where are they on people being mowed down in the streets in their own country for protesting? They're not even fighting the Regime. They're not even shooting at the regime. They're just protesting. They're being mowed down with machine guns. Where are these people that care so much about human rights and cared about the innocent life in Gaza? They say nothing about this. I'm not seeing. And I know who is very loud about Gaza, including people on the right, which was surprising. I see nothing right now and I think people should take note of that 100%.

Clay Travis (31:18)

Buck. I'm in D.C. my alma mater, George Washington University campus quad was taken over because supposedly all of the Palestinians were being murdered by Israel. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Iran is killing its own people. Not one scintilla of protest anywhere. Not at ucla, not at Columbia, not at George Washington, not at all of these campuses that were taken over Columbia. It's, it's, I think, instructive of what we've said. Buck. When there's not a big bad boogeyman, white person that can, can be blamed. Israel is seen as white. Jewish people are seen as white. Even though that's not accurate, the white person is the bad guy. When that can't happen, nobody pays attention. We'll take some of your calls, by the way, 800-282-2882. We will monitor the President and what might be about to happen in Iran. You'll want to stay tuned. In the meantime, if you're coming up on the end of the year balance and you looked and you said, boy, we spent a lot more money in 2025 than we thought we wanted to. We spent more money on Christmas gifts than we wanted to. We spent more money on travel. Maybe the credit card debt is more substantial than you had hoped and your New Year's resolution was I want to save some money. PureTalk can help you do it. They can save you between 600 and $1,000. Same great cell service that you're already getting for a fraction of the cost with an American Patriot company that values you and your ideals. That's why they're on this program. My 17 year old, my 15 year old, they have Pure Talk phones. I rely on Pure Talk to stay in touch with them no matter where they are around the country. And when I'm traveling, I care even more is making phone calls as every parent does when you're out of town, making sure that you're able to stay in touch with your kids, send them text messages. I want you to join me on the Pure Talk family. Here's how you do it. It's super easy. You can save $600 or thousand dollars over the course of a year. That would make a big difference to you during the course of 2026 and in your family's budget. All you have to do is dial right now. £250 say clay and Buck. You can keep your same phone number. You can keep your same phone. £2 5 0, say Clay and Buck. In the meantime, you'll save 50% off your first month, up to $1,000 for a family over the course of a year. Why not try it now here in January? Make your New Year's resolution to save more money on your cell phone. £250, say Clay and Buck. That's £250, say Clay and Buck.

Buck Sexton (33:56)

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Buck Sexton (34:07)

Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We'll be diving back into all the news here, including, I think Trump's going to speak about Iran shortly, so we shall discuss. Doug in Massachusetts wants to weigh in here on the Greenland debate. What's up, Doug?

Caller (34:22)

Hey, how are you guys doing today? I had two, two, two questions is why haven't we ever gone after Bermuda in the same likeness? And Buck, maybe you can explain to me because I'm naive, what, how is Guantanamo Bay exist in Cuba with us? Like, I mean, I got it. There's military guys there. They're protecting it. How does it, how do we. Legally.

Buck Sexton (34:46)

So, so I'll dip into my history here and I might be, I'm pretty, I'm going to be pretty accurate, but I might need to clean up a little bit here. We essentially had, before the communist revolution, we had an agreement, a lease for that land. And the US position was, ok, we still have a lease for that land. Sorry, like the new, the new Castro Communists don't get to abrogate, you know, it's, it's like a lease with a landlord. Like, sorry, that's our apartment or that's our house now. And that's the way it is with Guantanamo Bay. And they obviously don't want to start some offensive operation against the United States. That would be very, very unwise. Bermuda. I mean, I don't, it's the, it's a, it's a UK territory. So, you know, we like the UK And I'm not really sure what the advantage would be. It's a nice vacation spot. I actually went there with Kerry a.

Clay Travis (35:36)

Few years ago, Clay, I think Bermuda, the answer is it isn't that strategically significant Cuba. I think that the base on Cuba goes all the way back to the Spanish American War. I think that we maintain that base, basically, as part of giving Cuba back their independence, we maintain the rights to it. We'll look that up to confirm. I wasn't expecting a Guantanamo Bay question off the top of the show here at the end of the hour.

Buck Sexton (36:01)

Yeah. The lee started in 1903.

Clay Travis (36:04)

Yeah. So I think that was a result of the Spanish American War, and we maintained it. But it would be great if we didn't have an adversarial country 90 miles from key West.

Buck Sexton (36:16)

Yeah, of course.

Clay Travis (36:17)

And just to remind people, Havana was Las Vegas. Before Las Vegas was Las Vegas, people traveled on speedboats from South Florida to Havana to get away from the United States and live it up. It was a beautiful place.

Buck Sexton (36:30)

Yeah. So, no, what. I mean, I was. I'm correct, Clay, insofar as we reaffirmed it in 1934. So, yeah, so we built the base in. Or we've had the base and control of it since 1903. But before, you know, with the Batista government, I mean, everybody was cool with us continuing to have this base. Castro comes along and he's like, get out of here. And we say, no, a deal's a deal. So that's why we still have a base. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.